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Rosenthal: Reds interested in Lofton

Lofton is 40 and yet still hasn't really started declining too much yet. I'd be fine with him in center and leading off. He gets on base and I'm guessing still plays good defense. If he comes to Cincinnati the Reds really need to get rid of Freel or Hopper though.

Obviously I want to see Jay Bruce, but I really don't think Bruce staying in the minors until July this season would cost the Reds a shot at the playoffs or hurt his development, so I am not going to let that possibility bother me too much. - JD


From Rosenthal, its the lead on the mlb page:

Kenny Lofton played for Dusty Baker with the Giants in 2002 and the Cubs in '03, both times joining Baker's teams in July and then helping them advance deep into the postseason.

Another reunion could be in the works.

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Weak.
Lofton's a better player than Hopper, but come on, he's 73 years old. We don't need that.

by Geki on Feb 11, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Too many old men
named Kenny in the outfield along with Adam the Swift doesn't bode well.
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by Madville on Feb 11, 2008 5:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Please, no
I like Lofton, but he doesn't have the range to cover CF any more.  And the Reds already have a ton of corner outfielder types.  
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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2008 6:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh but when he did.
I remember covering Reds-Indians games in Florida many springs ago and seeing how much ground Lofton covered was a thing of beauty. I was astonished at how quickly and gracefully Lofton got from CF to deep in a gap to track down a ball.

Other than delaying Bruce's arrival, I'm not sure Lofton would be a bad signing. He is in decline, but it hasn't been a steep downhill roll. Sure, he's going to hit a wall at some point and any team that signs him rolls the dice that it's not going to be this year, at age 41.

Would we have taken a 7-38-.296 .367 .414 23-30 SB line last season? Those were Lofton's numbers. The last three years he's gone:

.296 .367 .414
.303 .380 .438
.283 .344 .370

During that time he has been successful on 77 of 92 SBA.

And he brings veteran presence and is a winner. Just threw that in for grins.

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by Thundering Turtle on Feb 11, 2008 7:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Veteran Presence....
means never having to say you're sorry.
STOP TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS! YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW THEY WORK. -Geki

by Lonesome George on Feb 11, 2008 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Veteran Presence = Happy Dusty
There is no real lead off crisis. The lead off batter generally only leads off once in a game. Young Jay B--- will be just fine as a lead off guy.
"Men are ruled,this minute by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. G.K. Chesterton 1917

by Madville on Feb 11, 2008 9:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not that it matters that much
but a player batting first leads off an inning about 1.8 times per game.  The next closest is the 4th hitter who leads off an inning about once a game.

The real reason for having a lead-off hitter that can get on base though is because he tends to bat in front of your best hitters, so you would want someone on bases when said hitters come to the plate.  Right now, I don't believe that Jay Bruce would be the best person for that role.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Feb 11, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so, would your enlarged nerd brain...
...want lofton in the 1 hole?  Or someone already on the 40 man?
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by jacob brumfield on Feb 11, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

enlarged nerd brain?
My nerd brain is perfectly normal sized, thank you very much.

And I'd be fine with a Lofton/Hopper platoon leading off, if the Reds didn't already have Freel.  But since Freel is already guaranteed $7 million over the next two years, I don't see the need to spend more money on Lofton.  

I still think the best offense though has Bruce in CF.  And I'm not certain, but it may be the best defense too (assuming that Griffey and Dunn aren't going anywhere).

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Feb 11, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks..
I've always wanted to respond to these "lead-off hitters only come up once per game" posts, but I'm too lazy to look up the numbers..

Is the 1.8 times per game all of MLB or just NL?

How many times is the number 8 hitter walked to get to a pitcher to make out number 3.. It happens all the time where the pitcher is the last at bat of the inning, bringing up what next inning? The LEAD OFF batter.

-Wake me when it is aught eight.

by snohio on Feb 11, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
it's probably more because the leadoff hitter is guaranteed to leadoff at least one inning a game.  The rest of the hitters are spread between .77 and 1.0 leadoffs a game.  If you ignore the first inning, then the first batter only leads off an inning more than the 2nd and 3rd hitter.  I think those are numbers across all of MLB, but from my quick perusal of the Reds over the last 5 or 6 years, their ratios are in pretty much the same range.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Feb 11, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Key word being "did"
He was already noticeably slowing down when he played for the Yankees in 2004.  

