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If Bronson Only Wrote His Own Material..

I saw this on the old Ballbug today.

It looks like Bronson may still be sentimental for Boston. Apparently, with Theo Epstein in the crowd, Bronson changed the lyrics to one of his many cover songs to:

"I think I need to get back to Boston... I need to get out of Cincinnati, I think I need the Olde Towne to fill my heart again."

There's also a ridiculous video on the site...

I'm not really buying all that hype, being that Bronson recently signed a contract extension with the Reds. Although 2007 wasn't a great year for Bronson, he did show flashes of pitching brilliance and I think he'll return to being a solid #2 behind Harang. I've always really liked Bronson despite the antics. I've been a huge Jamie Moyer fan for years and Bronson has nastier, but comparable, stuff to Moyer.

So, I'd like to know people's thoughts on Bronson. Will he rebound in 2008? Where does he fit into the Reds future? Are we all tired of his alt. rock shenanigans? Would he even crack Boston's starting rotation?

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Reevaluating what #2 means
I understand what you are saying with Arroyo having a drop off last year, but I thought it was worth pointing out that only 2 teams had more than 2 pitchers that qualified for the ERA title and matched Arroyo's ERA+ of 110 (bonus points for the first to name both teams).  Only 14 others (including the Reds) had at least 2 qualifying pitchers with an ERA+ of 110.  That means 14 teams failed to have more than 1 such pitcher, including the Red Sox, who only had Beckett.  What I'm saying is that Arroyo was a solid #2 last year.  It'd be awesome if he could get back to his damn near ace level from 2006, but I'll take 2007 out of Bronson every year.

As for his love of Boston, I think social Bronson misses Boston.  He clearly has a love for the city and has some great memories there.  But I've never seen him give anything but maximum effort for the Reds when he's pitching.  He can pine for Boston all he wants, but he chose to extend his contract with the Reds, so I think he's committed to pitching well for them.  Besides, once the Reds start winning again, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to be with the team.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 1:27 PM EST   0 recs

I'll guess San Diego and LAD
Can you say park effects?

by Red Menace on Jan 9, 2008 2:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Park Effects
And no.  We're talking ERA+.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 3:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

mraz!
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jan 9, 2008 3:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

i guess the cubs and angels
based on no information provided via tables on this page.
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jan 9, 2008 3:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Jered Weaver
missed qualifying for the ERA title by 1 inning.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 3:30 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

son of a dick
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jan 9, 2008 3:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I think you mean brother of a dick
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 3:37 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

i actually like jeff weaver
see my first comment. No don't.
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jan 9, 2008 3:50 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

wow
you really had a hard on for weaver.
The Dusty path to the World Series!

by justin0070000 on Jan 11, 2008 8:55 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

You really...
...followed the Yankees around the country?  o_O
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 11, 2008 5:51 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

my dad's devoted
it's the reason i hate them :)
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jan 11, 2008 5:59 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

But followed around the country?
Like Deadheads following the Grateful Dead?  Didn't he have a job?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 11, 2008 6:35 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, his job was..
..selling grilled cheese sandwiches in the parking lot.

Like Deadheads following the Grateful Dead.

"Breakfast, broke it fast. She was in my English class. Asked for notes, rocked my boat. Jenifa..."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 11, 2008 6:51 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

he owns his owwn business
so during the summer he would take off three weeks or so and we'd go around to a bunch of parks to see the fucking yankees. david cone once hit me in the face with a ball.
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jan 11, 2008 6:53 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Wow
Your dad sounds really cool!

I have a David Cone jersey.  

Did they give you anything when you got hit?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 11, 2008 7:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Graeme Lloyd
(remember him?) went into the bullpen and got me another ball. It was signed by Lloyd, Ramiro Mendoza, Tony Cloninger and... Mariano Rivera.

Graeme Lloyd was the absolute coolest guy to be around. he used to ham it up for the fans around the bullpen and would talk to anybody.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jan 11, 2008 7:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Dude...
..I think BubbaFan is hitting on your dad.
"Breakfast, broke it fast. She was in my English class. Asked for notes, rocked my boat. Jenifa..."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 11, 2008 7:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Do you think...
...he'll adopt me?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 11, 2008 8:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Aw...
How sweet.  
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 11, 2008 8:12 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Cone's wayward balls
seem to get him in trouble in New York.

by ken on Jan 12, 2008 11:01 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

yawn
im tired of slyde always being so right about damn near everything.

this is just one more reason why the reds starting rotation, as it stands, is better than league average, and therefore just fine.  we dont need no Bedard.

is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 12, 2008 3:14 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

#2 pitchers
I have done some research on this as have others.

