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Nine Questions in Search of an Author

From Fay's Enquirer article this morning.

These are questions that have been asked many, many times and in many different ways around here all season, but I thought this might give some of us a chance to put together a complete plan for the rest of this season and the off-season.

Also, it might be more interesting to answer these before reading Fay's article (nothing new there really).

The questions:

  1. Who is the skipper?
  2. Will Adam stay or go?
  3. Is Keppinger for real?
  4. Who are Nos. 3, 4, and 5?
  5. Who's the closer?
  6. Who sets it up?
  7. Who's on first?
  8. Do you play Jay?
  9. What's the payroll? (I'm not sure what we can say about this)
Are these the most important questions Reds management has before them? Can you think of any other things the club needs to address? Some Krivsky Bonus Points: "I've got a plan! And it's as HOT AS MY PANTS!!!!"

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Biggest question:
Is Krivsky still the guy?

I, like many around here, am really questioning if he is.  But I also feel that Castellini gives him at least one more year.  The fact that we haven't been able to better compete in the Comedy Central is a real travesty.  It's only going to stay laughably bad for so long, so we'd better make hay while the sun shines.  Is it better to hope for the best with Krivsky under the "blind squirrel" theory, or should we change horses in midstream and hire a new GM (Jocketty?) who might take a couple years to implement a new plan?  And how many more mixed metaphors can I cram in this ol' onion bag?

by Brendanukkah on Aug 19, 2007 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

mixed metaphors
that's racist
"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 19, 2007 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some say you can't teach an old dog new tricks
but maybe Wayner is learning from his mistakes and is a getting better. While he hasn't been able to unload Hatte and Conine, he also didn't undersell. His strength seems to be acquiring position players (Ross, Phillips, Hamilton, etc). The jury is still out on Keppinger, but he seems to be a good pick up thus far. Obviously, he seems to be an incredibly poor judge of pitching talent. Hopefully he and organization realizes this weakness and they/he can get some better consulting/scouting on which pitchers will help this team ("Dear RR..."). That being said, I don't understand why we're holding back on some of the players in AA and AAA.

If that happens, maybe we'll see a division contending team next year. I'm in the camp that thinks we're a few pieces away from being able to do that.

This situation reminds me of a scene in the movie "New Jack City"... (-Deion Sanders)

by satyanaas on Aug 19, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. 2 has to be the most important
everything hinges on dunn. If he stays, that's gonna likely keep bruce in the minors for another season -- unless jr. or hamilton get hurt. So you could just count on jr. or hamilton getting hurt, re-sign dunn and not worry about bruce until there's a spot for him.

After that, the only pressing move (I think) is to trade Hatteberg. Get something out of him, votto should make the team out of spring training and play almost every day (with someone else [Keppinger?] providing a soft platoon). Bailey is No. 3, open auditions for Nos. 4 and 5, and if Cueto is the best of the rest, he should make the team out of camp. I honestly dont think our bullpen is that bad if all the right guys are there -- McBeth, Cooter, Burton, Bray, Weathers then a couple at take your pick. All those guys have shown shutdown stuff at times, but most of them (all but weathers) just havent reached their peaks yet.

One other question that needs to be addressed, though, is what to do at short. Even if Kepp immediately falls back to earth, is it wise to hold onto sea bass knowing his defense has taken a sharp decline and his offense is spotty? Especially when we have several young shortstop prospects in the pipeline. I really like gonzalez, but moving him could be the best option in the offseason.

Ultimately, I say go youth next year, let all our best guys take their lumps and hope to god for a sophomore splash.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Aug 19, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Gonzalez
I have to take issue with your characterization of Sea Bass.  As far as his defense goes, most metrics I've seen show him as dead league average.  Maybe not what we were hoping for, but league average D at shortstop is certainly valuable.

And his bat has to be viewed as a pleasant surprise.  Do you realize he has a better OPS than Phillips?  Or that he has only 5 less HR's and 15 less RBI's than The Franchise despite 150 less AB's?  You can't tell me that Phillips is an offensive cornerstone while saying that Sea Bass's bat has been spotty.  Their numbers are almost exactly the same.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Aug 19, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

my point
was to look at gonzalez's offense over his career. He's having the best offensive year of his career, what I'm saying is there's no way he duplicates it. his defense, however, will likely continue to slide, and league-average D is not the reason we signed him to a 5M-a-year deal. Janish could probably outplay him on the field.

