Adam Dunn to the Brewers rumor

by JD Arney on Jul 19, 2007 4:24 PM EDT in News

From Lance McAlister I guess, I can't track it down any better than that:

Making the rounds in the MLB rumor mill......Dunn to Brewers for Matt Wise, Tony Gwynn Jr and an infield prospect being discussed.

The only two infield prospects on the BA top 10 for the Brewers this year (apart from Ryan Braun who's not really a prospect any more) are Alcides Escobar and Mat Gamel. They were the Brewers 9th and 10th best prospects, and neither seems to be anything to get terrible excited about. Gamel has put up decent numbers, but nothing earth shattering, and Escobar doesn't seem to be able to hit.

Gwynn is a guy who's supposedly a good defensive center fielder, but he has zero power. Might put up a decent batting average and on base percentage though. Matt Wise seems to be a solid reliever, but I just can't help but cringe at this point whenever Krivsky tries to bring in relief help.

I have a hard time believing this is anything more than rumor but it's really hard to tell. I wouldn't be a fan of a deal like this, but there are probably worse ways to go.

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Wow...

If a trade like this happens...Wayne is offically on the atrocious GM list.

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 19, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions

You mean he's not already?

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by BK on Jul 19, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Phillips, Hammy and Hatty

are the only reason he is not

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by Zach K on Jul 19, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Didn't he flip Willy Mo for Arroyo?

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 19, 2007 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions

i think we heard

that theo did all the flipping.

THEO: You're going to trade us one of your outfielders for bronson arroyo.

WAYNE: I am?

THEO: Yes.

WAYNE: Oh. K. Umm... Austin Kearns?

THEO: No, not really a big fan.

WAYNE: Umm, I dont know. Wily Mo?

THEO: Dunn.

WAYNE: Done? Just like that? sweet.

THEO: I meant... well, whatever. Wily Mo is fine.

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by boobs on Jul 19, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions

hahaha oh god...

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by Zach K on Jul 19, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Its not yet 5pm but Im givin PostOfTheDay to boobs

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 19, 2007 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Seconded

And I've seen that picture before. I don't know if that means you're slipping or I'm getting better. Likely it just confirms that I am a gigantic nerd. El Nerdo Gigante.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 19, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

RE: you're slipping or I'm getting better

Either way, I've gotta try harder.

How's this:

AWESOME!

or howabout..

AWESOME!

No, wait. Here we go....

AWESOME!

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 19, 2007 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Awesome

by Brendanukkah on Jul 19, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Thank you Alan

and the Kearns, Lopez, Wagner Trade did not help us, but it didn't help Washinton that much either, though I guess small production by postion players is better than no production from two relievers. Who really thought here that brendan harris would be good when the trade happened...so I don't fault him for that

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 19, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

What they do in Washington doesn't matter.

Wayne's job is not to make the Nationals worse, it's to make the Reds better. Regardless of whether or not either team really benefitted all that much from The Trade, it's obvious that it significantly hurt the Reds. You don't compare the production of the players we got to the production of players we gave up with their new teams, you compare the production of the players we got with the production of the players we gave up when they were with our team. That being the case, the trade was an inexcusable rape.

As for Brendan Harris...Wayne traded for the guy in July, let him go 6 months later after he hit very, very well in Louisville. That means either Wayne didn't think he was good to start with, which means trading for him and then passing him off as a key part of the deal was a joke, or it means that Wayne is an idiot and let Harris go for nothing because he can't manage a roster. Either way, it's pathetic.

In his year and a half of GMing, Wayne has shown himself to have a single useful philosophy: Talent doesn't disappear. That enabled him to pick up Hamilton and Phillips, the two moves of his that are actually praise-worthy. The Arroyo trade has worked out nicely, but I don't think it was a case of Wayne finding a steal or anything like that, but rather a case of an obvious deal that made sense for both teams. Wayne got lucky on how good Arroyo was last year, because I really don't think he expected that when he made the deal.

by Geki on Jul 19, 2007 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah I agree with you

But when it comes to 07 who would you pick

Gonzo or Lopez at short

Griffey or Kearns at RF

haha I'm jw but I also think wayne did an OK job replacing Kearns and lopez but did an awful job "redoing the bullpen".

Hows Everyday Eddie doing? haha

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by Zach K on Jul 19, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd take Lopez over Gonzalez.

And Kearns was replaced by the Hamilton/Freel/Hopper monster, not by Griffey.

I think Felipe in GABP instead of RFK would be the superior hitter between him and Gonzalez without a doubt, and Gonzalez's defense this year really hasn't been much better than Felipe's was last year, as sad as that is. I think Felipe could fill the role of leadoff man pretty competently, which is something we need.

Hamilton by himself has obviously outplayed what Kearns did last year, but when you take into account the time he has missed and how bad the fill-in players have been, the production is about even.

And, like I've said before, it's not that he traded Kearns and Lopez, it's that he got absolutely zero value in return for Kearns and Lopez. We haven't gotten a positive contribution back from any player in that deal other than Bray's 27 mediocre innings last year -- which are more than negated by how bad Majewski has been in his appearances.

by Geki on Jul 19, 2007 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Counter

Yes. I'll give you: Phillips, Hammy, Hatte, Bronson.

However: Franklin, Stanton, Stone, McCracken, Womack, Moeller, Kim, Majewski. I win.

"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs, and four-thousand hits." - Pete Rose

by BK on Jul 19, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions

You are most likely right

But I like to hope, a trade like this kills the little hope i have

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by Zach K on Jul 19, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep.

This is just one to add to the list.

"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs, and four-thousand hits." - Pete Rose

by BK on Jul 19, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

If he does this

He's not on the list, he IS the list. Nobody else could begin to compare.

by Geki on Jul 19, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Here ya go, 'nukkah.

