Bronson Arroyo on the trade market?

by JD Arney on Jul 15, 2007 8:42 PM EDT in News

Bronson Arroyo

I really wouldn't understand a move like this:

Talk is getting stronger among scouts that the Reds might deal Bronson Arroyo. Wonder if the Red Sox will offer Wily Mo Peña.

Dumping good, cheap players for prospects isn't a way to get competitive quickly. Everyone should be on the table, etc. etc. I get that and I agree with it, but the price the Reds would need to get for a Bronson Arroyo deal to make sense is pretty steep.

I think alot of people think this team is oh so close to being pretty good, but I'm having a tough time not seeing it the other way around. Get rid of guys like Griffey, Dunn, and Arroyo in unsuccessful trades for prospects and all of a sudden Krivsky will have dug a Pittsburgh Pirates size hole that could take years and years to climb out of.

I'm excited for the next two weeks, because trades are fun, and I'm still a fan obviously, but I'm also pretty wary and worried because I don't have any reason to believe that the guy in charge knows what the hell he's doing. Best case scenario might be that Krivsky wildly overestimates the value of his players and doesn't get many deals done.

There's actually a fair amount of calvary coming from the minor leagues in the next year or two. It's not going to make a lot of difference if that calvary is simply replacing guys like Dunn and Arroyo. The Reds need players who are complementary to the valuable players they already possess. I really hope someone in the organization realizes that.

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psshhh

I wouldn't worry. Boston papers are garbage.

by bobestes on Jul 15, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions

Well...

There was that report from that Philly paper that was picked up by SI and others:

Scouts say the Reds are alerting other clubs that everybody on their roster is available except Aaron Harang, Homer Bailey, Josh Hamilton, Alex Gonzalez and Brandon Phillips.

Interesting that the keeper list includes Harang but not Arroyo. Though I guess Harang has been the better pitcher this year.

Me, I dread trades. It just seems like deadline deals rarely work out.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 15, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions

For how many years and..

...for how many dollars do we have BP?

Might there soon be grumblings for him to have more years and more dollars?

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 15, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions

He hasn't even hit arb yet

I think 4 more years, and he's still making the minimum.

by Geki on Jul 15, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Phillips

I believe he becomes arbitration eligible (depending on if he's a super-2 or not) this off-season, but that likely means something like $1.5 to $2M next year. There's three years of arbitration before he's a free agent, so they have him for relatively cheap for a couple of years.

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by Slyde on Jul 15, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Very odd that Sea Bass is on it too...

He's been good this year... but not THAT good... he's no franchise player...

"Can I do Nomo? Uh, no. It's too herky jerky. I'd probably pull a disk." -Ken Griffey Jr.

by crolfer on Jul 16, 2007 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Lack of any SS

I think he's untouchable more because this organization really doesn't have anything resembling a good SS (or even middle infield) prospect in the high minors. If you ask me, Gonzalez has been bad this year and if we can get any kind of respectable return for him, I could tolerate Lopez for the rest of the season. Janish is a good defender with a good eye, but he can't do anything else at the plate. Lopez is a very streaky player but he's shown the ability to hit a little bit in the minors, though I wouldn't expect him to do it right away.

All in all, I see why Gonzalez is untouchable, I simply don't agree with it.

by Geki on Jul 16, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Bronson isn't gonna be cheap much longer

And if the organization thinks his struggles earlier this year were a result of something other than a tired arm, they should absolutely trade him.

If he's on the market, he's likely the best pitcher on the market, so if Krivsky can get a bounty for him, there's no reason not to.

by Geki on Jul 15, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions

J. D. is on the money:

"The Reds need players who are complementary to the valuable players they already possess. I really hope someone in the organization realizes that."

Trades are fun in theory - exciting to fantasize over but it is rare that they make much positive difference. Especially if Krivsky is doing the trading.

I think that this team is maybe 2, 3 at the tops, players away from contending as long management finds a way to add "players who are complementary to the valuable players they already possess." Redundant, I know - A competitive GM could make this happen. I hope Krivsky wises up fast or that Castellini wises up even faster.

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 15, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Who cares?

Bronson has been a killer this year. I think this club would be much better suited with a young gun like Dumatrait up here instead of Arroyo. Not only has he sucked when he gets the ball, but his extra days off screw up the pitching rotation for the rest of the starters. You know that won't be his only extra day of rest he gets this year, if he's here long enough to suck it up enough they give him one.

by redlegrulers on Jul 15, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions

what?

