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Red Reposter - Skip Schumaker thinks all the Joey Votto speculation is "ridiculous"

The Enquirer links to a piece from Chicago Tribune's Phil Rodgers
In which Rodgers posits that Joey Votto will inevitably be a Blue Jay. It's nothing we haven't heard before. The Blue Jays would look sharp with Jose Bautista and Joey Votto in the lineup together, and the Reds can't possibly sign Votto to a long-term deal. So the question is not if the Blue Jays will get their native son, but whether the Reds will trade him for a bevy or prospects or bid him farewell as he leaves via free agency.

It's all so speculative, though. There is nothing that says Votto actually wants to go to Toronto. Also, the Blue Jays have a publicly stated policy against signing contracts for longer than five years. And perhaps most obvious is the perhaps faulty assumption that the Reds don't have a prayer in re-signing him. I'm not saying they will, I'm just questioning the certainty that they won't. Either way, if you think this speculation is annoying now, it is most certainly only going to get worse.

FSO has announced their Spring Training TV schedule
It looks like the only Spring Training game that will be broadcast is a March 5th tilt against the Indians. That sucks. I know the live productions take some effort and treasure to produce, but I would have liked more than one game this spring. There is a robust schedule for Reds Rewind though, and a nightly show Reds Live - Spring Training 2012. So that should serve as an adequate appetizer for Opening Day.

Skip Schumaker sounds sour re: squirrel send-up
Topps baseball cards released a limited edition version of Skip Schumaker's 2012 card featuring the rally squirrel who interrupted his at-bat in Game Four of the NLDS last October. The squirrel became a minor but still cute story line as the Cardinals went on to take the pennant and the World Series trophy.

Predictably, Schumaker was whiny about it. "It's pretty ridiculous," Schumaker told FOXSportsMidwest.com. "I have a shoe on my baseball card. And a squirrel. It's pretty ridiculous...It's not disappointing, it's just ridiculous...I don't know how else to explain it other than that. You expect to have some sort of action shot or something but it's like a mascot card to me...I'm not frustrated, I just think people are going to look at it and laugh and that's ridiculous. I don't care about what I look like or anything but it's literally just a squirrel that has nothing to do with me."

He thinks it's ridiculous. What is it about St. Louis that makes the players act so ridiculous and say such ridiculous things? I'm genuinely concerned that there is a hidden pocket of magnetism or radioactivity or something ridiculous that drains the team of any sense of humor. I mean, what kind of person gets that ridiculous about a baseball card? And it's not even his primary card, it's a limited edition card. His regular card will feature him missing a ground ball up the middle or chopping a four-hopper to the first baseman or something ridiculous like that. This cute squirrel on a few thousand cards with his name on it though, that's just ridiculous to him. This whole thing is ridiculous.

FanGraphs likes the Jeff Francis signing
"In an offseason where Jason Marquis nets a somewhat lucrative one-year deal, it’s simply stunning to me that Francis, who for all his faults was a 2.6-win pitcher last season, had to settle for a minor league deal. Sure, there’s more red flags than a Chinese embassy here, but projection-wise you have to believe Francis has matured greatly as a pitcher to be a nearly 3-win hurler despite an 84.7 mph average heater. Can you even call that a heater? Maybe it’s a warmer. Joking aside, Francis hasn’t landed in an ideal place with the Great American Ballpark (120-133 home run park factors via StatCorner), but if he gains velocity back in his ongoing rehabilitation efforts, as a lefty he could carve out a nice, long career in the back of a number of rotations."

Star-divide

In case you missed it
a few days ago, Sheldon gave the blood and guts of the recent contracts that the Reds doled out. I'm still jumping out of my socks over the Madson deal. The Reds are only paying him $6.252 mil this season. SIX MILLION DOLLARS for a guy who everyone thought would get multiple years and tens of millions. $2 mil is deferred without interest and his $11 mil mutual option for next year comes with a $2.5 mil buyout. Now, that $11 mil option has almost no chance of being exercised. If he's good, he'll decline it and take a shot at the multi-year deal he didn't get this winter. Then that buyout won't apply and the Reds will have (hopefully) gotten a top-flight closer at a cut-rate price. High five, Walt.

SI's Joe Lemire unveils his first pre-season power rankings
The Reds come in at #9, and behind only the Phillies and Cardinals among NL squadrons. Here's the blurb: "Notable additions: SP Mat Latos, OF Ryan Ludwick, RP Ryan Madson, RP Sean Marshall, IF Wilson Valdez, UT Willie Harris, SP Jeff Francis Notable subtractions: SP Edinson Volquez, RP Francisco Cordero, SP Travis Wood, 1B Yonder Alonso Last year's predicted rise to prominence -- I pegged them as a darkhorse NL champ -- was premature on the assumption that all of the Reds' young core would improve with experience. This winter, however, Cincinnati made undeniable external improvements by adding Latos and Madson to replace Volquez and Cordero. Marshall is an excellent eighth-inning reliever, freeing heralded Cuban flamethrower Aroldis Chapman for a possible move to the rotation."

Nick Cafardo at the Boston Globe has power rankings, too
and coincidentally, the Reds are at #9 on his list as well. The Cards, Phils, and Diamondbacks stand ahead of them among NLers. Here's the blurb: "GM Walt Jocketty made moves that indicate the Reds were a little sick of the way things have been going down, and they’re happy to take advantage of St. Louis’s and Milwaukee’s offseason losses. They added closer Ryan Madson on a one-year, $8 million deal. They traded for Mat Latos to strengthen their rotation. They seem poised to make a legitimate run in the NL Central."

Matt Klaassen at FanGraphs takes a look at the bunting slugger
In case you hadn't heard, Mark Teixeira recently said he was frustrated with the dramatic shift he was often seeing from defenses and that he was working on his bunting to counter it. I'm sure we all remember these defensive tactics deployed against the likes of Adam Dunn and Ken Griffey Jr back in the day, and the subsequent harpings of the Brennamen for them to lay a bunt down the 3B line.

Klaassen admits his methodology isn't the most rigorous, but the conclusions drawn are interesting nevertheless. It seems that sluggers (ISO > .200) who square to bunt are more successful (higher RE24) than the rest of them. So it lends a bit of credence to the Brennamen's idea of taking what is given.

Baseball Nation's Grant Brisbee runs down the candidates for "Worst to First"
Last year, the Diamondbacks followed up their nearly-100 loss 2010 campaign with an NL West division title. This kinda thing happens every now and again, or at least often enough that it has become of a staple of off-season speculative conversation. Of relevance to the Reds is his take on the Houston Astros, in their last year as an NL Centraler, and their chances of taking the division this season: "Nope."

