So... any guesses on Mitchell Report names?

by crolfer on Dec 12, 2007 6:42 PM EST

Apparently there are supposed to be somewhere between sixty and eighty names included in the report... Other than the whole Cardinals roster... who all do you guys suspect of juicing?

Especially Reds... So... Let's start throwing names... Let the slandering with no pretenses begin!

Some names I'll throw out:

Jim Edmonds
Joel Piniero
JD Drew
Jose Vidro
Jason Grimsley
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi

notice how i managed to use only guys with first names starting with J? Sweet... that should be 300 characters...

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my wild card is rickey

most of the information comes from a mets equipment manager, and rickey did get kinda cut up there at the end. plus he lasted in the league until he was 87 years old. most people dont know that.

i guess i just described julio franco too. so he's my other wild card.

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 6:49 PM EST reply actions

Turk Wendell and Mike Hampton

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 7:06 PM EST up reply actions

Rickey

When reporters asked him about Canseco's claim that 50% of baseball players used steroids, Rickey told them, "Well, Rickey's not one of them, so that's 49% right there."

Do Albert Pujols and Roger Clemens count as wild cards?

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Dec 12, 2007 7:42 PM EST up reply actions

remember when deadspin reported that pujols was implicated in the grimsley report, and it was on olbermann, and then it turned out that will's source was full of shit? that was great. Now, if it turns out pujols really did juice, that would be choice.

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 7:44 PM EST up reply actions

If Clemens and Pujols don't count

I have Juan Gonzalez and Ruben Sierra. Hell, give me that entire Rangers roster.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Dec 12, 2007 7:48 PM EST up reply actions

you can have sierra

but definitely not gonzalez

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 7:50 PM EST up reply actions

Was he implicated somewhere?

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Dec 12, 2007 7:53 PM EST up reply actions

jose did

which is pretty much gold, because none of those guys sued jose.

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 7:58 PM EST up reply actions

Can I have Will The Thrill?

Clark and Sierra. Them's my horses.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Dec 12, 2007 8:05 PM EST up reply actions

Clark

His career path is very interesting: San Fran, Texas, Baltimore, STL. All of those teams have shadows of suspicion. That's a good pick there BLee.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Dec 12, 2007 8:07 PM EST up reply actions

Before that he was at Mississippi State

with Rafael Palmeiro, Bobby Thigpen, and Everyone Knows the Cowboy.

by Man Mountain on Dec 12, 2007 8:15 PM EST up reply actions

Irresponsible Speculation:

This sort of thing is my bag, baby.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Dec 12, 2007 8:28 PM EST up reply actions

I don't think Clemens counts

Clemens and Pettitte were on the leaked Grimsley affidavit. While some claimed it was "inaccurate," we now know that Jay Gibbons, also on the leaked list, was indeed juicing.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2007 7:47 PM EST up reply actions

All of Crolfer's candidates' names start w/J

Josh Hamilton?

"Cool Papa Bell hit a line drive right past my ear. I turned around and saw the ball hit his ass sliding into second." - Satchel Paige

by Madville on Dec 12, 2007 11:29 PM EST up reply actions

we should start a pool

by Red Menace on Dec 12, 2007 7:12 PM EST reply actions

i was thinking that

i dont know if youre serious, but i really want to. the rules should be that you cant pick anyone who's already been implicated, whether by the grimsley report, the grand jury investigations, game of shadows, juiced, or mlb suspension. that eliminated a lot of guys i guess, but it wouldnt be fair to take palmeiro, gonzalez, bonds, etc.

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 7:15 PM EST up reply actions

I third this

We should also award bonus points for picking any Red/former Red. Give everyone something like 10 guesses.

by ken on Dec 12, 2007 8:37 PM EST up reply actions

confidence picks

Everyone could list ten names in order of their confidence. Your first name would be worth 10 points if he's named, the last name 1 point. That would allow for many of the names appearing on multiple lists.

We could also use a modified death pool format where players are worth more if they're named on fewer lists.

