The only 2012 Reds prospect list you'll ever need
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 16, 2012 8:03 AM EST
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PrintAs we did last year, we're giving the Rotten Tomatoes treatment to Reds' prospect rankings and placing that alongside our own crowd-sourced Community Prospect Rankings for your consideration. This enables us to see every instance where the experts are wrong so that you can begin your fevered letter-writing campaign. Or, more charitably, it gives us a fuller picture of where each young player stands entering the 2012 season.
The rankings that were averaged below were those of John Sickels, Kevin Goldstein (at BPro) and Baseball America. Each set of expert picks values different attributes in prospects, as does the Red Reporter readership, but at the very least this list should give credit to prospects with both high ceilings AND major-league-readiness, while smoothing out some of the disagreement.
Thanks to BK and 'creds for their hard work and dutiful chest compressions on the CPR. The system may need a little pulmonary resuscitation, but still boasts a number of very high upside prospects at premium positions whose ETAs will come due within the next few seasons. Add that to the three first/supplemental round picks the Reds will have in June and high hopes for Mr. Stephenson and several other savvy picks from the 2011 draft and I'd say the farm is far from gutted.
A few notes:
- Devin Mesoraco wasn't a consensus #1, but he's as close as possible (3 of 4 #1s to go with a #2 from BPro). Along with his 1st round pedigree, high minors performance and depth of professional experience, there's no reason he shouldn't be roughly splitting time with Hanigan to start 2012.
- The response to Daniel Corcino was pretty coherent too. Until we see Stephenson in action and Cingrani moving forward as a starter, he's at the head of the starting pitching class.
- Most divisive prospects: Neftali Soto - Top 5 for us, but didn't crack the Top 10 for Sickels; Tony Cingrani - who Sickels is very high on and thinks could be a #3 starter, while BPro puts him in the middle of the pack with a reliever ceiling; JC Sulbaran, who BPro loves unrequited; Denis Phipps; Kyle Lotzkar; Juan Duran; Gabriel Rosa
- Biggest gaps between Red Reporter and "the experts": Neftali Soto, Denis Phipps, Juan Duran, Gabriel Rosa, Ryan Wright
** "999" = unranked
| Prospect | CPR | BA | BPro | Sickels | Experts' avg. | All 4 avg. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Devin Mesoraco |
1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1.33 | 1.25 |
| Zack Cozart |
2 | 3 | 3 | 5 | 2.67 | 3.25 |
| Billy Hamilton |
3 |
2 |
1 |
2 |
1.67 | 2.00 |
| Daniel Corcino |
4 |
4 |
5 |
3 |
4.00 |
4.00 |
| Neftali Soto |
5 |
8 |
9 |
11 |
9.33 |
8.25 |
| Robert Stephenson |
6 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 4.33 | 4.75 |
| Yorman Rodriguez |
7 | 14 | 11 | 9 | 11.33 | 10.25 |
| Todd Frazier |
8 |
7 |
8 |
8 |
7.67 |
7.83 |
| Henry Rodriguez |
9 |
13 |
10 | 10 | 11.00 | 10.5 |
| Didi Gregorius |
10 | 6 | 7 | 7 | 6.67 | 7.5 |
| Tony Cingrani |
11 |
11 |
16 |
6 |
11.00 |
11.00 |
| JC Sulbaran |
12 | 9 | 6 | 12 | 9.00 | 9.75 |
| Denis Phipps |
13 | 999 | 999 | 20 | 21.33 | 19.25 |
| Kyle Lotzkar |
14 | 25 | 12 | 15 | 17.33 | 20.67 |
| David Vidal |
15 | 21 | 999 | 13 | 19.00 | 17.75 |
| Juan Duran |
16 | 28 | 19 | 999 | 20.67 | 19.5 |
| Tucker Barnhart |
17 | 25 | 18 | 18 | 19 | 18.5 |
| Donald Lutz |
18 | 999 |
999 |
999 | 22.0 | 21.0 |
| Amir Garrett |
19 | 18 | 999 | 999 | 20.67 |
20.25 |
| Ryan LaMarre |
20 | 999 | 17 | 999 | 20.33 | 20.50 |
| Chris Manno |
21 | 999 | 999 | 999 | 22.00 | 21.75 |
| Gabriel Rosa |
22 | 15 | 15 | 17 | 15.67 | 17.25 |
| Junior Arias |
23 | 999 | 999 | 19 | 21 | 21.50 |
| Josh Smith |
24 | 999 | 999 | 999 | 22.00 | 21.75 |
| Sean Buckley |
25 | 19 | 999 | 999 | 21.00 | 21.00 |
| Ryan Wright |
999 | 18 | 20 | 999 | 20.00 | 20.50 |
Single listers:
Tim Crabbe (Sickels #14)
Chris Valaika (BA #16)
Donnie Joseph (BA #22)
Jonathan Perez (BA #24)
Donald Lutz(RR #18)
Chris Manno (RR #21)
Josh Smith (RR #24)
#
Methods, inspired by JinAZ: I just averaged the rank of each prospect across the three evaluators for the "experts avg." I added the CPR and averaged all four rankings for the "All 4 avg." To avoid too much torpedo effect, if a guy was not ranked in a list, I assigned him the rank of 22 for composting purposes and if he appeared below 20 in the BA or RR list, I assigned a 21.