One of the loyal readers of Halos Heaven sent a hand-written trade proposal to Angels GM Jerry DiPoto
and to much surprise and delight, he received a note back from DiPoto. I gotta say, I'm not sure how to react to this. At first, I was all like, "Dig it, man. That's a really classy move from the new GM. He's doing the little things to make headway with the fanbase." But then I was all like, "Hmmm...I wonder how often he does this. He probably gets letters like this all the time, and I really hope he doesn't spend all his time replying to them personally." So yeah, I'm not sure what to think. I'll just say it's really neat and move on.

Kevin Goldstein at the world wide leader asked a group of big league executives to compare Yoenis Cespedes to some current major league CFs
The list of comparables includes our very own Drew Stubbs. To see how they ranked him against Cespedes, you'll need to be an insider. I'm not.

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Here is the Drew Stubbs article in there.

Drew Stubbs, Cincinnati Reds
Scouting report: One of the best athletes in the game, Stubbs combines elite-level defense with power and speed, but severe contact issues led to 205 strikeouts in 2011 and more than a 100-point decline in OPS.

Stubbs’ struggles in 2011 were just as troubling to some polled as those of Rasmus. “If you are going to punch out as much as Stubbs does, I’ll take Cespedes for the bigger impact,” explained an American League scout.

Another AL scout preferred Stubbs for his defense and for being the devil you know offensively. “Stubbs is an elite defender,” he said. “And as much as we like projects and prospecting, there’s a certain value to the reality of what a guy has done.”

A National League executive wondered whether that reality is enough. “Stubbs is supposed to be Mike Cameron,” he said. “We haven’t seen that yet.”

The vote: Cespedes, 6-2

by Alexneyer on Feb 2, 2012 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

I'm a Stubbs apologist

I think he’s a good defender. But “elite” may be an overstatement. That’s surprising.

by ams78 on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree, I think he has potential

But I dont think he can be elite. I would hope that he can get his numbers this year somewhere near a .280/.370 line. I think we need that kind of production from him to be a good CF. Defensive issues have never been a concern with him though, so I wouldn’t expect any of those to change.

by Alexneyer on Feb 2, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If he OBPes .370

He is an all-star starter. I will be happy with .335 and a little of his power to return.

by fromcubawithluv on Feb 2, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yessirree

no chance in hell Drew Stubbs hits 280 and gets on base at a 380 clip. That’s like…Matt Kemp

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If Drew ever got his BA up to .280, I could see a .370 OBP.

But, his BA will never be that high. I love looking at Stubb’s WAR. I always forget how much value he brings to the team, even if he is struggling with the bat.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If Drew Stubbs ever puts up a .370 OBP in a season he will be the MVP that year

With his speed and power.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He'd have to get his batting average up to do it.

The past two years the difference between his BA and OBP has been about 75 points. If he had a better BA it wouldn’t out of this world to expect him to take even more walks. It wouldnt’ be something I’d expect, but he could have an outlier season or two where everything goes his way.

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

if he did on of the last two

people would still complain that he struck out too much

by vottomatic on Feb 2, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, yes, and there's a war on Christmas

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 2, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, this should be you.

Actually, there are several of you on here that would dig this.

"Prediction is difficult, especially about the future." - BubbaFan

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 3, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like something that would end up like Surviving The Game, no thanks

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 3, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

ain't that the truth...

adam dunn wasn’t, for sure, an elite defender, though not nearly as bad as people yelled about, and his offensive production was on the high side of prodigious. all you heard about was his K stats, which actually began to come down somewhat significantly. problem for me now is that i keep imagining him in the middle of the lineup we have now, and considering the rest of our defensive ballclub, dunn would be a welcome addition. yep, i know he’s not coming back, that he had a horrible year last season, and all that. but this thing about stubbs does pretty much make a lot of what dunn was here look pretty good.

by alcory11 on Feb 3, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Early in his career his defense wasn't horrible.

But, his latter years as a Red they were atrocious.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

That's why I said he'd have to figure out a way to get his average up.

I think you could see the first two happen, but not to the extremes to get him to a .280 level. His average BABIP has been what? .325-.330? What would an extremely lucky year look like for him?

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

350, maybe?

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Dennis Phipps was way past lucky.

There is no way to describe his BABIP

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

2007 BJ Upton hit .300/.386/.508 with a .393 BABIP

That sounds about right for lucky Stubbs.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If he gets his normal 580+ PA's that would be ridiculous.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

2007 Upton was worth 4.7 rWAR

and that’s with -8 runs on defense for 48 games he played at 2B.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying.

Stubbs was worth 5.2 WAR in 2010 and his OPS was below .780.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Not saying he's nearly as good...

But Kemp freaked a .380 BABIP last year.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not saying he will do it.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

you say these things like they are profound.

Also nobody without potential has won a game either.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd venture to guess there were some contestants on Fear Factor or Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader

who might put your hypothesis to the test

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

#donkeysemen

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

5th graders are all about potential and growth

Drew Stubbs needs to produce at this stage of his life and career.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Feb 2, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh,

you think he isn’t trying? because if that’s the case i agree, but I think he wants to succeed

"Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider." -George Carlin

by dunnateher on Feb 2, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Blow me.

Stubbs needs to put up or sit down…hell Ceasar Gernimo was a better defender and had bettter offensive stats.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Feb 2, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If Stubbs is the Reds biggest problem

they will win 100 games.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you're right

unfortunately, the Reds have bigger problems than Stubbs.. unless he puts up a 2012 shittier than his 2011

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 9, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Check your work, Madville.

Ceasar Gernimo age 24-26 seasons: .257/.320 /.372 /693
Drew Stubbs age 24-26 seasons: .251 /.325 /.406 /.731

by Eastwindquinn on Feb 2, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Age 26 Geronimo

Age BA OBP SLG OPS Awards

26 .281 .345 .395 .739 GG

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Feb 2, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We should sign him

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 2, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I've said this a lot

but go to the park sometime and try to focus as much as you can on Stubbs. I think you’ll be surprised at how good he is in CF. He’s not flashy, but it’s mainly because he doesn’t need to be.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Drew Stubbs is an elite defensive CF.

He’s not a top of the order hitter.

There, that’s Drew Stubbs!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

that's a bingo

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

wait...that came out wrong

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Bahahahaha!!!!!

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Just put it away!

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by Excalib8 on Feb 2, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

TWIS

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by jch24 on Feb 2, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't need to see what BPro said about him to have my opinion though

Watching him from my perch all last season really opened my eyes. No, my eyes aren’t a perfect measuring tool, but the difference is striking when someone else is in CF.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, I know

I was more adding that it’s a very valid opinion, and you are right.

