Harang signs LTC

wait a minute

a great pitcher we can expect to have around for a while? holy hellcakes!

"You my friend, are hardcore." - Krivdawg to the bathroom mirror

by rose2hall on Feb 6, 2007 12:56 PM EST reply actions

Best News of the Offseason

by far

by indy on Feb 6, 2007 12:58 PM EST reply actions

awesome awesome awesome

i love mr consistent

by iheartchrissabo on Feb 6, 2007 1:08 PM EST reply actions

Good deal

Finally something that I think we can all be happy about.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 1:08 PM EST reply actions

Puts a little skip in my step

Now, when 2008 rolls around and the Reds make it to the World Series, perhaps Bronson can be persuaded to stick around, since Harangatuan and Homer will be on the staff for the next couple years.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 6, 2007 1:12 PM EST reply actions

oh gosh

the idea just caused me to wet myself

As a Reds fan is it illegal to get this excited over pitching?

"You my friend, are hardcore." - Krivdawg to the bathroom mirror

by rose2hall on Feb 6, 2007 1:18 PM EST up reply actions

yippy skippy!

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Feb 6, 2007 1:18 PM EST reply actions

We got him for cheap...

It's time to trade him for some relievers!

"Hominy is just retarded corn." ~ Chandra

by chandrathan on Feb 6, 2007 1:25 PM EST reply actions

If that happens

I blame you.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 1:28 PM EST up reply actions

I mean it.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 1:28 PM EST up reply actions

Seriously

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 1:29 PM EST up reply actions

I will hunt you down

:P

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 1:29 PM EST up reply actions

Poop...

I'm going to have to join the witness protection program...

"Hominy is just retarded corn." ~ Chandra

by chandrathan on Feb 6, 2007 1:32 PM EST up reply actions

Don't get so excited.

He does not have special powers.

Don't mind me...just thinking positive and pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Feb 6, 2007 11:35 PM EST up reply actions

Pardon my day job...

but is this a Clipse reference?

Party on, Wayne.

by davemaher on Feb 6, 2007 9:24 PM EST up reply actions

It was a no-brainer

Thank God Krivs didn't screw it up! This has restored my early 06' faith that he knows what a baseball is. Happy days!

"Sometimes life kicks you in the teeth, kids.....even when you're eating cake"- obc

by sukr on Feb 6, 2007 1:41 PM EST reply actions

Woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!1!!1

YAY!!!

He who laughs last obviously didn't get the joke.

by Daedalus on Feb 6, 2007 1:51 PM EST reply actions

Someone posted about the Brett Myers deal when that was done last week, but I think this is even better. Myers will be making 5, 8.5 and 12. Assume that their two arb years are the same (Harang may have gotten slightly less because he earned less than Myers in '06), and Harang's last two years are 11 and 12. Those are great values (even if Harang regresses some), esp. when you consider someone like Ted Lilly will be making the same amount and Barry Zito will be making 50% more. Well done.

by ken on Feb 6, 2007 1:52 PM EST reply actions

4 years

Seems like a bit too long to sign him, but Harang has a history of injury free consistency, so I say: hooray!

"Players have two things to do. Play and keep their mouths shut." -Sparky Anderson

by boohiss on Feb 6, 2007 2:00 PM EST reply actions

Great deal

Harang must really enjoy pitching in Cincy if we got him for that price! This should save enough money to lock up Arroyo next offseason and have a solid rotation for a good long time.

by teb7 on Feb 6, 2007 2:05 PM EST reply actions

Arroyo

Why do I feel like we're going to end up looking back on this offseason as a wasted opportunity to trade high? Am I the only one who feels this way?

by greg456 on Feb 6, 2007 2:13 PM EST up reply actions

I don't know

I don't think we'll regret not trading him. Unless he gets injured this season, his value will still be high next off-season because of his low salary. I don't expect him to be as good as he was last year, but I think he will be a little better than average, which means that at the price that he makes he's an incredible value.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 2:15 PM EST up reply actions

good point

I don't think we'll look back on it and say, "Wow, he sure wasn't worth 3.5 million this year." However, his low salary does add to his value on the trade market, so I wonder what the Reds COULD get for him right now, and I wonder if whatever that is will look a lot better than Arroyo does after this year.

