Red Reposter - Four days until Spring Training! Suck on that, winter!
Blog Red Machine compares some hitting graphs from Brandon Phillips and Drew Stubbs
There are very stark differences between the two. In fact, you aren't likely to find two hitters on the Reds who have more different plate approaches than these two. The end results are surprisingly similar though, as their career wOBAs are nearly identical (.328/.329). But Phillips has a great contact rate, and Stubbs is one of the worst in the league in that regard.
I always thought Mo Egger was old
He's not. But Mo Egger is kind of an old man's name, right? I would expect a man named Mo Egger to be long retired from some antiquated occupation like buggy manufacturing, carpetbagging, or phrenology. I should have put it all together long ago, but I don't live in the Cincy area and I've never heard him on the radio. But I mean, the man has a picture of himself on his blog and everything. I guess I always figured that was someone else, like a mascot or a stock photo found by searching "Reds fan" on Shutterstock.
Anyway, the Big League Stew asked the Egg Man to list the 10 best things about being a Reds fan. It's a strong list, written by a man who loves his Reds and knows a lot about them. The best reason is the Reds two best players, Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips. Also mentioned are the newly developed area around the park, Barry Larkin, and Pete Rose. Check out the whole list. It got me that much more excited about the upcoming season.
Fay ruminates on third base
Basically, everything depends on Scott Rolen remaining healthy. Of course, that's a relative term. A healthy Joey Votto is going to play 160 games. A healthy Scott Rolen will probably top out at 120-130 games. Fortunately, they do have some viable alternatives. Juan Francisco and Todd Frazier are the most likely back ups, and both are perfectly capable of playing quality baseball. Of course, everything here is ifs and buts.
Doug Gray looks at the list of prospects with invitations to Spring Training
and discusses their chances of breaking out with the big league club. It's all a good, informative overview, but here's the snippet about Andrew Brackman:
"The Reds brought Brackman in this offseason on a minor league deal. He has Major League quality stuff, and claims he has figured out his control problems that he struggled with in 2011 in the minors for the Yankees. If the Reds bullpen weren’t stacked, I would suggest that he has a chance to find a spot with a good showing. However, the Reds bullpen is pretty stacked and I think that unless an injury or two happens, he will find his way back to AAA."
Mark Sheldon has his omnibus Spring Training preview
It's got everything you need to know heading into Spring Training, so if you've been away all winter or if you just feel like brushing up, I recommend clicking on through.
The Roy Oswalt sitch just won't resolve
Resolve, damn you! Why won't you resolve! While Walt Jocketty reiterated that he thinks RoyO will end up with the Rangers, Jayson Stark says that ain't gonna happen. At this point, I really don't think he's going to end up in Cincy. But it remains unresolved.
I haven't listened to it yet myself
but Redleg Nation Radio talks to Devin Mesoraco about preparing for his first big league season.
Jay Bruce is featured in a commercial for the new MLB 2K12
with two other lefties, CJ Wilson and David Price. That's kinda neat, huh? All of them are left-handed! I think that's neat! Oh yeah, and some chick.
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"some chick!!"

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 15, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions 20 recs
this needs 30+ recs!!!
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by obc2 on Feb 15, 2012 10:41 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think I'm too old to rec it.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
nope
she is just too young for you to buy her a drink before hand!
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
by Yossarian22 on Feb 15, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
If that young woman somehow fell into my universe...
we’d not likely be in a situation where I could buy her a drink.
Now, if I gave her $40 for babysitting my kids and then her drove her home because her boyfriend had to borrow her car…
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
That girl is too ridiculous to exist.
Where’s Kathy Ireland?
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 15, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I miss Kathy Ireland
She was my favorite in 6th grade even with the 20 year age differnce.
I would name the mother Kathy on Oregon Trail when I would play in school.
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
...which is totally normal
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 15, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was in 6th grade damnit
Dont judge children!
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
by brown11b on Feb 15, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Never hinder a childs' imagination!!
How do you think the world gets all these Dr.s, Cops & Swim models??
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 15, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I met Kathy Ireland, 3 things that I remember from that meeting:
1. She was really fucking tall
2. She was quite pretty with minimal make-up etc.
3. she was very nice, but alas struck me as dumber than a board.
Unfortunately she was also a model…see what they make models do!!!

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Yeah. Let me know when you're planning to borrow her car, mkay?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
This is making RedReporter NSFW
I have to quickly scroll down the thread as much as I want to leave it focus on this.
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
click on the title and the body of the comment will collapse
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Feb 15, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Listen to Colin Cowherd be a douche...