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

I don’t think any Reds outfielder has a better first step than Bruce. Most of the time he was moving in the right direction by the time I found him in the outfield. Stubbs hesitates occasional, but he’s got the speed that he can get away with it. And I joked last year that Fred Lewis’s normal route on a flyball looked like a check mark.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

people are hesitant on calling Stubbs great defensively because he just looks bored out there. He has to be one of the best 2 or 3 defensively in the league.

by fromcubawithluv on Feb 2, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I know some people hate that he lets balls drop in front of him

but to me, it’s a helluva lot better than Ryan Freel letting the ball get by him by diving.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it is probably a smart play.

Some people may not like it, because it reminds them of Griffey letting the ball drop.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I said this exact statement at least a hundred times last year

Sometimes the right play is to let the ball drop.

by pack_fan on Feb 2, 2012 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sometimes it is

maybe even most of the times. But I think Stubbs gives up on just about every ball in front of him that isn’t a sure thing.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 2, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll agree I'd like to see him be a little more aggressive on them

but if you’re not good at/comfortable with that kind of play, I’m not sure I mind if he’s still a plus defender overall.

by pack_fan on Feb 3, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see this point

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 3, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

OF, and particularly CF, was my position in my baseball years, so it helps that I have some perspective on the position.

by pack_fan on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I played there too!

but really, I was a pitcher.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 4, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

amen...

like most, i loved ryan freel when he was here, but the guy made more mistakes both offensively and defensively than a lot of people saw. i can’t count the baserunning blunders, and have to point out that adam dunn had a better SB pctg. than he did, admittedly while stealing a lot less, and freel got thrown out taking the extra base way too often…again something opposed to dunn’s exceptional success. i said it back then, freel was not a plus for this club, and this was when they were not so hot overall. that said, it’s not possible to ignore the great plays freel did make from time to time. but he wasn’t a leadoff hitter either, had a rather high K rate for a ‘contact hitter’, didn’t walk a lot. hey, it’s all well and good to take notice of stubbs’ less than stellar production, but remember, he’s still young and with his talent has all the chance in the world to improve.

by alcory11 on Feb 3, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

and we got Clutch Man Monie for him!

also, if people stop thinking of Stubbs as a leadoff man, then it’s a lot easier to swallow his production (which hasn’t been BAD, just not what we’ve hoped for). The lack of a true leadoff guy for our team makes us pigeonhole him and get frustrated that he isn’t what a lot of people want him to be.

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by UncleWeez on Feb 3, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Good post

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by BK on Feb 4, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Slyde is "scouting"

That settles that, the Mayans were right.

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by jch24 on Feb 2, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

And to think I just read a couple of tweets today from him

talking about people that evaluate baseball with their eyes.

Have you two met before? Pot meet Kettle.

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by brown11b on Feb 2, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

In this case the numbers support my eyes. So, shut it.

And I’m assuming you’re just trying to be a troublemaker and didn’t really misread what I tweeted that poorly.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That solves it!

brown11b is Heyman!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Its true

I, Jon Heyman, created a fact twitter handle and SB Nation membership to harrass Slyde for daring to challenge me 2 weeks ago!

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Feb 2, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds reasonable.

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by bbjones on Feb 2, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I support what you said on teh twitter earlier today

You just seemed like an easy target on this one.

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Feb 2, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the fact that this comment went green.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Feb 2, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It's only one-fifth of the article

So, I’m not sure, but yeah, maybe.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you've got something there.

You should put that behind a pay wall.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 2, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

if it gets deleted, it will take a shitton of comments with it.

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by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Down with censorship!

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

This probably isn't OK

But it’s a load-bearing comment now.

At the risk of getting on my SOPA-box, let’s not do it again. A quote or impression is fine, but not paragraphs.

Mgr., Red Reporter

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"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 2, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

What if we type like dumbasses and make it all one block

Drew Stubbs, Cincinnati Reds Scouting report: One of the best athletes in the game, Stubbs combines elite-level defense with power and speed, but severe contact issues led to 205 strikeouts in 2011 and more than a 100-point decline in OPS. Stubbs’ struggles in 2011 were just as troubling to some polled as those of Rasmus. "If you are going to punch out as much as Stubbs does, I’ll take Cespedes for the bigger impact," explained an American League scout. Another AL scout preferred Stubbs for his defense and for being the devil you know offensively. "Stubbs is an elite defender," he said. "And as much as we like projects and prospecting, there’s a certain value to the reality of what a guy has done." A National League executive wondered whether that reality is enough. "Stubbs is supposed to be Mike Cameron," he said. "We haven’t seen that yet." The vote: Cespedes, 6-2

Now reading it feels good on the eyes

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Feb 2, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah. at the end of the day this blog is a representation of sb nation

sb nation is one of the largest internet sports networks along with espn.

i doubt espn would appreciate their pay wall material being reposted verbatim by sb nation.

sabes made the right call here by warning against future postings.

by 'tHan on Feb 2, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Or better yet, blockquote it!

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by jch24 on Feb 2, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't think much of it when he posted it

That would have been pretty much exactly what I would have posted in the Reposter if I had access.

But maybe that’s not cool, either.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And I hear you can access the material in its entirety without paying

because Google makes public whatever they have access to behind paywalls if you wanna search a little harder.

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by kcgard2 on Feb 2, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

wait how does this work?

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by UncleWeez on Feb 3, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know, honestly

I bet you could find out by googling, I’m really not trying to be a smartass.

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by kcgard2 on Feb 3, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

it doesn't work for every site

Some sites allow people in if they arrive via Google, even if it’s supposed to behind a paywall. The WSJ was like that for a long time, though they may have changed it recently. The NY Times allows Google and social media sites like Facebook and Twitter, even if you’re over your monthly limit.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 3, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Theres a part of me that thinks the paywall, especially at a place such as ESPN, is ludicrous and stupid

so quoting from it in this way while also giving credit to where its from doesn’t bother me that much. The rules should be the same as an article everyone can see if you ask me.

by pack_fan on Feb 3, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

There’s enough free shit on the internet. Not everything needs to be free. Some people deserve to make money for their work.

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by Slyde on Feb 4, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Sweet!

I’ve made a bunch a posts here. When can I expect the check to arrive?

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by bbjones on Feb 4, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ESPN doesn't make squat from Insider.

A 2009 article had them at 350,000 subscribers. Even if that’s up to 500,000 they ain’t making more than ~2 million from it.