I will totally do this and encourage anyone else who will be around before tomorrow morning to join in. All we really need is a clear list of who is already named and therefore ineligible.

by Red Menace on Dec 12, 2007 8:43 PM EST up reply actions

How about

confidence points, but a double points bonus for former Reds?

by Red Menace on Dec 12, 2007 8:44 PM EST up reply actions

ill play, whatever the rules

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 9:00 PM EST up reply actions

Good idea

Off-limits guys per positive tests and suspensions under the drug policy:

Alex Sánchez
Jorge Piedra
Agustín Montero
Jamal Strong
Juan Rincón
Rafael Betancourt
Rafael Palmeiro
Ryan Franklin
Mike Morse
Carlos Almanzar
Félix Heredia
Matt Lawton
Yusaku Iriki
Jason Grimsley
Guillermo Mota
Juan Salas
Neifi Perez
Mike Cameron

From the recent Albany County investigation we should also set aside Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Scott Schoeneweis, Gary Matthews, Jr., Troy Glaus and Rick Ankiel.

Tried finding the Grimsley list but no luck.

by ken on Dec 12, 2007 9:04 PM EST up reply actions

The Grimsley List

Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Miguel Tejada
Brian Roberts
Jay Gibbons

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by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2007 9:08 PM EST up reply actions

I thought it was much bigger?

by ken on Dec 12, 2007 9:09 PM EST up reply actions

that's what she said

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Dec 12, 2007 9:11 PM EST up reply actions

Those are the only names I saw

Maybe not all of them leaked. Or were interesting enough to report.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2007 9:19 PM EST up reply actions

Don't hate me

Josh Hamilton. (another J)

'Clutch' to me is the epitome of experimenter's bias.

by TheDude @ Red Reporter on Dec 12, 2007 7:24 PM EST reply actions

Carl Everett, Milton Bradley

AJ Pierzynski

Any other douchebags I missed?

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Dec 12, 2007 7:39 PM EST reply actions

roger clemens douches

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 7:41 PM EST up reply actions

kevin brown

by Man Mountain on Dec 12, 2007 7:43 PM EST up reply actions

Bret Boone, Aaron Boone

and Chris Sabo

by cesarhernandez on Dec 12, 2007 7:45 PM EST reply actions

But isn't Chris Sabo

very concerned about effects on his testi-cleez?

by Gray on Dec 12, 2007 11:18 PM EST up reply actions

Ray Boone, Bob Boone & Pat Boone

"Cool Papa Bell hit a line drive right past my ear. I turned around and saw the ball hit his ass sliding into second." - Satchel Paige

by Madville on Dec 12, 2007 11:31 PM EST up reply actions

can i pick albert belle?

is he off the table? i figure he is such a no-brainer that he would have been implicated by now.

is it April yet?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 12, 2007 7:45 PM EST reply actions

Also...

Marcus Giles and Brian Giles

by cesarhernandez on Dec 12, 2007 7:46 PM EST reply actions

If Frank Thomas

is on the list, I will be crushed. If Craig Biggio is on the list I will be overjoyed. If David Eckstein is on the list, drinks all around.

by Man Mountain on Dec 12, 2007 7:51 PM EST reply actions

I put a hundy on the FJM Superfecta

Eckstein-Jeter-Erstad-Podsednik

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Dec 12, 2007 7:56 PM EST up reply actions

I will be shocked...

...if Jeter is on the list. Canseco said that Jeter would be the best player anyone ever saw if he used 'roids, but he absolutely refused.

Canseco did imply A-Rod might have juiced, though.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2007 8:02 PM EST up reply actions

I would LOVE it if that punk

Jeter is on the list....along with that putz Cal Ripken.

Oh, and I think Eric Gagne is a slam-dunk.

by cesarhernandez on Dec 12, 2007 8:03 PM EST up reply actions

Luis Gonzales

He's love out here in Phoenix, but still everyone knows it.

Has anyone said Nomar?

by artvandelay on Dec 12, 2007 7:54 PM EST reply actions

loved*

by artvandelay on Dec 12, 2007 7:55 PM EST reply actions

How about

Curt Schilling?

by cesarhernandez on Dec 12, 2007 7:56 PM EST reply actions

Nah

He's a Red Sox, Mitchell would never let his name get on the list. Then again, he is also a Republican....