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It still boggles my mind that we ranked Soto so high, and the experts rated Yorman so low.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
It boggles my mind that BA ranked Valaika at all, much less at 16
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
maybe they are just really down on the rest of our farm system?
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Where will Corcino start this season?
What’s his ceiling for the next year or so?
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
I think he'll start in Bakersfield, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him start in AA.
Bakersfield can really make a pitcher look bad, and they might try to push him a bit this year.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 16, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he'll start in A+
I think the Reds think it is really important to keep that Dayton crew from last year together.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 16, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Cueto started 2007 in A+ didn't he?
Not saying he will close the season AAA and compete for a 2013 rotation spot, but it wouldn’t be unheard of.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
That would be great if he were in Arizona next season putting some pressure on Leake to pitch well and earn his spot.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna assume that some of the older, more vision-impaired RR's intended to vote Rosa, but accidentally voted for Soto
Rosa is the real deal. Scouts love, luv, lurve him. He’ll be the fastest riser this year.
by poojols on Feb 16, 2012 10:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm sure Raven Riley will be all over that.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 16, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I'm no math geek
but something seems fishy about Cozart’s averages.
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I think the experts average was suppose to be 3.67.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 16, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Is that really Mesoraco in the picture?
It doesn’t look like him, I don’t think.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I thought it was Bruce at first glance.
Then I realized he was right handed.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Heisey has a beard and is slimmer.
I think.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 16, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
From that angle, you can't really see the evil in his eyes
The horror….the horror….
by ams78 on Feb 16, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The Reds signed former Loveland HS star
Jason Christian to a minor league deal this week. Intersting guy. He was Oakland’s fifth-round pick out of Michigan in 2008 and much of his value was in that he definitely could remain at shortstop. He didn’t. The A’s moved him to third base and outside of rookie ball he was just a mediocre hitter at best.
Christian is 24. Last season he went 1-9-.273/.324/.375 in AA and 3-19-.259/.308/.364 in Hi-A. I figure he’ll start the season at Pensacola. Probably no more than roster filling, but maybe he’s a late bloomer who needed a change of scenery.
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by Thundering Turtle on Feb 16, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions
Jason Christian oh the time has come
You know that you’re the only one
To stay
In high-A
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 16, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
This is poor Haiku form
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
"Hell yeah."
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by BK on Feb 16, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There are now Reds minor leaguers from mt HS and College alma maters
Way to go Walt
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Where's obc?
Interesting…http://m.cnbc.com/us_news/46413058/1
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 16, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions
this is something i'm struggling with right now.
My wife and I are house hunting right now in Cincinnati. We don’t want a place that we’ll grow out of in 6-7 years. We won’t make any money on it.
Same
We’re looking to buy in the next few years, but aside from social convention, I’m not sure why.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 16, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
If I was in the Midwest, I'd think about buying
But not in the DC area. I’ve had too many friends want a house and go out and buy and within 2-3 years they’re already regretting it. Everything is centralized it just doesn’t make sense to buy a house – unless of course you’ve got half a million or so dollars to throw around (for the cheap houses)
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
My friend bought a house in Columbia Heights (closer to Howard U) about 4 years back
he’s gonna make a killing once he sells it. So you see that and are like “hey! what a great idea!” but lol, no that happens to one person out of a hundred.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Yeah that was a damn good idea
Maybe I should do that where I live…I can already see the changes taking place
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
There's a good return if you follow the urban bohemians and spot the trend before full-on gentrification
It’s speculative, to be sure.
it works in DC, I feel, because they'll likely stay.
the whole thing becomes a pyramid scheme where you want to find another buyer instead of just more renters.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Plus there's the question of whether, you know,
you want to personally profit by speculating in a longstanding neighborhood that you have made no effort to improve in a meaningful way. Most people have no problem with that. I personally would not feel comfortable doing so.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I should say,
because that sounded crabby, that I don’t mean to go full-on Henry Georgist here but I do think there is something to be said for the concept of the “unearned increment.” I am not a big fan of means of earning money that entail no production or labor. That said, if someone buys a house in a neighborhood – whatever kind of neighborhood it happens to be – and makes an effort to live there and improve their community, then profiting from a wise investment is alright. But if you are sniffing around for the next boom and thus buy cheap and are a crappy landlord, or if you buy to flip and in the process raise prices for all your neighbors who thus have to find somewhere else to live…that’s not cool.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Feb 16, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
You lost me at the end about flipping.