by greg456 on Feb 6, 2007 2:42 PM EST up reply actions

Bronson

I dunno, I would only trade Arroyo for a solid catching or shortstop prospect, and I would hope that we're not in the position to be selling this season. The NL is so terrible, 85 wins stands a fighting chance at a playoff spot, and I think a solid, durable pitcher like Arroyo will help the team more than anything we'd get in return.

by teb7 on Feb 6, 2007 5:57 PM EST up reply actions

Catching prospects

The only guys I'd consider blue chippers are Iannetta (DEN) and Saltalamacchia (ATL).

by cggarb on Feb 6, 2007 7:42 PM EST up reply actions

Salty

Saltalamacchia can definitely be had (and that's who I had in mind), given that McCann is probably going to be the best catcher in the NL for the next decade or so. But who knows, the Braves might try to convert Salty to 1B or something, which would probably kill his offensive value.

by teb7 on Feb 7, 2007 1:08 AM EST up reply actions

shh!

Don't screw up everyone's keeper blue chips.

by Red Menace on Feb 7, 2007 1:31 AM EST up reply actions

I do believe

Mr. Castellini just spent some of that money he promised to spend. He spent it well.

Excellent signing.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Feb 6, 2007 2:13 PM EST reply actions

thumbs up

Almost missed this announcement due to snow, sickies and SpongeBob marathon.

Can't believe it wasn't 4/40, however.

So now you know...who got mystified

by ohiobobcat on Feb 6, 2007 2:28 PM EST reply actions

Yeah

it was better. Who knew?

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 2:30 PM EST up reply actions

Nice Move

Hopefully we'll see another big announcement prior to camp opening.

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Feb 6, 2007 2:31 PM EST reply actions

Dunn

if he reads Red Reporter I am sure he is happy this takes the spotlight off of him for a moment or two.

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Feb 6, 2007 2:33 PM EST reply actions

Actually

I hope Dunn doesn't read. It would ruin my ignorant-boy-wonder image of him.

Party on, Wayne.

by davemaher on Feb 6, 2007 9:27 PM EST up reply actions

Nice

I would love to be a fly on the wall for those negotiations just to find out which side likes the other more.

by Brian B on Feb 6, 2007 2:38 PM EST reply actions

Hello and Such

Greetings All,
I've been lurking on this site for close to two years now and thought I should finally say hello to everyone.
I'm quite pleased about the Harang signing but I tend to develop anxiety anytime the Reds find a true quality starter because we historically seem to have horrible luck keeping our star pitchers healthy (O'Toole, Soto, Rijo, etc.). Here's hoping that tradition ends...
Talking about unhealthy pitching, it seems that Dave Williams will be out about 3 months with a herniated disc in his neck.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02062007/sports/mets/mets_lefty_out_for_3_months_mets_mark_hale.htm

by RiverfrontDave on Feb 6, 2007 2:59 PM EST reply actions

Hi, come on in!

Drugs to the right, hookers to the left.

(bonus points)

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 3:03 PM EST up reply actions

Tom Hanks?

Bachelor Party, right? Either that or Apollo 13... one of those Tom Hanks movies.

by TheC on Feb 6, 2007 4:06 PM EST up reply actions

Yep

Though I don't think Hanks said it, it was from Bachelor Party. Look for your bonus points voucher in your mailbox in 6 to 8 weeks.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 4:09 PM EST up reply actions

Hi, Hello and welcome

Glad to have you. Don't forget injured star pitchers Jim Maloney and Wayne Simpson.

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Feb 6, 2007 9:12 PM EST up reply actions

something I'd love to know

Just out of curiosity...

I wonder how many teams besides the Reds got 70 starts from their #1-2 starters. I'm guessing...zero? Maybe one or two others. Can we expect that again? Just a random thought as I just read that both Harang and Arroyo made 35 starts last year.

by greg456 on Feb 6, 2007 3:06 PM EST reply actions

I've got a chart on this somewhere

I was looking at it on the basis of innings pitched, not starts. I'll get back to you.