His stick is still good, but it's not like the Reds have a shortage of lefty bats.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
Yes, he can get on base and would solve the apparent lead-off crisis, but he made $6 million last year.  Is he worth $3 or $4 million to the Reds in 2008?  I don't think so.  Especially not if Freel and Hopper are around.

You gotta wonder if they are looking at Lofton, does that mean that Freel is either hurt still or on his way out the door?  Seems like a player like Lofton would be awfully expensive to sign just as insurance.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Feb 11, 2008 9:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.
Hopper or Freel almost certainly would have to be dealt to make a Lofton signing reasonable. If the Reds are spending $3-4 million on a player, they might be more prudent to use the money on Alan Embree if he's part of a deal with Oakland.

In other news, Scott Williamson apparently has signed with the Giants.

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by Thundering Turtle on Feb 11, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't like it
he will just be blocking the way of Bruce, or even Dickerson.  The Red's have plenty of outfielders they don't really need to pay a 41 year old for his presence.
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by justin0070000 on Feb 11, 2008 9:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Last year
The Rangers were able to trade Lofton to the Indians at the deadline and snag a young catcher, Max Ramirez, who currently is ranked # 8 by John Sickels (Grade B) in what is a loaded Texas system.

If he is signed, maybe when Bruce is ready in June/July the Reds could find someone in need.  

I think this doesn't happen if there are no trades.

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by MixFMKyle on Feb 11, 2008 9:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Is this normal?
It just seems with all the recent signings, I am kind of worried that Krivsky is under a lot of pressure to win this year.  I do not ever remember the reds picking so many players off the scrap heap.  The reds literally can fill an extra AAAA team.  

I am just worried that since this is a contract year and Jocketty has been hired that Krivsky will crack under the pressure and start trading all our future chips away to win today.  Competetion is a good thing, However how much is too much that you can't properly evaluate players during ST and let some key player get back in action and shake off their rust.

I think Lofton would be a logical fit in normal circumstances but right now we have a glut of outfielders and 1b that need to play and be evaluated.

by gocolts on Feb 11, 2008 11:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Krivsky has always been this way...
...off the top of my head he brought in C. Ross, Bellhorn, and Bubba last year when we clearly didn't need them.  
I like the strategy- sometimes it works (Keppinger), but other times it does not pan out and you trade them for cash or another minor leaguer.  With a surplus of players at spring training you get competition, and throughout the year you get to play the guy who is swinging the hot bat(again Keppinger).  I just see it as Krivsky's way of keeping a mid-market team competitive and relativly cheap.  
Pull in a scrap heap and keep what shines.
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by jacob brumfield on Feb 11, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

winning now
I think Krivsky really wants to win now. Otherwise he wouldnt me considering trading Votto, Bailey, or Ceuto for Blanton. I don't really see the logic in Lofton either. I wonder if Dusty is pushing for that move.
Go Reds!

by benfcwallace on Feb 11, 2008 11:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

nobody ever said Krivksy was considering
trading the players in question.

It is more the Red's are interested in Blanton, but won't pull the trigger because they will not consider trading any of the four.

The Dusty path to the World Series!

by justin0070000 on Feb 11, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like it,
if this portends a trade of Freel or Hopper. Because I like those guys, but I'd be happy to say goodbye to one if it means Blanton. It also indicates the package the A's want for Blanton is becoming reasonable. And anyway, Lofton showed he can hit and he can help a team in the hunt. He's not just a "presence." He could help in the short-term.  

by jamesp50014 on Feb 11, 2008 1:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind...
As long as the deal is only for one year and not for some ridiculous salary.  It sure beats trading someone worthwhile (any of the second-tier B- or better prospects) to get a CF.  I would view Lofton actually as a platoon partner for either Freel or Hopper, since he had a Castro-esque .545 OPS against lefties last year.

(They may have to play a fourth outfielder and no shortstop in order to cover all the ground out there, although I always thought Hopper was a bit overrated defensively.)

You could actually platoon Hopper and Lofton, and it would be pretty darned effective.  Hopper struggles against righties and hits lefties well.  Lofton does the reverse.