Isn’t it almost always a good thing when someone buys a house in your neighborhood and fixes it up? Doesn’t that improve property values for existing neighbors?
I’ve seen some situations where the property taxes skyrocket and longtime residents are forced out by that cost. There are simple laws to be written to prevent that, for sure. Am I missing something else?
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think there's a difference
between people who want to live there, and people who are only investing.
Flippers don’t necessarily put any work into a house. That’s the problem. The price increases, but the value of the house doesn’t.
A few investors are okay, but too many of them, and you get…well, what happened. It was the equivalent of two people selling the same house back and forth, at ever increasing prices. That’s just not going to end well.
Some neighborhoods in Atlanta were ruined. (Georgia has lenient banking rules, and so was very hard-hit, even though they didn’t suffer the crash that Arizona, California, and Florida did.) Basically, everyone and their sister was trying to flip houses. There were organized gangs that paid illegal immigrants to take out mortgages they had no intention of repaying. It drove home prices so high a lot of legitimate buyers were priced out…then came the crash, and legitimate buyers who bought high were left way underwater. People got screwed on the way up, and on the way down.
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Some flippers also by houses to fix and resell
I live in a pretty middle class safe neighborhood, I would say most the families in the neighborhood make between $40K-100K.
The house next to us was pretty much the example of sub prime mortgage gone bad. Nobody had a steady well paying job and they ended up falling behind on their mortgage and were foreclosed. They had nothing to really lose, so they trashed the house, and stripped it of all its copper piping and wiring.
It sat empty for a year, and finally a couple of for lack of a better term handy men bought the house, fixed it up,and sold it to a young family. I don’t know if that is normal or not, but that type of investing and flipping is good for the neighborhood, as most buyers really weren’t interested in buying a trashed house which was pretty much stripped on the inside.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
I know people who do that, too
They used to make a living at it, before the crash. Just move from one fixer-upper to another, selling once they got it into shape, then moving on to the next one.
I don’t think that’s what Cuetotally was talking about, though. He was specifically said his gripe was with profiting without doing any labor.
Someone who fixes up a fixer-upper is definitely doing labor.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Bubba got my drift,
though I’ll add on to say that I don’t necessarily think someone buying a house to improve it for the purpose of making money for themselves, with the outcome of raising property values for their neighbors, is always or necessarily a positive thing. In a neighborhood where most people rent and have little money, when property values begin to soar then longtime residents typically get pushed out. Or property taxes skyrocket and homeowners living on the margin lose out. Cincinnati hasn’t seen as much of this, obviously, but look at a neighborhood like the Lower East Side in NY and how exclusive it has become.
This is a problem that could theoretically be lessened through low-income cooperative ownership, or provision of permanent affordable housing, but there typically isn’t much of a will for that—especially as a neighborhood becomes increasingly middle-class and people begin to say “not in my backyard.”
A housing market centered around the objective and ideal of rising property values as an end in itself creates a lot of problems, as we have seen over the last few years. Hyperactive obsession about property values also has played a major role in exacerbating segregation by income and race in the U.S. My feeling is basically that housing viewed as a short-term and speculative investment creates a lot of problems for other people, and the people who benefit don’t have to stick around to deal with those problems. However, if you move somewhere and make a commitment to the place and try to improve things for the people who lived there before you and also to your own home, I think those kinds of situations – where everyone gains – are okay.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Feb 18, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
The freedom to alter the property (within limits) and stability are good reasons
You don’t have to worry about your landlord refusing to fix things, or jacking up the rent, or pulling some other damn fool stunt. You don’t need permission to redo the bathroom.
OTOH, you have to fix every goddamned thing that breaks, or else pay through the nose to have it fixed. Goddamned gutters fall off of goddamned houses, and decks need to be stained, and fucking tiles come loose in fucking bathtubs, and shit-eating sinks won’t stop dripping even when you change the goddamned motherfucking seals, and then water leaks in the wall and you have to tear out and replace all the drywall and discover there is a family of satanic uber-wasps living INSIDE YOUR FUCKING WALL HOW THE FUCK DID THEY EVEN GET IN THERE SHIT SHIT SHIT RUN THEY ARE ALL OVER THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!