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 3:13 PM EST up reply actions

i wish i had charts

"You my friend, are hardcore." - Krivdawg to the bathroom mirror

by rose2hall on Feb 6, 2007 3:17 PM EST up reply actions

IP

Innings would be interesting too. How many teams got the 460ish the Reds got from their dynamic duo? I'm not demanding an answer, just expressing further curiosity (although I know you guys will come through for me, it's just a matter of who will get it done first? the race is on).

by greg456 on Feb 6, 2007 3:17 PM EST up reply actions

Not it!

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 3:18 PM EST up reply actions

still thinking out loud

It's downright scary to think how exposed our bullpen was last year despite the innings of Harang and Arroyo. Scary to think how much worse it could have been and will be this year if the duo doesn't repeat their feat.

by greg456 on Feb 6, 2007 3:30 PM EST up reply actions

Tops

Arroyo led the majors in innings and Harrang was third (Brandon Wedd was second) They easily were the top duo from each team.

Arroyo/Harrang 475 innings
Smoltz/Hudson 450 innings
Zito/Harren 444 innings
Webb/Batista 441 innings

by indy on Feb 6, 2007 3:42 PM EST up reply actions

pretty good company there!

He who laughs last obviously didn't get the joke.

by Daedalus on Feb 6, 2007 5:37 PM EST up reply actions

Sorry for the delay, it was on another computer

IP of top 2 starters



475 Cin

450 Atl

444 Oak

441 Ari

435 Hou

431 Mil

427 CHW

422 Det

421 LAA

421 SF

416 Stl

415 Tex

414 Col

414 Min

413 NYY

412 Cle

408 Bos

407 LAD

404 Fla

401 Pit

401 Tor

389 SD

385 Bal

378 Sea

366 Phi

362 NYM

350 CHC

344 Was

274 TB

281 KC

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 3:44 PM EST up reply actions

delay

forgiven.

by greg456 on Feb 6, 2007 3:48 PM EST up reply actions

a couple points about this

First this is top 2 in terms of innings pitched, not ability (for instance, Ben Sheets in Milwaukee only threw 100 innings). However for the Reds the top 2 in innings are the two best pitchers.

This has been a big cause for pessimism regarding next year for me (I know this is out of place on the Harang LTC thread). If you can get 425 innings out of two starters you're usually way ahead of the game. But if the Reds did that next year that would be 50 innings less from Harang/Arroyo, innings that would e pitched by lesser pitchers.

And that's assuming Harang and Arroyo remain 1-2 in innings. If there's an injury our top two starters could be Harang and Milton combining for 400 IP. Scary thought.

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 3:49 PM EST up reply actions

Atlanta

The Braves got 70 from Smoltz and Hudson... looks like the Brewers were the next highest with Doug Davis and Chris Capuano with 68. However, you said #1 and #2, Ben Sheet is easily their #1.

Pettitte and Oswalt had 67... but then again, Clemens might be considered #1 or #2

by indy on Feb 6, 2007 3:32 PM EST up reply actions

How about this one

The White Sox got 159 starts from their top 5 with only McCarthy (2) and Haeger(1) getting starts otherwise. And all five starters had 196 or more innings. That's over 6 innings a start. That's the kind of starting the Reds needed for their bullpen last year.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 3:36 PM EST up reply actions

you guys

all amaze me. i seriously have no idea how you guys come up with info so quick.

by greg456 on Feb 6, 2007 3:49 PM EST up reply actions

standing on the shoulders of giants

He was probably "inspired" by this:
http://www.redreporter.com/comments/2007/1/23/152440/883/42#42

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 3:54 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah

I read that at THT too. :P

Actually, I was just looking at the top starters from each team and that caught my eye. I know it's not something that has been pointed out before, but it still amazes me.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 3:57 PM EST up reply actions

BTW

Are you a terrorist? Your avatar makes me think such.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 4:00 PM EST up reply actions

I will only answer questions about '70s hair

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 4:41 PM EST up reply actions

I'm assuming that has to do with ATHF

I don't watch the show though. I've been told many a time that I should, but there just aren't enough hours in the day. Heck, by your suggestion I downloaded a full season of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, watched 2 episodes, and then couldn't find time to watch more. Eventually my computer crashed and I lost the episodes that I downloaded. I'll have to try to get them again because I liked what I saw. Damn, I'm rambling.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 4:56 PM EST up reply actions

'70s hair

That's actually what the two guys responsible for the broohaha said at their press conference, under instruction from their lawyers not to talk about the incident. I don't watch ATHF.