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Dec 12, 2007 8:05 PM EST up reply actions

mike stanton

that would entertain me

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 8:21 PM EST reply actions

what about joe girardi?

he played with sosa twice and with all those jacked up colorado players. that would be very interesting.

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 8:26 PM EST reply actions

Dean Palmer

Rusty Greer

And it's been on my fingertips for weeks so even though MM typed it here first: Kevin Brown

And at a certain point in Texas Rangers history, aren't Canseco, Palmeiro, Gonzalez, Sierra, Palmer, Pudge and Brown all on the same team? And at that certain point wasn't cough:NolanRyan:coughcough on that team?

There. There's your tear-the-roof-off-the-fucker longshot.

Never go with a hippie to a second location.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 12, 2007 8:37 PM EST reply actions

1992

Pudge, palmeiro, gonzalez, sierra, canseco, julio franco, kevin brown, kenny rogers and nolan ryan. i dont think ryan is even eligible for nomination, though, because it sounds like all the mets' guy's info comes from 1995-2005. Nolan retired in 93.

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 8:47 PM EST up reply actions

Was Jamie Moyer ever a Ranger?

Never go with a hippie to a second location.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 12, 2007 9:03 PM EST up reply actions

yep 89-90

and he played for Baltimore too

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Dec 12, 2007 9:05 PM EST up reply actions

Yes

There was a cute girl in my 8th grade art class with the same name, but somehow this didn't impress her. At least I wasn't the guy who brought in the Donruss card to prove it.

by ken on Dec 12, 2007 9:08 PM EST up reply actions

8th grade art class girls prefer Topps.

Never go with a hippie to a second location.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 12, 2007 11:40 PM EST up reply actions

that

would be awesome. But Nolan Ryan was a man-god, so he didn't really need steroids. He just needed to exist.

by bobestes on Dec 12, 2007 11:45 PM EST up reply actions

You should see the list I put together...

I was sick, and bored... a nice hundred names or so... haha

Reds: WS Champs 2008... and every year after...

by crolfer on Dec 12, 2007 8:52 PM EST reply actions

I wanna see it.

But don't post it until after Boobs and Menace get this pool going. You don't wanna tip anyone off.

Crolfer, how old were you when Sosa and McGwire broke Maris's record?

Never go with a hippie to a second location.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 12, 2007 9:00 PM EST up reply actions

if im right, though im rarely right,

he was 6

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 9:01 PM EST up reply actions

Sure...

let's see... it was 98... 91+94/32 carry the 5, divide by my future college roomate...

I would've been 7...

Reds: WS Champs 2008... and every year after...

by crolfer on Dec 12, 2007 11:56 PM EST up reply actions

Did you have Pogs?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 12, 2007 11:59 PM EST up reply actions

...eh?

Reds: WS Champs 2008... and every year after...

by crolfer on Dec 13, 2007 12:05 AM EST up reply actions

Pogs might have been before your time.

Like 1993.

Never go with a hippie to a second location.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 13, 2007 12:08 AM EST up reply actions

oh...

my god... i've seen those things... they are terrifying... i know what you're talking about now...

Reds: WS Champs 2008... and every year after...

by crolfer on Dec 13, 2007 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

Some kids had quite a collection.

Never go with a hippie to a second location.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 13, 2007 12:14 AM EST up reply actions

Man...

That lunch box is SO ten years ago...

Reds: WS Champs 2008... and every year after...

by crolfer on Dec 13, 2007 12:17 AM EST up reply actions

when's your birthday?

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by boobs on Dec 13, 2007 12:04 AM EST up reply actions

May 23...

Reds: WS Champs 2008... and every year after...

by crolfer on Dec 13, 2007 12:10 AM EST up reply actions

then you were 6 for 23 of mcgwire's homers

by the by, i had a shit ton of pogs.

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by boobs on Dec 13, 2007 12:27 AM EST up reply actions

haha

gotcha

Reds: WS Champs 2008... and every year after...

by crolfer on Dec 13, 2007 12:37 AM EST up reply actions

ineligible

So have has already been named to a sufficient degree to be ineligible for our pool?