I think Insider has more to do with their internal struggle. If you want to be a pro publica news organization, you don’t charge. If you want to be an entertainment company, you charge.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 4, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they clearly want to be an entertainment company

The problem is that you can’t get people to pay for things on the Internet. They’ve tried, and with a few exceptions, it just doesn’t work. Information wants to be free…and usually is.

The WSJ can get away with a paywall, because their readers want the news before anyone else gets it. In the old days, that was rushing to buy a copy at 5am when the ink was still wet.

Others have been much less successful. The NYT gave up on TimesSelect. Now they are trying again, but it’s ridiculously easy to get around their new paywall. They’re afraid to completely wall off their content, because they know their viewership will drop to almost zero if they do.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 4, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

"Information wants to be free"

is bullshit. People just don’t want to have to pay for anything on the internet because they think everything on the internet should be free. And this is why so many of our news organizations are turning into bullshit entertainment outlets rather than real news reporters. Getting a headline or a few details from twitter is not the same thing as real reporting.

Also, what Goldstein did isn’t news, it’s analysis. Analysis shouldn’t be free unless the analyst wants it to be free. Sure, you can get a lot of similar stuff to what he does at other sites for free, but he’s one of the best in the business at what he does, so if he wants to charge for his work, he can.

Personally, I didn’t have a problem with this specific instance of copy-and-paste because it was a small portion of a larger article and in many ways, that might encourage readers to check the rest out (which is why copies of article segments should ALWAYS include links back to the original work). But hiding behind “information wants to be free” is lame. Information doesn’t want to anything. It’s only “free” because someone stole it.

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by Slyde on Feb 4, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think "information wants to be free"

like goats in a pen want to get out. It’s not a value judgement, it just is.

Doesn’t mean people don’t deserve – and need – to be paid for their work. But it does mean it’s very difficult to get them to do that, when the cost of making copies is zero.

And I don’t think this is the reason newspapers are turning into entertainment outlets. Look at what’s happening to network news. They’re getting paid, more than ever, and they’re entertainment outlets, too. Compare CNN or Fox or MSNBC to BBC. It’s embarrassing.

But that’s what we get, because that’s what the average viewer wants.

The network news department used to be a public service. They weren’t expected to earn money. Now they are, and that’s why they’ve become entertainment outlets.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 4, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Compare CNN, FOX, and MSNBC, to PBS, NPR, and CSPAN

CNN, Fox, and MSNBC still win.

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by Yossarian22 on Feb 4, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Win in what?

Total viewers? That’s not how I judge a news outlet.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 6, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

"But that’s what we get, because that’s what the average viewer wants."

I don’t agree with this. I think infotainment/sensationalism isn’t what America wants, it’s what America is fed. And they are fed this because it’s REALLY easy (compared to actual journalism) and makes enough money that no one has yet come out with a for-profit news program that provides context and adheres to journalistic methodology.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 6, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i've seen that information wants to be free

that espn chose the wrong model because they could make more off advertising with free information & several other thoughts that simply don’t matter.

it doesn’t matter what people think espn should do, the fact is espn has chosen to go with the insider pay format. therefore they have a good that they think is good enough to charge for. if you purposely access that information without paying for it, that is the same as stealing.

by 'tHan on Feb 5, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I could give a shit about ESPN

But Goldstein deserves to get paid, and I doubt that happens if it’s not behind a paywall. His article was behind paywalls at both BPro and ESPN.

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by Slyde on Feb 4, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes I wonder if they could make as much money

with a free site, if traffic is up enough to charge more for the advertising.

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by kcgard2 on Feb 4, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

that is what killed the newspaper industry

15 years ago when the internet became a normal household utility like cable, newspapers put their stuff up for free because they thought that traffic and advertising itself would be profitable enough to sustain their business.

That turned out to not work, and now it is really difficult for newspapers to reverse that. I think if newspapers, especially the big ones like the Chicago Tribune and the New York Times, had required users pay a subscription fee from the start, they might have made more money, and now people wouldn’t expect their newspapers to be free.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 4, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Newspapers are a bit different IMHO

the generation that is used to and wants their news from the paper, want it in paper form on their doorstep in the morning. They are going to direct very little traffic to internet newspapers. The generation that doesn’t care about the newspaper all that much also isn’t going to direct traffic to an internet newspaper even if it’s free.

Sports analysis has no print alternative, people wouldn’t want one even if it were available, and direct major traffic to websites that offer a quality product in this category. I am not saying that they could make as much money just from the ads, because if so they would probably all just go that route and everyone would be happy. I am just wondering. There are lots of sites that survive on the ads.

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by kcgard2 on Feb 4, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there's a lot going on with the demise of newspapers

Like Clay Shirky said, this is as monumental a change as the invention of the printing press, and no one has any idea how it’s going to turn out. It’s like to be extremely disruptive. Even if everyone wants to protect the established institutions, they can’t. The old paradigm gets broken before the new one is established. Eventually, there will be a solution, but it’s likely to be one no one imagines now.

It’s obviously possible to make a lot of money providing online content, but it might be that fewer people can do that than was possible with print and television. Because of the superstar effect. This is a trend that predated the net, but the net is exacerbating it. Basically, some people become extremely successful, but it means fewer can make a living at it.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 4, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Part of the problems is Newspapers need to change their business model

John Fay and Mark Sheldon are redundant, and 5 years ago Fay, Rosecrans, McCoy and whomever was covering the Reds for MLB.com were redundant. Does anyone really feel like they are missing anything (as far as coverage of the Reds goes) now that the Post is gone and the Dayton Daily News simply runs AP outcomes of the game. How much would we really miss Fay if the Enquirer decided to cut a few more corners?

Yes, despite my quibbles with Hal’s stubbornness about disregarding some old stats and opening his mind to new stats, he was probably the most skilled writer, and he is the only one who could write a book about the Reds that would sell. Fay is a bit more up to date on his stats, but that is like saying a Democrat is better than a Republican or vice verse, Fay is not a guy I, or I assume most people, would go to for serious analysis. But he does provide hope for dsylexic people everywhere!

Really the only thing they bring to the table is more voices at press conferences, as Red Reporter does not have a press credential, and even if it did, who here would really be willing to regularly do that work for free. Lets face it, baseball just isn’t really important enough for anyone to volunteer the time it would take to make an RR press credential useful.

Sheldon can provide us with all the transaction news, and national guys are very good at staying in tune with rumors, and breaking free agent signings and trades before they are announced.

Newspapers are important for providing local coverage of local news. We still need good journalists at City Council Meetings, and questioning the County Commissioner, etc.