But hey, it’s pretty fun.
The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 16, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
And
You sit at the closing table and sign your name till your whole arm swells. But you got a fixed rate, so you know what your payment will be for thirty years.
But after the first year, the mortgage company tells you that your eskrow account is underfunded. So you payment goes up $60.
The next year, your property taxes increase. Your payment goes up $55.
The next year, your homeowner’s premiums increase. Your payment goes up $45.
Then you are informed that the map has been redrawn and your house is now in the flood plain, and you need to purchase flood insurance.
But it’s cool to come home and know that the house is yours.
by poojols on Feb 16, 2012 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you fellas are trying to convince me
you are doing an awful, awful job.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 16, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but eventually you get to foreclose on the bank
So that’s pretty cool.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
never understood this "i own a house" thing
when the banks are the ones that actually own it. i mean, house payments/mortgage are synonyms for rent, really, especially if you’re doing it for 30 years. it’s just that the banks are landlords and they make you fix your own shit. you miss a couple of payments, boom! no house for you!
that being said, it’d be nice to live in the same place to raise your kids, so it makes sense.
Well, you own the equity on whatever you've paid
eventually you’ll own 100% of the house
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
You also have more freedom in your own home
A landlord can tell you you can’t hang pictures on the wall, have pets, or may be slow to handle maintenance issues.
Also the Landlord can decide that you are not allowed to live their anymore at the end of you lease, simply because he wants to live their or wants to sell the property to somebody who does not want to rent the house.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Or tell you not to build a fallout shelter under the back yard.
And stock it up good.
With guns and ammo.
And cheetos.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
by bbjones on Feb 16, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/'merican!
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Just another lie the plutocrats tell you
so that we stay at home and watch TV instead of revolting for what is ours, the land on this earth.
by Eastwindquinn on Feb 16, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
The flip side
…. is that mortgage rates drop yet again and so you re-finance and now your monthly payment has dropped by about $400 a month. Have you ever lived somewhere where the rent went down substantially after having lived there a while?
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yes
Landlords can’t afford to let units sit empty, so if there aren’t enough tenants, they lower the rent. They also give you free months if you stay, and bonuses if you recruit your friends to rent. Or if you’re a good tenant, they will lower the rent just to keep you. (Tenants who can be trusted to pay on time, not disturb the neighbors, and not trash the place are worth their weight in gold.)
Going through that right now. Ten units in my building, and at least half of them are empty. It’s the worst I’ve ever seen it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
bugs!
I came across this today, about dinosaurs being eaten by beetles.
I had no idea there were bugs that ate bone.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Can't sleep. Beetles will eat me.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 16, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I just saw a car with a vanity plate that red LBGF
I thought of you.
I am worried that I think of RR when I am not on RR or even in the house.
I should probably seek therapy.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Start with really low lending rates and a hopefully bottomed-out property market
You throw in the mortgage interest and property tax deduction, and the true per month cost should be lower than rent at an equivalent property.
The maintenance can bite you. I took a hit with our old basement, so I shopped around when we moved last year for a property that wouldn’t have the same issues. I’d also try to get a place where you won’t have to fix the roof in the near future. I guess you can hedge your bets with a property warranty, but I don’t know how good those are.
I renewed my home warranty for 3 years waiting for my furnace to crap out
It worked, but it was terribly inefficient. Finally I just said fuckit and replaced the damn thing. I also canceled the home warranty.
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to be fair, Slyde
Not everyone who owns a home has as much free time as you, nor or they as handy!
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by obc2 on Feb 16, 2012 3:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think you are conflating two very different definitions of "handy"
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 16, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
this was overlooked
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 16, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone should have as much free time as me
It really allows you to spend some quality time focusing on how much you hate yourself.
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by Slyde on Feb 17, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's some good old fundamental civilization-founding wisdom right there, bub.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think housing is supposed to stay flat or even get a little lower for the next few years
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yeah, I hedged it there a little because I'm not familiar with the Ohio market
Though I think some parts of the country have bottomed out. Seems to be true in the northeast.
That's my gut feeling...
But the combination of rock-bottom interest rates and low home-values makes it a pretty good time to buy a house, so long as you’re not trying to flip it in 2-3 years.
This only makes sense if you live in a place with low home prices
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I wouldn't say that's true.
