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The Red Report: Ryan Madson

Yeah, that's Madson's "save" face.

Subtitle: "Ma-sty Boy the second - as ma-sty as he wants to be"

Ryan Madson

Relief Pitcher / Cincinnati Reds

6-6

200 (draft weight: 180)

feebly (L)

with strength and precision (R)

Age: 31 (b. Aug 28, 1980)

Born in: Long Beach, CA

Nicknames

Believe it or not, "Mad Dog" is his official bb-ref nickname. Other potentially creative nicknames include Ry-Dog, R-Mad, Ry-Ma, Mad Ryan, Mad Man, and Ryan California.

MLB Bio

  • Madson was drafted out of high school by the Phillies in the 9th round of the 1998 draft. Also drafted in that round were Jack Wilson and Morgan Ensberg. The Reds took "Henry" Dave Therneau, who never made it to the big leagues.
  • Madson almost exclusively started in the minors. By 2003, he was starting for the AAA Scranton team and looked ready to make the leap.
  • Madson became a big league mainstay in 2004, though as a reliever and not as a starter. The Phillies already featured Eric Milton, Brett Myers, Vicente Padilla, Randy Wolf, Cory Lidle, and Kevin Millwood in their rotation. Madson appeared in 52 games (77 IP), posting a 9-3 record with a nearly 3 to 1 K:BB ratio, and an ERA of 2.34 (193 ERA+). He threw 87 innings in the following year but saw jumps in his hit and HR rates, and his ERA regressed to about league average.
  • The Phillies gave The Mad Man a shot at the rotation in 2006, but it didn't stick. In 17 starts he posted an ERA above 6, less than 2 Ks per walk, and a scary HR ratio. "Mad Dog" lived up to his craaaa-zy nickname on July 25, 2006, when he threw four wild pitches in the third inning against the Diamondbacks. That tied the record for most wild pitches in an inning. The team moved him back to the 'pen for good in early August 2006 to make way for another young arm, Cole Hamels.
  • Madson missed the stretch run and playoffs in 2007 but enjoyed a healthy and dominant year in 2008. He increased his velocity thanks to borrowing Jamie Moyer's strength routine (I'm picturing a raw egg for breakfast followed by tossing medicine balls and putting in a full day at the steel foundry) and was now able to ratchet up the ol' number one to as high as 97 m.p.h. He was a force in the playoffs, striking out 12 against one walk and one HR in 12 2/3 innings, as the Phillies marched to the top of the heap.
  • With Brad Lidge ineffective and hurting for much of his post-championship Phillies career, the natural move was to anoint Madson as the team's new closer. But the team had reservations about Madson's closer mentality, and he didn't help matters with several blown saves in 2009 and 2010. Madson was a tepid 15 for 26 in save opportunities in those years despite excellent peripherals. He blew three saves in a five-day stretch in 2009, and he broke his toe while kicking a chair in frustration after a blown save in early 2010. Brad Lidge explains that Madson "was putting too much pressure on himself early in his career and when I was injured to be perfect out there. Now I think he realizes, 'Hey, I can trust myself.'"
  • 2011 was a completely different story, as Madson got off to a blazing start and saved 32 games in 34 opportunities, while continuing to strike out about 4 batters per walk allowed. He also cut his HR rate in about half to an awfully impressive 0.3/9 IP (though we're talking about two versus four homeruns, which can easily be written off due to better weather or any number of other factors).
  • Bottom line is that Madson has been a very good reliever during the past several years and a dominant one in the last two. According to ESPN, only eight relievers with at least 300 innings in the past five years have a lower ERA than Madson's 2.89 mark- and he's done that in a severe hitter's park. Over the past two seasons, Madson's posted a 2.45 ERA, a 126-15 strikeouts-unintentional walks ratio, and has allowed just 96 hits (and only 6 homeruns) in 113 2/3 innings.
  • Madson's surprise signing with Cincinnati followed an intriguing winter which saw the Phillies reportedly back out of a four-year, $44M deal with their former closer. Enter Walt Jocketty and a shrewd one-year offer. Madson and agent Scott Boras are sure to test the market again next year, but hopefully the chip on Ryan's shoulder from failing to obtain an eight-figure deal will propel him to even greater heights in 2012.