….and get Kate Upton to hang up on him http://deadspin.com/5885390/kate-upton-hangs-up-on-colin-cowherd-after-he-asks-what-shes-wearing-how-much-she-gets-paid
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
I guess Upton left him for the guy paving his driveway.
Also, Rovell proposing to a woman, even as a joke, when his wife is pregnant is a bit weird.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I envy Joey Votto for never having heard of that guy
Respect my authoritah!
by BigBadBruce on Feb 15, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks jch
I never knew that was possible.
This should be SBNation tip of the day.
The more you know…
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
it is a common curiosity to include a subject line with a .gif or .jpg for that reason.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
I WAS wondering about that
but I thought I was alone…
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by Slyde on Feb 15, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No, you're not alone. It's..
come on.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
This is true only if the picture is easy on the eyes
if it’s something no one wants to see, always omit the subject line
i disagree
i think you should do it for everything, like Brownb is at work, he probably wants to minimize that.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs
This I will not minimize
And good feelings about this picture still push me to rec it
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
Looks like someone got Word Of The Day toilet paper for their birthday
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Feb 16, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd.
But now I can’t shake loose the image of Madville sitting on the pot.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
excuse me while I go find a cash machine..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't aware Kate uptown was only 19
Ack. The SI cover model should at least be in their 20s, dammit
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by obc2 on Feb 15, 2012 10:40 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I am of the age where I should not be thinking about how anything about a 19 or 20 year old swimsuit model can make me 'feel better.'
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
/not HLM'd
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Feb 15, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Our good friend highlifeman21 is dating a girl that is about 20, he is in his early 30s
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
And, to continue the meme explanation
If you want to talk to HLM about this, check back in this thread in about 4 to 6 business days.
It's not how far you go, it's how go you far. - Dave Marshak
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 15, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
HLM is Newt?
Well, that explains a lot…
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you said business days..
this is 5.. very good guess
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
dude, you are 20.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 16, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
that 21 year old is a cradle robber!!
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was married?
I’m assuming not anymore, though. That’s a bummer. Or maybe it’s not?
Probably best that we don’t all share our entire personal lives on here.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
just because you're married
doesn’t mean you can’t have a girlfriend!
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"How YOU doing?"

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm so terrified they're going to ruin it.
The Lorax is one of my favorite books ever.
by the finest muffins on Feb 16, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Same
Hearing Danny DeVito as the voice totally ripped my guts out.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
They've ruined the rest of Dr. Seuss' bibliography
Why stop now?
The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 16, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hey.
There was nothing at all wrong with ‘Horton.’
And when I saw the preview for ‘The Lorax’ I was intrigued/excited. But I have three young kids so perhaps I’m seeing things from a different perspective than ya’ll.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Because I wasn't emotionally invested in the Cat in the Hat?
by the finest muffins on Feb 16, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW The educational PBS show with Martin Short is really good.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Agree. We're fans.
We even did a Cat in the Hat themed birthday party for our three-year old last fall.
They didn't ruin the Grinch.
Boris Karloff rocked.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
It's going to be aimed at making its audience feel good: Hence DeVito, Efron, Swift.
Unfortunately, there’s a lot to not feel good about when it comes to the book’s original premise.
Used to be..
Divorce is a Hell of a drug..
could very well be a blessing in disguise, but it’s definitely been the bestest most awesome time of my life over the last almost year..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
not about 20..
she IS 20, moddamnit..
and, there’s a very solid chance she’s joining me for the trip to Cincinnati first weekend in April for Game 2
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
well at least she's of age for child labor laws....
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 15, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Roy's gotta be feeling the pressure
It’s only a few days until pitchers and catchers report, and he’s having trouble finding a team.
Respect my authoritah!
I think the fact that he hasn't yet signed a contract..
is an indication that he’s not feeling any pressure.
My guess is that his agent has told him to sit back and wait for the right club to make the right offer. And I think his agent is probably right.
What is Roy Oswalt going to do in Spring Training that he couldn’t do by getting out of his LaZBoy and walking through his money-pile room to his own personal training facility?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
yep
Roy will find a place to play, he is just particular, and wants to be close to home.
Now a 29 year old journeyman with 15 MLB innings, who has yet to find a minor league deal, he is feeling the pressure.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
by Yossarian22 on Feb 15, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
not see his lovely farm in Mississippi, for one.
The latest talk is him on the Royals, which I am 110% for.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 15, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but don't you think as they get closer to the start of baseball season
that would knock his price down, wouldn’t it? I don’t really know if it would, I’m just asking your opinion
Respect my authoritah!
It might. But I don't think he cares much about whatever the difference is between $7M and $9M.
I think he wants to sign with a team that will play in October and he evidently wants to sign with a team that’s close to Graceland or some shit like that.