What I did for the 2007 season was take every NL pitcher with 100 innings pitched. There were 77 guys. Those players were then listed by lowest ERA to highest ERA and broken down into groups of 16-16-16-16-13 to represent the 1-5 spots in each teams rotation. The numbers played out to look like this:

Now let me note that none of those numbers have been park adjusted and being that the Reds play in a very favorable park for hitters, the Reds numbers will greatly differ. So what I did was attempt to adjust for pitching in GABP. To do so, I just took the IP, split them right down the middle and adjusted one half of the ERA to the park factor for runs in GABP of 1.095 and then added the numbers back together and the ERA's are now roughly park adjusted for pitchers in GABP. Here is what just the ERA looks like for being park adjusted in GABP:
#1 - 3.47
#2 - 4.15
#3 - 4.74
#4 - 5.21
#5 - 5.89

Now, lets remember again that ERA is a very rough stat in what a pitcher actually controls. Another stat that we could use is FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching ERA. It is assuming that all pitchers have the same defense behind them and they all turn outs at the same rate on balls in play). Jay over at recondite baseball did the legwork on this one and you can see the entire article by going here:

http://reconditebaseball.blogspot.com/2007/10/nl-rotations-by-fip-for-2007.html

Now what he came to was that the NL average rotation by FIP would look like this:

 #1     #2     #3     #4     #5
3.69    4.25    4.69    4.98    5.83

Between Harang, Arroyo and Belisle the Reds had the 1-2-3 covered with a little room to spare.

Just some food for thought on that topic.

As for Bronson, this certainly doesn't put me in a situation where I like him a whole lot outside of a pitcher and this isn't the first time we have been down this road with him before.

www.redsminorleagues.com

by dougdirt on Jan 9, 2008 1:48 PM EST   0 recs

Good Points!
Thanks for the research. That's why I enjoy RR so much. I see what both of you are saying, that Bronson got the job done in 2007, despite not reaching his 2006 numbers. Dougdirt, it is interesting that Belisle compares as well as he does to other #3's. I'm still not convinced that we're not biding our time with Belisle in the rotation until something better comes along. I do wonder about Belisle's ceiling, and whether he will show improvement. I've never really thought of him as a solid #3, but I suppose I may be wrong about that..

by RiverfrontDave on Jan 9, 2008 2:38 PM EST   0 recs

Of course Belizzlw has an upside.
The question is if the Reds have the coaching to help him find it. The kid has throws good stuff. He could emerge as a strong pitcher. I would definately give him at least another year.
"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by Madville on Jan 11, 2008 10:14 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I would
Like to see the averages per rotation spot for the teams that made the playoffs or were at least in the top half of each league. I feel that would tell us a little more about where we have to get to.
I like Bronson as a 2/3 guy on an NL playoff team however we need at least one guy that is equal his value to make some postseason play.

by kennythered on Jan 9, 2008 2:49 PM EST   0 recs

I'm betting they were held down this year
New York sucked (the other New York really sucked, but they fell just short). Colorado and Arizona weren't too hot and had serious park factors. Philly wasn't exactly built on an awesome rotation...

by Red Menace on Jan 9, 2008 2:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Here's a try
These are the top 4 starters from the playoff teams, ordered by ERA+.

BOS
----
Pitcher                 IP      ERA    ERA+
Josh Beckett         200.2     3.27     145
Curt Schilling       151.0     3.87     122
Daisuke Matsuzaka    204.2     4.40     108
Tim Wakefield        189.0     4.76     100

NYY
----
Pitcher                 IP      ERA    ERA+
Chien-Ming Wang      199.1     3.70     121
Andy Pettitte        215.1     4.05     110
Roger Clemens         99.0     4.18     107
Mike Mussina         152.0     5.15      87

CLE
----
Pitcher                 IP      ERA    ERA+
Fausto Carmona       215.0     3.06     151
C.C. Sabathia        241.0     3.21     143
Jake Westbrook       152.0     4.32     107
Paul Byrd            192.1     4.59     100