Star-divide

What He Means to the Reds:

Quantifying the effect of a reliever is tricky. They only pitch a fraction of the innings that a starter does, but they're highly-leveraged ones. There's also the trickle-down "chaining" effect in which Dusty Baker will be free to use his lesser relievers in less critical opportunities. Valuable, but hard to say how much.

Madson and an improved bullpen should also boost the starting pitching, which was undoubtedly the team's biggest weakness. But while the food was terrible, the portions weren't generous, either. The Reds were average or below-average in innings per start and average Game Score, and I suspect they'd be among the leaders if there was a stat like "disaster starts". The addition of Mat Latos surely aids the rotation. But an improved bullpen also takes some of the pressure off the starters and gives Dusty the freedom to go to his bullpen earlier in the game, if necessary.

Scouting: it's the changeup, stupid

  • Madson's famous changeup is one of the most devastating pitches in baseball, particularly against lefties. He hides it well, throws it 10 m.p.h. slower than his fastball, and cuts it away from lefties (10" of break, second most in the league), making it all but unhittable. You can see from the location map below that Madson puts his changeup (on the left) well outside to lefties compared to the average RHP changeup (on the right). Last year hitters whiffed on 33% of his changeups, nearly triple the league average. As Ms. 'Mache explains, he often sets up his change with a first-pitch fastball. If the hitter gets behind he has little choice other than to flail away at the changeup, which Madson often places out of the strike zone (his 43% swing rate on stuff out of the zone is exceptional). Madson threw his changeup 35% of the time last year, the most in his career. Hey, if it works ....
  • His fastball ain't too shabby, either. As mentioned above, improvement in his velocity during the 2008 season gave him an additional 2 m.p.h., putting his average fastball in the 94 range. It also moves well horizontally, though it's about average in terms of vertical drop. He seems to throw a four-seamer, though some Pitch F/X classifications have him throwing a two-seamer some of the time. Madson throws an occasional cutter against both lefties and righties which drops more than his fastball.
  • The change and fastball are pretty much all he throws. Madson came into professional baseball with a "show me" curve but all but abandoned it once he joined the bullpen permanently.
  • Madson generates a good amount of groundballs. About half of all batted balls against him in the past two seasons were on the ground. Unlike Sean Marshall, Madson has enjoyed a good infield defense behind him before this year, so we shouldn't see an appreciable jump in his ability to get groundball outs.

Miscellania:

  • Ryan California built a new house in the Philly suburbs last year, using "some green things, some energy-saving things, some responsible building and materials."
  • His middle name is Michael, so "Mr. Blonde" might also work as a nickname, even if Michael Madsen spells his last name a little differently.
  • I think Madson has a decent shot at the Reds' single-season save record of 44, set by The Cowboy in 1996. If Madson approaches the mark, how will Jeff Brantley handle the potential loss of his record during the broadcasts? It's just one of many completely meaningless scenarios that we can get worked up about this season.

Contract Status

Current deal: One year, $6M (with some deferred). There's also a $11M mutual option that Madson is unlikely exercise; the Reds are on the hook for $2.5M if they don't exercise their side of the option. At least, that's how I think this works out. Among other bonuses, there's $100K for being the World Series MVP.

MLB Service time: 8.027 (Can refuse optional assignment)

Career Stats

Year Age W L ERA G GS GF SV IP BB SO ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
2003 22 0 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 2.0 0 0 0.000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2004 23 9 3 2.34 52 1 14 1 77.0 19 55 193 1.130 7.9 0.7 2.2 6.4 2.89
2005 24 6 5 4.14 78 0 10 0 87.0 25 79 107 1.253 8.7 1.1 2.6 8.2 3.16
2006 25 11 9 5.69 50 17 8 2 134.1 50 99 82 1.682 11.8 1.3 3.3 6.6 1.98
2007 26 2 2 3.05 38 0 9 1 56.0 23 43 151 1.268 7.7 0.8 3.7 6.9 1.87
2008 27 4 2 3.05 76 0 14 1 82.2 23 67 144 1.234 8.6 0.7 2.5 7.3 2.91
2009 28 5 5 3.26 79 0 28 10 77.1 22 78 129 1.228 8.5 0.8 2.6 9.1 3.55
2010 29 6 2 2.55 55 0 21 5 53.0 13 64 161 1.038 7.1 0.7 2.2 10.9 4.92
2011 30 4 2 2.37 62 0 46 32 60.2 16 62 164 1.154 8.0 0.3 2.4 9.2 3.88
9 Seasons 47 30 3.59 491 18 150 52 630.0 191 547 123 1.294 8.9 0.9 2.7 7.8 2.86
162 Game Avg. 6 4 3.59 66 2 20 7 84 26 73 123 1.294 8.9 0.9 2.7 7.8 2.86
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/12/2012.