I also think at this point he’s getting excited about getting some team’s fans’ nipples hard when he signs DURING SPRING TRAINING!!!!????!!!!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'm no Elvis fan, but I guess I can thank that bloated greaser for inspiring
this piece of gold.
Speaking of which, I’ve known a “human trampoline” or two in my day. I miss those days a bit.
It's not how far you go, it's how go you far. - Dave Marshak
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 15, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I picked up that record when I was a freshman in college (shit, that was like 10 years ago)
I had a pretty nice speaker system, and I would blast that down the halls with the door and windows open. I wasn’t too popular on the floor that term, but those dicks could go climb a tree for all I cared.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Word.
It's not how far you go, it's how go you far. - Dave Marshak
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 15, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Sheldon claims that Leake is competing for the 5th spot
While he (rightly) feels Latos, Cueto, and Arroyo have locked down a spot, he is pretty sure Bailey is close to a sure bet for the 4th spot, while Leake will be competing with Chapman and Francis for the 5th spot.
It makes me wonder who the misguided one is, is it Sheldon, or have the Reds really made it apparent to those around them that Leake does not have an automatic spot. I don’t know what Mike Leake needs to proof in one month of exhibition baseball that he didn’t prove last season.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
by Yossarian22 on Feb 15, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
probably just a motivational tactic
To keep Leake’s mind on ball and not ganja/tshirts.
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by obc2 on Feb 15, 2012 11:05 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Leake > Bailey
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by jch24 on Feb 15, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Without that asshole Arroyo it's a non-issue.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 15, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Hopefully he’ll be on a short leash, since we’ve got viable options to replace him this year
The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer
I'll politely disagree
Both on Bronson being an asshole and him being a waste of a roster slot. Anyone can have one off year, but is he struggles his first 10 starts this year it will be no bueno.
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by obc2 on Feb 15, 2012 11:46 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
They've stuck with Bailey through a whole lot already.
And the guy is coming off the best season he’s had yet, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he gets a rotation spot despite a bad spring.
The fact that he’s out of options almost guarantees it.
Hello...BOOMSHAKALAKA!
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 15, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
his best year was still significantly worse than Leake's
Bailey has been mediocre over the last two years, Leake has been pretty decent.
Bailey has done nothing to earn a spot, no questions asked, in the rotation.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
by Yossarian22 on Feb 15, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Leake is our second best pitcher by performance last year.
That’s all there is to say.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 15, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's all about options
Weren’t you the one complaining that the Reds had no depth at starting pitching after all those trades?
Leake has options. Bailey doesn’t.
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exactly
I’ve been wondering for awhile now if Leake could get sent to AAA simply because he has options. This mostly depends on whether Chapman is let into the rotation, and if they are truly willing to stick to their word about keeping Chapman in the majors. That last part is the key though, and I could see them going back on that since it’s fairly clear that Leake is a better rotation choice right now (most likely, at least). Not sure how they’ll go about Francis, since its likely they will want to keep him if they can.
Stick to their word?
I thought Jocketty said recently that Chapman could start the year in AAA.
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I was referring to what they said at the beginning of the offseason
maybe “stick to their word” is the wrong way to say it, since it wasn’t necessarily a promise, nor is it one worth sticking to given the current situation. Hadn’t heard what he said recently, but it makes so much sense that it doesn’t surprise me.
Yeah, I think we've been making too big a deal of one, long-ago Jocketty comment.
Maybe pre-Latos, pre-Madson, pre-Marshall it made more sense that they’d want to keep Chapman on the major league roster, but with a shored up pitching staff, there’s flexibility to let him develop more.
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
it's more than one comment
Teh Fay talked to Jocketty again recently, and he again said Chapman’s going to start.
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that was the implication
Really, I don’t see any other reason they’d be talking about Leake being on the bubble.
Unless they’re secretly planning to get Oswalt.
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Or Francis could be a dark horse
he has the opt out date.
I wouldn’t object at all to a rotation of Latos, Cueto, Leake, Arroyo, and Francis.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Francis isn't a dark horse
He’s a mule.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
now i want Francis on the team, so we can have that as a meme.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Iiinteresting.
You may be right. It may yet sort out that way, with Chapman in the rotation and Leake in AAA.
Personally, I believe it’s a little bit of posturing. A certain segment of fans will have a hard time seeing Chapman go back to AAA, and I think at least paying lip service to “competing for a rotation spot” will help ease them in a bit. For there to be competition, he has to be competing with someone, and Leake’s the only sensible one to mention for that, for all the reasons already pointed out.
I still think it shakes down that Chapman goes to AAA and Leake stays in Cincinnati. This is a hunch, of course, only a hunch.
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
What about him?
I think he’ll be in the rotation, too.
