Game Thread Part 2/Eventual Bitch Session
I'll go ahead and throw this up for the last inning and the inevitable venting that will take place afterward.
If you would like, we could save time and just link to any number of game threads from last year. The more things change...
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for some reason
losses like these don't just get brushed off
we did last night...
was hopper praying toward mecca on that fly ball?
Throw this up is right.
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
Reds have to win with Arroyo/Harang
I had forgotten that...
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
#1 to #30
Coutlangus got the first out. Make him the closer. He can't do any worse.
Coffey, Cormier
by nlt-andrew68 on Apr 19, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll head down to the ballpark
by JJ on Apr 19, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Brian B
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
or maybe not....
by nlt-andrew68 on Apr 19, 2007 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow

2007 Reds Threat Level is Yellow
Let's just send the bullpen down to AAA...
yes
I highly doubt it...
it was pretty bad
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Jason Lane
except for coffey...
You've only got that one thing?
(I do agree with you.)
by Alan @ Red Reporter on Apr 19, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of Luis Polonia...
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
A Berkman homer
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
What's funny is
looks like morron...
Why is it...
Because by then, the damage has been done...
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Coutlangus for set up man...
he at least looks salvageable
All right, here we go

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LET'S GO REDS
What'd he do...
Maybe last night
Back spasms again?
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PH Castro...
by mattg on Apr 19, 2007 9:46 PM EDT reply actions
Remember when...
Now you have T.S.F. Juan Castro pinch hitting for him.
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
2 wasted games
by mattg on Apr 19, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
I could have done that.
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
MIGHT HAVE BEEN BRIAN B
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Marty said..
Sounds like a day-to-day thing.
by Alan @ Red Reporter on Apr 19, 2007 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
YES!
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS WAS A POOR CHOICE OF RALLY CAP TIME
WELCOME TO CINCINNATI NO-HOP
C'MON, HOPPER!!
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let's not take this out on each other

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****ING BULLPEN
That really sucked.
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
that night sucked
by mattg on Apr 19, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
See my profile in the Wiki.
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I will be very interested to see if Jerry
he sure as hell better...
I might go...
by Alan @ Red Reporter on Apr 19, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
Yep...
That one catch he made was so spectacular, he didn't even have to move.
Yeah..
And Bonds.
by Alan @ Red Reporter on Apr 19, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Worse than last night
that would be may 2, 2005
Oh yes...
CARDINALS 9TH: WEATHERS REPLACED F. LOPEZ (PITCHING);
Molina walked;
Nunez walked [Molina to second];
Eckstein singled to right [Molina to third, Nunez to second];
CEDENO BATTED FOR FLORES;
Cedeno was called out on strikes;
Pujols forced Eckstein (shortstop to second) [Molina scored, Nunez to third];
Sanders singled to left [Nunez scored, Pujols to second];
GRAVES REPLACED WEATHERS (PITCHING);
Edmonds homered [Pujols scored, Sanders scored];
Grudzielanek reached on an error by Casey [Grudzielanek to second];
Mabry homered (unearned) [Grudzielanek scored (unearned)];
Molina singled to second; Nunez singled to second [Molina to second];
Eckstein flied to right;
7 R (5 ER),6 H, 1 E, 2 LOB. Cardinals 10, Reds 9.
Utility Belt Question
I seem to remember...
But that's not to say that Hamilton's isn't much better. And of course there could be any number of players with better starts than Justice but perhaps not as good as Hamilton's.
by Alan @ Red Reporter on Apr 19, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I know you don't really care, but i have a reputation to defend. :)

2007 Reds Threat Level is Yellow
Yeah, I should've explained that better

2007 Reds Threat Level is Yellow
Kevin Maas
Delgado started well too. I think he had 8 in April or something.
Maas HR #5 in 48th AB

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Urk
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I don't know
And I didn't post the details of Delgado's season to say anything about Hamilton. I just thought it was interesting that Delgado had 8 home runs by the end of April but only finished the season with 9. It's not like Delgado isn't a great player. I guess he still had some learning to do (he was only 22 that season).