I’ve seen homes listed in Indian Hill that were going for over $2 million ten years ago for only $700,000.
That's not a place with low home prices
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
As this is a buyer's market
…. you can take care of some of these things during the closing. We made the previous homeowners replace the roof as part of a condition of the sale. Just make sure to hire a really good home inspector before you close.
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The government subsidy of homeownership is cool too!
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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 16, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think it's cool
but i do deduct it.
I’m not sure why our government should be in the business of directing people to either rent or own.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
but it worked out so well for everyone!
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
The New Deal saved the country.
The New Deal ruined the country.
/selectiveendpoints’d
It's not how far you go, it's how go you far. - Dave Marshak
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 17, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
I love this illustration of selective endpoints
well done KMIB
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I completely agree
It needs to be gradually phased out over a 15-25 year period.
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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 17, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
It is questionable as whether real estate will be the big and fast money maker it was for the last 30 years.
House mortgages now generally take up to 50% or more of (after tax) income for a majority of Americans and unless the market is artificially enhanced again (see 2008) it is going to be hard to make that big $$$ unless you stay in one place now for maybe 15 or more years. That can be pretty risky because you might choose the ‘wrong neighborhood’. So move to Mt. Lookout, Wyoming, Mariemont, Hyde Park or Indian Hill for a sure thing…if you can afford it.. If not well then -
Good Luck Kids.
Ain’t corporate America grand…especially the banking sector.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Guy who sells one type of investment discourages other types of investment.
(not) interesting.
by FordhamRam on Feb 16, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but he is right
Single-family homes, purchased as your primary residence, are generally not a very good investment. There are plenty of reasons to buy rather than rent, but making money is not a good one. When you account for all the additional expenses, it is not generally going to be a very good return, even if you hold the home for a long time.
There was a lot of money to be made during the bubble, but even then making money on a primary residence was largely a matter of luck, since when you sell your primary residence (during a boom), most people turn around and buy a replacement (during the same boom). You make money on the one you sold, then lose it all on the new one when the market tanks.
There are of course exceptions, but for most people a primary residence turns out to be a fairly low-yield investment over the course of their life. Of course, for many people it is the ONLY investment, and in that sense (buying a house vs. blowing the savings on tacos and loose women) it is usually superior.
There is plenty of money to be made in buying additional homes to use as rental properties, or in real estate speculation, but there is also plenty of work (and risk). Buying a primary residence should be considered for its own advantages (of which there are many), not as an investment strategy.
I’m still regretting not selling my house in 2007, before it lost 33% of its value. I could have moved back in with my parents, and had plenty of taco money.
The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 16, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
If we end up breaking even we see it as a worthwhile endeavor.
Along with buying comes the prospect of refinancing and opening a HELOC. There’s no equity to be had in rentals.
I wouldn't say he's right.
He’s using selective endpoints in a way that deliberately skews his sample size and provide him the outcome he’s looking to obtain. Homeowners have lost a ton of equity over the past decade due to the housing collapse. However, to simply conclude that buying is worse than renting “100% of the time” is a preposterous assertion.
He has a point and some supporting data, but grossly overstates his case
He’s the Dave Cameron of investment analysis!
by ken on Feb 16, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, "100% of the time" is pretty fucking stupid
But on average the return on a primary residence is going to be lower than the return on other available investments. Obviously, there are numerous examples where this isn’t the case.
The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 16, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
The benefit of housing as an investment,
at least for those who actually live in their homes for a reasonable amount of time, is that it keeps the investor’s money rooted in one place. This point was made in a New York Times piece last year—the thing about housing is not that it is an awesome investment by yield, but that people tend to be very gunshy and impatient with stock investments and thus don’t wait long enough for them to be worthy. But Americans do typically keep their houses for a decent haul since they live in them.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Feb 16, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
This seems to fit my view (not that my view matters)
I am not against ever owning a house, but I would like a few things to happen first. First and foremost I would like to have a steady job for 2 or 3 years that I plan to keep for a while. Also my research tells me keeping a steady job for 2-3 years will get me a better interest rate.
I would also like to have somebody to share the house with, for a couple of reasons. One hopefully she would have a steady job too, so if something happens to my job or my ability to go to work, somebody can still pay the mortgage, and 2 houses can be a lot of work, and I would like to have somebody to share the work burden with.
If I end up having a career that keeps me moving around on a regular bases, I really don’t want to own a house, as I would like the flexibility of being able to up and leave that a lease gives you but home ownership doesn’t.
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Rent a house!
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Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
dear impressionable RR readers
Please don’t take investment advice from anyone A)you don’t know well or b)who blogs it anonymously online.
