Rosenthal: Reds interested in Lofton
Lofton is 40 and yet still hasn't really started declining too much yet. I'd be fine with him in center and leading off. He gets on base and I'm guessing still plays good defense. If he comes to Cincinnati the Reds really need to get rid of Freel or Hopper though.
Obviously I want to see Jay Bruce, but I really don't think Bruce staying in the minors until July this season would cost the Reds a shot at the playoffs or hurt his development, so I am not going to let that possibility bother me too much. - JD
From Rosenthal, its the lead on the mlb page:
Kenny Lofton played for Dusty Baker with the Giants in 2002 and the Cubs in '03, both times joining Baker's teams in July and then helping them advance deep into the postseason.Another reunion could be in the works.
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Weak.
by Geki on Feb 11, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too many old men
by Madville on Feb 11, 2008 5:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Please, no
by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2008 6:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh but when he did.
Other than delaying Bruce's arrival, I'm not sure Lofton would be a bad signing. He is in decline, but it hasn't been a steep downhill roll. Sure, he's going to hit a wall at some point and any team that signs him rolls the dice that it's not going to be this year, at age 41.
Would we have taken a 7-38-.296 .367 .414 23-30 SB line last season? Those were Lofton's numbers. The last three years he's gone:
.296 .367 .414
.303 .380 .438
.283 .344 .370
During that time he has been successful on 77 of 92 SBA.
And he brings veteran presence and is a winner. Just threw that in for grins.
by Thundering Turtle on Feb 11, 2008 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Veteran Presence....
by Lonesome George on Feb 11, 2008 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Veteran Presence = Happy Dusty
by Madville on Feb 11, 2008 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that it matters that much
The real reason for having a lead-off hitter that can get on base though is because he tends to bat in front of your best hitters, so you would want someone on bases when said hitters come to the plate. Right now, I don't believe that Jay Bruce would be the best person for that role.
by Slyde on Feb 11, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so, would your enlarged nerd brain...
by jacob brumfield on Feb 11, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
enlarged nerd brain?
And I'd be fine with a Lofton/Hopper platoon leading off, if the Reds didn't already have Freel. But since Freel is already guaranteed $7 million over the next two years, I don't see the need to spend more money on Lofton.
I still think the best offense though has Bruce in CF. And I'm not certain, but it may be the best defense too (assuming that Griffey and Dunn aren't going anywhere).
by Slyde on Feb 11, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks..
Is the 1.8 times per game all of MLB or just NL?
How many times is the number 8 hitter walked to get to a pitcher to make out number 3.. It happens all the time where the pitcher is the last at bat of the inning, bringing up what next inning? The LEAD OFF batter.
by snohio on Feb 11, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
by Slyde on Feb 11, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Key word being "did"
His stick is still good, but it's not like the Reds have a shortage of lefty bats.
by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
You gotta wonder if they are looking at Lofton, does that mean that Freel is either hurt still or on his way out the door? Seems like a player like Lofton would be awfully expensive to sign just as insurance.
by Slyde on Feb 11, 2008 9:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
In other news, Scott Williamson apparently has signed with the Giants.
by Thundering Turtle on Feb 11, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't like it
by justin0070000 on Feb 11, 2008 9:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Last year
If he is signed, maybe when Bruce is ready in June/July the Reds could find someone in need.
I think this doesn't happen if there are no trades.
by MixFMKyle on Feb 11, 2008 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is this normal?
I am just worried that since this is a contract year and Jocketty has been hired that Krivsky will crack under the pressure and start trading all our future chips away to win today. Competetion is a good thing, However how much is too much that you can't properly evaluate players during ST and let some key player get back in action and shake off their rust.
I think Lofton would be a logical fit in normal circumstances but right now we have a glut of outfielders and 1b that need to play and be evaluated.
by gocolts on Feb 11, 2008 11:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Krivsky has always been this way...