LAA
----
Pitcher                 IP      ERA    ERA+
John Lackey          224.0     3.01     151
Kelvim Escobar       195.2     3.40     134
Jered Weaver         161.0     3.91     117
Ervin Santana        150.0     5.76      79

PHI
----
Pitcher                 IP      ERA    ERA+
Cole Hamels          183.1     3.39     136
Kyle Kendrick        121.0     3.87     119
Jamie Moyer          199.1     5.01      92
Adam Eaton           161.2     6.29      73

CHC
----
Pitcher                 IP      ERA    ERA+
Ted Lilly            207.0     3.83     122
Rich Hill            195.0     3.92     119
Carlos Zambrano      216.1     3.95     118
Jason Marquis        191.2     4.60     101

ARI
----
Pitcher                 IP      ERA    ERA+
Brandon Webb         236.1     3.01     156
Doug Davis           192.2     4.25     111
Micah Owings         152.2     4.30     109
Livan Hernandez      204.1     4.93      95

COL
----
Pitcher                 IP      ERA    ERA+
Aaron Cook           166.0     4.12     116
Jeff Francis         215.1     4.22     114
Jason Hirsh          112.1     4.81     100
Josh Fogg            165.2     4.94      97

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 3:26 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yep
A division winner and a sucky-ass team.  Pitching wins championships...or not.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 3:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Interesting point, I hope
Those teams were the only two in MLB to have four starters make 30 starts last year. Without really looking, I'd guess a fair number of teams don't have that luxury with their top two starters, much less with those guys pitching well. Even if it's only a few from each spot, those starts by your #6 and beyond starters are where the real damage occurs.

by TheJay on Jan 9, 2008 5:02 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yep
Most teams had 2 guys make 30 starts, but only 13 had 3 such pitchers.  That leaves a lot of openings for others.  The fewest number of different starting pitchers used last season was 7, by the Mariners, but two-thirds of the league used 10 or more different starters.  Having depth is just as important as having a strong front of the rotation.    If you can manage to fill those extra starts with some decent pitchers, you'll be much better off.

And welcome to the site.  I'm assuming you are TheJay from Brew Crew Ball.  Don't go stealing any of my B-R thunder.  I'm the obscure stat nerd around these parts. :)

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 5:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

you're familiar with all the other slydes
at the other sbn blogs? GET OUT OF YOUR BASEMENT NERD!!!

also, this may not be news to some others, but I just got The Best American Sports Writing 2007, and one of the entries is a blog post from U.S.S. Mariner. Even if it was just a token blog mention (I think it's the first blog post picked for the publication), I still find it encouraging.

Kind of a nice reminder, I think, that you don't have to be of a privileged profession to entertain, inform or get noticed.

Here's the piece: Bugs Bunny, greatest banned player ever

I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before... the post was written almost two years ago and the book came out in October.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jan 9, 2008 5:39 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

USS Mariner
Didn't one of their authors release a book this past year?  Maybe that legitimized his writing?  Besides, USS Mariner is generally regarded as one of the best written baseball blogs.  That's why I don't read it much.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 7:50 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

yep
the one and only Derek Zumsteg. From what I can tell he's the only administrator over there, and, of course, he wrote the bugs bunny post.
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jan 9, 2008 7:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I think David Cameron is also an author
and I'd assume and admin.
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 8:16 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

there is indeed an author
named dave. it could be cameron, could be letterman... i don't think we'll ever know for sure.
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jan 9, 2008 8:41 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Dave's not home.
"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by Madville on Jan 12, 2008 2:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yes, it's very freeing

oh, you said trans-generation.  oops.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 13, 2008 4:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Thanks slyde
I've always wanted to have a picture of Brendan's mom. Quite a looker...
"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by Madville on Jan 15, 2008 11:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I didnt know
the english conservative party leader was a baseball fan.  kudos to him for cultural expansiveness and govermental fiscal responsibility.

is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 9, 2008 8:54 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

USS Mariner cred
They also wrote the famous open letter to King Felix this past year that prompted him to mix up his pitches more in earlier innings.  I can't remember how he got a hold of it, but I think someone who knew someone gave it to the pitching coach.  

by ken on Jan 10, 2008 9:27 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

You are correct
But don't worry about me moving in on your territory. I just saw your comment and couldn't resist. On the subject of bizarre rotation quirks, though, the Devil Rays used only eight starting pitchers last year but they all had ten or more starts. That just strikes me as weird - you'd think someone would have made a spot start somewhere, especially with how bad some of their pitchers were.

by TheJay on Jan 9, 2008 6:04 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

It just hit me
that you also run Recondite baseball as well.  Not sure why I picked Brew Crew Ball as your home base.  I guess I just thought of it because of an outside joke about "other site's Slydes" (i.e. obscure stat discoverers) that we had going a while ago.  