Most of my clients who fared the worst in recent years were self-directed individuals who knew it all, or so they thought.
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by obc2 on Feb 16, 2012 3:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
But I read it on the internet. It has to be true!
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Also, do not take investment advice from anyone who works for a publicly traded company. they are only in it for your money.
by Eastwindquinn on Feb 16, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How about from a talking baby?
would that be okay?
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by bbjones on Feb 16, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Or anyone who has investments in anything
who can we take advice from??
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Definitely not someone who has no skin in the game
those guys can’t be trusted.
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Invest in a brothel
Never goes out of style.
Always a clientele
Fringe benefits
Great return
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Feb 18, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wait, you're anonymous and I don't know you at all
CONUNDRUM
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
you don't have any assets
Therefore the conundrum is averted.
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by obc2 on Feb 16, 2012 7:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I have tremendous assets
/leans over table
/squeezes elbows in
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 16, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I, being a client of obc, barel;y escaped jail time and was lucky to only have to declare several tricky bankrupcies.
The man know what he’s talking about !!!!
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Does he advice Donald Trump?
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by Yossarian22 on Feb 18, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
in financial terms, a primary residence is a durable good, not an investment.
by Howie Feltersnatch on Feb 16, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I am so glad my parents didn't do the being a more expensive house every 5 years with the equity thing, and never refinanced.
Their house has lost $30,000 worth of value since 2009, but we moved her in 1993, so they are not even close to being underwater.
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I really want to take advantage of the down market.
That is one big reason why I need to find a full time job. In my area there are tons of houses for sale, nice houses, and for very cheap. I’m afraid I’ll get a job, but be too late to save up for a house before the market rebounds.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 16, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's not going to rebound for quite a while, right?
I don’t even think it has hit bottom yet
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I think they said it should remain the same for another 4-8 years.
And no I don’t think it has hit bottom yet. I’m just worried that I’ll miss out. For the record, in my little town of 1,000 people, I’d bet there are 20 houses for sale. All in the 50,000-$120,000 range. There are some really nice houses for sale, and they are dropping everyday. A few months ago I was looking to rent (ended up paying a friend to live in his house he was going to foreclose on) and I was thinking about asking a realtor if they rent some of them out. I’m sure there were some houses that definitely weren’t going to sell, and they might as well make a little money on it.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 16, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Damn that's dirt cheap
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
the market for existing homes still hasn't bottomed, no.
Homebuilders have been really, really tepid to re-enter the development market, too, despite the record low interest rates. I’m somewhat worried that one the existing home market stabilizes, homebuilders will begin to build again and it will further hold down prices.
I know Bernanke is on record (recently…last month, I believe) as saying the Fed won’t even look at adjusting interest rates until 2014.
My biggest issue with buying right now is not knowing where I’ll be trying to live in 3 years. With the variability of the job market at current and the type of jobs I work, I’m not sure I’m on board with buying and reducing my flexibility. Until that changes, I’ll probably be renting…err, “leasing.”
It's not how far you go, it's how go you far. - Dave Marshak
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 16, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
True, but those interest rates are going to have change at some point
There’s no way they can keep it at zero until 2014
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I think they can
In Japan, aftermath of a real estate bubble was 20 years of near-zero interest rates and dropping home prices. And counting.
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and borderline real deflation.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 16, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's going to get worse quickly.
All those foreclosures the banks were sitting on during the mortgage settlement talks are about to flood the courts.
I'd definitely recommend getting a full time job
To anyone who wants to take advantage of current economic environment.
Its also a good idea for those that wish to attract the opposite (or same) sex.
Or for those that want to travel or buy things
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by obc2 on Feb 16, 2012 3:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Poor deer?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
The last words before the deer crashed into the car:
DOE!
by FordhamRam on Feb 16, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
People may knock it, but it's not a bad way to make a buck
The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer
Economically disadvantaged deer?
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen a horse fly, I've seen a dragon fly, I've seen a house fly....but I ain't never seen a deer fly!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I've seen a deer tick
The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 16, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen a Mike Hammerstein
With awesome, 80’s-style hair
The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 16, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
That mustache is crap though
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
STOP! HAMMER-STEIN!
Respect my authoritah!
by BigBadBruce on Feb 16, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Can't stop watching
horrible for that deer though, and the people too
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
It is an allegory..
…to Joker Phillips’ tenure spinning out of control and crashing to a halt now that Tee Martin has left.
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
Joker Phillips?
Tee Martin? What is this, Pappy’s knee-slappin’ down-home mountain jug band jamboree?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 16, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's about white people, so, no.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 16, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
The reaction time of the driver is incredible.