I have some cds full of Always Sunny that I used to transfer episodes from one computer to another. I don't need them now so I can send them your way.

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 5:06 PM EST up reply actions

Ah

Hadn't heard that. I stop paying attention once a story goes into litigation.

As for the CDs, thanks for the offer, but my comment reminded me that I meant to look and see if I had backed up my copies elsewhere, and it just happens that I had. So, it's all good. Now I just need to watch them.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 5:25 PM EST up reply actions

i thought he meant

Marty

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Feb 6, 2007 9:13 PM EST up reply actions

"inspired"

That's what my English students call it. At least he didn't copy and paste.

by greg456 on Feb 6, 2007 4:03 PM EST up reply actions

Overlooked

Bill Hall just signed 4 year deal with MIL this weekend. Yippee-cay-yay Mudda-!#*¥

So now you know...who got mystified

by ohiobobcat on Feb 6, 2007 4:13 PM EST reply actions

i don't think it was overlooked

just ignored intentionally because we didn't want to think about it.

He who laughs last obviously didn't get the joke.

by Daedalus on Feb 6, 2007 5:39 PM EST up reply actions

Fantastic

I think I said a while ago Krivsky needed to put his money where his mouth is and sign this guy. Looks like he did, and for a very good price. I'm impressed.

Harang is entering the prime of his career, and could get even better than last year. How great would that be.

by KAredsfan on Feb 6, 2007 4:22 PM EST reply actions

The drive home that usually takes me

15 minutes took me an hour and twenty, and you know what? Getting home and seeing this, and getting my new Reds plates in the mail today, made all of that just go away.

I'm ready for baseball.

Reds fandom: A study in futility and masochism.

by Ash on Feb 6, 2007 4:46 PM EST reply actions

where have you been?

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 4:51 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah

Where the $&%@ have you been?

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 4:53 PM EST up reply actions

In rehab with Lindsay Lohan.

I've been busy with the new job, family in the hospital, etc. I should be around a lot more often from here on out. I know you're all thrilled!

Reds fandom: A study in futility and masochism.

by Ash on Feb 6, 2007 4:57 PM EST up reply actions

Great to see you back.

What's the new job?

And can we all come bother you (virtually or not) at work?

Don't mind me...just thinking positive and pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Feb 6, 2007 11:47 PM EST up reply actions

Claims processing for Anthem/Wellpoint

Not until after training - I'm already getting myself into plenty of trouble with my snide remarks about everything. Imagine that.

Reds fandom: A study in futility and masochism.

by Ash on Feb 6, 2007 11:56 PM EST up reply actions

Claims processing?

I thought it said clams processing. That would have been interesting.

He who laughs last obviously didn't get the joke.

by Daedalus on Feb 7, 2007 9:25 AM EST up reply actions

If I knew.

If I knew you did that I coulda had you a job here at UMR (now part of UHC). We allow RR.com (for now).

by snohio on Feb 7, 2007 9:42 AM EST up reply actions

Good to hear from u Ash!

snohio, I think you got there too late the night of "The Royce Clayton Bat Incident". We had talked about getting her out of blockbuster/satan because it was starting to interfere with game threads, and we can't have that. But.....the new job isn't looking like a good fit for us either, her PPD average has been dropping. Keep the UMR job postings handy :)

"Sometimes life kicks you in the teeth, kids.....even when you're eating cake"- obc

by sukr on Feb 7, 2007 4:40 PM EST up reply actions

is the royce clayton bat incident in the wiki?

He who laughs last obviously didn't get the joke.

by Daedalus on Feb 7, 2007 5:05 PM EST up reply actions

I thought it was,

doesn't seem to be though. We'll have to get the obc to 'berry us a detailed account, for posterity.