I like the strategy- sometimes it works (Keppinger), but other times it does not pan out and you trade them for cash or another minor leaguer. With a surplus of players at spring training you get competition, and throughout the year you get to play the guy who is swinging the hot bat(again Keppinger). I just see it as Krivsky's way of keeping a mid-market team competitive and relativly cheap.
Pull in a scrap heap and keep what shines.
by jacob brumfield on Feb 11, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
winning now
by benfcwallace on Feb 11, 2008 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
nobody ever said Krivksy was considering
It is more the Red's are interested in Blanton, but won't pull the trigger because they will not consider trading any of the four.
by justin0070000 on Feb 11, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like it,
by jamesp50014 on Feb 11, 2008 1:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind...
(They may have to play a fourth outfielder and no shortstop in order to cover all the ground out there, although I always thought Hopper was a bit overrated defensively.)
You could actually platoon Hopper and Lofton, and it would be pretty darned effective. Hopper struggles against righties and hits lefties well. Lofton does the reverse.
You would think that Freel, being a RH hitter, would also be a platoon partner for Lofton, but Freel developed a strange reverse platoon split last season (possibly due to the concussion?) and struggled against lefties. His prior two years had "normal" platoon splits.
by Paul Householder on Feb 11, 2008 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This would make sense BUT
by Madville on Feb 11, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That also points to Hopper
by Paul Householder on Feb 11, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
concussion?
Maybe it was Farney..
by snohio on Feb 11, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Concussion or Conclusion
by Madville on Feb 11, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With the combo of Jock and Dusty
by xjjeep90 on Feb 11, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's not old!
by Lonesome George on Feb 11, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And speaking of which.....
So look for David Bowie to be signed next, or maybe Simon LeBon. Good make-up is important.
by Lonesome George on Feb 11, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RE: "veteran guys with good makeup"
When I watch you come
I just want to run far away
You're not the kind of person
Around whom I want to stay
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 11, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's just a gift to the women of this world
like a good wine he gets better as he gets older
by Man Mountain on Feb 11, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Lofton just wants...
Cause, you know some day, man, you gotta stand up straight
Unless you're gonna fall
Then you're gonna die
And the straightest dude I ever knew
Was standing right for me, all the time
So I had to play baseball for the coach
And I wanted to play baseball for the coach
When you're all alone and lonely in your midnight hour
And you find that your soul, it has been up for sale
And you getting to think about, all the things you done
And you getting to hate just about everything
But remember the princess who lived on the hill
Who loved you even though she knew you was wrong
And right now she just might come shining through
and the glory of love, glory of love
Glory of love, just might come through
And all your two-bit friends have gone and ripped you off
They're talking behind your back saying, man
you are never going to be a human being
And you start thinking again
About all those things that you've done
And who it was and who it was
And all the different things you made every different scene
Ah, but remember that the city is a funny place
Something like a circus or a sewer
And just remember, different people have peculiar tastes...
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 11, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just throwing this one out there
The Reds could use an average starting pitcher, who will put up an ERA+ of about 100, and log around 200 innings.
Kyle Lohse last year had an ERA+ of 100 and logged 196.something innings. Kyle Lohse needs a job. He was supposed to be the top pitcher on the market, but nobody has bitten. I am glad that GM's aren't going to throw $10M+ for 5 years on a pitcher who may or may not be average.
Say Lohse doesn't hook on with a team, and is really desperate. Would a 3 year $18M contract be fair for the Reds. I think that is about Lohses value, and it gives him a multi year contract, and the Reds a cheap pitcher. But he also clogs up the rotation for the next 3 years, as better younger pitchers come up, and I think he may be more suited for the bullpen, (when their are 5 pitchers who can out-pitch him in the rotation) because i am guessing his fastball gains a few MPH, and his slider may have a little more bite, but we don't really want him to take a baseball bat to Dusty Baker's office.