You would think that Freel, being a RH hitter, would also be a platoon partner for Lofton, but Freel developed a strange reverse platoon split last season (possibly due to the concussion?) and struggled against lefties.  His prior two years had "normal" platoon splits.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Feb 11, 2008 1:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This would make sense BUT
Freel will most likely get hurt and be out at least a couple of times/miss maybe a month of the season. Then what do you do ? Might be better to find a decent RH hitter that can be called up from AAA if you're thinking platoon.  Or better yet just put Lenny Jay B-------- in the line and give him a chance to adjust.
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by Madville on Feb 11, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That also points to Hopper
As the RH part of the platoon with Lofton, although with Freel you get the flexibility to play him at 3B and 2B also.
At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Feb 11, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

concussion?
but Freel developed a strange reverse platoon split last season (possibly due to the concussion?)

Maybe it was Farney..

-Wake me when it is aught eight.

by snohio on Feb 11, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Concussion or Conclusion
"Men are ruled,this minute by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. G.K. Chesterton 1917

by Madville on Feb 11, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

With the combo of Jock and Dusty
this team could get old real fast.

by xjjeep90 on Feb 11, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's not old!
That's "veteran presence".  Just keep reminding yourself of that.
STOP TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS! YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW THEY WORK. -Geki

by Lonesome George on Feb 11, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And speaking of which.....
"I want to have competition and bring in veteran guys with good makeup," Krivsky said.

So look for David Bowie to be signed next, or maybe Simon LeBon. Good make-up is important.

STOP TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS! YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW THEY WORK. -Geki

by Lonesome George on Feb 11, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RE: "veteran guys with good makeup"

When I watch you come
I just want to run far away
You're not the kind of person
Around whom I want to stay

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 11, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's just a gift to the women of this world
responsibility sits so high on his shoulders
like a good wine he gets better as he gets older
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by Man Mountain on Feb 11, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Lofton just wants...
...to play baseball for the coach

Cause, you know some day, man, you gotta stand up straight
Unless you're gonna fall
Then you're gonna die
And the straightest dude I ever knew
Was standing right for me, all the time
So I had to play baseball for the coach
And I wanted to play baseball for the coach
When you're all alone and lonely in your midnight hour
And you find that your soul, it has been up for sale

And you getting to think about, all the things you done
And you getting to hate just about everything

But remember the princess who lived on the hill
Who loved you even though she knew you was wrong
And right now she just might come shining through
and the glory of love, glory of love
Glory of love, just might come through

And all your two-bit friends have gone and ripped you off
They're talking behind your back saying, man
you are never going to be a human being
And you start thinking again
About all those things that you've done
And who it was and who it was
And all the different things you made every different scene

Ah, but remember that the city is a funny place
Something like a circus or a sewer
And just remember, different people have peculiar tastes...

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 11, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just throwing this one out there
I am not necessarily endorsing it, just an idea, I want to see what others think, I am guessing it would blow up in the Red's face.

The Reds could use an average starting pitcher, who will put up an ERA+ of about 100, and log around 200 innings.  

Kyle Lohse last year had an ERA+ of 100 and logged 196.something innings.  Kyle Lohse needs a job.  He was supposed to be the top pitcher on the market, but nobody has bitten.  I am glad that GM's aren't going to throw $10M+ for 5 years on a pitcher who may or may not be average.

Say Lohse doesn't hook on with a team, and is really desperate.  Would a 3 year $18M contract be fair for the Reds.  I think that is about Lohses value, and it gives him a multi year contract, and the Reds a cheap pitcher.  But he also clogs up the rotation for the next 3 years, as better younger pitchers come up, and I think he may be more suited for the bullpen, (when their are 5 pitchers who can out-pitch him in the rotation) because i am guessing his fastball gains a few MPH, and his slider may have a little more bite, but we don't really want him to take a baseball bat to Dusty Baker's office.  

What do you think?