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by Yossarian22 on Feb 4, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

see, that's a funny thing

If I want analysis on the Latos trade, for example, I do two things.

I go here, to see what people are saying. And I go to Gaslamp Ball or whatever it’s called, to see what those people are saying. I go to Fangraphs to see the numbers. After all that, I might look for some professional analysis.

The downside, of course, is that it requires the reader to actually think critically, compare different viewpoints, weight evidence, and evaluate arguments. If you aren’t careful, it can lead to understanding.

It does, however, take longer than a 10-second burst of OMG-THIS-IS-THE-BEST/WORST-TRADE-OF-ALL-TIME-WALT-IS-A-GENIOUS/IDIOT-WE’RE-GONNA-WIN/LOSE-110-GAMES-THIS-YEAR.

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by bbjones on Feb 4, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

but people who don't want to think critically

will be happy with the two paragraph of analysis in a Sheldon article, an AP article, or what the local tv sports guy says on the 11PM news. Also those people tend to be more casual fans.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 4, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I do like Fay's

stories and rumors from inside the clubhouse. Though I prefer his blog and Twitter updates to his Enquirer articles, which are often old news by the time they are published.

I think the obvious place to charge for content is the fantasy baseball stuff. As with the WSJ, people want to know first, so they can make money. Heck, people pay for BR and BA subscriptions now.

But I think a lot fewer people will be able to make a living by providing news than was the case in the past. And they’ll make less, except for the superstars.

Look at what’s happened with CBS. They eliminated their international news bureau and are instead using GlobalPost. Global Post is basically news-oriented YouTube. People who already live in the area do their own videos and video editing. No need to pay for hotel, plane ticket, translator, etc. The “reporters” often have other jobs, and are just doing GlobalPost on the side, so they’re able and willing to work for less.

This happened with photography as well. Magazines used to have staff photographers, or they would hire freelancers and send them all over the world, paying thousands of dollars for one image. Now you pay 25 cents at Shutterstock or iStockphoto.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 4, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The editorial aspect of using Global Post/Shutterstock really is weak, though.

They’re good writers/photogs, but they don’t have as good a nose for how to write the way newspapers would like. Journalism is going to an apprenticeship system for the most part. I don’t think there’s anything too wrong with that, though.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 5, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know that they're weak

There’s a survival of the fittest thing going. You have thousands or people offering their work, so the employers can pick the ones they like, and ask them to conform to their standards, just like they would with a traditional hire.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 5, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Newspapers have access, though.

Hal and Fay can ask questions and get personalities in ways that RR/RLN/whatever can’t. For entertainment, that’s huge. And I’m always disappointed that they don’t really care about the human element of baseball.

Access is all that they have, but that can work against certain newspapers who are frightened of losing their access.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I don’t think they really get what fans want.

They need to concentrate on what they can provide that others can’t.

Though who knows, maybe RR/RLN will one day get that access. We’ve had some interviews here at RR, and RLN has player interviews regularly.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 5, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But RR would probably need to pay people to do that.

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by Yossarian22 on Feb 5, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that's true

There’s very little that the NYT or Chicago Tribune offer that you can’t get from the news aggregators. Even in the early days of the Internet, there were news aggregators.

Some papers did try to charge, but it didn’t work. Except for certain special cases, like the WSJ.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 4, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

$2MM can buy a lot of talented sports jurnalists.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 6, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

not so much

there’s hardly any talented sports journalists left anymore

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 9, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

/research paper'd

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by UncleWeez on Feb 3, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, that is some exclusive content!

If you want to see more exciting insider info, sign up for ESPN Insider today!

There, that should keep the lawyers at bay. :)

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

too late, we're still all here.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 2, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The schumaker part

was pretty friggin cool. I hate the Cardinals

by fromcubawithluv on Feb 2, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

We can all unite for our hatred of the Cards

The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer

by DerekH91 on Feb 2, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

x

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

whaaaaaaaa

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

With Enrique Cruz?

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by jch24 on Feb 2, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yo Scrabs!

the sidebar link to SBNation from Fangraphs has this Reposter listed…and credited to “Reds Reposter.”

You’re like, getting almost pseudo-recognized!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

sigh.

That’s what I meant.

Where’s the coffee pot?

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I read this as "coffee/pot"

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by DerekH91 on Feb 2, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

let’s hang out in Arizona! Craft beer and medicine and baseball. Maybe we can get Sam LeCure to join us

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanna come!

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

TWSS

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

x

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

party in the desert

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

that's exactly what crossed my mind, too.

I’ll have to check on it, Weez. Got a big ol’ ski trip planned right in the middle of ST, but I’ll keep it in mind.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

So I'm Recliner-king famous?

Kitchen chair-king famous?
Ottoman-king famous?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I think I agree with Skip

Its a pretty stupid card. If you wanted to do that, why not put “Rally Squirrel” on the card instead of Schumaker’s name? If you click on the link and actually look at the card, it is pretty stupid. Its the squirrel and his shoe and the card says “Skip Schumaker” as if the squirrel is Skip Schumaker. I kind of see why he might be annoyed.

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by TheC on Feb 2, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

It's stupiculous.

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

When I was a kid

My barber in Roselawn was named Skip. He was a semi-professional wrestler.

"I never should have given up the animation rights."

by BobbyO on Feb 2, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

My dog was named Skip

but now he’s dead.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

they should make a movie about it.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 2, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody ever seen a dog die?

I’ve had dogs my whole life and haven’t seen a dog death yet.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 2, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen a dead dog

I didn’t watch it die, though

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by DerekH91 on Feb 2, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't stay in the room when they killed him.

I was there until they sedated him and he fell asleep. I left before the kill shot.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

oh geez.

I thought you were referencing this, not real life.

My bad.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 2, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

errr

this.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 2, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, no worries

Old dogs get old and die. Circle of life and all that…

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Helen Keller: Still Dead.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Feb 2, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you know why Helen Keller couldn't drive?

she was a woman.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

by Heeringa on Feb 3, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you know Helen Keller is on Twitter?

It’s about what you’d expect. Every couple of weeks she tweets something like this:

@Helen_Keller
Ponp ponp. Chaaaaaamph. Coh noh noh. Hepp. Tam tam. Chisp. 4.

Or this:

But then every once in awhile she’ll put up something like this:

@Helen_Keller
Costco Toblerone.
28 Oct via Twitter for iPhone

And THAT is my favorite Helen Keller joke.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you that it's dumb, and I had the same thought about a "Rally Squirrel"-specific card.