2012 Projections

Pitching

IP FIP HR/9 BB/9 K/9 ERA WHIP
ZiPS
60.0
-
0.75
2.4
9.4 3.00 1.15
Rotochamp
60.0 2.53 0.45 2.40 9.45 2.70 1.15
Bill James
65.0 3.19 0.69 2.35 8.17 3.32 1.22


Please participate in our crowd-sourcing regarding Madson's projected season:

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Madson's 2012 numbers
Breaks Reds' saves records, hearts
59 votes
65 IP, 2.50 ERA, 38 saves
73 votes
60 IP, 3.00 ERA, 32 saves
36 votes
Not as good as we hope
6 votes

174 votes | Poll has closed

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If Madson buys Brantley an ice cream cone I think he'll be ok.

No ice cream? COWBOY SMASH!!!

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Watch out, stay away from Maddog, he’ll bite your face off and shit down your throat.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

Many athletes smash their first and last names together for a nickname

Pretty unoriginal, but RyMa should be a RR fave.

Rhymes and puns for recs n effects.

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by obc2 on Feb 13, 2012 10:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ouch

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Feb 13, 2012 12:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Poll options are a bit wonky, because hey, closer.

I think it’ll be something like 75 innings, 40+ saves (I voted that he’ll break the record) but less-then-stellar peripherals. The Reds have a one-year rental, so they have no reason not to abuse him. Cordero had 72 innings in 2010, fwiw.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

I love how the old man in the back is struggling to see around Robinson

It would stink to get a seat behind a 7’-4" dude.

I can’t shake the feeling that the Reds have improved, just not by enough. The Brewers are really good, and the Cardinals pact with Satan is probably still valid for a couple of more seasons.

The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 13, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I have that same feeling

I worry that the Reds are relying on luck an awful lot (hoping two rookies in Coz and Meso work out; hoping Arroyo and Rolen return to something close to 2010 form; hoping Heisey, who’s never been an every day player, proves to be a successful every day player; hoping for no serious injuries; etc). But really, what team isn’t? Every team has holes, every team has rookies they hope work out or old guys they hope hang on one more year. The only teams that don’t have worries like that are teams like the Yankees and even they don’t win the series that often.

by ams78 on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yup

Even the Yankees have worries like that.

And luck plays a huge role, even if you do everything right.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The Reds aren't hoping for Heisey to be an everyday player, just sayin'

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

That's true, they did hedge their bets in that regard

I guess I am. Because if Ludwick is playing every day, that’s not good.

by ams78 on Feb 13, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

96 hits in 113 innings?

Is that too many for those who had to watch Coco?

by CommiePuddin on Feb 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

It's about the same as Cordero typically does

Since moving back to the bullpen, Madson has hovered around 8 hits per 9 innings, which is pretty much where Coco lands. Two big differences:

1. Madson’s control has generally been superior.

2. Coco’s K rates have been dropping, and they cratered last year. I think he was lucky in 2011, and is going to be bad in 2012.

The gross and net result of it is that people who spent most of their natural lives riding iron bicycles over the rocky roadsteads of this parish get their personalities mixed up with the personalities of their bicycle as a result of the interchanging of the atoms of each of them and you would be surprised at the number of people in these parts who are nearly half people and half bicycles…

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

especially in the AL East

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 13, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That sounds about right to me

He’s had 7 and 8 hits per 9 IP in the last two years, which is in line with most good closers. And like RBK says, Madson’s walk rate is excellent.