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Why is his spot guaranteed, but Leake's isn't?
Leake was actually a good and healthy pitcher last year.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
His spot is guaranteed because he has no options
I feel like I read this debate every day.
Leake / Chapman is for the 5th spot in the roatation because of options, not because of performance.
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
Isn't there some place out in centerfield at GABP for the pitchers who aren't good enough to start?
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Sure and that is where badarroyo should be
But that isn’t going to happen. As last year proved there isn’t too much starting pitching.
Chapman or Leake(it really should be Chapman) needs to be starting in AAA.
If Cueto, Latos, Bailey, or Chapman get hurt in SP or early in the season or Arroyo continues his poor showing from last season then this really isn’t much of a debate.
Just like the Renteria vs. Janish arguement last year it turned out to be a stupid debate since the real answer was neither. This year with starting pitchers, since the Reds have options, it will end up being all of the above.
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
It is a stupid debete
because anyone with 3/4 of a brain would put Bailey in the bullpen over sending Leake to AAA!
Attack the poster not the idea!
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
there's no room in the pen
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LeCure and Ondrusek have options.
I’d much rather have the best rotation I can, and send one of those two to AAA, than take innings away from Leake.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
but then you just made the bullpen weaker
by Eastwindquinn on Feb 15, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
Those two were great last year. Replacing one of them with a guy who will be just learning how to pitch out of the bullpen isn’t going to improve the team.
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200 innings v 70.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
by Yossarian22 on Feb 16, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, just because Bailey can bunt and Stubbs can't means Bailey should be leading off and playing CF?
Idiot!
by crolfer on Feb 15, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think Leake's spot is all but guaranteed, too.
I think I already said that. The only reason I believe Leake is being listed in the “competing” group is because he has options and they have to say someone’s spot isn’t guaranteed if they want to set it up to look like Chapman’s competing.
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
you and brownb have it exactly right, and Yossi is worried about nothing. Bailey to the pen is a dumb idea at this point though, Yossi.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Of course it is (unless you think Francis should be the 5th starter)
but it is even fucking dumber to put Leake in AAA, should the Reds decide that Chapman should open the season in Cincinnati.
It is more I keep reading that Leake is in a competition, and I don’t understand how anyone can think Leake’s spot is up in the air while Bailey’s is iron clad.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
by Yossarian22 on Feb 16, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yossi, please
please – Bailey has no options so he is in the rotation. His spot is ironclad barring injury. Leake’s is virtually ironclad as well (IMO at least). They are just saying Leake is in a competition.
On the 2% chance that Leake really is in a competition, then yes, his spot is more in the air than Bailey’s simply because of the options.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
the Reds have the option to relegate Bailey to the bullpen.
I would consider that if Francis makes a half way decent spring training showing.
Who knows, Bailey could catch fire in the bullpen.
Or somebody could suck or get hurt and boom, Bailey’s back in the rotaiton.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
For a few reasons
Bailey in the ’pen is actually a viable option the Reds would consider, Arroyo is not, at least now.
Also I think to a certain extent Arroyo has earned the benefit of the doubt, the guy was a 200 innings of league average baseball machine from 2004-2010. Other guys his age have bounced back after bad seasons (Jack Morris and Jamie Moyer), so given his accomplishments, and his contract I want to give him really the first 6 weeks of the season to prove himself, and if he is really awful in the middle of May, when he should have 8-10 starts under his belt, Zito him.
Also if anyone is going to bounce back, it is Arroyo. The reason he has been a healthy league average innings eater, with below average stuff, is hard work. From everything I read he works hard physically and mentally in the off season and between starts. I am guessing he is running himself through the wringer this off season to try and get back to where he was in 2010. Also as far as prepping a game plan, he spends a lot of time with his catcher maliciously crafting a game plan for every hitter, in multiple situations, and especially for guys in the division, his game plan isn’t just about how to get them out the first, second, and third time through the order, but how to pitch them so he can get them out the 7th, 8th, and 9th, 13th time he sees them in the same season.
I never got the Arroyo is an asshole comments, and really if he is an asshole I don’t care, I would like every player to work as hard as Arroyo does, which is why he has done more with less over his career.
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by Yossarian22 on Feb 15, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm feeling froggy today.
Who wants to avatar bet me that Homer ends up with better 2012 numbers than RoyO?
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If you remove the "Oswalt retires" scenario?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Sure. No trickery.
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 15, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'll still pass.
But really, just because I love my avatar. I’ll let you be someone else’s huckleberry.
Hey, did you post a pic of a Herbie Mann album cover sometime recently?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I did indeed. "Push Push." Gloriously gross.

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by Pops Daniels on Feb 15, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I heard a track of his this morning on Sirius.
