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     Why do people love baseball?  I love baseball because I can watch players that give their all runs circles around those who don't.  Those who don't care sometimes rely on skills alone, or the passion they usto have.  They still get paid, some of them still play extremly well.  The difference is that I don't care about those who don't care for the game, or the ones who are too good for practice.  I care about the ones who care enough to give the fans what they paid for, effort.

   Pete Rose, the all time hit king is admired by some for his all out effort.  You can count me in that bunch.  He may have bet on baseball.  Everybody knows he did.  He did that though because he knew so much about the game.(I don't mean that it he was right to do so.)  This was the sport he grew up around.  This was the sport he cared about.  Though he is one of the only, if not the only player who bet on baseball that I know of, he didn't cheat in the way that matters most to me... effort.

     Chicks dig the long ball.  We have all heard that saying.  Well, I dig the hustle.  I love the players who don't care about what people think about them.  I want someone who will risk injury and give that 110%.  Is that too much to ask?  Those that do care will be forever admired by baseball fans like me.  Baseball fans who are great players, but who didn't care will be loved by millions.  I guess those players would rather be loved by millions.  But, could you imagine if those great players did care?  How great they could be.

     I will leave you with one final thought.  The talented players get by with the talent that god gave them, but the true warriors get by with what god gave us all, heart.

Poll
Who would you root for?
The player who goes out every day and gives their best effort and does everything they can to win.
13 votes
A player who doesn't care about wins and losses but puts up much greater stats than the players who do.
9 votes

22 votes | Poll has closed

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those aren't very good choices
try playing 162 games a season and then redefine "hustle," esp. when your season is lost in august.

by Daedalus on Aug 3, 2007 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

The way I see it...
If you make money to play a game the least you can do is show you care.  Skill doesn't show you care.  If skill showed that you care then Ryan Freel wouldn't be a starter.  He would still be in the minors.  If you work less than half the days of the year I work, and make atleast 10 times more than me, you better damn well show you care.  I care about my job.  Damn, I would give everything in the world I've got, except my family of course, to play baseball for a living.

by redlegrulers on Aug 3, 2007 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

do you give 110% in your job every day?
yeah, so they're lucky they were good enough to play ball for a living, but they shouldn't be expected to be supermen because of it.  

by Daedalus on Aug 3, 2007 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're about 109% short there, girl. Try some...
Rose's talk was "weird" - something that "might have been appropriate for a Kiwanis Club, but not for kids."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 3, 2007 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

pete rose doesnt give a shit about baseball
if he did he wouldnt have disgraced it and wouldnt continue to lie about his betting habits. The only thing pete rose cares about, as far as i can tell, is himself. he's definitely not what i love about the game.
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Aug 3, 2007 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

i cant remember the last time i heard
anyone actually defend pete and his gambling.  its ok because he knew so much about the game?  i guess its ok for ol' GW to fuck up in iraq because he knows so much about fucking up, right?
you know who the reds need? lebron james.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 3, 2007 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I think...
that Pete disgraced the game with gambling, don't get me wrong.  I guess it might have sounded like that.  I hate him for doing that.  I just wanted to make the point that so many players cheat the game by not hustling.  Pete is not one one of those players.  Everybody who plays pro baseball in mlb cheats the game.  How could you take so much to play baseball?

by redlegrulers on Aug 3, 2007 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

In 1975 and 1976 my girlfriend (now wife)
and I went to a hell of a lot of games at Riverfront. We either scalped tickets or worked our way down to field level to get as close as we could to 3rd base. The reason was that Pete was so intense, he played every pitch with ferocity. We wanted to get close because we could feel the energy literally steaming off of him. Joe Morgan also had a similar intensity and energy, my wife still loves Joe.These guys were hustlers - 110 per centers (Forget what they've done after baseball). Watching Tony Perez was great too. He hit the long ball and was the RBI man - but he was an intense player who never dogged it.Later on, Eric Davis hit a lot of HRs and busted his ass every game. Although there is some validity to your player classifications, I prefer the intense and focused player whether he hits singles or the long ball, or is a professional bench player.  
That's my choice.
They say it is all over in the blink of an eye. Don't Blink.

by Madville on Aug 3, 2007 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pete....
I love baseball, and have as far back as I can remember, but I am no fan of Pete Rose.  I admired him, once, emulated his style of play, and was as happy as a could be when he was traded back to the Reds in '84 (right before my birthday).  His 4,192 hit in '85 was one of those great memories of my youth, and I defended him initially after he was accused of betting on baseball.  