Also, number of XBH allowed by Madson last year: 8. Damn. Coco had a great year and still allowed 17.

by ken on Feb 13, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been saying this for a while (mostly in re: LeCure)

but with the volatility of relievers, I think low walk rates are the most important stat.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It's definitely good

but I’d say a high K-rate is the most important for a reliever. That’s how guys like Carlos Marmol, and hey! Aroldis Chapman can still manage to be good despite horrendous walk rates.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 13, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call Carlos Marmol all that good

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 13, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I would find a place for him in my bullpen.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet you would

nudge nudge

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 13, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

He's best in the back end.

He doesn’t do as well in a mop-up role.

/Santorum’d

"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, last year wasn't so hot

but from 07-10 he was one of the best relievers in the game.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 13, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If I were a manager

I would order my players to not swing against Marmol, unless he hangs a slider or really mislocates a fastball. He is far more likely to walk 4 straight batters than to give up a couple of hits.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just not sure how that would go over

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 13, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

probably why i am not a manager.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Respect.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 13, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course, Therneau was niether.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

True

Honestly though, you’re a scouting director, how do you pass on that name? (note: this is why I’ll never be a scouting director).

Respect my authoritah!

by BigBadBruce on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I the only one who briefly saw this post live yesterday?

I read the front page part, but it was already gone when I clicked to read the “after the jump” bit.

by the finest muffins on Feb 13, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

In particular,

it helps to think of Marge Schott.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

But not that trophy she brought to Cincinnati.

That gets me all excited.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Focus on the muffin top,

mustache and cigarette; you’ll go all night. It really won’t be much fun though.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 13, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

ewwRec'd... I guess?

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey man, at last call....

sure, why not? The uglies need lovin’ too.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

lets get this on record

Pops would nail Marge Schott. So it is written.

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 13, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You ungrateful bastards.

She brought us the World Series championship!

We owe her at least Pops. At least Pops.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

She died a virgin, you know.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me..

Didn’t her husband supposedly die in bed with a mistress?

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

And Marge was very (old school) Catholic, and had no kids, so unless she had health issues, my statement may not be terribly far from the truth.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

correction

He died in his mistress’s bathtub.

But all in all it was an FDR situation.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait. Frank and Ellie had a whole crapload of kids.

Or are you just talking how the gentlemen died?

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

their death rattle.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

They quit doing the dirty after they had kids.

Once FDR cheated on Elanor, and she found out, she ended the sexual relationship. Then from most accounts she went bisexual.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 13, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

They were the Clinton’s before the Clinton’s. They knew a divorce would ruin his chances of being President. Apparently Elanor was also a bit of a kill-joy, one of her (their?) female family members basically said they weren’t surprised he had mistresses, and who can blame him being married to Elanor.

They apparently reached a point where FDR had a live in mistress that he did not even hide from his wife.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

How French.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Call me crazy.

But I think Bill is banging Barry’s Secretary of State two and three times a week. Like maybe even right now.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I have some decently reliable sources that say she fucks around as much as he did.

She is just smarter about, and has better taste in men than he does in women.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Look, just because Bubba chose poorly doesn't mean he doesn't also choose wisely.

Dude is the Sex President of the United States.

Any. Woman. He. Wants.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

not just appearance

she does a better job with choosing discreet men, than bill does with women.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I got it.

That’s what I assumed you meant.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Red Reporter: Sex Reporter

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

men?

You mean those “News of the World” articles about her being a lesbian aren’t true?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

FDR and Elanor didn't even live with each other.

They resided together sometimes in the White House, but she had a separate residence. He actually tried to get her back, but she wanted nothing to do with him.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

what happened

to her share of the Reds when she died? If she didn’t have any kids, who inherited her estate?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

it sounds like she did have health issues

Or maybe he did.

Schott is tighter than shrink-wrap, but whatever price she has to pay to protect the Great American Family, she will pay it. This is because she never had children herself. It is her single greatest sorrow. “I just don’t think I did my job,” she lamented recently in her Riverfront office. “In my day girls were raised to raise kids, and I didn’t do it. My life would’ve been completely different with kids. I wouldn’t be here, honey, I can tell you that.”