Nothing like a Matt Gamel rumor to HEAT things up around here for ya!

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 19, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions

This makes me miss RJ

Sad-face. :(

by Brendanukkah on Jul 19, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

The only thing worse would be trading Dunn

for Eric Milton and Chad Moeller....oh wait

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by Madville on Jul 19, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions

I wonder if Dunn

Would room with the other Adam from Milwaukee

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by MixFMKyle on Jul 19, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions

You gotta call "Lower Bunk!"

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 19, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Gamel and Escobar

Gamel has shown a decent bat, but in a week he's gonna be a 22-year-old powerless 3B who is still in A-ball. He doesn't have much of a defensive reputation and is, at best, a B- prospect.

The only good thing I can say about Escobar is that he has a cool name, because his bat is awful. He can't take a walk, he has no power, he's not a good basestealer despite good athleticism, and he hasn't been able to hit for average. Yuck.

If I'm trading for a Brewers prospect, I damn well better be getting Manny Parra or Will Inman to start with (both starter prospects, albeit completely different ones). After that, their system is pretty damn terrible thanks to the graduation of guys like Fielder, Braun, Hardy, Weeks, Gallardo, and Hart in recent years.

by Geki on Jul 19, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions

If Braun's the infield prospect

Let's go. Otherwise, no thanks.

"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs, and four-thousand hits." - Pete Rose

by BK on Jul 19, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions

My Thoughts Exactly

"Can I do Nomo? Uh, no. It's too herky jerky. I'd probably pull a disk." -Ken Griffey Jr.

by crolfer on Jul 19, 2007 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Braun

I don't know that they'd trade Braun for Pujols, to be honest. He's got some pretty ridiculous talent.

by Geki on Jul 19, 2007 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

compensation

aren't we getting to the point where, if dunn walked, we'd get a first round draft pick?

don't know about you, but that's better than a bunch of middlin' prospects.

by bobestes on Jul 19, 2007 5:46 PM EDT reply actions

A first and a supplemental first

Without a doubt.

by Geki on Jul 19, 2007 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions

but

sweaterpants is in charge of the picks.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jul 19, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Rather that than Gwynn, Wise, and crappy prospect.

by Geki on Jul 19, 2007 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Dammit! Now I am pissed...

I posted this exact thing yesterday, and got basically no response.

What's wrong JD, you don't have time to read through your own blog?

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 19, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions

I thought about replying to it

than i had to do some laundry and watch saved by the bell :I

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 19, 2007 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

And had dinner at the Maxx?

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 19, 2007 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Gwynn Jr = Hopper

minus 8 years and
plus one big name

by cggarb on Jul 19, 2007 6:38 PM EDT reply actions

Why would Krivsky

trade Dunn within the division in addition to the lousy return?

by pw on Jul 19, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions

Either...

A] He isn't going to make this rumored trade an actual trade.

..or..

B] As the deadline approaches he's as nervous as a barefoot French golfer and can't help but fuck something up.

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 19, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions

it saddens me

that I know enough about golf to not have to click on that link to know what you're talking about

"428 feet of man." ~ Jim Day, creepily reliving a Chris Duncan home run.

by Ash on Jul 19, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Do you know any good PGA blogs?

(just kidding.)

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 19, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions

JD probably has one of those too :)

"428 feet of man." ~ Jim Day, creepily reliving a Chris Duncan home run.

by Ash on Jul 19, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know enough about golf...

..but I would imagine that a good snarky PGA blog could be fun.

Think about it: the game threads would last for four days and it seems that between the golfers, the golf shots and the talking heads (man, does golf coverage have a lot of them or is it just me?) there would be a constant supply of material.

And Slyde could make some charts and graphs and shit.

Where in the hell is Slyde?

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 19, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions

re: Slyde

Miguel Cabrera ate him, too.

"428 feet of man." ~ Jim Day, creepily reliving a Chris Duncan home run.

by Ash on Jul 19, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I haven't yet read the game thread.

The last comedic cannibal I read of was Rob Dibble.

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 19, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

i consumed him

on a relate note, i was thniking today about a good kind of blog id like to find: an obit blog. there's a niche of readers who are devoted to the obits, and they make for extremely interesting reads, and i think a good obit blog would be some good fun.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jul 19, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions

wow.

I've been thinking of something along similar lines.

We should talk.

(In October.)

"This may be representative of my nature as a middle American jerk-off." ~Pops

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 19, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

interesting..

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jul 19, 2007 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Jerry Crasnick says there's nothing to this rumor.

Phew.

by Geki on Jul 19, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions

if anything it is smoke

to deflect from the real crappy trade Wayne is about to reveal

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 19, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions

McAlister's show

Does anyone listen to McAlister's show? Did he cite a source? Like JD, I've not heard, seen or read this Dunn rumor anywhere else on the web.

by omnired on Jul 20, 2007 8:18 AM EDT reply actions

mlbtraderumors

has more about it. The only other source than Lance cited is SportsRadio 1250 in Milwaukee.

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by BK on Jul 20, 2007 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions

Thanks

I've got a friend who got heard it from 1250 also, but according to him they were citing 1530 in Cincinnati (Lance).

by omnired on Jul 20, 2007 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions

Lance said he originally heard it from

an MLB source at Wrigley Field.

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by chandrathan on Jul 20, 2007 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Doug Melvin hates you for speculating

The Brewers GM doesn't like these rumors, and he doesn't like you for discussing them. [via www.cincinnatireds.com]

"I'm taking more calls deflecting these kinds of rumors than I've had talking to GMs," said Melvin, whose club is already flush with left-handed-hitting outfielders. "There are freaking geeks who get ... off on this kind of stuff."

So knock it off, you freaking geeks. Sheesh.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 20, 2007 2:31 PM EDT reply actions