I'm not summarizing his season. I'm trying to project the next two.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Aug 19, 2007 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay Bruce
Assuming we do the right thing by Dunn and sign him, why not bring Bruce up as the 5th outfielder? He'll get plenty of spot starts in Center and RF (I think he can play both, right?) Trade Hopper for a pitching prospect.
This situation reminds me of a scene in the movie "New Jack City"... (-Deion Sanders)

by satyanaas on Aug 19, 2007 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

jr.
Trading Junior (instead of not picking up Dunn's option) is also a possibility to open up a spot for Bruce.  
2-0 count: one pitch, one zone

by rojosoto on Aug 20, 2007 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Hey Adam...
I've got this really nifty contract extension I'd like for you to sign. Oh yeah, and I found this really cool first baseman's mit on sale. Try it on. See if fits better that your old one. Cuz there's this kid down in Louisville who looks a lot like a your Adam Dunn, except for the fact that he's actully a really good outfielder...."

by matchu522 on Aug 20, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The big question
that the Reds have to decide upon is when are they going to go all out to compete?  If it's not 2008, then they better not waste time with players that aren't in the 2009 plans.  That is, don't bring Hatteberg back to take at bats away from Votto.  Go ahead and dump Dunn and let Bruce get his feet wet.    Don't blow a bunch of money on late-30s bullpen help.  Don't overspend on a generic starter.  Etc...

If they do think that 2008 is a realistic chance to compete, then it's time for some tough decisions.  If Mike Stanton has lost it, dump him.  If Ryan Freel has lost it, dump him.  Keep Dunn.  Etc..

What I don't want to see is an in between team like we had this year, full of spare parts and excess spending while young players are stuck in the minors biding their time.  Put the best team on the field or make sure everyone is ready to make a solid run in 2009.

I'm a numbers freak, numbers freak. I'm numbers freaky, ow.

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2007 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Uninformed answers
Here's my hopes and beliefs of what might happen (without doing any research, looking up stats, or even reading Fay's article):
  1. It won't be Mackanin.  I think Castellini has a jones for a big "name" manager.  He wanted to bring in Pinella, and the names of Dusty Baker, Bob Brenly, and Tony LaRussa have floated up throughout the season.  I think getting a name would symbolize in Castellini's mind his commitment to winning.  For my money, Johnny Narron should be placed in a rocking chair in front of Great American Ball Park, holding a shotgun, and if Brenly or Baker show their face, he needs to tell them to just keep moving on.  I'd be alright with LaRussa.  I don't like him, but I have the most faith in his managerial abilities from that group.  He also might be able to bend Castellini's ear into prying open the coffers for a key free-agent pickup (a la McGwire, Rolen, and Edmonds).  In midseason, it looked like LaRussa was a sure thing to bail on St. Louis.  Now he's got the Cardinals back in the hunt, so who knows?  He may still be keen to leave, but now he's a more desirable commodity, and his pricetag will go up.  My money is still on him to be helming the Redlegs next year.
  2. Adam should stay.  No question.  They should definitely pick up his option, and probably look towards extending him.  At the very least, play him for the first half of the season and then trade him when his no-trade clause is partially voided.  I believe he'll be back.  He's played too well this year for Castellini and Krivsky to be swayed by the braying masses.  Krivsky might be feeling a little gunshy from the Trade still, but I have to believe that management feels like it can get more for Dunn in a trade at the deadline than whatever they would pickup in the draft by letting him walk.  Remember, these are men that enjoy "proven" commodoties.  So yes, Dunn will be back next year, and it's my fervent hope that he'll be in left field for years to come.
  3. Keppinger's earned every right to stay with the club.  But what's his role?  I like him best as a bench player, but I would give him all of Spring Training to earn a starting position.  His most natural position (or the easiest for him to take in the infield) is third base.  I can definitely see Krivsky dealing EdE, which would be okay if I wasn't so sure that he'd also be fleeced when he does so.  The other option has been to put him in left field, but this is bad for so many reasons (they shouldn't move Dunn, Bruce should be ahead of him on the outfield depth chart, I actually might prefer Kepp to NoHo though).  I want to see this team make an honest commitment to EdE, but I see a spring training battle between him and Kepp.
  4. Bailey is one of the answers.  The free agent class is so weak that it shouldn't be any of them (although I wouldn't mind seeing Lohse back as a back of the rotation starter).  Let's hope Krivsky realizes this and doesn't try to sign a Meche or Suppan type deal.  I would like to see Ramirez given a shot, preferably with a manager who won't abuse him.  (Arroyo needs to not be abused either.  Let's ditch the rubber arm label once and for all.)  Dumatrait has scared me.  I'm interested in what Cueto can do, and want him to get a good long look in spring training.  There's the possibility that a trade happens and we get a starter there (I have no confidence that any trade will work out beneficially for us), but I'd like to see the team use their own guys.  A rotation of Harang, Arroyo, Bailey, Cueto, and possibly Livingston (over Belisle and Dumatrait) to be the fifth starter.  Let Bailey and Cueto take their lumps.  Ultimately, we'd be better served with them than anybody else.  And if Krivsky wants to bring in a cheap free agent or waiver pickup (like Lohse) as the 5th starter, that would be okay.
  5. I think they'll stick with Weathers, at least initially, but Burton and Bray certainly deserve looks in spring training.  People will want a "name" closer as well, but there's not one available, and it would be a stupid pickup anyway.
  6. I like Coutlangus as the lefty specialist, and whoever doesn't win the closer role between Burton and Bray (or either, since I still think Weathers will be the closer).  Honestly, as long as Wayne doesn't bring any more ancient mariners (Eddie), I'll be happy letting our young arms go to work.  Also, bring up Carlos Guevara.  Now.  Stanton, Guardado, and Santos should not see work with us again, and Coffey and Majewski should maybe be given a chance in the spring, since they're not 40, but they're hanging on by the slimmest of threads.  I will shed no tears if they're shown the door.
  7. Hatteberg and Votto.  The idea of Dunn at first is still intriguing, but probably one of those "works in theory" ideas.
  8. I play Jay over NoHo and Freel.  I really want Griffey to hit his 600th homer this year so the team can make an earnest effort at moving him in the offseason (send him back to Seattle?).  I still like Dunn, Griffey, and Hamilton as the starting three, but there's enough injuries in there for Bruce to play well.  Bruce should definitely take Hopper's roster spot.
  9.  Something in the $85 million range would be nice, since it'll be at least that much to meaningfully upgrade the team from the outside.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 19, 2007 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Re:
No. 1: I agree the Reds want a "name." Both Brenly and Baker are atrocious.