He's had 6 bad starts out of 19. In the other 13 starts he has gone at least 6 innings all but once (he went 5.2 that game) and he's given up 3 runs or fewer all but once (he gave up 4 runs in his first start). He had an awful stretch where 5 out of 6 starts sucked, but it's been well documented how he was abused in the three starts prior to that stretch.

As for the extra rest, his turn in the rotation has been adjusted once, and it was during a two week stretch where the Reds had 3 off days. He was swapped with Lohse who was pitching on his regular set of rest. How did that screw up the rotation for the rest of the starters?

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by Slyde on Jul 15, 2007 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions

My point was...

that bronson is more trouble than he's worth. We gave him that extension way too early, which was another horrible Krivsky move. He is never gonna be a legit #1 starter. His extension is going to make him horribly overpaid, much like Eric Milton. Speaking of Milton, Arroyo has pitched just as Milton usto. I wouldn't care if Arroyo was a #3, or 4 pitcher. It's just that he is our number 2 pitcher and he isn't pitching like it.

I think the best move at this point is no move at all. There is no way we get a good prospect in return for Arroyo, and by good I mean top 40 in MLB. I think we should cut his guitar strings and hope he returns to the Bronson of old.

by redlegrulers on Jul 15, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Who Dude, don't hold back....

Bronson's not had the best year and he hasn't had the best support either. He got a lot of luck and support last year and he was this 'incredible find' this year he's had less luck and support and now he's suddenly 'shitty'. He's still pretty much the same pitcher when properly utilized. I don't buy your argument.

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 15, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd take Bronson over Dumatrait straight up.

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 15, 2007 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Strange double post there....

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 15, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions

"Talk is getting stronger among scouts"

"Scouts say..."

Why is pure gossip reported in newspapers? This is just a bunch of old hens chattering to their platonic boyfriends who bring them flowers and tell them they're still pretty.

by cggarb on Jul 15, 2007 9:38 PM EDT reply actions

pick a little, talk a little,

pick a little, talk a little, cheep cheep cheep, pick a lot, talk a little more.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jul 15, 2007 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Music Man

any bonus points available here?

by Dubman on Jul 15, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Only if you know the territory

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 15, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions

hmmmm

I know it's River City. but i can only guess at the territory...

okay, i looked it up. must have been a trick question, cause it was set in 1912 in River City, Iowa, which was technically a state then.

by Dubman on Jul 15, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions

you get 25 points for knowing MM

but madville gets 10 bonus points for referencing the train song. "But he doesn't know the territory!"

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Jul 15, 2007 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions

What no points for Music Man II ?

I should get something for knowing that, at least more points than chandrathan got for doing Chandra's laundry...jeez

Good-night all...hmmm goodnight my someone, goodnight my love....Ctrent singing to Marty's hair, while Thom dreams of Conine in sunglasses and leather. Yep it has been an interesting day.

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 16, 2007 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions

Brendan

knows topography when he sees it (which isn't often).

"California was when the punk scene started" -Zach

by Man Mountain on Jul 15, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Not since

they took all my mom's videos off of YouTube.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 15, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Come on...

You know YouTube doesn't allow topography!

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 15, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I know...

...it's only a storage vat of regional memory but I like it.

Like it.

Yes I do.

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 16, 2007 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions

Man Mountain!

I really said that...damn how unclutch of me

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 15, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

but

very punk rock of you.

"California was when the punk scene started" -Zach

by Man Mountain on Jul 16, 2007 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions

PUNK!!!

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 16, 2007 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

Some of it may come down to...

..whether or not Wayne thinks that this team has a chance to win 90 games in '08.

Do they?

If Arroyo could be traded for some quality parts... awww scratch that-

I don't think I trust Wayne to get a quality catcher and/or some other legitimate quality parts and even if he does, how in the hell could the Reds make a run at 90 wins in '09 with a starting staff of Harang and Bailey and... who? Am I supposed to believe that Bob's gonna cut open the mattress in order to bring in a better than average free agent starting pitcher (or two)?

Am I supposed to believe that?

'Cause I doesn't.

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 15, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions

Castellini knows that action has to taken.