Anyway, that's a good blog you got there.  Just wanted to say so.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 7:47 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

And for good measure
Here are the Reds:

Pitcher                 IP      ERA    ERA+
Aaron Harang         231.2     3.73     125
Bronson Arroyo       210.2     4.23     110
Kyle Lohse           131.2     4.58     102
Matt Belisle         177.2     5.32      88
I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 3:29 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

IMHO, or IMAO...
what really killed Belisle's and Arroyo's ERA was the relief pitching that followed them and let all the baserunners in that they inherited.  It may be just anecdotal memory on my part, but it seemed those two in particular were more victimized by bad relief than Lohse and Harang.

I see Matt pitching 20-30 more innings in 2008, and his ERA dropping 0.5 to 0.7 runs per 9 innings.

IF the relief is better, I can see a big improvement in wins and losseds for the Reds.  Just on stuff (and with decent relief coming in) I can see Volquez and Bailey being at least in the 4.5 ERA range (and maybe better, who knows?).

Yogi Berra said: "predictions are tough, especially when they are about the future".

by Lonesome George on Jan 9, 2008 4:23 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

From Baseball Prospectus
This is the number of runners a starter left on base when removed from a game mid-inning, the number of those runners that scored, and "The number of additional runs charged to the starting pitcher that his bullpen allowed to score after he left the game, compared to an average bullpen. Negative Pen Support means the bullpen prevented more runs from scoring than an average pen (i.e. the pitcher's ERA looks better than it should because of good bullpen support)."


Pitcher    BEQ RNR   BEQ R   Support
Harang        10       4      1.210
Arroyo        18       6     -0.474
Belisle       13       6      0.542
Lohse         13       3     -0.491

Surprisingly, Bronson actually got more help from the bullpen than the average pitcher.  And Harang was actually hurt more than any of the other Reds starters, at least from an ERA perspective.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 4:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well duh!
That shure makes me look stoopid!

Oh well, I could always claim old age and failing memory.

Yogi Berra said: "predictions are tough, especially when they are about the future".

by Lonesome George on Jan 9, 2008 8:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

And
I meant to say that I also think that Belisle will put up better numbers next season too, but the biggest thing he has to do is pitch better with men on base.

Empty   .284/.323/.424/.748
Men On .324/.369/.566/.935
RISP     .342/.392/.640/1.031

None of those numbers are great, but at least with the bases empty he has an average OPS (OPS+ of 101).

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Jan 9, 2008 4:51 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I noticed this last season too
Belisle seemed totally lost when pitching in the slide-step.  At first I thought it was baserunners getting in his head, but the more I watched I noticed in the slide his pitches flatten out and his velocity drops(more than others in the slide), he tries to overcompensate for this and loses command of the strike zone.  If the flaw was clear to me, hopefully it was clear to the Reds/Belisle and Matt works it out this spring.  Fixing the problem could lead to Belisle being solid through next season.

by jacob brumfield on Jan 10, 2008 10:03 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Dear Bronson,
Not sure if you read RR or not, but in case you do, I have a couple of things to share with you. First of all, stop fucking singing. You suck harder than a ten dollar crack whore . You are so bad that I heard Michael Jackson caught a listen to one of your miserable cover songs and promptly swore off little boys. A MLB pitcher can get laid without mangling an already dreadful song in front of a room full of idiots. Just got to a bar and approach some nasty cooze and say, "Hi, I'm Bronson. I work ever fifth day for half a year and make millions..." And guess what- panty puddles! Oh, you would save so many of us such dread.  And, If you love Boston so much, retire, move back there and open up a chowder house. But, in the meantime, please keep the ball down in the strike zone, and wear a helmet with one ear flap like every other non-switch hitter. And for the love of God, stop singing!
                                     Love, Pops

P.S. I can offer you a free tutorial of good listening habits for no charge.