‘Come home, baby’ or something like that?
Fine stuff.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Define "numbers"
Rate stats or counting? Lots of scenarios with only about 20 starts each.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 15, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Rate. Counting stats are too subjective.
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 15, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Oswalt could completely fuck up his back before June, and miss most the season
Bailey could be a late bloomer.
Who knows?
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by Yossarian22 on Feb 15, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
seriously, though
What are they going to do with Bailey if they don’t send Leake down?
Putting him the pen isn’t the answer. The pen’s full, too. Either the Reds trade Homer, or Leake starts the year in Louisville.
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Or they both start in Cincinnati, alongside Cueto, Latos, and Arroyo,
and Chapman starts in Louisville. Which is what I think will happen.
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Unless Chapman really amazes in ST and proves that he can consistently go 6 innings, I don’t see him starting in Cincy. I also really hope that both Bray and Marshall stay healthy so that Walt’s not tempted to shift Chapman back into the pen.
Chapman can't proove that in spring training
Send Chapman to AAA regardless and let him marinate a bit.
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mmmm ropa vieja
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by UncleWeez on Feb 15, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Only other thing I could see
is making Chapman the long man and sending LeCure or Ondrusek to AAA. Still the best option is sending Chapman to AAA, which is also what I think ends up happening.
I'm hungover.
I made chili yesterday, and anytime a recipe involves cooking with beer it also inevitably involves me drinking the rest. Great Tuesday = awful Wednesday.
And it has beans in it and is fucking fantastic.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 15, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions
I'm hungover too
but I didn’t make chili, I just drank a lot.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I too was hungover today.
Celebrated Valentines Day at the Brass Ass last night. I was still drunk when I woke up to go to work. It was ruff.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I should have hung out with you instead of BK, damn
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There are bad things afoot for me, he was being a good friend
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oh, sorry to hear that pal.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Feb 15, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Good news everyone
Jack In The Box is coming to Cincinnati!
Seriously, I would rather have that than Johnny Rocket’s at The Banks.
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Anyone here have any Jack in the Box experience
I have only heard of them due to watching west coast baseball games on ExtraInnings, and their commercials stand out.
Any good?
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by Yossarian22 on Feb 15, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
all i know about jack in the box
is i remember they poisoned a bunch of customers when i was in 5th grade
Oh god yes. Just remember this for when you place your first order...
Ultimate Cheeseburger, on sourdough
Throw in some homestyle fries and a taco (yes, taco) and you have yourself a good late night intoxication buster (well, technically it won’t sober you up, but that’s not the point)
They also have Bacon Milkshakes
Don’t know how long that will last.
Tasty New Bacon Milkshake: 1080 Calories!

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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 15, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
1080? That's it?
Jack in the Box could have done much better than that.
Due to MLB Wanna Play, NFL Play 60 & NBA Fit...
Jack-in-the-box thought it was wise to tone the shake down a little!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
is Jack in the Box the same as Hardees and Carl Jr?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 15, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
The sourdough Jack is the way to go
The food is tasty for a fast-food place, and I guess they do well as one from my experiences. I haven’t eaten there in a lon while though, since I stay away from fast-food for the most part now.
Eh, it's fine.
Had some in Vegas. I was pretty hammered, so, it might’ve been shit, I dunno.
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 15, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Hey what happens in Vegas stays in ......
your jack-in-the box episode, sounds oddly familiar like mine!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 15, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
It's drunk food
We ate it all the time when I was in HI. I’m a big fan of the bacon cheddar potato wedges.
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ive only been to jitb in wahiwa
but goodness did i go there a lot. i hadnt previously heard of it before i got to the island.
He called me a baboon, he thinks I'm his wife.
by ThreeofSpades on Feb 15, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
There was one on campus in Nashville that was open 24/7.
And they serve breakfast all day, you you can either get your BEC before bed at 3AM or when you wake up hungover at noon the next day. A number 22, I believe.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 15, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
My roommate at Vandy
got food poisoning from that jack in a box.
That was ’05, but my memories are not pleasant.
by johnnywaffles on Feb 15, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
The first time I ever ate there was about 255 in the morning.
I was trying to hit the Taco Bell before it closed at 3, but the line there was so damn long I knew there was no chance. Conversely, next door there was this cut little Jack in the Box open all night with no line. It was never that good, but it was always that greasy. Much better than the Krystal I lived across from senior year out 21st…I still have nightmares about those burps.
Oh, and go Dores!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I've had it
They’re not your usual fast food place. They often incorporate local specialties (more than usual). They have a lot of ethnic items, like egg rolls, teriyaki, burritos, etc.
I used to like their onion rings. Haven’t been there in awhile, though.
