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Who's testing positive for steroids now....

Most of you have probably heard about 2 more positive steroid tests one in the AL and one in the NL. MLB will not reveal names until after the appeal process but....

Rumor has it....Roger Clemens

This has apparently been confirmed by multiple sources inside MLB who say he is in the process of appealing. Take it with a grain of salt but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if this comes out in the next few days. I believe this is the announcement of the player that will supposedly 'bring baseball to its knees'

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Nooooooo
I just traded for him in my fantasy league....

by TheDude on Aug 18, 2005 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

the rocket
if true is he out of the HOF w/ Palmeiro?
"Baseball is a simple game. You throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball." ~Manager Joe "Skip" Riggins, Durham Bulls

by Caleb on Aug 18, 2005 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

No
Rocket isn't a fring HOFer like Palmero.  He may be having possibly the best pitching season EVER.  His ERA is absolutely out of this world.  Even if he's on the juice he's still a HOFer.  Just not first ballot.

by Tyler on Aug 18, 2005 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

rumor has it?
from who, your college buddy?

Let's see some sources (links)

by bobestes on Aug 18, 2005 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

rumor has it?
It's easy to point a finger at a 43 year old pitcher with a 1.32 ERA, .733 Win%, and a .255 slugging average.  I'll admit it, when I red your comment, I thought "yah, its possible, he's old but he's still good, he must be on something." Then I gave my head a shake.

Compare his stats with his previous 10 years.  He's been stellar nearly every season in his 10+ year in the MLB yet you'll notice a slight steady decline over the last 5.  Why point a finger now?  

I'll tell you why.  Baseball fans are growing more and more interested in the politics surrounding the sport than the sport itself.  This 'roids scare is a perfect example.  Canseco puts out a book, nearly immediately recognized as the same calliber as a 'US Weekly' smut magazine.  Then, a couple of his predictions surface, and soon after, people start taking the book as serious as a King James Version of the Bible.

What about last year, or the year before?  To me, his numbers look normal.  Orel Hershiser hovered around 2.50 for most of his career, and slowly declined to a 4.00.  Why is Rocket any different? To me this is a old guy reliving his glory days and blowing some heaters past some young kids.

Curt Schilling, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, Nolan Ryan, Tom Henke, Orel Hershiser... Why not criticize any one of these players?

by strike3 on Aug 18, 2005 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Proof
I think we're all waiting for actual proof, not rumors, before pointing fingers.  A rumor is just that--a rumor.

Personally, I wouldn't believe Clemens took steroids until there was proof, but rumors are still interesting speculation.

"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." -Sparky Anderson

by boohiss on Aug 18, 2005 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

clemens, sosa, manny ramirez, david ortiz, giambi
there all on some designer steroids, flaxseed oil, or some other cream.

by ipod on Aug 18, 2005 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

NO CHANCE
all of them are.

Sosa:  Have you seen him, he is a rail, he's definitly off whatever he was on before.

Giambi:  He had a Tumor last year, and would quite literally be risking his life.  No reason that he would risk it again when his money is already guarenteed.

Ortiz:  He's flabby and there is little chance I'd say he's on.

ManRam and Clemens are the only two I see could possibly(I don't think either are actually on it)be on the juice.  It's not worth it to I wouldn't think.  Plus, do you really think ManRam is smart enough to juice without screwing it up, I thought not.

by Tyler on Aug 18, 2005 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

"Best Season Ever"
Have you ever heard of a Mr. Bob Gibson, Clemens doesnt even come close. He cant make it to 9 IP and his auxillary stats arent even as comparable.

The pitcher having the "best year" right now is Chris Carpenter. ERA, Wins, K's, K:BB, WHIP, BA, GAME SCORES, CG, SHO, hes got it all. And that is your Cy Young

by cardsrams82 on Aug 19, 2005 2:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree
       IP        ER     ERA    H    BB    K    WHIP
RC 170.1     29     1.53  113   46   155   0.93
CC 180.1     45     2.25  137   39   169   0.98

     K/BB     K/9   Oops   Oavg   CG   SHO    W
RC   3.37    8.19   .522   .195     0     0       11
CC   4.33    8.43   .575   .212     6     4       17

      VORP    PK_RA  HR/9   BABIP  WS   PR
RC    74.9    1.59     0.33    2.39     23   55
CC    65.3    2.52     0.60    2.69     16   45

They look very close if you ask me.  I'd have to give it to Clemens, and I hate Clemens.

Maybe Carpenter will pull ahead in the last month, or maybe something will come of these rumors.  Right now the best argument for Carpenter is his complete games and Game Scores reflects this (anyone know where I can find average GS?), but my heart follows the metrics that show Clemens with a decent edge.

by Red Menace on Aug 19, 2005 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

best season
And discussions of best season ever should include Pedro's 1999 or 2000 (ERA+ 245, 285). Gibson's '68 measures 258.  For all intents and purposes Pedro has the record.  Tim Keefe recorded a 294 in 100 innings in 1880.

by Red Menace on Aug 19, 2005 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

that dude is on roids or some other juice OBVIOUS
I can't wait to see how stupid the people who are defending Roger Clemens will look when the proof finally does come out.  I will be laughing in your face. =)

lol, clemens just lost three straight decisions since his 'rumored' positive test. Didn't even last three innings yesterday.  Hmm...lmao, wonder why.  Suddenly the rocket's out of fuel? I've been suspecting this loser since last year.

To everyone defends Roger Clemens based on Nolan Ryan's stats:
Nolan Ryan pitched well after he hit 40, but if you look at his stats, they were pretty much in steady decline as he got older. His best ERA and opponents batting average did not come after he turned 40.  Roger is enjoying his BEST opponents BA and ERA of his career at age 43 (as of the time of this writing 9-10-05.  He still has to finish the season without his roids, which will cause his stats to suffer, no doubt.)!!

Couple this with the fact that his second best ERA came in 1990 when he was 28 years old.  Back then, the average league ERA was a lot lower than it is now, so that makes this season's ERA even more phenomenal.  Sorry guys, at age 43, this kind of stuff just doesn't happen.  

You don't outperform your former 28 year old self at the age of 43, unless you were a complete underachiever in the past.  Either that or, well, you're doing something you shouldn't be doing.  

by redreporter on Sep 10, 2005 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

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