Right? Right. What action is the question. From all I've gleaned with incessant recent reading of RR and other Reds related blogs, Bob is not going to open up the mattress and it would take a far sharper and nastier GM than Krivsky to pull off the kind of trade we need. We've got some good talent in AAA and AA, plus Keppinger. I guess what I'm for is going with what we already have, moving a couple Veteran Ps and bring up some of the kids and work them in. Nothing to lose - Everything to gain. Cause we ain't winnin' nothin' now. Right? Right.

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 15, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I second that...

Though Castillini says he wants to win he isn't george steinbrener. As the dude on 700 said today "Do you think Castillini is making millions selling tomatoes?" He just doesn't have the dough. I love Castillini as much as the next Reds fan. I won't jump all over him because he hasn't gone for the big fish yet. I think this offseason will be a huge test to weather Castillini is the owner we want. I think that they should get one of the following three, Carlos Zambrano, Scott Linebrink, and/or Eric Gagne, along with a great manager. GO REDS!!!

by redlegrulers on Jul 15, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Arroyo/Pena

Hey J.D., it was a written as a swipe at the Red Sox. Don't take everything you read so SERIOUSLY.

In addition...if you or anyone else on this site think Dunn is a player you build a team around, you should give this up. He's terrible in the field and he's terrible in the clutch. Bad combination.

Obviously you're infatuated with an occasional long HR. He creates awe with his show of power, but his game has little substance if you're looking for a winning player.

by OldRedsFan on Jul 15, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions

ALLLLLL.....

...the Jets are in gear,
Our cylinders are clickin'!
The Sharks'll steer clear
'Cause ev'ry Puerto Rican's a lousy chicken!

Here come the Jets
Like a bat out of hell.
Someone gets in our way,
Someone don't feel so well!

Here come the Jets:
Little world, step aside!
Better go underground,
Better run, better hide!

We're drawin' the line,
So keep your noses hidden!
We're hangin' a sign,
Says "Visitors forbidden"
And we ain't kiddin'!

Here come the Jets,
Yeah! And we're gonna beat
Ev'ry last buggin' gang
On the whole buggin' street!
On the whole!
Ever!
Mother!
Lovin'!
Street!
Yeah!

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 15, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Ummm - lets see-

Music Man II starring Shirley Jones as Brendan's Mom any points ?

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 15, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Don't you sometimes wish

that the Warriors had to fight the Jets and/or the Sharks? Woulda been cool.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 15, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Jets/Sharks

vs. Orphans first. The Orphans were bad dressers and I imagine had a poor sense of rhythm.

"California was when the punk scene started" -Zach

by Man Mountain on Jul 15, 2007 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

The Jets?

We've moved on to football season already?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 16, 2007 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions

The Sharks?

We've moved on to hockey season already?

Fire DeWayno Sweaterpants!

by Daedalus on Jul 16, 2007 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Ain't no clutch to be terrible in so I'm told.

Anyway tell that to the Met's Scoreboard. Again, if they could take Dunn over Belt-train right now THEY WOULD.

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 15, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Beltran is 10 times more valuable than Dunn.

Beltran plays gold glove defense. He also hits extremly well, though he isn't doing so this year. Even though Beltran is years older than Dunn I would take him in a second over Dunn.

by redlegrulers on Jul 15, 2007 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, we get that

Adam Wainwright thinks Carlos Beltran strikes out too much.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 15, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions

"Clutch"

DRINK!!!!

"California was when the punk scene started" -Zach

by Man Mountain on Jul 15, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions

out of curiosity

who do you want to see playing left for the Reds? Norris Hopper, or someone else in the system, or someone brought in via a trade?

"428 feet of man." ~ Jim Day, creepily reliving a Chris Duncan home run.

by Ash on Jul 15, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

terrible in the clutch

i never learned to drive stick either

Barry Larkin is better than 10 super bowls put together

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 15, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

thats because you are automatic baby!

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 15, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know if anyone

on this site thinks Dunn is a player you build around, but think he is a solid player for what they are paying him right now. Would I want pay him him 14 Millon dollars next season, no but truth is with the way the market is now a power hitter like Dunn is cheap for what he gives a small market team like the reds. He is also 27 and lets not forget David Ortiz he sucked bad with the twins but now he is one of the best hitters with runners in scoring postion in the game.