But there is no reason on earth that Skip Schumaker should be whining about it to the press. He should absolutely keep his annoyance to himself.

by the finest muffins on Feb 2, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Or, you know, have a fucking sense of humor about it

It’s funny and cute. Of course it’s ridiculous. That’s the point.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Right.

I suspect he didn’t offer these comments unsolicited. I suspect the writer called to get his reaction. Even if his personal reaction is to be slightly peeved (that’s ridiculous, anyway) he should have sucked it up, laughed a little, acknowledged the fans, and remembered that his name is on baseball cards and there’s nothing about that worth getting your nose out of joint.

by the finest muffins on Feb 2, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

also, he just won a damn world series

get over it, baby

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad this is green to match the froggie

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Was this mentioned? -

They made a normal card for him too, this was just an insert or something. You won the World Series. And you can parlay this whole squirrel thing into at least a regional endorsement deal or two.

Mgr., Red Reporter

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"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 2, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He's been around Carpenter, LaRussa, and Molina too long.

Alligator tears.

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a special card, isn't it?

The normal one has his picture on it as usual. The squirrel card is a special limited edition. It’s selling for $600 on eBay.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 2, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

that’s funny right there

by fromcubawithluv on Feb 2, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Welp, you just made FordhamRam's job easy

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by jch24 on Feb 2, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

And I had another one already prepared too!

by FordhamRam on Feb 2, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

buyable...

i take it that means it’s sold in brooklyn

by alcory11 on Feb 3, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Votto to Blue Jays

If we ever end up parting ways with Votto and send tim to Toronto, we would certainly need to get Lawrie in that deal. Snider is intriguing for LF and they have some decent arms. That being said, I hope we somehow find a way to afford Joey (revenue from our two World Series seasons in ’12 and ’13?) and he stays here for most/all of his career.

The amount of liquor I drank last night would've killed a small-to-medium sized Asian family.

by balooko31 on Feb 2, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

Holla if you still check his stats from time to time.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 2, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

*sigh*

holla.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 2, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

What is BB-Reference for

if not checking up on ex-Reds stats, not unlike looking up old girlfriends on Facebook?

by MC Reds Hot on Feb 2, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

well......

I was thinking girlfriends, but I am kind of happy about this picture

by fromcubawithluv on Feb 2, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Go take a cold shower.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

ya

my comment could have been taken this way. I appreciate you noticing and pointing it out. for the record: I am not in anyway delighted in the manner that you assumed from my comment of said picture. It is just a funny picture.

thank you so much and ….. gross

by fromcubawithluv on Feb 2, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The old time uniform just accentuates it too

awesome

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by kcgard2 on Feb 2, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

They must be waiting for the XL letters to arrive via FedEx

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by jch24 on Feb 2, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

his name is Robert Paulson

his name is Robert Paulson
his name is Robert Paulson
his name is Robert Paulson
his name is Robert Paulson
his name is Robert Paulson

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by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

b*tcht*ts

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by BK on Feb 2, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

With those tits, can't he be both?

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw Todd Coffey after a game last year

proving that some chicks really are attracted to money.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

DEM TITTIES

uh, wait never mind.

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by sexsalad on Feb 2, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Blue Jays have a ton of talent in the minors

Doubtful they’d deal someone off the big league roster if they are trading for Votto.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if the return nets Votto

They’d be willing to give up Lawrie or anyone else not a franchise player. Teams love to have hometown stars… they bring in fans and tend to do a lot for the local community. I think the Reds would be foolish not to demand Lawrie plus prospects. He fits in at either 3B or 2B if we can’t bring Phillips back long term.

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by balooko31 on Feb 2, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Brett Lawrie is on the verge of being a star

and is also from Canada. And is also under control for as much as 6 more years. They aren’t trading him.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think him get some more at bats before we start labeling him.

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

sure, but he was pretty damn good in the minors too

If he was still eligible, he’d probably be a top 15 prospect this year.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but I don't think he is going to OPS .900+

He’ll be a good player, but I think he is being a bit overhyped for 171 PA’s.

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

/END'd

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by jch24 on Feb 2, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

who is Tim?

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Single-A 2nd baseman

If they send him to Toronto, some peopel are going to be pissed because they followed his career in the minors and think he can take over for BP.

by ams78 on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, there’s more red flags than a Chinese embassy here
That’s racist

Respect my authoritah!

by BigBadBruce on Feb 2, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Nationalist.

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

think so?

i thought it was funny…but then my sense of humor is sort of slanted…

by alcory11 on Feb 3, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Edwin Jackson to the Nats

Which probably means the Cards are signing Oswalt.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

Looks like it's only a one-year deal

so they may not be trading Lannan just yet.

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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's play GUESS THE PITCHER FROM THE STATS!

2011:
Player A:
31 GS,
1.437 WHIP,
0.9 HR/9,
1.9 BB/9,
2.33 K/BB,
Age 31,
Bill James 2012:
4.22 ERA, 4.02 FIP

Player B:
31 GS,
1.437 WHIP,
0.7 HR/9,
2.8 BB/9,
2.39 K/BB,
Age 28,
Bill James 2012:
4.24 ERA, 4.03 FIP

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Francis/Jackson

saw that in the other thread, ol’ Petey!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

that's insanity

and hilarious

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson was worth 3.1 bWAR

to Francis’s 1.4, though.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

also Francis had major shoulder surgery done a couple of years ago

Which would make me nervous about expecting too much from him.

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by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And Francis has a fastball that averaged 84.5 mph last year.

And the stats I showed are relevant, but cherry-picked.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I like picking up Francis

I wouldn’t be upset if he is the Reds fifth starter, I personally red flag any pitcher who had labrum or rotator cuff surgery, as they often go back on the D.L.

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by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And Francis is on a minor league deal

So sure, those concerns are all valid. But the downside is limited.

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by bbjones on Feb 2, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Zero downside on this signing.

Francis has an opt-out around March 28th.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the only downside if you ask me

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by kcgard2 on Feb 3, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

.....

thought that was 84.7 mph…

by alcory11 on Feb 3, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT...WHAT HEAT!

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 3, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhhhhh

Now THAT’S shakin’ things up!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I prefer Rizzoli and Isles

because, well, DANG.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Read the books?!

Mads, I don’t even watch the show with the volume on.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Hmmm I see your point

Not a great actor but she is left handed, therefore she has automatic inclusion as an Honorary RR !
B- L
T- L

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Feb 2, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

F-S

I’d hope she wears the tools of ignorance, don’t you know. *harrumph British chortle-snort*

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 3, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

noticed that...

but then i really never had any reason to want to know if a babe is left- or right-handed…never even thought about it…noticed it, sure, but it wasn’t high on my list of things to notice…you know? hey, there’s no law about needing to be a lefty myself here, is there?

by alcory11 on Feb 3, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

no

no to votto to toronto, no to stubbs being elite, no to ridiculous cardinals, no to only one ST game on tv, no to drugs.

by Daedalus on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

two of these are a yes

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Stubbs and drugs?