2007 Reds Threat Level is Yellow
I remember that season...
Then out of nowhere, Delgado was gone. Several years later, he resurfaced, and I was like is that the same dude that used to be awesome?
by chandrathan on Apr 20, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure he would
And it was really Maas I was talking about. The guy who gave NoMaas.org its name.
Rather sobering, and it does drive home that it's still very early. Maas set a record when he hit 10 homers in only 77 ABs, and was runner up for rookie of the year behind Sandy Alomar. The Yankees thought he was going to be the next Mattingly. Instead, he had trouble even sticking in the big leagues. Three years later, the Yanks released him, and a year after that, he was out of baseball completely. He was barely 30 years old.
How can that be? How can someone who seemed to have so much talent fizzle like that? I don't remember hearing that he was injured or anything.
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Here.
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
He could send down someone with options
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and until you realize...
Keep Weathers
Dump Cormier and send Coffey back down.
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i disagree
A good moment for Weathers...
Hi,
by sally on Apr 19, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
Welcome
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Wow...
I think...
by Paul Householder on Apr 19, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
Trent's postgame report
First of all, Bronson said he was out of gas after the seventh. His curveball wasn't working, so he had to throw more fastballs than usual, and that took it out of him. Thought with a 6-2 lead he was OK.Also, asked Jerry why Castro, he seemed peeved at the question. Said he thought he was the best chance to get on base. He didn't want to use Javy without someone on base. Of course, not using Javy meant no one got on base.
Asked him about Junior, and again he seemed upset with the question, saying Junior wasn't even in the ballpark.
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Nuts
by Brendanukkah on Apr 19, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for welcome messages :)
I hope they'll win tomorrow!!
by sally on Apr 19, 2007 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
Can you find us some Japanese Relief Pitchers ?
I have a feeling they wouldn't put up with walking the lead off batter each inning....
by nlt-andrew68 on Apr 19, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe...
Iwase(Chunichi Dragons) will become a FA in August this year. The newspaper says, Mariners are interested in him and Fukudome(Dragons' hitter).
Also, Kawakami(Dragons' ace) become a FA next year. Reds should focus on them. A lot of Japanese players want to play in the big leagues.
Iwase Hitoki(LHP)
(2006) IP:55.1 W2-L2 SV:40 H:40 HR:3 SO:44 BB:8 HBP:0 ERA1.30
(Total) IP517.2 W42-L21 SV:114 ERA:1.91
by sally on Apr 20, 2007 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Great insight
By the way, which NPB team is your favorite? I spent a semester in Tokyo a few years ago and made it out to some Giants and Fighters (the year before they moved to Sapporo) games. I regret not going to more.
Gotta love the name by itself...
(I know, the pronunciation is not quite what it looks like, just like Matsushita.)
by Paul Householder on Apr 20, 2007 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
do you follow Japanese baseball?
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Aaron Guiel
Aaron Guiel (April 19,2007)
AVG:.182 AB:44 R:4 RBI:2 H:8 2B:1 3B:0 HR:0
by sally on Apr 20, 2007 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you very much!
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Unbelievable is a good word for it.
by Alan @ Red Reporter on Apr 19, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
scratch that ----------
maybe I just heard this twice today
too much beer ?
by nlt-andrew68 on Apr 19, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Upon further review
still amazing.
by nlt-andrew68 on Apr 20, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Narron bashing
I don't think Narron had anything to do with the loss tonight. Saarloos, Weathers, and Stanton had all pitched well before tonight. Who else was he supposed to bring in? Obviously, this raises the issue of how good our bullpen is. The answer is: not very. Bill Bray and Gary Majewski are the prospective saviors! Huzzah!
Anyway, this season is far too young to overreact, but jeez, these past couple of games have been frustrating.