It did not help that her sister Lottie had 10 kids, the way Marge thinks good Catholic-girls should. And it was not because Marge didn’t try. She hired the best doctors, up to and including one who she says had treated the shah of Iran. “And he about killed me, honey, giving me all these drugs,” she says. “About killed me.” She says she tried to adopt twins once, “but the nuns wouldn’t let us, honey. Wouldn’t let us.” She whispers: " ’They’re interbreds,’ they told us. They’d only be a frustration to you.’ I told ‘em, ’No, we’ll educate ‘em,’ but they wouldn’t let us have ‘em." In Unleashed, Bass reported that Charlie’s mother attempted to arrange adoptions, but Marge and Charlie refused to follow through because they didn’t know the children’s backgrounds.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That was rolling around the back of my head somewhere

which forced me to qualify my statement.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for finding that in the aritcle i posted....

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Just sitting here wondering how in God's name we got on the subject of Marge Schott's sex life

And then I realized it goes back to a comment I made. You’re welcome, everyone!

by ams78 on Feb 13, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I had no idea she was that bad

I knew she was eccentric, but jeez. I had no idea she was so mean. And so hated.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

she refused to pay for Eric Davis's plane ticket when he bruised his Kidney's making a diving catch in the 1990 World Series.

From what I understand, the reason Jim Bowden lasted as a G.M. under her was he was every bit as much of a sonuvabitch as she was.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

She openly referred to black players (or generally people)

as that word we’re not allowed to say on RR, or am I mistaken? Racial slurs all around with her.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 13, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Dave Paker was her million dollar (Gray will delete this post).

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

she reminds me of a former boss of mine

Who, coincidentally or not, was also German and thought that Nazis unfairly got a bad rap. He also didn’t like women in the workplace, and accepted it only because he realized it would be bad for his career to resist it.

He finally retired when his main rival (who was Jewish) was promoted over him to the top position. He was so hated that many people refused to attend his retirement party, and instead set up a rival party celebrating his departure.

He may be worse than Marge. I saw him once when I passed his mansion. He came out to talk to me, with his new puppy. It’s a major highway there, and when he went back into the house, he left the dog there. It was in danger of being run over by a truck. He didn’t care. He figured he’d just get a new puppy if that happened. At least Marge likes animals.

He had a wife and two sons, but was so disliked, even by his own family, that he had to put an ad in the classified when he went on vacation, asking for someone to go with him. He was willing to pay all costs, but no one he knew wanted to vacation with him.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This sounds like a character outline that Madville could do something with.

(Or forgive me.. perhaps I was never supposed to mention ‘Stories by Madville’ ever again?)

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Some folks in Cincinnati liked/loved her.

She was a celebrity and some celebrities are always gonna get a certain amount of inexplicable love. Also, she was perceived to have been successful while also being conservative and her thinking was almost intentionally behind the times. That shit plays well at times in a conservative city like Cincinnati.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

She had a few good traits

she loved children, she gave large sums of money to the Cincinnati Children’s Hospital.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, nobody is *universally* hated

but I couldn’t really phrase it properly without being offensive.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 14, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

/Chris Brown

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 14, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't remember anyone hating her

until that sports illustrated article came out.

no doubt she was a racist and a miserly woman, but she didn’t hate people. she may have thrown around the N word, but she wasn’t calling for lynchings or separate water fountains. she was the product of some other time when that was just the normal thing to do.

as far as the swastika armband, my understanding is that it was a souvenir from the war that was stuffed in a drawer – soldiers brought that stuff back all the time.

not excusing her racism at all, or even saying she was a good person, just pointing out that she wasn’t the evil witch some people think she was.

by Daedalus on Feb 14, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

refusing to pay for Eric Davis’s plane ticket when he bruised his kidney’s is pretty shitty.

Forcing a fringey Reds player to ride and elephant in a suit with the threat of demoting him to AAA, is really shitty and maniacal.

And yes there is the “she came form a different era” argument, but many people adjusted, she did not. If nothing else employing a man as classy as Barry Larkin should have taught her that people’s ethnicity and skin color do not dictate what kind of person they are.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 14, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It is funny to read this part of the article 15 years later.
Even though Cincinnati won the 1990 World Series and was the NL Central champion last year, anybody in baseball will tell you privately that the Reds are leaking oil three lanes wide. They routinely lose their best scouts to better-paying clubs. Attendance is down for the second straight year. In the playoffs last year there were more than 12,000 unsold seats for one game at Riverfront and more than 8,000 for another. For some reason, aside from Bowden, who is considered one of the best young executives in the game, top-notch baseball minds aren’t inclined to come to work in an office chilled to 55° for substantially less than what other teams are paying, bringing their own tissues to the office and wondering who else is listening to their phone messages.