Agreed.

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by Excalib8 on Feb 2, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

WRONG!

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

only one spring training game on TV

Is that normal?

What about the spring training game that will be in GABP? Are they televising that?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 2, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

fromcubawithridiculous

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair

that squirrel is probably just as good at baseball as Skip Schumaker is.

by crolfer on Feb 2, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

all except...

the only thing the squirrel can hit is a pitch in the dirt…

by alcory11 on Feb 3, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

So, Vlad Guerrero is a squirrel?

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 3, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like pizza a lot

It was a great idea. Well done.

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"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 2, 2012 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Buster Olney's got no love for the Reds

I can’t figure out how to embed the tweet (I got the embed code but it’s not working), but his picks for the playoffs:

Going into spring, AL playoff picks (if 10): DET, TB, TEX division winners; NYY, LAA wildcards. NL: PHI, STL,ARIZ div. winners, SF, WAS WC.

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

That rotation has the potential to be really awesome

I still like the Phils and Braves more in the the division

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by DerekH91 on Feb 2, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Strasburg won't pitch 200 innings, Jordan Zimmermann probably won't pitch 200 innings

Edwin Jackson is meh, Gio Gonzalez is overrated, Chien-Ming Wang’s last name is Wang…

I don’t see it yet. They’ll be filthy in a year or two, but they aren’t there yet

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by UncleWeez on Feb 2, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

edit: not the Mets. I forgot about the Mets.

But honestly, who hasn’t?

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Buckner

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

and the '69 Cubs

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by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Me.

#stillmadabout1999
#it’smylastname!

by the finest muffins on Feb 2, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Very strange to see it spelled with an S.

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by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

because i am the person to judge spelling!

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by Yossarian22 on Feb 2, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

But you ARE the perfect person to judge seplling!

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 3, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

*our

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by jch24 on Feb 3, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

*

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by BubbaFan on Feb 3, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

They forgot Yore

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by jch24 on Feb 3, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

And "it's" and "its"

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

This is helpful!

I’m going to print it off for my kids. They’re always misspelling those fucking words. It drives me fucking crazy!

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Feb 3, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

T. Finest Muffins Mets?

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by DerekH91 on Feb 2, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It all depends on Strausburg, I'll grant you that

But Straus/Zimmerman/Gonzalez is one hell of a front three

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by DerekH91 on Feb 2, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

IP excluded

and Stras and Zimm are and will continue to be something special. Gio Gonzalez is not even in the same conversation.

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by UncleWeez on Feb 3, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I was so pumped that we got Latos not Gonzalez

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by UncleWeez on Feb 3, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling that division is going to beat up on each other

The Phils, Braves, Nats and Marlins all have the potential to put up winning records.

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by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Phi, ATL, Was will all beat up on one another.

I don’t see Arizona repeating, either.

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"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 2, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I would kind of agree, but that division is one big bowl of wrong right now.

The Dodgers, and Rox made no real significant moves and the Pads acquired a bunch of talent, but that is not quite ready for prime-time. The D’Backs added an above average SP in Cahill, and get back Stephen Drew, which moves Wee Willie Bloomquist back to the bench. The Giants should be better, getting Posey back, and hopefully inserting Belt into the lineup everyday. It is looking like a repeat of last year in that the D’Backs and Giants will be in the top two spots.

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by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

heh, forgot about Stephen Drew.

He’s basically what we’re hoping Cozart is, right? Except Zackie has better defense?

That 2007 playoffs was weird, I’m looking at them now. Colorado, Arizona, Cubs, and Phillies in the NL: Rockies swept through and then got buzzsawed by the Red Sox in the world series.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

His best season was in 2010 - he hit .278/.352/.458

If Coz did that, he might be a 5 win player.

And he’d probably have stalkers

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by DerekH91 on Feb 2, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

Cozart has yet to snap his leg in half, though.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Drew is never the same player again. That break was straight up NASTY.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see Coz hitting for that high an average

I don’t think it would be impossible for him, but I’m just not quite ready to think he’ll hit north of .270.

by pack_fan on Feb 4, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see him getting on base that much

He’s not a OBP guy.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 4, 2012 6:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd put the odds of that OBP at about 0%

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by kcgard2 on Feb 4, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I might go a little higher than that

He did have that one good year in 2009.

Flukes happen. See Melky Cabrera’s first year.

I’d give him a 5% chance of hitting that OBP.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 4, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me qualify

if Cozart gets 400+ ABs, my odds would be 0.5%

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by kcgard2 on Feb 4, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

also,

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

uh huh...

olney is going to look like an idiot come next october

by alcory11 on Feb 3, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeez luh weez

Intentional Talk on MLBN is turrible.

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by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

did you see the Reds Baseball IQ

on Tuesday? Rich Linville did us well compared to the Braves/Marlins I saw in rerun earlier that day. I missed who won tonight to face Linville.

by Howie Feltersnatch on Feb 2, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He was awesome

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by BK on Feb 2, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

he rapped out some obscure names

on a couple questions. i was impressed. he called that Pirates guy out in the 9th. up by five, he bids 7…and nailed it.

by Howie Feltersnatch on Feb 2, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmmm

He’s lost his baby-sitter, hasn’t he? Er, “accountability partner.” Johnny Narron left the Rangers in November. He joined his brother Jerry with the Brewers. The “package deal” is no more.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 2, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize his time with the Reds was not always smooth,

and Narron was part of the reason that he became an issue in the clubhouse.

But the devastation you can read in his quotes about his first relapse suggests how profoundly difficult this battle has been for him. If he needs someone to help him stay on the wagon, I think that’s perfectly fine—and seemingly necessary. He is lucky to have people who are so willing to help him. Reading about this recent relapse made me quite sad, he suffers from an extremely serious disease and even the smallest slip-up can throw him over the edge.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Feb 3, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't doubt that it's been difficult

No one chooses addiction.

