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Meet the New Red! - Willie Harris

Born: 6/22/1978

College: Kennesaw State, GA

Debut: 9/2/2001

HT/WT: 5'9"/195

Bats/Throws: L/R

At a Glance:

Drafted in the 24th round of the amateur draft in 1999, it seems the Orioles finally decided it was late enough to draft a guy who had too many coincidental ties to baseball not to end up with a decent career. Born in Cairo, GA, he also played at Cairo HS and lives there in the offseason, none of which has anything to do with his new organizational teammate, but is coincidence number one. He played college ball at Kennesaw State, and what with Kenesaw Mountain Landis being MLB's first ever commissioner is coincidence number two. And with a listed height and weight of 5'9", 195, he is an exact 1-to-1 physical replacement of the outfielder the Reds traded away this offseason in Dave Sappelt. Tell me that's just a coincidence...

Star-divide

Debuting in 2001 with the Orioles, Harris didn't manage to get semi-regular playing time until 2004 with the White Sox. He demonstrated a useful ability to get on base and play multiple positions adequately. After two forgettable years as a spare part, he hit his prime in the 2007-2009 seasons. He was a league average hitter those years who showed he could play 2B, 3B, all three OF positions, and even a little SS.

Despite a woeful lack of power, Harris manages to make the most of the skills he does have by getting on base at a decent rate. With an OBP often 70-100+ points better than his AVG, he knows how to take a walk, and with some BABIP luck can turn that skill into league average-ish offensive performance. Once on base, he has historically been a good baserunner if not a great base stealer. He has 106 career stolen bases - not bad for a part-time guy.

What He Means to the Reds:

He's a good target for a team that wants to use him as a utility player, pinch hitter/runner, and injury depth. He's a veteran who has spent the majority of his career in a backup/utility role so he knows how to prepare for that. The Reds signed him on a minor-league deal, so he doesn't block anyone and doesn't cost a lot, and only takes a roster spot in case of injury or unexpected ineffectiveness.

If he makes the big club, he will earn the pro-rated portion of $800,000, with $50,000 incentives for 200, 300, and 350 plate appearances, so his max cost is under $1 million even if he makes the club out of Spring Training. He's on the downside of his career now at age 34, so league average in part-time play is the ceiling of his performance. Then again, no one saw Miguel Cairo coming at ages 36-37 and playing far better than ever, so...

What do the Stats Say?

Year Age Tm G PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS+
2001 23 BAL 9 25 3 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 .125 .125 .167 -22
2002 24 CHW 49 177 14 38 4 0 2 12 8 0 9 21 .233 .270 .294 50
2003 25 CHW 79 150 19 28 3 1 0 5 12 2 10 28 .204 .259 .241 33
2004 26 CHW 129 471 68 107 15 2 2 27 19 7 51 79 .262 .343 .323 74
2005 27 CHW 56 139 17 31 2 1 1 8 10 3 13 25 .256 .333 .314 72
2006 28 BOS 47 52 17 7 2 0 0 1 6 3 4 11 .156 .250 .200 17
2007 29 ATL 117 391 56 93 20 8 2 32 17 11 40 71 .270 .349 .392 94
2008 30 WSN 140 424 58 92 14 4 13 43 13 3 50 66 .251 .344 .417 100
2009 31 WSN 137 393 47 76 18 6 7 27 11 4 57 62 .235 .364 .393 101
2010 32 WSN 132 262 25 41 6 2 10 32 5 2 33 60 .183 .291 .362 76
2011 33 NYM 126 283 36 59 11 0 2 23 5 4 36 62 .246 .351 .317 88
11 Seasons 1021 2767 360 575 96 24 39 210 106 39 303 492 .240 .330 .349 80

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/10/2012.

Projections:

Projection Games PA H 1B 2B 3B
HR R RBI SB AVG
Bill James 88 157 31 21 6 1 3 20 12 3 .226
Rotochamp
292 58 42 10 1 5 32 26 6 .232
Fans 60 225 47 38 5 1 3 25 23 4 .240
Marcel
315



7 40 33 7 .229
Poll
What do you think Willie Harris will provide the Reds in 2012? (Moderate time >300 PA, Little time >100 PA, Minimal time <100 PA)
He'll get moderate time and play well (enough)
13 votes
He'll get little time and play well (enough)
68 votes
He'll get moderate time and stink
17 votes
He'll get little time and stink
24 votes
He'll get more time than anyone expects
19 votes
He'll get minimal or no time at all
39 votes

180 votes | Poll has closed

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I think he'll play a little time and play well for a backup.

I look at his numbers, and I see a skillset that Dusty tends to overlook. That might not bode so well.

"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto

by Grahamophone on Feb 11, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Since Dusty likes veterans...

…this is an interesting move. He’s good at getting on base, which Dusty undervalues. Meanwhile his aged veteranocity is a negative, but that’s a positive to Dusty. What’s more, since Dusty thinks of him as a second baseman, that will force Dusty to bat him 2nd or 8th (per Rule 78.4 of Dusty’s Bible of Cliches). This move sort of forces Dusty to Dusty-proof himself.

"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

mind blown

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 13, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

What you did there

I see it

The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer

by DerekH91 on Feb 11, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's behind Frazier, Phipps and Janish

If only because he’s out of options.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

I dunno if he's behind Phipps

but the other two I’d probably agree with

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 11, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's behind Phipps

if we lose a CFer.