Watched the game tonight
After Weathers gave up the 3 runs in the 8th for the tie:
MoFo: "Who's y'alls closer?"
Me: "That's him."
MoFo: "Why did you bring him in in the 8th?"
Me: "To make sure that didn't happen."
MoFo: "What didn't happen?"
Me: "What just happened"
Exeunt, MM getting filthy drunk at bar...
Observations now that I'm less pissed off
- Josh Hamilton continues to amaze me. His current homerun rate is about equal to that of A-Rod, who already has 10 homers. The kid really has everything to not only be a good player, but to be an absolute star, and evidently he has it in him to fulfill some of that right now, which I don't think anyone could have expected.
- For the record, Adam Dunn's batting average of .317 is 70 points above his career mark, yet his OBP of .379 is exactly equal to his career mark. He's on pace for 43 homeruns and just 97 RBIs. Oh, and he's striking out at pretty much the same rate he has in the past. His new approach is nice and pretty for all the idiots on talk radio, but thus far, Adam Dunn's production with a .317 average has been the same as what he was giving us with a .250 average. Hopefully his lack of power thus far (he has three real homeruns this season, and two came in his first two ABs of the season) as well as his fairly poor walk-rate is just Dunn being Dunn (and therefore streaky) and not a byproduct of his changed approach, but you have to wonder.
- Alex Gonzalez's defense has not been anywhere near what it was cracked up to be, and that's not just because of his error tonight. His range has been mediocre and he hasn't been the surehanded guy we're paying almost $5 mil this year. Offensively, he's managing to hit .286 but still be almost completely useless at the plate. He needs to come out of it both offensively and defensively.
- Phillips has some big-time power. Can somebody untell him that? He could definitely hit 30 homers in a season if he keeps swinging at it like he is right now, but he needs to level out his swing if he wants to be all that productive of a player.
- It'd be nice to know what's wrong with Conine.
- I propose that until someone distinguishes himself as not useless, all members of the bullpen should be assigned a letter to be referred to by. They don't deserve names.
- It's a shame that Arroyo can't get a win, and while I'm sure some people will look down on it, I liked his backhanded jab at the bullpen after the game. They deserved it.
- While it ultimately had no bearing on the game, Narron taking out Dunn for Hopper in the top of the 8th was an infuriatingly bad move. First of all, Dunn's defense hasn't been a problem this year. Second of all, he's the team's second best hitter right now. Lastly, Norris Hopper isn't even that good of a defender himself. C'mon, Jerry. You can't start with defensive replacements with two innings left to go when the guy has yet to do any butchering this year.
- Ross and Edwin have to start hitting sometime...right?
Great post
Anyone who is the first overall pick in the amateur draft, especially a high school player, has immense ability. Injuries are usually what keep these young men from making an impact in MLB. I still am amazed that Hamilton has such impressive plate discipline after being away from the game for so long...and truth be told he didnt have good patience previously.
Arroyo is the Hard Luck Kid.
Alex Gonzalez is a tad heavier than I anticipated. I'm not gonna blast him, he's dealing with some pretty major stuff right now off the field.
The bullpen has a ton of serviceable major league pitchers, but no real shining stars. At this point I would consider dialing up Esteban Yan. That's the major problem, along with lack of velocity. I havent checked but I sure hope Ryan Wagner isnt lighting it up in DC.
The recent sweep by the Astros worries me, mainly because it happened @ GABP. Tough losses on the road are easier to shake off. I hate losing in this manner in front of the home crowd.
Dont expect any major upswings in attendance. Winning begets fan interest.
by obc on Apr 20, 2007 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Dunn
After Tuesday night..
by chandrathan on Apr 20, 2007 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The shine is off the big apple..
How about Gonzilla for Posada?
by Alan @ Red Reporter on Apr 20, 2007 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
I've been thinking about that for awhile now
Actually, a lot of Yankee fans have wanted to move Jeet to the outfield for awhile now. He's got the speed, and he's great at catching fly balls (unlike A-Rod). It would let A-Rod play SS.
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