The car was completely stopped by the time deer hit his car. I’m just assuming it’s a guy.
#womendrivelikeshit
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 16, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Homer and Heisey pull over, high-five.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 16, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Carters carreer totals: 848 BB, 997 SO. sweet.
Rest in peace Gary.
by Eastwindquinn on Feb 16, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
When I was in high school I used to work as a vendor at Riverfront Stadium
Vendors and other stadium personnel had an entrance at the bottom of the stadium – you had to wait around for the door to be opened, and if you were late they would lock it up and you weren’t working that day.
One day, for some unknown reason, a few of the visiting Mets players entered the stadium through that door, while us schlubs were hanging out, waiting to be let in. I have no idea why they did this, as the players had their own entrance.
At any rate, I got the opportunity to call Gary Carter a fucking cocksucker while they were opening the door for him. To his credit, he completely ignored it and didn’t even complain to anyone (since I would have certainly been fired if he had).
So, rest in peace Gary. Thanks to you, I got to keep that job and make enough money to buy my first car. You fucking cocksucker.
The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 16, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Did you yell at Hernandez too?
Nice game, pretty boy!
by ken on Feb 16, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Bummer
Gary Carter was universally known as one of the truly good guys.
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Yep
usually when someone like this dies, it’s a lot of fluff about what a good guy he was, etc. There’s a different tone from people who knew Carter. He really was beloved by his teammates. It’s nice to know that not all great players are dicks.
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I worked on a broadcast with him back in 1993 in Cocoa Beach, Florida.
He was terrifically nice to me, even though I brought in the beverages and there was “No D.C.” (Diet Coke)
He even smiled as he said it.
Jim Abbott pitched that day, and I got to sit in the Yankees dugout briefly. Sweet.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The best description I read
was that his teammates resented him when they played with him because he was such a genuinely good guy, but once they grew up, the resentment turned into undying respect.
We should all be so lucky.
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I can't recall bad interaction with a current or former ballplayer
Not that Ive had tons of interactions.
The closest was UC’s all-time leading hoops scorer. He was pretty sour to my staff without cause.
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Tommy Helms
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Ron was great toward me both times I spoke to him.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
This could be its own SIS, by the way
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by BK on Feb 18, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Question for gym rats/people in the know
I tried to Google and WebMD this shit, and found nothing that really was useful, and I really don’t want to see a doctor.
I have been going to the gym for a while, 2 days a week of lower body weight training, 2 days a week of upper body weight training, and 2 days a week of cardio.
Yesterday, which was a cardio day, i put in an hour (not the first time I have done that) on the elliptical, and set personal records of distance and strides in a 60 minute period. I end all my gym sessions with 30 minutes on the treadmill, to serve as a cool down, where I gradually slow my walking pace.
A few hours after I finished at the gym yesterday, I went to the grocery store, and when I came back from the grocery store my upper back was in so much pain I couldn’t really bend or anything. I didn’t do anything like slip or fall, or even bend over to pick anything up. I put heat on my back for a couple of hours, and went to bed. I woke up and it was like I never hurt my back, no pain, or even stiffness or lack of mobility.
I went back to the gym today, to do my upper body work, and my back started to stiffen up again.
Any idea at all of what I could have done to my back, or how to fix it. I have really gotten myself into a nice groove of going to the gym, and I would hate to lose it to a prolonged back injury.
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if it lasts longer than 5 days of rest you probably have strain
in general if it hurts rest….but you’re probably just sore.
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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 16, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Many women in the Miami Valley are forewarned
Yossi now has the ability to stiffen.
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You've probably gotten old.
Welcome to the club.
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by bbjones on Feb 16, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
25 is old I'm afraid
That is also about the age when I knew I truly had a spine. Because it fucking hurt all the time!
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My lower back has pretty constant stiffness/achiness
I go to the gym regularly and am 27. Life sucks sometimes
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you sit at the computer too much
Try standing instead.
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Also, this article from Men's Health
says that sitting at work all day increases your risk of heart attack and other health problems even if you are active and exercise regularly.
yeah
It’s a risk factor all its own, like smoking. Exercise can’t fix it.
I have set my home computer up to be used standing. I’m stuck sitting at work, though. :-/
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You should be dancing.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
I imagine...
You posting to RR while this plays in the background.
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You guys should all consider getting massages or seeing a chiropractor
Your back muscles can get all knotted up causing chronic back stiffness and achiness, especially if you spend a good portion of your day sitting at a computer. Getting professional medical messages can resolve a lot of back issues that people think they just have to live with. Same with seeing a chiropractor.