"Sometimes life kicks you in the teeth, kids.....even when you're eating cake"- obc

by sukr on Feb 7, 2007 5:38 PM EST up reply actions

I was there for that.

I made it sometime around game-time. The RCBI happened pretty late into the evening.

by snohio on Feb 8, 2007 9:05 AM EST up reply actions

i had been wondering the same thing

you don't have a job where you can spend all day on red reporter? that must stink. we have an opening here - can you speak arabic?

He who laughs last obviously didn't get the joke.

by Daedalus on Feb 6, 2007 5:41 PM EST up reply actions

RedReporter is blocked, unfortunately. :(

No Arabic... just a little Attic Greek. But I guess nobody needs that "skill."

Reds fandom: A study in futility and masochism.

by Ash on Feb 6, 2007 6:43 PM EST up reply actions

hey ash

missed you. and just so you know, watch your mouth... we have 15-year-olds lurking about now. with virgin ears.

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Feb 6, 2007 9:45 PM EST up reply actions

Oooh... so much for

alcohol infused game threads.

Oh, wait... that's not gonna stop. Who am I kidding!?

Reds fandom: A study in futility and masochism.

by Ash on Feb 6, 2007 9:52 PM EST up reply actions

nah

we've already told him to do as we say and not as we do on that front.

Actually, it's fine crolfer. all those stories your parents told you about alcohol causing liver disease were lies... like santa claus.

oops... did i say something i shouldnt have?

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Feb 6, 2007 9:55 PM EST up reply actions

Wow...

We did something good... everyone... be ready... Krivs is prolly about ready to make a trade... like...

Homer Bailey, Joey Votto and Jay Bruce for...

A reliever in his late 40's...

In accordance to the prophecy

by crolfer on Feb 6, 2007 5:06 PM EST reply actions

bitest thou

tongue

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Feb 6, 2007 10:02 PM EST up reply actions

ouch... that hurts

In accordance to the prophecy

by crolfer on Feb 7, 2007 3:45 PM EST up reply actions

The breakdown of the numbers

According to the Baltimore Sun of all places (this is the first place I've seen the numbers broken down):

Harang gets base salaries of $4.25 million this season, $6.75 million in 2008, $11 million in 2009 and $12.5 million in 2010. There is a club option for 2011 at $12.75 million with a $2 million buyout.
If Harang pitches 210 innings in 2010, the option increases to $13 million. If he is traded, the option becomes mutual and increases to $14 million, with a $2.5 million buyout.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 5:42 PM EST reply actions

that's really good

This year he's at the club's arbitration offer. He gets a pretty small bump for his last arb year. Then it's 2 years/25.5 plus club option for his FA years.

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 6:06 PM EST up reply actions

Payroll flexibility and looking ahead

Also, Harang's big bump in '09 (first year of FA) coincides nicely with the end of Griffey's and Dunn's deals. At that point the club will have some flexibility in deciding who they want to keep and who they want to target. EdE, BP, Ross, Deno, Coffey, Bray and some others will still be under team control. Bruce, Votto and Bailey will still be in their pre-arb years and productive if all goes to plan (I know, a big if). I am not writing off the next two years by any means, especially considering how weak the Central looks. Just saying the winter of 08/09 will be pivotal.

by ken on Feb 7, 2007 9:42 AM EST up reply actions

I like what Harang is saying

by signing LT. He must think the Reds have a promising future, enough of one to forego a rumored return to the San Diego area. He's also saying that a good pitcher doesn't fear spending a big portion of his career at GABP.

by pw on Feb 6, 2007 6:04 PM EST reply actions

Also

I think he's saying that he wants to leave a little money in the Reds's coffers for paying other players. At least, in my mind I hope he's that prescient.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 6:13 PM EST up reply actions

Maybe it's obvious

but if Harang's not afraid of GABP, the Reds should have less trouble attracting good FA pitchers.

by pw on Feb 6, 2007 6:29 PM EST up reply actions

WOOHOO!!!!