The Reds don’t often bid for high-priced free agents, which is fine with Schott, who prefers to bring in players from her farm teams. But Cincinnati’s minor league system is unraveling. Baseball America recently listed the top 100 teenage prospects, and no one in the Reds’ organization was listed in the top 50.

All of that, other than Bowden being a bright executive, is what caused the Reds to have a lost decade.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure how treating the Shah (who died) would help childbirth, but hey.

Man, that’s a weird world Maggs lived in.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

kind of sad

Doesn’t seem like she was very happy, though most of us would love to be filthy rich, own a baseball team, and see that team win the WS.

All she really wanted to was to have kids.

But I can’t help thinking those nuns were probably right not to let her adopt.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

not to start a conversation on adoption

but even really wealthy with a crazy mom > alternatives, I would imagine. You can bet they’d be going to the best schools. Even if they are “interbreds.”

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 14, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

not sure I agree

I’d say “the best schools” is somewhat down on the list of what a child really needs from his or her parents.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 14, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A theme from this week's Downton Abbey!

Next up: death by Spanish flu and death by broken heart look an awful lot alike.

by the finest muffins on Feb 14, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Listen man,

the short answer is……maybe. Look, I’m not an ugly dude and learned through valuable experience that sex with pretty girls aint always what it’s cracked up to be. All’s I’m sayin’ is (not to get all Blake on you) but once the doors of perception are at last call, well…..

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Not only am I handsome, but quite bright.

My memory is not poor. I’m telling you, we’d pound vodka, smoke like Jack Kerouac and she’d figure out a way to make it rise. Back when I was single, of course.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm glad you are part of the RR community, Yossi

I just got so much enjoyment out of this comment.

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by kcgard2 on Feb 13, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Pork Sword!

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 13, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Idiot.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I mean it.

Fucking idiot.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

you set it up yourself
My memory is not poor. I’m telling you, we’d pound vodka, smoke like Jack Kerouac and she’d figure out a way to make it rise. Back when I was single, of course.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 14, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

How does that refute my argument

that you are a fucking idiot?

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 14, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

idgi

Why are you so pissed?

by angeeh on Feb 14, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

He's not pissed

That’s just how Pops talks.

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by Slyde on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed sir.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 14, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Happy Valentines Day, Pops! Mmmmwah!

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 14, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Right back

atcha.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 14, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess that wasn't a problem last year

The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer

by DerekH91 on Feb 13, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Cespedes to the A's

Gomes can show him the ropes, I guess.

by ams78 on Feb 13, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Obligatory

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

the picture you meant was:

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang.

I ran into Collin Cowgill over the weekend and he was pretty pumped at his chances of making the A’s out of ST. I guess that’s a lot less likely now. Dang!

/coolstorybro’d

Hello...BOOMSHAKALAKA!

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 13, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm considering buying the mlb.tv package this year

for $115 or so, is it really worth it? i switched to the dish last summer, and no longer get FSohio. i was able to supplement this void with the MLB At Bat 11 app through my phone last year for $10 for the second half of last season. it was adequate enough for $10, but i really missed being able to watch the games. thoughts? comments?

Brevity is the soul of wit.

by Heeringa on Feb 13, 2012 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Where do you live?

Because you may be in the blackout area for MLB.tv.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yep, I made that mistake my freshman year in College.

College cable sucked and there was no FSN, but I was blacked out.

At the bottom of the page in the grey fine print area, there is a little white box where you can enter your zip code, and it will tell you what teams are blacked out.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, if you are good with technology you can get around the blackout with a proxy I.P. address

but you need a fast internet connection for that to work, I tried that in 2010, and my internet was too slow to stream live video through a proxy I.P.