No. 4: I still think Belisle is better than Livingston, but Bobby (like all good prostitutes) is younger, cheaper and lefthanded.

No. 5: I try to deal Weathers in the off-season, probably in a package. Or I'd wait until early next season when some team (like Philly this year) has an early pitching meltdown and starts to panic.

No. 7: If Hatte has off-season suitors, he has to go.

No. 8: Jay the Bruce should have a chance to start the season. Why? If I'm GM, I'm praying Griffey doesn't hit 600 this season. I think dangling him to Seattle with the promise of the 600 ceremony, passing whoever else on the list, and retiring as an M would be everso enticing to the Mariners front office. Your starting outfielders at that point are all in their 20s, 2 of them are cheap, Hopper and Freel are on the bench and both Votto and Keppinger CAN play the outfield in a pinch.

"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 19, 2007 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll have you know my mom's a righty
I still think Weathers has something in the tank.  I have more faith in his ability to get outs than I do in Wayne's ability to pull off a good trade.  But yeah, if we can get something for Stormy, I'll trade him.

Ditto, Hatte.

Yeah, Griffey's appeal is as much for his milestone march as it is for his baseball skills.  Does our front office have the stones to ship him out before he hits the 600 level?  I'm not sure that they do.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 19, 2007 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

My answers
  1. Ken Macha
  2. STAY
  3. If you're expecting a decent utility guy who will give you a .280/.340/.450 line playing decent defense at 3 positions, then Yes.  If you're expecting a 3B starter who's a .350 hitter despite little power and speed, then No.
  4. Bailey, Livingston, Lizard.  I'm not committing free agent dollars to a back-of-the-rotation guy again.
  5. Burton
  6. Bray from the left side, and either Salmon or McBeth from the right
  7. Votto
  8. The Boss starts in AAA, and is called up to start if Griff or Hobbs gets hurt.  Should get 300AB's that way, and doesn't burn a year of service time.
  9. If they have a good offseason and can deal Freel, Stanton and Weathers without taking on any salary, it should be around $55 million.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Aug 19, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Votto
Rosecrans said last night when asked why Votto isn't being called up: "it looks like hatterberg will be around for another year... the reds brass, from what i hear, isn't too high on votto. they see him as an aaaa type player."

by pw on Aug 19, 2007 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

ha.
thats funny. what do they really think?
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Aug 19, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they really see Votto as an AAAA player,
trade him.  The trade value of a 23 year-old, top 50 prospect with six years left of controlled cost is much more than the value of a backup 1B.  

by ken on Aug 19, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the kid
will hit. 15-25 hrs 85+bi. Give him a shot. I do like Hatteberg but I think he has more value in a trade
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Aug 19, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

answers
Who is the skipper? MTBNL. How else can you start a new three year plan?