I made a diary a few weeks back taking Krivsky to task for a perceived lack of action on the Harang LTD front. I guess this is the place where I come to beg forgiveness. I was wrong. Absolutely, positively, horribly wrong. And I can't remember the last time I was so happy to be wrong.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Feb 6, 2007 6:24 PM EST reply actions

If you thought he looked like a hitman before

The Enquirer article has a picture of Harang in a suit.
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070206/SPT04/302060044/1071

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 7:18 PM EST reply actions

I liked this part the best:

"Harang's agent, Sam Levinson, faxed Krivksy the following stat Tuesday. Since 1960, only eight pitchers have led in the NL in wins and strikeouts in the same season: Harang, Randy Johnson, John Smoltz, Dwight Gooden, Steve Carlton (twice), Tom Seaver, Sandy Koufax (three times) and Don Drysdale."

He who laughs last obviously didn't get the joke.

by Daedalus on Feb 6, 2007 7:56 PM EST up reply actions

Does Castellini seem choked up or something...

in that video?

Also, am I reading too much into this?:

"That's a good two-fifths (of a rotation)," Krivsky said. "(Kyle) Lohse and (Eric) Milton have to step up and whoever does wins the fifth spot.

"But those two guys at the top is a good start."

Are we getting two more starters? No way, right? Right?!

P.S. Forgive me if someone else has already posted this, but Homer Bailey needs a haircut, bad. He's a regular Bronson Arroyo here: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070125/VIDEO02/301240054/1071

Party on, Wayne.

by davemaher on Feb 6, 2007 9:57 PM EST up reply actions

homer's a hippie

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Feb 6, 2007 10:00 PM EST up reply actions

i was wondering the same thing about that quote...

people have been putting in their "two cents" on the matter in the diary entitled "Saarloos Guaranteed a Spot"

"if you love the reds so much, why don't you marry them?"

by BobbyO on Feb 6, 2007 11:02 PM EST up reply actions

I guess

that makes it a Monkey Suit?
Sorry..

by snohio on Feb 7, 2007 9:47 AM EST up reply actions

BBTF

Hey, can one of you guys that have an account on BBTF correct the thought in this thread that Bowden acquired Harang. He was acquired during the Kullman/Maddox interim at the end of 2003. In fact, I believe the trade happened the day after Bowden was fired.

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 7:54 PM EST reply actions

fixed

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 8:23 PM EST up reply actions

gracias

by Slyde on Feb 6, 2007 10:33 PM EST up reply actions

I just noticed

that Harangatan broke this news. Well done, sir!

by Red Menace on Feb 6, 2007 11:08 PM EST reply actions

A bit late...

But I am very positive about this. A great deal, and a bargain in all respects. We were willing to do 4/40, and 4/36.5 is a real bargain.

Way to go Krivsky. You chose...wisely...(bonus points).

Don't mind me...just thinking positive and pitching to contact, that's all...

by Paul Householder on Feb 6, 2007 11:38 PM EST reply actions

Well, it ain't Temple of Doom...

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

Yay! Bonus points on my first day back!

Reds fandom: A study in futility and masochism.

by Ash on Feb 6, 2007 11:52 PM EST up reply actions

What a great excuse...

for me to bring up the thread in which I controversially defended Temple of Doom again Last Crusade.
http://www.redreporter.com/story/2006/9/14/22628/8785

And a late reply: yes Slyde, I agree the humor is much better in LC, especially between Indy and dad. The heavy handed jokes in TOD are some of its worst features. But I insist that the better thrills in TOD make up for its worse humor.

by Red Menace on Feb 7, 2007 12:17 AM EST up reply actions

Whatever

You know I'm right, just admit it.

Actually, I think our differences come down to opinion rather than quality issues. I probably agree that TOD is a more tightly put together movie, and the action is definitely superior. However, my preference still lies with LC, but I'm still a big fan of all 3 movies.

by Slyde on Feb 7, 2007 9:09 AM EST up reply actions

i dont understand why

no one is championing raiders of the lost ark... it's by far the best of the three.

For starters, it kicked off the whole damn thing, and you know what they say about sequels...