For those of you who remember, when A. Bartlett Giamatti was NL President in 1988, right before he became MLB Commissioner in '89, he suspended Rose for a month for bumping Dave Pallone in a game (and this was after Pallone initiated the incident by poking Rose in the face during an argument over a call that the umpire missed).  He gave him a 30 game suspension for that, and yet Pedro Guerrero received only a four game suspension later that season for flinging a bat a pitcher.  For the first months of the gambling investigation in '89, there was a lot of rumors about Giamatti having it in for Rose and Reds, because his beloved Red Sox were defeated by Cincinnati in the '75 World Series, but once I read the Dowd Report there was absolutely no doubt in my mind.  Pete bet on baseball, on a regular basis, bet on his own team (even if to win), and lied through his teeth about it for almost fifteen years (to the fans, to the team, to everyone, including himself).  Whatever respect I once held for the man, I lost.  

Unlike the Bonds fans in San Fran, I don't believe in deluding myself.  Pete committed the cardinal sin in baseball, and the fact the man is still hanging out at the race tracks and making numerous casino stops in Vegas tells me that he has no place in this game or the HOF.  He's an unrepentant gambling addict, who showed no regard for himself, his team, or the game of baseball.  Worse, more than anyone, because of his knowledge of he game, Pete was privy to the impact of his behavior.

There are many better examples and ambassadors to the game of baseball.  I'd suggest looking at the two most recent entrants into the Hall of Fame.

by tonywf on Aug 3, 2007 1:16 AM EDT reply actions  

On Pete
I can say only this...

While he was an extremely "hustle-y" player, the legend would have you believe that he was not talented, or perhaps not as talented as the majority of major leaguers.

Don't believe that for a second. You don't get the all time hit record by not being incredibly talented, incredibly lucky, and incredibly focused...not to mention more than a little egotistical and selfish (sometimes to the detriment of the teams he played on, particularly late in his career).

If I were fielding a baseball team, I'd take 9 Pete Roses. Not because of the hustle, though that is an appealing side-benefit of Pete Rose. Because of his talent.

BUT...If I were hiring a manager of that club, or just picking someone to have dinner with, there is no fucking way I would ever take Pete Rose, because he strikes me as a rather repellant human being.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Aug 3, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

there is no such thing as 110%
I'm sorry Pete is a scumbag. He's my father's hero, but most of our heroes, unfortunately, live long enough to disappoint us.

My father hasn't; I love him for it. But he's a much better man than his hero.

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 3, 2007 1:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen, MM.
Couldn't have said it better.
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Aug 3, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

110% is a locker room term used to describe
people who give extra effort, an enormous amount of effort in their daily (and in this case) competitive course of action. Of course there is no 110%, but there are very definitely people who work harder and compete at their highest level more than their counterparts.
Yep. Pete IS a white trash scumbag - but when he played he was a wonder to watch.
He is no hero of mine. But before his effort and drive were compromised by his general stupidity and his illegal activities, the guy was a fucking joy to watch.  
They say it is all over in the blink of an eye. Don't Blink.

by Madville on Aug 3, 2007 2:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Michigan St. 28, OSU 24

Destiny has been unkind to the Buckeyes, but maybe never more so than in this game. Ohio State beat every foe by at least 10 points in 1998, including Top 10 teams Penn State, Michigan and Texas A&M.

Yet on one freaky Saturday afternoon in Columbus, everything went wrong against an unranked, 24-point underdog.

The Buckeyes seemed in complete command when safety Damon Moore returned an interception 73 yards for a touchdown midway through the third quarter. That gave top-ranked OSU what should've been an insurmountable 24-9 advantage.

But five turnovers, including one on a punt that bounced off the back of Nate Clements' helmet, changed the momentum. Michigan State also authored a TD drive of more than 90 yards and Paul Edinger kicked five field goals.

The Buckeyes' last gasp ended when Big Ten MVP Joe Germaine threw an interception in the end zone with 1:39 remaining. After this game, OSU ran the table to go 11-1 and finish second in the national polls. Michigan State ended up 6-6 and failed to earn a bowl bid.