What do you think?
by justin0070000 on Feb 11, 2008 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Last I heard
by Slyde on Feb 11, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too much!
by jamesp50014 on Feb 11, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I woul not necessarily be opposed to this..
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 11, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he prooven he doesn't suck
by justin0070000 on Feb 11, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would say the same thing
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
many the owners aren't as dumb as they look
by justin0070000 on Feb 11, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for over 100 years baseball owners
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dunno
by Man Mountain on Feb 11, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cowboy thinks
One of the all-time best on-air comments ever.
by xjjeep90 on Feb 11, 2008 6:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
is he an improvement over freel?
i'm inclined to say yes despite his age, but only if the reds intend to send bruce to AAA. i'd rather see bruce there on Opening Day and freel as a backup.
by Daedalus on Feb 11, 2008 7:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ya want veteran presence?
He's been to the playoffs 11 of the past 12 years - 7 different teams, including 3 different stints with the Indians! The guy's a proven winner!
by sidnancy on Feb 11, 2008 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lofton=playoffs
by RedsFan4Life on Feb 11, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also, this rock keeps tigers away
by Brendanukkah on Feb 11, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ooooohhhhhh!!!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's racist.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 11, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He should do a commercial with John Lynch
...what?
by Brendanukkah on Feb 11, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's racist
by jacob brumfield on Feb 11, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure
by Lakeman on Feb 12, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Reggie Sanders strategy
by Red Menace on Feb 12, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lofton has many fans
by lets play 2 on Feb 12, 2008 3:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
you like freel for his diversity?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2008 7:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
looks like the twins got Livan
only a 1 year deal for 5 mil plus incentives could get up to around 7. jesus christ, could wayner not do this? livan could easily be comparable to blanton, and only for a few dollars more. and it would save the prospects, which is where the real savings would be. dammit, this kinda upsets me. if we end up trading for blanton now im going to get really upset.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2008 4:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Blanton is 7 years younger. Last year he threw 26 more innings in 1 more start (230 in 34 to 204 in 33). His K/BB was 140/40 opposed to Livan's 90/78. His era was almost a full point lower (3.95 to 4.93) all while pitching in the American League. His WHIP was also considerably lower (1.217 to 1.595). I don't see how they're comparable in any way.
I do agree that in signing Livan we wouldn't have to give up prospects, but I'd be ok with giving up anyone but Bruce, Bailey, or Cueto to go after Blanton.
Another adavantage to signing Blanton, would be that we'd retain his rights for two more seasons following 08.
by Lakeman on Feb 13, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the prospects are everything
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Count me against Livan
by Red Menace on Feb 13, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is kind of my point
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2008 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, there's veteran and there's veteran
Anyway I hope to see this crop of Reds kids grow up with the club.
by Red Menace on Feb 13, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was listening to Marty's boy...
Thom also took a call from a fan who proposed that Kenny Lofton might be a great "clubhouse character guy" to add for this season. His response (and I'm paraphrasing here): "Eh, not so much."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2008 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
growing up in Cuba he might not
by justin0070000 on Feb 14, 2008 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
40 cents for ice cream???
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 14, 2008 7:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
by justin0070000 on Feb 14, 2008 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And for the record...
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 14, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like the bottom is about to fall out
The Red's need to fill 2 holes (or 3 if you don't believe Belisle is assured spot in the rotation), and they have Bailey, Cueto, Maloney, EV, Affedlt, and Gardner (very unlikely) to fill that hole. This isn't like two years ago when the Red's had a hole (before the Arroyo trade) with Gosling or Germano. The 5 pitchers they have vying for the last 3 starts, would make a better rotation than the 2003 opening day rotation. For those of you who don't remember Jimmy Haynes was the "ace", Ryan Dempster, Paul Wilson, Danny Graves, and Jimmy Anderson.
by justin0070000 on Feb 13, 2008 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brendan's Mom was abused as a child
by Madville on Feb 13, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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