Where have you gone Alex Trevino?

by Pops Daniels on Jan 9, 2008 4:15 PM EST   0 recs

a dissenting opinion
*went to boston for the first time this summer.  uh, no comparison.  zero.  cincy isnt even on the radar.  

*im all for starting pitchers doing benefit concerts for good causes, especially if most of the music is cover grunge.  

*who is the coolest athlete in Cincinnati currently?  my pick is BA.  its good for the local kids to grow up knowing that baseball players can be cool.  

*ZERO steroid allegations.

*BA is probably the best pre and post game interview on the team to boot.  

*I dont know how Dunn doesnt lose 40 lbs, move to mt adams and live off arroyo's scraps all summer.

by obc2 on Jan 9, 2008 5:39 PM EST   0 recs

Thanks a lot Tom Brady...
Put in a quarter...Turn out the lights...Magic Fingers makes ya feel alright!

by chandrathan on Jan 9, 2008 9:02 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Tom Brady
Is a Yankees fan.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 9, 2008 10:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I agree with the prior post
Not everyone means what they say, but words do draw from something close to the truth.  I hate the fact Bronson sang the song whether it was purely for the fact he was trying to win over the audience or not.  Larkin and Rijo speak volumes of a desire to sometime return to Cincinnati, you can't pair Rijo next to Bronson. It would be a insult to Rijo.  There have been better pitchers in Cincinnati before Bronson and there will be better after him.  If you want to go so bad, then go, hell repeat last year and I'd trade you for a flat beer and a cold hotdog.
Yes I corked my bat, but I wear goggle, so I must be cool

by spudsmckenzie17 on Jan 9, 2008 9:54 PM EST   0 recs

ha!
I don't blame him for loving boston more than the 'nati. Ofcourse anyone who listens to music knows that it is Bronsons band not him that sound good.
I only use HGH in the postseason, but everything else is the real me-Mike Stantons Conscience

by Zach K on Jan 9, 2008 10:22 PM EST   0 recs

It's my studied opinion ...
That since I never saw Harang developing as he did, that I stand to be surprised by what may happen with Cincy pitchers next. I'm not a genius, after all.

by Billingsfan on Jan 9, 2008 10:26 PM EST   0 recs

Trent asked Arroyo about it
Trent is keeping up the Reds coverage at his new blog.  He talked to Brandon on the phone:
"I was just having fun, playing with the crowd," Arroyo said. "Last year I made some song where I said Adam Dunn hated all the coaches and Ken Griffey Jr. and the year before I had something about Jason LaRue and Matt Belisle. It's obviously not true, it's just having fun."

For the record, Dunn and Griffey are best of friends and Dunn has never had a problem with the Reds coaches.

Bronson pointed out that he wouldn't have signed his extension last season if he wasn't happy in Cincinnati. Bronson laughed about anyone taking his changing of the lyrics seriously. He's happy in Cincinnati and ready for spring training.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 9, 2008 11:04 PM EST   0 recs

I love Bronson but..
Jokes about players hating coaches, at least for us outside the clubhouse, leave us feeling uneasy. Especially considering what has happened in this organization's past. Plus, it's not like Dunn needs any additional heat from the fans..

by RiverfrontDave on Jan 10, 2008 9:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

"heat from the fans" ?
It is more Heat from "know nothing" sports talk radio show host and their drunk listeners who get wild up when they bash Adam Dunn and Chad Johnson. Majority of fans still love Adam hinting why you see thousands of his jerseys at every reds game...
I only use HGH in the postseason, but everything else is the real me-Mike Stantons Conscience

by Zach K on Jan 11, 2008 8:11 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Is this a defense of Adam by Zach
...the Rapture is upon us.
"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by Madville on Jan 12, 2008 2:29 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

put on your hard hat Madville
a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 12, 2008 3:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I wasn't defending him
I was just busting the myth that "the average Reds fan hates Adam Dunn."
"Touchdowns are the most over rated stat in football, first downs are what win games!"-ESPNs Skip Bayless on why Tony Romo is not a good QB

by Zach K on Jan 14, 2008 8:10 AM EST to parent up