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if they go to columbus
They should offer a chickpea, lentil and tofu sammich!
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by obc2 on Feb 15, 2012 12:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't know if I would say that
Columbus is pretty well known as a GLBT-friendly town. It’s not San Francisco, but I’d wager it’s the most gay-friendly city in the Midwest.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
never been to Minneapolis, I presume
Surprisingly a quick google search showed Iowa City as 3rd gay friendliest city in the USA.
No mention of Cbus
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by obc2 on Feb 15, 2012 2:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
We're so gay we're on the DL.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Anonymous even.

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by Pops Daniels on Feb 15, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
at one point, it was in the Top 5 of gayest cities in the US
San Fran
NYC
Austin
Columbus
Don’t remember #5
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
They're like an upscale Burger King with the whimsical California hipster vibe of a nicer taco truck.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
The food is shit and...
they pay minimum wage.
by Eastwindquinn on Feb 15, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Al Yellon is the Family Circus of SBNation
I know it’s going to suck, but for some perverse reason I cannot help myself from reading it.
I’m not going to link it because I don’t want you to read it. But his latest sucks. It always sucks.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Yeah, a curse on whichever one of you pointed him out to me.
I can’t not check him out now. He’s like an episode of ‘Springer’ I can’t turn away from. But he’s also somehow as benign as a soft-serve vanilla ice cream.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don't read much Yellon non BCB work
Is it Arcade Fire level bad?
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by obc2 on Feb 15, 2012 12:35 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Or the Marlins
The dude can’t get off the Marlins. It’s really unsettling.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think part of it is just the fact that Baseball Nation has some really good writers
Yellon isn’t bad by any means, but when you read Neyer and Brisbee, it just makes his stuff look weak. And he always has opinionated items. Always.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Holy gosh.
http://theotherfamily.com/view.php?g=1
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I did not.
The one I was trying to link to featured Dolly telling Billy that Daddy promised to stop the cigarette burns if she improved her…
Well, I’ll just leave it at that.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, he's objectively and objectionably weak
He’s not a good writer. But he is prolific and hard-working, I’ll give him that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
fun story:
BN is actually a different entity than SBN. They use the same infrastructure but there’s apparently an entirely different editorial management.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
That is interesting
So many of the BN writers (Brisbee, Sullivan, Yellon) came from the SBN team blogs. Plus you have the same format and mingfling of content – I just assumed we were all on the same mothership.
I think, since baseball started it, they wanted to keep some editorial control.
When the other sports came on they became much more of a business, but the Sullivans and Brisbees of the world didn’t want to get kicked off of their own baby.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I just added a rec
but only could see 1 bozo
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Afterreading this, I looked over at the sidebar, and was able to guess the Yellon article without even clicking on it
And yes, it is fairly stupid, particularly his excoriation of Omar Vizquel.
The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 15, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's like, what does he want?
Morrison is by all accounts a pretty big asshole, but he wants to wear the jersey to honor his dad, which seems like a pretty good reason to wear a jersey. Also, the Marlins didn’t even retire the number because of any former Marlin, they retired it because the owner was a fan of DiMaggio.
The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer
And the Vizquel stuff is just weird, and seems to be there for no other reason than to throw bombs at the White Sox
I guess Yellon gets really angry every year when everyone wears Jackie Robinson’s number 42 on Jackie Robinson day.
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 15, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
It really isn't valid
because Riveria had that number before it was retired. I think there are some Yankee numbers which are retired twice for the same reason.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Also
Let’s not forget that this is a retired jersey number. it is a meaningless gesture with no real world significance whatsoever. If all parties involved are okay with it, why the hell not?
This is like getting upset when your neighbor buys a Ford because you hate Fords. I mean, like, fer seriously, dude, who gives a fuck?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think retiring a number is entirely meaningless
It was a stupid decision to do so for a non-player, especially because the guy died when the team was really young. But once you’ve retired the number, it’s tricky to undo. I can see why the family of the late exec is upset.Everyone’s coming off bad here. Even Yellon.
by ken on Feb 16, 2012 8:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shamelss self-promotion
What could it mean if Drew Stubbs bunted more?
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It would mean puppies and rainbows and free ice cream
Everyone knows that. Why do we need to read an article?
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 15, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
How many times does Stubbs have to bunt this season for me to get free Ice Cream?
I don’t need another puppy and unless it is a double rainbow I don’t want more of those either
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Bow down, suckas!
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
It was a good attempt Slyde,
but one of the commenters blew your argument out of the water:
Nothing quite like a well executed bunt to upset the equilibrium of a ballgame.
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there are comments?
I can’t actually see any comments
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ah, looks like it's something with my Chrome setup
I can see them in Firefox.