  I was lying in bed with my head under the pillow when Germaine threw that interception.  But I wasn't angry or sad or emabarrassed.  I was just tired and I wanted to take a little break.

My life as a sports fan changed that day.  I now watch sporting events with a fervent interest in the sport, but somewhat detached from these notions of "that's my kinda guy playing for my team out there"

I have favorite teams and favorite players but I also (unfortunately, at times) have a stoic's perspective: These guys are great athletes but they're gonna have their bad days.  And these guys are fun to watch while they do their thing but very few of them are people that I'd want to spend time with and surely they feel the same about ordinary guys like me.

Rose's talk was "weird" - something that "might have been appropriate for a Kiwanis Club, but not for kids."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 3, 2007 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

By the way..
...that OSU/MSU game summary begins with "Destiny has been unkind to the Buckeyes..." because it comes form an article detailing the Buckeyes' "ten toughest defeats this century."  (Some of you Bearcat fans were probably thinking, "Destiny unkind? I'll show you destiny unkind!")
Rose's talk was "weird" - something that "might have been appropriate for a Kiwanis Club, but not for kids."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 3, 2007 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I respect your opinion.
 It's true that the players who give their all are fun to watch, and watching them makes you feel good. I mean, heck. If David Eckstein can be world series mvp, why can't i?

But I also think it's false that players who don't "hustle" are cheating the game of baseball - or that they don't earn their high salaries. There are thousands of people in this world who get by on talent rather than hard work. And I think most all baseball players work hard.

Also, so...Pete Rose bet on baseball because he knew the game. Grew up around it. Cared about it. If he really cared about the game, wouldn't he respect its integrity? Couldn't you say the same thing about a lot of other players who never ever bet on baseball?

Also, effort is more important to you than any kind of like, offical cheating? So...if someone tried hard and took steroids, that'd be ok with you?

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Aug 3, 2007 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Not OK for me
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.Pete's a big fucking jerk.
They say it is all over in the blink of an eye. Don't Blink.

by Madville on Aug 3, 2007 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey MadV, whatever works...
Rose's talk was "weird" - something that "might have been appropriate for a Kiwanis Club, but not for kids."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 3, 2007 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much everything has been covered
but I like players who perform, regardless of how scrappy or hustley they are.  It's performance that ultimately wins games and that's what I want to see.  

And I agree that your poll choices suck.  I don't know anybody in baseball that is happy to be on a losing team, even if they are putting up good numbers for themselves.

I'm a numbers freak, numbers freak. I'm numbers freaky, ow.

by Slyde on Aug 3, 2007 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you man
Players that work hard and strive to reach there fullest potential will always favorites of mine.  This is why I root for Harang, not just because he "preforms well"  but because it has been well documented that he has lost weight and has hard offseason workouts to help him be one of the best pitchers in the NL.
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Aug 3, 2007 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

btw I am disapointed with one thing
When I saw the title I thought it was about the band! Crazy on You Intro is INSANE
"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Aug 3, 2007 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Ya wanna know what's INSANE?
Sure, we all like/love the riff from "Barracuda," but have you ever actually heard and then comtemplated the lyrics?

If you're not high, please swallo your milk before proceeding because this shit is ridiculous:

So this aint the end -
I saw you again today
I had to turn my heart away
Smiled like the sun -
Kisses for real
And tales - it never fails!

You lying so low in the weeds
I bet you gonna ambush me
Youd have me down down down down on my knees
Now wouldnt you, barracuda?

Back over time we were all
Trying for free
You met the porpoise and me
No right no wrong, selling a song-
A name, whisper game.

If the real thing dont do the trick
You better make up something quick
You gonna burn burn burn burn it to the wick
Ooooooh, barracuda?

Sell me sell you the porpoise said
Dive down deep down to save my head
You...i think you got the blues too.

All that night and all the next
Swam without looking back
Made for the western pools - silly fools!

If the real thing dont do the trick
No, you better make up something quick
You gonna burn burn burn burn it to the wick
Ooooooohhhh, barra barracuda.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.

Rose's talk was "weird" - something that "might have been appropriate for a Kiwanis Club, but not for kids."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 3, 2007 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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