Our good friends at VEB wrote an article about how to use a proxy I.P.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

now that i've thought about it,

i checked nearby zip codes, and all of them are blacked out for chicago and the Reds. i’ll have to have it run the check using my IP address when i get home. lame.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

by Heeringa on Feb 13, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i checked that out already

even though i live in indy and figured i might be blacked out, it said i was in the clear.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

by Heeringa on Feb 13, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If you do live outside the blackout area, it's totally worth it

If you can swing it, it’s worth the extra for the premium package. You can pick either team’s feed, which means when (not if) you get sick of tHom, you can check out the other team’s annoucers. Plus you can watch up to four games at once, which is awesome, even if my wife makes fun of me when I do it.

by ams78 on Feb 13, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

apparenlty this year they now allow you to overlay the radio feed over the video.

So if you want to listen to Marty but see a moving picture, you can!

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That's awesome

Also, I just looked it up and found out that new this year, it comes with MLB at bat, so you don’t have to pay the extra $15 to watch on your iPhone. So more good news.

by ams78 on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

f'reel? Sweeeeeet

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a fan (blackout aside)

I’ll probably do both the tv and the app this year.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnny Smith is back

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Feb 13, 2012 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Is he one of the prospects?

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool

Miguel Cairo would be our full time backup 3Bmen in that case. I can’t find a single thing that could go wrong with that

The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer

by DerekH91 on Feb 13, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm afraid Dusty might've

Semi-side note, but who will play first when Joey takes a day off? Now that Ramon is gone, I guess it’ll be Cairo.

The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer

by DerekH91 on Feb 13, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that's what happened last year.

I don’t think Ramon didn’t play first in 2011 at all.

by the finest muffins on Feb 13, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoops, I double negative'd there.

Take away one contraction in that second sentence, your choice.

by the finest muffins on Feb 13, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

Ramon wasn’t the regular backup first baseman. Miggy was.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Hello, Juan Francisco at 1B!

"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Tawdfawdda

did ya fawgeddabatim?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

If Oswalt takes Bailey's place

And Thames takes Francisco’s, still no room on the 25 man. And I can’t believe I’m wasting energy contemplating this made up trade.

by ams78 on Feb 13, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

research shows he is Eric Thames, not Marcus Thames.

I don’t know the difference besides 10 years, but Marcus’ full name is Marcus Markley Thames.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Marcus "Biz Markley" Thames

He once got busy in a Tim Horton’s bathroom.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 13, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris "Please, Just Stop it. Seriously. Just Stop It" Berman

(No disrespect to ’Nukkah. This is just my nickname for the guy.)

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Thames was a steal in the seventh

round of the 2008 draft. A hip injury caused him to fall, but he hit very well at Pepperdine. Because of the injury, Thames didn’t play at all in 2008 after Toronto drafted him, so he’s made a quick rise to the big leagues. He has power and is capable of a decent average with defense that won’t hurt.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Feb 13, 2012 5:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think he was right about Cozart

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He was right about something else, too, but I can't recall what.

Plenty of useless twit fluff besides that though.

Hello...BOOMSHAKALAKA!

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That's right

And didn’t he have us getting Gio Gonzalez earlier this winter?

by ams78 on Feb 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

He’s right just enough to keep people reading.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

OOOOOHHHHHHH SHIT!!

You just slammed the hell out of that smart bastard!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

red reporter'd

Brevity is the soul of wit.

by Heeringa on Feb 13, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Could the Jays really take END and E5?

They with them and us with Jo-eh…hats some weird parallel universe shit.

Hello...BOOMSHAKALAKA!

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

But, that would be fine, really.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Notgraphs. Like Red Reporter, only cleverer.

I wish I was the one to think of this meme.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

El Sueño de la Razón produce monstruos

like the Mets roster and team outlook

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 14, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

jesus h tap-dancing christ, Walt has seen the light!

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 13, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Paul Janish is giving up on being a position player, and will be making a Jerry Gil like conversion to pitching.

He is going to go back to A ball.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing too interesting

Except…when asked how the Madson deal happened, he said they were talking to Boras about another player, and Boras mentioned Madson, and the next thing they knew, they had a deal. Which made me wonder, who was he talking to Boras about?
Also he said the moves they’ve made have nothing to do with the Votto Window (clearly bs) and they expect to sign Votto long term (clearly hopeful thinking).

by ams78 on Feb 13, 2012 6:23 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Edwin Jackson is a Boras client.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahahaha

"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting

Bet it was Rick Ankiel.

Or maybe Brackman?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Had to be Ankiel

fits the Jocketty MO like a tailored suit.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 13, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

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