I don't know if you have to have a Pujols, A-Rod or a superstar to have a championship team. Look at the 1990 Reds, everyone was solid on that team and their might not be one hall of famer on that roster {Larkin and O'Neil maybe} but they where a great team and played well when they needed to. So lets lay off Dunner and keep hating the real problem SWEATERPANTS!!

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 15, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Hate sweaterpants, hate him we does

nasty sweaterpants is mean to poor dunnster, kill sweaterpants, hate him we does

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 15, 2007 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Why wouldn't you

want to build around Dunn?

How many players give you 40 homers a year again?

(Not that I'm picking on you, Zach, because I see that your post is not about slagging Dunn, but I thought that needed to be brought up again.)

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Jul 16, 2007 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions

I Think Dunn is a good player

But I Believe you build with pitching not just around one postion player, Its like how texas tried to build around A-Rod, great offense but other than Kenny Rogers they couldn't afford any other good arms. So it's nothing against Dunn but I think we have a good enough line up around hit already although I would love to see more contact hitters around him.

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 16, 2007 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Dunn is a great player...

But the Reds have been awful since he's been with them. I know it's not his fault, and that he provides a large part of the offense. In defense of Dunn, his supporting cast has been less than spectacular. But the problem is, as Dunn gets more expensive over the next few years, that does not correlate to the surrounding players getting better.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions

he is a good player here is the Zach Rating System

Suck Ass- Chad Moeller, Magic Man

Decent-Gonzo, Hatty, Bronson

Casto-Castro, Javy, Hopper

Good-Dunn, Griffey, Harrang

Great-Pujols, Bonds, A-Rod...Hopper

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 16, 2007 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Griffey was a great player in Seattle...

And has been pretty near great this season.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions

You wear adult diapers.

I don't like you.

by Geki on Jul 16, 2007 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions

chandrathan has always been 'dependable'

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 16, 2007 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions

I don't get it...

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Previous reference to adult diaperrs

Best know brand of adult diapers = Depends
plus chandrathan is legendary as a person with a consistent (therefore dependable) point of view. A double en tend if I may.

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 16, 2007 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Oh No...

I'm conflicted...

On the one hand, hahahahahah I tricked you.

But on the other, I think you complimented me, so I would feel kinda bad about that...

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions

"They" meaning the Mets.

sorry technical difficulties here in "The Synapse Room" where Bronson Arroyo will be appearing every Tues. night during the off season.

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 15, 2007 10:44 PM EDT reply actions

I'm nervous and excited

about the trade dedline but in the end I would be surprise if anyone other than Loshe gets traded, if he does it would be for a very low value. I don't know what the market is for Dunn but the 2nd best guy behind him in the market is Dye and Dunn is having a much better season than Dye. This reminds me of the situation the brewers had last season they got rid of Carlos Lee {who is a more expensive Dunn} for Kevin Mench {below average OF} and their All-Star Closer. If we could pull a trade like that {wanye won't} I would be in favor but I agree with J.D that if we gamble on prospects trading Dunn, Griff and Arroyo we could be like the dread pirates.

NO TRADES!!!

"Always root for the winner. That way you won't be disappointed." -Tug McGraw

by Zach K on Jul 15, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions

Howabout...

..Griffey and Arroyo for Santana and a prospect or two?

I believe Santana is a free agent after '08 so if the Reds aren't looking strong next July, we could flip him for just about whatever we wanted. ("Shifting market values" be damned!)

OR....

Bob could cut open one of his matresses (here's hoping he has more than one!) and he could set our rotation up: Santana, Harang, Bailey.

Dare to dream this little dream with me and look at that rotation one more time:

Santana
Harang
Bailey

Brandon who?!

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 16, 2007 12:29 AM EDT reply actions

I really hope that wasn't a serious trade offer.

by Geki on Jul 16, 2007 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions

...like a heart attack.

I'm awaiting counter-offers from www.TwinkieTown.com

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 16, 2007 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions

I'd do it...

If we could sign Santana to a long term deal.

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions

I wouldn't do it

unless they threw in Mauer.

It's not the negativity. It's the misdirected negativity.

by Red Menace on Jul 16, 2007 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions

I ran that by the fellas at TwinkieTown.com

They said they'd do it if we threw in Marty and Thom.

I'm ready to pull the trigger on this one!