Canseco
Grimsley
Caminitti
Bonds
Palmero (and everyone who's flunked a test that's public)
Luis Gonzalez? Is this more than speculation?

Please add more

I don't think Clemens has been sufficiently outed. As for Brett Boone, wasn't that just Canseco writing that Boone winked at him when he was on second (in a preseason when it was determined Canseco never reached base against the Mariners)? I feel like Brett should be fair game.

by Red Menace on Dec 12, 2007 9:03 PM EST reply actions

oh, and Sosa

Can we close the book on him?

by Red Menace on Dec 12, 2007 9:04 PM EST up reply actions

here we go

Thanks ken, for your work. Here's and incredibly thorough list from http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com

Admitted Users (17)
Ken Caminiti - Steroids
Barry Bonds - Steroids
Bobby Estalella - Steroids and hGH
Jason Giambi - Steroids and hGH
Jeremy Giambi - Steroids
Armando Rios - Steroids and hGH
Benito Santiago - Steroids and hGH
Gary Sheffield - Steroids
Jose Canseco - Steroids and hGH
Tom House - Steroids
Wally Joyner - Steroids
Paxton Crawford - Steroids and hGH
Jason Grimsley - Steroids and hGH
Jim Leyritz - hGH
David Segui - hGH
John Rocker - hGH
Paul Byrd - hGH

Implicated Players (29)
Mark McGwire - Steroids
Manny Alexander - Steroids
Chuck Finley - Steroids
Marvin Bernard - Steroids and hGH
Randy Velarde - Steroids
Wilson Alvarez - Steroids and hGH
Bret Boone - Steroids
Ozzie Canseco - Steroids
Juan Gonzalez - Steroids and hGH
Dave Martinez - Steroids
Ivan Rodriguez - Steroids and hGH
Tony Saunders - Steroids and hGH
Miguel Tejada - Steroids
Lenny Dykstra - Steroids and hGH
Dave Hollins - Steroids
Roger Clemens - "PE Drugs"
Andy Pettitte - "PE Drugs"
Brian Roberts - Steroids
Jay Gibbons - Steroids
Gary Matthews Jr. - hGH
Jerry Hairston Jr. - hGH
David Bell - hCG
Darren Holmes - Steroids and hGH
Rick Ankiel - hGH
Troy Glaus - Steroids
Scott Schoeneweis - Steroids
Matt Williams - Steroids and hGH
Jose Guillen - Steroids and hGH
Ismael Valdez - hGH

MLB Posiive Tests (16)
Alex Sanchez - Unknown
Jorge Piedra - Unknown
Agustin Montero - Unknown
Jamal Strong - Unknown
Juan Rincon - Unknown
Rafael Betancourt - Unknown
Rafael Palmeiro - Stanzolol (Steroid)
Ryan Franklin - Unknown
Mike Morse - Unknown
Carlos Almanzar - Unknown
Felix Heredia - Unknown
Matt Lawton - Boldenone (Steroid)
Yusaku Iriki - Unknown
Guillermo Mota - Unknown
Juan Salas - Unknown
Dan Serafini - Unknown
Non-MLB Positive Tests (2)
Termel Sledge - Precursor (Andro)
Derrick Turnbow - Precursor (Andro)

The only question is to what degree the "implicated players" were outed, and whether we can still pick any of them.

by Red Menace on Dec 12, 2007 9:09 PM EST up reply actions

Did Sheff admit to it?

That wouldn't be consistent. I'd have to concetrate on that one for a bit.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Dec 12, 2007 9:13 PM EST up reply actions

i get the fjm ref

so im not sure if there's a real underlying question there, but in case there is, shef did admit to using, he just said that since he didnt put it in his butt it wasnt using steroids. that's one of my all-time favorite explanations

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by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 9:18 PM EST up reply actions

Whoa

Sheff admitted steroid use? I thought he always denied it. Claimed people suspected him because his uncle, Dwight Gooden, was a cokehead.

And Lenny Dykstra? Say it ain't so!