I should’ve factored in the shaking up of things.
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I like the "keep the defense off balance"
This isn’t football or basketball.
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Drew Stubbs should putt more to take advantage of his speed
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does chrome block comments to newspaper articles?
I may have to go chrome
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Whatever they use
for comments over there is buggy as a picnic in July.
I can only see the comments in Firefox, but I can only log in in IE. So if I want to comment, I have to use IE. If I want to see any replies to my comment, I have to switch back to Firefox.
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Which is funny because your link actually jumps to the comments
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I figured y'all could just skip it
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by Slyde on Feb 15, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reading is hard
Faulty assumption makes the conclusions of the whole piece suspect. Why would you assume strikeouts would remain at the same rate? One of the reasons for him to attempt more bunts is to reduce the number of strikeouts!!
In every more bunting example listed, Stubbs would have fewer strikeouts.
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The majority of the comments are a laugh riot
My favorite:
Kyle Hines, no gap power if he doesn’t hit the ball, Kyle. Stubbs just need to worry about contacting the ball. Then, we can worry about aiming it.
Even Janish at least hit popups.
"this is ball. You have contacted me"

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by UncleWeez on Feb 15, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Hey, if we're shamelessly self promoting
Donate to my St. Baldrick’s campaign and see me with no hair!
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I'm assuming they rejected
your speedo pic for your profile?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it didn't make sense to post a bald pic as the "before"
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I can change the goal, I wanted to start off small
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OK, I just donated and you are now just $20 from your goal
One of you cheap bastards needs to put him over the top.
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 15, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I am not like Marty or Hal and demand that Stubbs bunt once a game, or even once a week.
But I would thing some positive value would come from the threat of him being able to bunt for a hit, because it would pull the third baseman in, which could make it easier for him to pull extra base hits.
I don’t know how you measure that, or even if it is measurable, or what it would do to his overall line.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Teams already pull the 3B in a lot when Stubbs comes up
especially with the bases empty.
I imagine you’d see a bump in BABIP in that scenario, but Stubbs’ BABIP was already 12th best in the NL. I’m not sure that would change in a significant enough manner to really see much difference.
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Reminder
Today is the last day to register for the opportunity to buy Opening Day tickets. I registered twice. I wish I had multiple personality disorder…I’d have to win once right?
I've registered twice, my Mom's registered twice, my Dad's registered three times.
I always register to give my local family members another chance to buy tickets, but I’ve never yet been selected. I’m crossing my fingers for this year, though, because I’m going home for Opening Day!!!!
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Pirates fans are putting an awful lot of stock in this potential AJ Burnett deal
Some are saying it’ll put them over the top in their quest to break .500. That can’t possibly be true, can it?
I'm not sure why anyone would want him
He has been awful for 2 years and is 35. He has been worth 0.6 total WAR (BBref) over the past 2 years and makes $16.5 million. In order to be worthwhile, the Yanks would have to pick up at least 80% of his salary and accept basically nothing in return, and even then it could easily be a bad deal.
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Padres should take a look at him
He’s the perfect pitcher for PETCO.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Let's say you pay 20% of his salary, plus give up a somewhat useful player
That’s $3.3 million in salary, which is what, 1.5 WAR? Throw in 1 WAR for the guy you trade away, and Burnett needs to be worth 2.5 WAR to be worthwhile.
His high WAR over the past 9 seasons was 2.9, and he has totaled just 15.8 WAR over those 9 seasons (at a salary cost of about $86 million, or around $5.5 milion per win).
Dude has been a bad deal for a while now, and he is old and injury prone.
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 15, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
But I'm sure he's always wanted to help push the Pittsburgh Pirates toward respectability.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
I think from 02-09 he was pretty good and some years quite good. He still has serious swing-and-miss stuff, but last year was bitten by the HR bug like Arroyo was. Anyone who thinks Arroyo will bounce back should be majorly betting on Burnett.
The last two years have been below average, but getting out of the tiny park in NY, and especially away from the AL could give him a nice boost. So if the Yankees paid most of his salary, I’d be totally fine with picking him up.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I don't think many of us are betting on Arroyo bouncing back, rather than thinking it is a possibility
And Arroyo isn’t a guy I would want to bring in from outside the organization at a high cost. It is more he is here, the Reds owe him $25M regardless of who he pitches for, so make sure he isn’t complete garbage before throwing him away.
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Nobody is going to bring in Burnett at high cost either
like $4 million per year or so?
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Plus whatever you give up in trade
That’s a big part of this. If the Yankees are willing to trade Burnett for a Carlos Fisher type and eat $12-13 million of his salary, he is a decent risk. But why do that? Do the Yankees really need to save $3-4 million that badly? My guess is the receiving team is going to have to give up a useful player, which increases the cost of Burnett considerably.