Will Adam stay or go? Go

Is Keppinger for real? No

Who are Nos. 3, 4, and 5? Bailey, Cueto and Belisle

Who's the closer? Auditions open

Who sets it up? Weathers

Who's on first? Votto

Do you play Jay? Yes in lieu of Dunn

What's the payroll? (I'm not sure what we can say about this)120 million. Oh wait, that is our whatif payroll. Whatever it is increase it 10% (minimum)

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Aug 19, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there a cheat sheet for these questions?
Frankly, the reason the Reds are in the position they are in today is because:
  1. Bowden didn't know how to draft for pitching (or practically anything else, for that matter). Give O'Brien and Krivsky credit: the Reds minors are not a disaster area as they were for years. There is some real talent down there now.
  2. Signing Griffey to a long term contract, and the resulting injury filled years and non-production, using up the limited payroll the Reds have had.
  3. Signing Barry Larkin to another big contract in 2000, with more years of non-production, using up more of the limited payroll.
  4. Eric Milton. 'Nuff said.
I lay three of the four at the feet of ....Carl Linder. Thank Cool God that he is out of the picture.

Bob Castelini's mission, should he choose to accept it, is to get someone from outside the organization (say, like Jack McKeon?) to evaluate the Red's talent and give him his appraisal of the talent and potential, and which direction the club should go.  Use this "confidential evaluation" to push Krivsky in his player movements, etc. If Krivsky insists on continuing to make stupid player moves, it's time to show him the door.  Who is Billy Beane's assistant GM?

Until we really get a direction on player personnel, it's just so much re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

I personally would "go young", because old guys just get older.  I know.  I'm an old guy.

Stop going to the Twins because Krivsky has talent evaluations up his ying-yang from his years as Assistant GM.

  1. Manager 2008: Bobby Valentine
  2. Adam stays, for now
  3. Keppinger is for real, he's not a Cylon, but he's not gonna bat .370 for a season.
  4. 3 starter: Livingston
   4 starter: Homer, if he's 100% next spring
   5 starter: Elizardo, he can pitch
Cueto starts the year in AAA, unless he has an untouchable Spring Training. We also will not see Cueto in September, because he will have too many innings on his arm after the AA Playoffs. Go figure.
  1. Closer: Weathers, for now. He's earned it, until he loses it.
  2. Set-up: Burton and Bray (righty/lefty)
  3. Who's on first? If it was my team, it would be Dunn, but it being the Reds, I would bet that Hatteberg will be there on opening day (if the pitcher is a righty!).
  4. I would play Jay (with Dunn on First), but this being the Reds, he will start the year in AAA.
  5. Payroll: $82,745,650.99. approximately.
If I'd known I was gonna live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.

by Lonesome George on Aug 19, 2007 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

What about the Catcher, The Bench and Gapper?
1.Who is the skipper? Bob will go with Bob Brenly, big big mistake
  1. Will Adam stay or go? I think he'll stay but don't count on Griffey for next year
  2. Is Keppinger for real? Yes unless he's David Ross'cousin
  3. #3 Livingston #4 Bailey # Elizardo
# Who's the closer? Burton
# Who sets it up? Weathers and Bray
# Who's on first? Hatteberg
# Do you play Jay? He should take Griffey's spot
# What's the payroll? (I'm not sure what we can say about this)Whatever Bob says.

What fun, maybe this exercise is what Sweaterpants and the Boss do for fun over the winter, except they are not as smart about the Reds as we.

They say it is all over in the blink of an eye. Don't Blink.

by Madville on Aug 20, 2007 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

oh man!
Can I be the daughter that falls for the guy for the man she doesn't know is her father while being whored out by the dress shop lady?
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Aug 20, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry
John Fay already has that part. He was actually quite adamant about it. It was the only way he'd let me link to his column.
"Two Dunn's enter, but only one Dunn will leave...unless neither do because they decide to play cards, drink beer, golf, and fish."--SlydeFrog

by Man Mountain on Aug 20, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here we go
  1. Brenly
  2. No
  3. A real good back up IF
  4. No Idea
  5. Burton
  6. Weathers/Jon C
  7. I would like Dunn but It will be Hatty again
  8. I would
  9. Pretty Close to what it is now
"A lot of good ballgames on tomorrow, but we're going to be right here with the Cubs and the Mets." -Thom Brennaman, Chicago Cubs broadcaster.

by Zach K on Aug 20, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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