The problem with relying on someone else to stay sober is that someone else is not going to be around all the time. From his comments after the Reds fired Jerry, he really thought he and Johnny were going to be together forever. Even your spouse may not stick with you forever, let alone a team employee. If he’s really that dependent on Johnny Narron, the Reds were probably right to trade him.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 3, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

That could be,

but there are certainly people who can’t rely only on themselves. He seems to be one of them, and he has the resources to have someone to help him. I don’t disagree that is an insecure position to be in, but there’s not a lot of evidence that he has much of an alternative. He’s gone about as far down the road of addiction as one can go. That he’s even turned it around at all is pretty amazing.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Feb 3, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

there are plenty of good people with not a lot of self-control

not that I can definitively say Josh Hamilton is a good person, but in general I think that’s the case. I know that if I was an addict, I’d have a bitch of a time staying sober.

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by UncleWeez on Feb 3, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the thing is that a lot of us can't fathom being an addict.

If there is something I shouldn’t do anymore (most likley case is drinking) I’ll stop. I’m the kind of person that has that kind of control, but there are others that are not. For most people that don’t have addictive traits it is really hard to understand.

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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 3, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think addiction is beyond self-control

that’s the whole problem. You can’t rely on yourself or even on just one other person. You need a whole network of people all helping each other, hence AA.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Feb 3, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I don’t have an addictive personality, but I also sometimes have trouble with moderation. Be it second helpings, another beer, etc. I’ve smoked a cigarette before in my life, but I’m not a smoker. I drink, sometimes to excess, but I’m not an alcoholic.

I can’t even imagine how hard it must be for someone like JH. I wish him the best.

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by UncleWeez on Feb 3, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYY

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by jch24 on Feb 3, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm not sure that this is about you

and I’m not sure that it’s not.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Feb 3, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops! I forgot to add this:

:)

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Feb 3, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You forgot the second :)

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by jch24 on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

:)

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Feb 3, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we can

and we can’t.

There’s been some fascinating research done on the brain. It’s like we all have multiple personalities. When it comes to temptation – sex, booze, food, spending, whatever – we can’t imagine how compelling those things will be for us until we’re in the grips of temptation.

People who are most successful at resisting are the ones who don’t trust themselves. People who think they have plenty of willpower and don’t make an effort to stay out of situations where they’ll be tempted are the ones who succumb.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 3, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He had a crack problem, right?

I get a drinking problem, I even get a coke habit. There are plenty of people who have drank or used coke recreationally and never had any sort of addition.

I don’t get why anybody would ever try crack. Crack seems like something that never ends well for anyone.

Not that I judge, everyone has their demons, some people just have the misfortune having life crippling demons.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 3, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

there was a study that came out today

That found some people use hard drugs into middle age, and don’t really have a problem with it. Well, no addiction problem anyway. It’s just recreational. Just as some people can drink now and then and not become alcoholics, some people can do coke or heroin and not become addicts.

The people who are vulnerable to addiction are those who are easily bored. Sensation seekers, I guess you’d call them. Worse, drugs like coke change your brain chemistry, so that the normal pleasures of life aren’t as enjoyable. Your neurons get so used to the artificial stimulation of coke that normal things like great food, a beautiful woman, a gorgeous sunset, just aren’t very interesting. This lasts for years after you quit doing the drug, and perhaps forever. Life seems flat and boring…even if you’re a pro baseball player, I suspect.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 3, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I can agree with that

People with A.D.D. are much more likely to get addicted, not only are they constantly seeking sensation, but they lack the self discipline to keep drugs an alcohol, which can be okay as a sometimes thing, a sometimes thing.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 3, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh shit, I remember reading about that

oddly enough I think I first heard of it because of Red Reporter.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 3, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The first I heard of ted Reporter

was when I was a little buggerfly eating tesin.

by crolfer on Feb 3, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ted Reporter: That's Racist!

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by BK on Feb 4, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah that certainly turns up some interesting pictures

and according to wikipedia the life expectancy for an addict is two to three years. How is something like that even popular at all, it basically kills off anyone who uses it.

by pack_fan on Feb 3, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a poor man's heroin

I don’t think anyone uses krokodil first. Interestingly enough many people who get into heroin because they are addicted to pain killers, which can happen due to needed pain relief for an extended period of time.

I am guessing people who use krokodil are people who are at the end of their rope. and some of them may have slipped into it innocently enough with a back injury.

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by Yossarian22 on Feb 4, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah as I read a little more on it thats what I gathered

is its cheap and relatively easy to create. The worst side effects are from them injecting the drug with a number of other toxic chemicals in it due to what is used to make it, rather than the actual drug itself.

by pack_fan on Feb 4, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope he gets better

Addiction is a shitty, shitty thing, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

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by DerekH91 on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope he gets better.

Anybody wanna trade Mat Latos for him right now? (joking, but a point to be made)

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 3, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm still hoping he was just out to have a beer

because that would mean he’s to the point where he can do just that…go have A beer. It doesn’t sound like that’s what happened here, though, and that’s disappointing.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember that he can't even smell alcohol.

They had their special clubhouse celebrations for him and all that. I don’t think there is such a thing as “just a beer” for him.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think its impossible

no one is ever going to hear about those stories, just the bad ones.

by pack_fan on Feb 4, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

You hear all the time about "recovering" addicts who have been sober for a long time

but you never hear about a “recovered” addict.

I am sure their are people on this board who quit smoking, but they still want a cigarette. My Dad quit smoking 10 years ago and still wants a cigarette.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 4, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I can answer to that

I smoked for an extended period of time, though it was never a lot unless I was drinking. quitting was a process that took a fairly long time, and its only been about 2 years where when I see someone with a cigarette I don’t immediately want one. Now the craving is basically gone completely, which certainly isn’t typical. Though there was a time there where I could smoke maybe a cigarette a month and not have the urge to buy a pack, so in a sense I was able to fight the urge even after partaking in a cigarette. This might be why I hold my above opinion, but I don’t doubt that if it were someone that had been addicted to something for a much longer time than I was wouldn’t be able to have the same results as myself. I guess you could say I quit at the right time.

by pack_fan on Feb 4, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

fine, proove me wrong with your "first hand experience"

insert emoticon here.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 4, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's totally impossible

You do hear about alcoholics who eventually get to the point where they can drink socially.

But it’s very rare, and the vast majority cannot. I would say Josh Hamilton shouldn’t even try to get to that point. He’s obviously particularly vulnerable. I think he’s one of those who should never drink again. Or aim for that, anyway.

Cocaine is especially difficult. People can relapse 10, 15, 20 years later. Basically, if you let down your guard – if you think you’ve beaten it – that’s when you’re vulnerable.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 4, 2012 6:38 AM EST up reply actions  

yup

He says he went out drinking because he had situation with his a family member. I’m guessing a fight with his wife.

He hid his drinking from Ian Kinsler, who was with him, so it wasn’t just a casual beer.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 3, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

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