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 16, 2007 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions

I'll give it my blessing

If that's what you are waiting for.

chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 16, 2007 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

Actually, I was waiting for someone..

..to give me half a reason to post a BIG CATFISH!

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 16, 2007 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions

You seemingly have an endless supply of those

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions

Actually, no.

It turnd out that there aren't as many big catfish out there as you would think.

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 16, 2007 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Catfish...

How can something so ugly taste so good?

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions

<coutlangus joke>

"California was when the punk scene started" -Zach

by Man Mountain on Jul 16, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions

opposite?

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions

hey, hey, hey

I'm not looking to pry into any of yalls kinky married lives.

"California was when the punk scene started" -Zach

by Man Mountain on Jul 16, 2007 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, wel...

I don't get it anyway...

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Sad

You don't get it here and you don't get it at home.

"California was when the punk scene started" -Zach

by Man Mountain on Jul 16, 2007 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions

On the other hand...

...some things taste about what they look like.

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 16, 2007 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions

salad tossing? really? we've come to that?

chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 16, 2007 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Kudos to you guys..

For all of the innuendo and not once mentioning Brendan's Mom...

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions

My apologies.

You prefer Ceasar?

"Is (eight) some sort of Australian Rules Bukkake or something?" ~ Man Mountain

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 16, 2007 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

i can't wait until august 1

so i can stop worrying.

Fire DeWayno Sweaterpants!

by Daedalus on Jul 16, 2007 9:10 AM EDT reply actions

ah

but there will still be rumors on the waiver wire deals, though it's unlikely that any of the big guys would make it through waivers.

chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 16, 2007 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions

What would happen to Dunn's option year...

If he were claimed off waivers, and the Reds let him go?

"Give them this: they never let the fact that only half of what they posted was funny stop them from posting still more." - Rastronomicals

by chandrathan on Jul 16, 2007 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions

No idea

But does it matter? Any contender that needs another bat would take Dunn in a heartbeat if they didn't have to give up anybody to get him, whether they control him for next season or not.

And if Krivsky let it happen and wasn't fired that same day, well, THEN I would give this all up.

chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 16, 2007 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Here's ol' Sweaterpants

gettin' ready for the deadline

I Is Unacculturated

by Pops Daniels on Jul 16, 2007 3:40 PM EDT reply actions

I think that's Bowden

giving the exam in a stock photo from last season.

I Is Unacculturated

by Pops Daniels on Jul 16, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions

No, no I believe it the loveable

Doc Krumbcrotch telling Magic Man to suck it up and quite whining right before the last cortisone shot. This picture was take a couple of day before a certain trade.

(Nurse Jane Fuzzy Wuzzy WasShe in the background)

With my wife I don't get no respect. I made a toast on her birthday to 'the best woman a man ever had.' The waiter joined me. Rodney Dangerfield

by Madville on Jul 16, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions

A name that could have been a Red

The Brewers just called up Grant Balfour. So far in 32 minor league games he's put up a 1.87 ERA in 43.1 innings. His K/9 is nasty (14.1) though his BB/9 is a little higher than ideal (3.1). Obviously there are no guarantees that he'll be good once he gets to the Majors, and I think Krivsky was doing him a favor when he waived him, but I'd have taken him over Ricky Stone any day.

chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 16, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions

Balfour was a DanO signing

Krivsky had no choice but to get rid of him, as purging the team of any players that are not his own seems to be his goal.

Of course, Balfour's an ex-Twin, so one might've hoped that would balance it out.

As for his walk rate...3.1 BB/9 isn't bad at all for a reliever, especially when your K/BB is over 4.5.

by Geki on Jul 16, 2007 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

It's not great, but I was trying not to build it up as a horrible move - Balfour was anything but a sure thing - and I didn't want it to be as much of a Krivsky bash as a note that damn, it sure would have been nice to have him still.

chandrathan has come out of the darkness and has seen a great light!

by Slyde on Jul 16, 2007 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Possible trade....

What are we going to offer him for? As with my contention with trading Dunn, I do not know of a single team in MLB who would think of trading a top-tiered starter to the Reds. Are we going to trade him for a bunch of prospects? They would have to be pretty good prospects, although I suppose with the quasi-emergence of Livingston maybe the front office thinks Bronson is expendable.

by tonywf on Jul 17, 2007 1:10 PM EDT reply actions