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by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2007 9:17 PM EST up reply actions

see below

he used the cream and the clear, but he didn't shoot it in his butt.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 9:21 PM EST up reply actions

Sheff never admitted it

He once said Bonds' trainer put some cream on his knee when he accidentally ripped some stitches out. But he said he had no reason to believe it was a steroid, and also that it didn't help his knee or his stats.

Not saying I believe him, but he didn't admit to using 'roids.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2007 9:44 PM EST up reply actions

In the interest of creativity,

all of these names should be off limits. Use your biases to name names rather than Google! Even without these guys there are plenty of others to choose from.

by ken on Dec 12, 2007 9:23 PM EST up reply actions

sounds fair

I'll work on posting the official rules.

by Red Menace on Dec 12, 2007 9:32 PM EST up reply actions

Menace

Post some rules/scoring. And I leave it to you to determine which list is the official list of ineligible players.

And remember, rumor is that there will be former players and Larry Starr said players were using as early as 1984.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Dec 12, 2007 9:14 PM EST reply actions

re

I think I'll post a new diary, even though in general I'm against that sort of thing. The press conference is scheduled for 2pm tomorrow.

Sheffield's admission was from the leaked Balco grand jury testimony, like Bonds'.

Basically the only player on the "implicated" list I wonder about is Clemens. We all think he used something, but it's all hearsay so far and he's such a big name I have trouble imagining he'd be named in the report.

Note that Sosa isn't on that big list I posted.

by Red Menace on Dec 12, 2007 9:25 PM EST up reply actions

how can sosa not be on that list?

he's never been directly implicated? By anyone?

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Dec 12, 2007 9:38 PM EST up reply actions

Griffey and A-Rod..

Whether or not they are in the report they are juicers!

Put in a quarter...Turn out the lights...Magic Fingers makes ya feel alright!

by chandrathan on Dec 12, 2007 9:49 PM EST reply actions

What?????

After that SI article, about how Griffey and Bonds talked about steroids, and Bonds went one way and Griffey went the other?

Griffey? Man, I'd put him with Jeter as players I'd be shocked to find out were juicers.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2007 9:56 PM EST up reply actions

No doubt in my mind Griffey used the Roids...

Normal people don't break down the way he has...

Put in a quarter...Turn out the lights...Magic Fingers makes ya feel alright!

by chandrathan on Dec 12, 2007 10:57 PM EST up reply actions

I dunno...

There's a theory in sports medicine that gifted athletes are often very prone to injury. They have muscles faster, stronger, more explosive than normal people do. But they have the same bones, tendons, and ligaments as normal people, so they tend toward injury. The Ferrari engine is too much for the Corolla chassis.

I think Hamilton might be another one like that. I don't think he used 'roids. But I do think he's an extraordinarily gifted athlete who is very injury prone...and is at risk for becoming even more so as he ages and wears down his body playing every day.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 12, 2007 11:17 PM EST up reply actions

'than you're assuming that Jr. is normal?

His athleticism has beer supernormal since he was a kid. Eric Davis broke down similarly and he's 'roidaddict.

"Cool Papa Bell hit a line drive right past my ear. I turned around and saw the ball hit his ass sliding into second." - Satchel Paige

by Madville on Dec 15, 2007 11:20 AM EST up reply actions

Ok, it's up

http://www.redreporter.com/story/2007/12/12/214828/17

by Red Menace on Dec 12, 2007 9:50 PM EST reply actions

lol

I feel like it's Christmas Eve.

But in the end I am expecting nothing but a bunch of scrubs everyone has barely heard of. If we get an honest to God huge name like Cal Ripken I will be shocked.

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde

by JD Arney on Dec 12, 2007 11:16 PM EST reply actions

I'm guessing there will be a lot of catchers.

Chris Hoiles, for instance.

I wanted to put him on my list in the pool but I squoze in a few former Reds to try to get them double points!

Has anybody ever heard Roberto Alomar mentioned as a possible juicer? I've always thoufght there was something odd about the way his career just fell off a cliff. Former O... Former Met... I dunno.

No? How about Tuffy Rhodes?

Never go with a hippie to a second location.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 12, 2007 11:28 PM EST up reply actions