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by justin0070000 on Feb 11, 2008 4:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Last I heard
Lohse was going the Jeff Weaver route and looking to take a 1-year deal to prove himself in hopes that he can get the big contract next year.  I'd give him a 1-year deal (say, $8-10 million), just as a safety move.  Maybe they can trade him again if the team falls short of our hopes.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Feb 11, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Too much!
I don't see the Reds giving Lohse even %8 million for one season. If Lohse goes the one-year route, it will have to be for something less, I think, to entice a contending team to give him a shot. Perhaps $5 million? Is that a risk worth taking?

by jamesp50014 on Feb 11, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I woul not necessarily be opposed to this..
..but how likely is it that a pitcher would choose GAB to prove himself, especially after having just spent parts of the past two seasons pitching there and not exactly proving anything?  (Or at least not proving whatever Boras Theorem that he's supposed to be proving.)
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 11, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he prooven he doesn't suck
as bad as he did for the Twins.  He has proved he can be considered a 4th starter.  He also will never reach his ceiling.  With his low-mid 90's fastball, and nice slider and change up he should have an ERA in the high 3's or low 4's consistently.  I also think with his 10 cent head, if he loses any of his stuff he will be rocked, I don't think he is smart enough to make up for it.
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by justin0070000 on Feb 11, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i would say the same thing
another year of lohse at 8-10 would be a smart move.  i think he's gonna hold out for that spring training injury to get a more profitable deal though.  with all these free agents still on the market (i mean, come on, gil meche got 5 fucking years last year) does anyone else get the feeling that something foul is afoot?
is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

for over 100 years baseball owners
have been idiots.  what happened in the last 12 months to change that?
is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dunno
But he was a great Poirot
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by Man Mountain on Feb 11, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cowboy thinks
Loshe pitches with his hand around his throat.

One of the all-time best on-air comments ever.

by xjjeep90 on Feb 11, 2008 6:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

is he an improvement over freel?
that is the question, i think.

i'm inclined to say yes despite his age, but only if the reds intend to send bruce to AAA.  i'd rather see bruce there on Opening Day and freel as a backup.

by Daedalus on Feb 11, 2008 7:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ya want veteran presence?
Kenny Lofton has it.

He's been to the playoffs 11 of the past 12 years - 7 different teams, including 3 different stints with the Indians!  The guy's a proven winner!

just....wow.

by sidnancy on Feb 11, 2008 7:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lofton=playoffs
kenny lofton oblivisly knows how to make the postseason and he will get the reds into the playoffs if they sign him because he is still at 40 on of the fastest players in the game and knows how to get on base and is one of the best clubhouse people in the game. so just sign lofton for this year and let jay bruce develop for seasoning in the minors because he really only played in AAA for a couple of weeks and could use a half season in the minors and then allow the reds to use him in a platoon job with all three outfield spots with giving griffey some rest down the strecth

by RedsFan4Life on Feb 11, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ooooohhhhhh!!!
gimme!!  i dont like tigers.
is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's racist.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 11, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's racist
white guys don't serve dinner
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by jacob brumfield on Feb 11, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not so sure
I agree that Lofton could help us out, and he still has something to offer, but I'm not so sure that he's a great clubhouse guy.  At a glance, he's played for 11 teams in 19 years. This includes 9 different teams in the past 5 seasons. Usually a guy of his skill level wouldn't bounce around that much if he was truly a great clubhouse guy.  Maybe I'm off base.  Can someone give some reasons I could be wrong?
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by Lakeman on Feb 12, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Reggie Sanders strategy
As he ages he keeps signing a one or two year contract. Then he's easily tradable to contenders.

by Red Menace on Feb 12, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lofton has many fans
I am included, but I feel this would be overkill with the present glutany of outfielders.  I like Freel for his diversity as much as his hustle(does a mean salsa too).  Hopper is a good leadoff platoon player.  Unless Lofton has learned to pitch I don't see this helping.  
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by lets play 2 on Feb 12, 2008 3:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

you like freel for his diversity?
and his salsa?  that's racist.
is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2008 7:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

looks like the twins got Livan
for what looks like a very club-friendly deal.  

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080212&content_id=2371178&vkey=spt2008 news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

only a 1 year deal for 5 mil plus incentives could get up to around 7.  jesus christ, could wayner not do this?  livan could easily be comparable to blanton, and only for a few dollars more.  and it would save the prospects, which is where the real savings would be.  dammit, this kinda upsets me.  if we end up trading for blanton now im going to get really upset.

is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2008 4:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I disagree
I think Blanton is considerably better than Livan, and if Livan has a good year, he would cost almost twice as much, not a few dollars more.