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 16, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yankees are trying to get a useful player of course
but they aren’t going to get one. The Pirates have little reason to give up a useful future piece for their non-contending team now. And the rumors I hear are that yes, the Yankees are concerned about clearing some payroll room.
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They are trying to get under the luxury tax, right?
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 16, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
that's the theory
Not this year, but by 2014 (I think), when the penalties become onerous. Ditto the Red Sox.
We’ll see if they actually do it.
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I'd like to read some analysis of these supposed moves (from either or both NY and BOS) to get under the new luxury tax.
Seen anything other than blogger conjecture?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
well
There’s Joel Sherman.
You may prefer blogger conjecture. ;-) But he does claim to be getting this from people in the Yankees organization.
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Daaaaaaaag.
Keep in mind that since the luxury tax went to 40 percent for them in 2005, the Yankees have averaged paying $25.75 million in tax annually.
It’s like looking at an Ugg Boots catalog or something. I can’t even get it at first.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
But Matt Morris was so awesome for them!
Think they would be okay with an Arroyo homecoming, and then we could sign Oswalt!
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Pirates have him? I thought he was going to Japan.
It won’t hurt to have another live arm but boy, I wouldn’t get too excited.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
You are thinking of Brad Penny
The other big ugly dude who pitched for the Marlins in the mid-aughts.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
The late 90s, early aughts Marlins were a pitching prospect factory
so many bright pitchers came through that system. I liked their profile for drafting pitching talent.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
The Pirates have been super close to a trade with the Yankees for a few days now
Not a done deal yet, but supposedly could be official any time
Fischer cleared waivers
Accourding to the Fay on twitter.
I would line the tweet, but can’t access twitter here at work.
Fisher cleared waivers and will be invited to Spring Training with the Reds.
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
This isn't the meme thread, pack.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 15, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Must have moved him down to clear a spot for D-Train.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
too bad for him
but there probably aren’t a whole lot of teams on the look out for a fringy pitcher who over the last 2 years has appeared to be just good (bad?) enough to be the team’s number 8 reliever, and has been dominated and promoted so many times he probably knows I-71 between Cincinnati and Louisville by heart.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
I for one am glad he is back.
I’m not hoping that he makes 60 appearences, but he has his use.
I am all for “depth.” He is great for a couple of days when the bullpen is spent.
I was pleased last year when he appeared in a couple of extra innings losses. I feel bad that he took a couple of losses after being thrown into the game as a sacrafice in multiple games in a row, but that is what a player like him is for.
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
he really can't be used like that now
he is off the 40 man roster, meaning in order to call him up the Reds will have to clear somebody else off the 40 man and unless they are put on the 60 day D.L., they will have to be exposed to waivers. Also I think a player can reject his second DFA, so if the Reds call him up for 3 days only to demote him, he may reject the demotion and become a free agent.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
Im willing to bet someone goes on the DL
Also if he gets called up for 3 days and then is DFA and refuses or someone else claims him then its not much of a loss to the Reds.
I don’t think many people in the Reds’ front office or many Reds’ fans would care that he was gone either.
What I was saying in the post above was that he the perfect type of player to keep around in case the Reds need a RP to be called up and abused for a couple of days because he is very much expendable.
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
That is true
But it would take several injuries, with Brackman, Judy, Villarreal, Smith, and even Chapman all on the 40 man.
Although it is interesting that Smith never returned to the majors last year.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
what's the deal with that commercial where the dog eats the cat?
it’s for food. is that supposed to be appetizing?
and that guy gets bought off with a bag of chips? he should either have better morals or hold out for more money!
I'd trade one Dorito for a cat.
Dorito’s are delicious and cats are stupid, dirty, soul sucking demons from hell.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Feb 16, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 16, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
damn! you beat me to it!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Feb 16, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
omg
It’s Victoria and the Millennium Cat.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I feel so bad for folks who have such contempt for cats
I sincerely wish that someday you will be able to meet The Real Charlie Scrabbles. He will destroy all of your preconceived notions.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 16, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I like cats
but pretty much everything they say is true.
My cat seems to view the people in the house as servants, and really only displays affection when she is let in or outside or is fed. I kinda get the feeling if she were to get a pet door and some sort of automated feeding device, she would be perfectly okay if she never saw us again.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo
by Yossarian22 on Feb 16, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
You forgot about the worst thing about cats.
When you fall asleep they sit on your chest, and they steal your soul.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Feb 16, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Charlie Scrabbles may be Larry reincarnated.
I had many confidently professed cat-haters tell me the same thing about that old fella.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions

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