Also, the history lesson in rotla is far more interesting than tod, and by the time tlc came out that storyline was stale. (Hmm, so, how about in this one, the nazis try to get some sort of magical relic with profound meaning to christian culture... then when the nazis try to use it, it will backfire on them and only be beneficial to indy.)

Plus they pulled out all the stops in tlc, gave away every little secret, and it just seemed more like an amusement park ride than a movie.

And Karen Allen is leaps and bounds hotter than Kate Capshaw and Alison Doody.

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Feb 7, 2007 2:28 PM EST up reply actions

Karen Allen??

over Kate Capshaw? no way.

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Feb 7, 2007 2:37 PM EST up reply actions

Allen v. Capshaw

I agree with boobs.

ALLEN

CAPSHAW

by Slyde on Feb 7, 2007 2:47 PM EST up reply actions

it's the eyes

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Feb 7, 2007 2:56 PM EST up reply actions

I think everyone agrees Raiders is the best

by Red Menace on Feb 7, 2007 3:46 PM EST up reply actions

gotcha

i think most of us can also agree that karen allen is hotter than kate capshaw

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Feb 7, 2007 3:55 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah

I hadn't really read your post because I was distracted by Caleb's rebuttal. I would agree that Raiders is the best. Menace and I disagree about which is second best, that is, which is most like kissing your sister.

by Slyde on Feb 7, 2007 3:57 PM EST up reply actions

if anyone asked me

and, to be clear, no one did, but if they did, i would say temple if only for that funny little kid from the goonies. "Indiahhna!"

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Feb 7, 2007 4:13 PM EST up reply actions

eh?

i would say temple if only for that funny little kid from the goonies

Chunk was in Temple of Doom?

by Slyde on Feb 7, 2007 4:46 PM EST up reply actions

okie dokie dr. jones

hold on to your potatoes

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make.

by boobs on Feb 7, 2007 4:51 PM EST up reply actions

Allen hotter than Doody?

Doody. If she's good enough for Bond, she's good enough for me. Besides, her last name is more amusing.

We need a IJ best of the trilogy poll. I'm for LC, despite TOD being the best action bang-for-the-buck a PG movie can reach. You can't beat Connery's delivery in LC.

"Sometimes life kicks you in the teeth, kids.....even when you're eating cake"- obc

by sukr on Feb 7, 2007 5:32 PM EST up reply actions

Heh, you said Doody

I'd still take Allen. I hate Nazi sympathizers.

by Slyde on Feb 7, 2007 5:39 PM EST up reply actions

Is there...

still a new one in the works?

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes." - Crash Davis

by Caleb on Feb 7, 2007 9:25 AM EST up reply actions

If there is

it's a shame they can't use River Phoenix.

by ken on Feb 7, 2007 9:31 AM EST up reply actions

It's Coming!

"Script is ready, filming is expected to begin in June 2007."
-IMDB LINK-

by snohio on Feb 7, 2007 9:40 AM EST up reply actions

Damn

you just beat me.

by Slyde on Feb 7, 2007 9:44 AM EST up reply actions

Yep

It's due out in 2008. Currently it's just referred to as Indiana Jones 4. According to the link, Karen Allen is rumored to be back in this one, along with Sean Connery and Natalie Portman.

by Slyde on Feb 7, 2007 9:43 AM EST up reply actions

Indiana Jones fun fact

Harrison Ford will be older in the new movie than Sean Connery was in Last Crusade.

by Red Menace on Feb 7, 2007 10:47 AM EST up reply actions

Great signing

It was less overall than I thought it would take, but very similar to Meyer's contract. As I said in my diary post, once that contract was signed, this one became a no-brainer. While it was obvious it needed done from the Reds' side, I'm ecstatic Harang committed for 5 years (only the Reds can opt out of the last year).

just....wow.

by sidnancy on Feb 7, 2007 10:12 AM EST reply actions

Fantastic news!!!!!!!

I couldn't wait to see what everyone was saying, and I'm glad to see the positive side overflowing. It's what I first came to like about this sight when I first joined - and the awesome hunor and sidebits. Oh, and Slydes toolbelt is amazing!

Reds fan for 40 years!

by gejoe on Feb 7, 2007 4:21 PM EST reply actions