Blanton is 7 years younger.  Last year he threw 26 more innings in 1 more start (230 in 34 to 204 in 33).  His K/BB was 140/40 opposed to Livan's 90/78.  His era was almost a full point lower (3.95 to 4.93) all while pitching in the American League.  His WHIP was also considerably lower (1.217 to 1.595).  I don't see how they're comparable in any way.  

I do agree that in signing Livan we wouldn't have to give up prospects, but I'd be ok with giving up anyone but Bruce, Bailey, or Cueto to go after Blanton.  

Another adavantage to signing Blanton, would be that we'd retain his rights for two more seasons following 08.  

Bruce Bonser? Boone Bonser? Boot Bonser?BOOSE BONZER?

by Lakeman on Feb 13, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the prospects are everything
with livan, we would have a serviceable innings-eating back of the rotation arm for one year.  which is pretty much all we need right now.  if we go for blanton at the proposed price (bailey/cueto and votto is what fay said.  i can see the price dropping, but not to the level where you or i would be ok with it) he becomes waaaay more expensive than just a few million bucks.  the loss of 12 combined years of two above mentioned makes it damn ridiculous.  i would rather sign a stop-gap than trade for one.
is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Count me against Livan
He's had a nice career, but I think he's done. Zips has him putting up a 5.55 ERA next year. I think we have plenty of options that can equal his production for free.

by Red Menace on Feb 13, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is kind of my point
if we need a veteran starter (which i dont think we do) going with livan would be better than trading for blanton.  i dont want either, but i assume wayner wants something.
is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2008 6:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, there's veteran and there's veteran
Blanton's still in his arb years. Livan remembers when nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them ("Give me 5 bees for a quarter", he'd say).

Anyway I hope to see this crop of Reds kids grow up with the club.

by Red Menace on Feb 13, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was listening to Marty's boy...
...on the radio tonight.  He was saying the same thing.  (He prefaced his comments by saying that he is speaking as someone who just dropped in at this late point in the Reds' streak of losing seasons so he could understand how a more frustrated fan might be willing to trade some young talent for a Blanton-esque addition.)

Thom also took a call from a fan who proposed that Kenny Lofton might be a great "clubhouse character guy" to add for this season.  His response (and I'm paraphrasing here): "Eh, not so much."

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2008 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

growing up in Cuba he might not
He may remember life before the "Special Period" though when the ice cream park in Havana served 48 flavors of ice cream, for about 2 cents a scope.  Now the same ice cream park only sells two or maybe three flavors a day for about 10 pasesos, which equals approximately 40 cents.
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by justin0070000 on Feb 14, 2008 2:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

40 cents for ice cream???
communist bastards...those patriots are graeters sell it for 3 times as much!
is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 14, 2008 7:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually
it was probably about 5 paseoso, which is about 20 cents.
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by justin0070000 on Feb 14, 2008 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And for the record...
..I could be wrong but I think that $1.20 might leave your sugar cone hollow and empty at Graeter's these days.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 14, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like the bottom is about to fall out
for Livan.  His arm is obviously cooked.  Not only was he abused in Washington/Montreal, he was abused in Cuba long before he came to America.  He was Castro's favorite pitcher, and he was expected to pitch in every big game, he even throw 2 complete games on back to back days.  He may be 33 (he may be older too, but Cuba keeps decent records) but the wear and tear on his arm is equal to that of a 42 year old.

The Red's need to fill 2 holes (or 3 if you don't believe Belisle is assured spot in the rotation), and they have Bailey, Cueto, Maloney, EV, Affedlt, and Gardner (very unlikely) to fill that hole.  This isn't like two years ago when the Red's had a hole (before the Arroyo trade) with Gosling or Germano.  The 5 pitchers they have vying for the last 3 starts, would make a better rotation than the 2003 opening day rotation.  For those of you who don't remember Jimmy Haynes was the "ace", Ryan Dempster, Paul Wilson, Danny Graves, and Jimmy Anderson.  

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by justin0070000 on Feb 13, 2008 6:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brendan's Mom was abused as a child
She can still pitch AND catch.
"Men are ruled,this minute by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. G.K. Chesterton 1917

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