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Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Feb 18, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How long have you been going to the gym? 1-2 weeks? More? Less?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
More, but off an on, I went 4 to 6 days a week for about six maybe eight weeks in October and November
Then I got the flu and lost my rhythm, and really didn’t get back into the swing of going regularly until a month ago, and I have been steady for the last 4 or 5 weeks.
I also log everything, so I keep my weights steady.
I just did more research, I think i am bouncing on the elliptical too much. So I guess take the next three days off, maybe do some light walking. Go back on Monday, and make sure I have better form, see if that works.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Gotcha, good luck with it
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
one of the perks of being underemployed I have the time.
I was never exactly “healthy” but two years of sitting on my ass reading and writing while living next to Five Guys Burger and Fries was bad.
I am actually kinda surprised at how much I have taken to it, it is a nice mentally centering activity. The exercise and the iPod make me feel pretty much like I am alone, even when the gym is full. I started out dragging myself there everyday, now I kinda hate to without it, especially when I find a rhythm like I have been in.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Most people who are under employed have two jobs!
But, I did lift three times this week. Right now I can’t move my arms.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 17, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Underemployment does have a few advantages
gym time is one!
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
You probably strained it
I did the same thing last week, iced it real good, and it was still stiff yesterday but it felt okay today.
How to fix it? Stretch, before and after your workout.
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by BK on Feb 16, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
And congrats on your progress, man
My new year’s resolution was to do more of that, and I’ve been working out 6 days a week too. Feels weird when I don’t now, which is an odd feeling to have for a lifelong lazeball.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Feb 16, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
No, that is why I have carpel tunnel, silly!
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
they go hand-in-hand
Reds fan for 40 years!
by gejoe on Feb 16, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Are you thoroughly stretching your lower back before and after?
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
How fucking awkward would it be
to be a pilot for Cincinnati’s own “mile high club” airline?
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
RIP Gary Carter.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
Wow, what on Earth can he possibly provide for the Reds
other than AAA filler?
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
When he came up for the Reds, AAA was still in Indianapolis
maybe he really wants to experience a summer in Louisville!
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
He also has the distinction of being the best starting pitcher the Reds developed during the Bowden era
He is really the only starting pitcher who had any sorta extended big league success career who was developed during the Bowden era.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
it says a minor league deal
Doesn’t even say he got a spring training invite.
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You don't even know
They were so bad they threw my entire perspective off and convinced me Paul Wilson was a “very good” pitcher.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Tomko predates those guys.
He was in Cincinnati in the Pete Harnisch era!
by the finest muffins on Feb 16, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
You know what's so nice about signing Tomko?
It shows how far the Reds have come in the past three years. A pitcher of his caliber would have had a shot at making the rotation a few years ago. Now, he’s just AAA filler.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 16, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking that about Francis
2001-2005 he would have been signed with the hope he would be at the top of the Reds staff, 2006-2007, he most likely would have been signed with a guaranteed spot in the rotation.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
That's awesome!
Whatever happened to the Dmitri Young chatter? Let’s get the ’99 gang back together!
by the finest muffins on Feb 16, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Parris
could be our swing man.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 16, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Cameron still kicking around?
I just looked up that team on Baseball-Reference, I had no idea Ron Vallone was 29 in 1999 (the same age as Steve Avery!). I thought he was 4-6 years younger and was developed by the Reds.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Yep, traded for Juan Guzman
Guzman really helped the Reds down the stretch, a staff that was pretty much Harnish, scrap paper, and chewing gum.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
and, Wow Steve Avery was bad that year, like he was lucky his ERA was "only" 5.16
He walked 7.8 per 9, and struck out just 4.8.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
If all goes well he will spend the year in Somalia.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
by Yossarian22 on Feb 16, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
and worst-case scenario, he has to be in Pittsburgh for the summer.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 17, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why the heck not?
Nice to see the Reds give him a chance to see what he has left in the tank. Best case scenario, he’s healthy and finds a way to give us a 2012 version of the BAMF.
Worst case scenario? He gets cut.
Something's in the water
Giants signed Ramon Ortiz, Red Sox sign Ross Ohlendorf… oh wait, he’s not old he only seems like it.
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Someone alert Dallas Latos!
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Feb 16, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
And fill a kiddie pool full of Spaghettios™!
It’s time to let these ladies settle their grievances as Jesus intended: by wrestling in bikinis amid a tomato sauce.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's in Brett's nipple, silly.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 17, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
common, mads, that's totally unrealistic.
wife intern
ftfy
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