Phipps has options, and can be shuttled up and down without exposing him to waivers. And he’s not an elite prospect, so they won’t worry too much about disrupting his development.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

that's a good point

add that to the fact that he’s 26 and plays CF, you may well be right. I think it all depends on who he would be replacing. If an infielder goes down, and Frazier is already on the roster, it’s WH, outfielder, it’s Phipps.

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Feb 11, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy cow

Whitney Houston died. She was only 48.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2012 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

Oh godda

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 11, 2012 10:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh goddam

You haven’t lost your fastball, you were just experimenting with the offspeed stuff for a while.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 11, 2012 10:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAIAIAIAIAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAIAIAIAIAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAIAIAIAIAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII will always love Hou'

Someone had to get that one outta the way

"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto

by Grahamophone on Feb 11, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Then you need to hone up on your music knowledge

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

There’s no reason on earth for a 14-year-old to know who Whitney Houston is.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Neither has AC/DC but I bet he knows who they are

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

True

but I would bet that AC/DC gets 100 times the radio play that Whitney does. Classic rock stations are ubiquitous, but early 90s R&B is not.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh, I'm not so sure about that

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

THIS IS TRUE OF YOU LISTEN EXCLUSIVELY TO WHITE STATIONS.

sorry caps

"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't

But that’s what Petey implied, so that was my counter.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is

If you’ve never heard of someone who has sold over 170 million albums and been nominated for 26 Grammy awards over the last 27 years, you need to hone up on your music knowledge.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

but my point was that Whitney hasn’t exactly been on the radio much the last 15 years. Or at least, not as much as a classic rock staple like AC/DC.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You do disagree, that's why you replied to my comment justifying his ignorance

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Guys... I work in a music store...

Most of the guys aged 14 – 17 wouldn’t know Whitney Houston from Celine Dion.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Feb 13, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I say good for those guys 14-17

there’s no reason for them to know either one of those two.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 14, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

there's a fine line between schlock and crap

I think that line goes somewhere between the pyramid hotel and New York New York.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Feb 18, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

AC/DC is black music!

Back in Black, amirite?

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Feb 18, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Warm 98 on line 1

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Feb 14, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

She weren't no saint,

but she sure had a purty voice.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 11, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You getting the league set-up?

Yahoo! is open for business

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Feb 12, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, set it up, MBP!

The Houston Crackpipes need a league!

by FordhamRam on Feb 12, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Jesus

That’s some fucked up repugnant misanthropy.

I laughed, but I’m not happy about it.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It's cool.

Their AAA affiliate is the Piscataway Too Soons

by FordhamRam on Feb 12, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Eventually humans will realize that everything kills us.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46334675/ns/local_news-cleveland_oh/t/warm-shower-causing-health-issues/#.Tzcn6RyOT8E

"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto

by Grahamophone on Feb 11, 2012 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

Life is the #1 cause of death among humans, with a 100% mortality rate

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

gets them to heaven quicker.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Feb 18, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

before they have a chance to sin!

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by BubbaFan on Feb 18, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Originalsin'd

bummer

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 18, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

baptize 'em in utero?

“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone…”

THWACK!

“Mom!”

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by BubbaFan on Feb 18, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's a pretty hilarious imaginary scenario

a parent having their unborn child baptized in utero because they’re going to abort it. I can barely wrap my head around the implicit contradiction.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 18, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I read a science fiction story once

Where this Catholic priest goes crazy. They are in space, shipping frozen embryos to a new planet to colonize it, and he baptizes the trays of frozen embryos, then dumps them in acid. To save them before they can sin.

I don’t find the idea of baptizing a fetus you intend to abort all that weird, though. In Japan, they have a traditional way of mourning “water children” – fetuses that are stillborn, miscarried or aborted. There are special shrines just for this.

It kind of makes sense to me. Even a woman who chooses to abort might want a way to acknowledge what happened.

And I once read a study from an area in South America. The subjects were very poor, but also very Catholic. Because they were poor, they could not afford to care for every child. So if a child seemed listless or unhealthy, they would quietly let it die. They would take it to the priest first, and ask him to bless the baby. The priests knew darn well what that meant, but they went along with it. (This was many decades ago.)

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by BubbaFan on Feb 18, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Mormon'd

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 18, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

as lost as the O and N in her name.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 11, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

teh Fay's a downer today

More scary news on TV front for Reds

Fay also thinks the roster is set – as set a roster as he’s seen in a decade.

(FWIW, he seems to think the Reds will send Chapman to Louisville and keep both LeCure and Ondrusek in the pen.)

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2012 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

Does Latos have options?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 11, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If this true about the TV deal,

who the hell signed it, Dick Wagner?

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 11, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how difficult it would be to break the deal

and force a new one. It might even be worth it, if they can get a $50-75 mil per year deal.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

the problem i see with the tv contract is that i don't see another bidder

if they had another channel interested in broadcasting the games, that would drive the value up, right?

by 'tHan on Feb 12, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

I don’t seen another interested channel either, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one out there.

Also, a new contract could be mutually beneficial for both the Reds and FSO. Kinda like when a team and player work out a pre-arb extension.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I blame Slyde

If they didn’t have to pay regular people like him so much money, they could give more money to the Reds, and make Joey Votto an even bigger millionaire!

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely Yossie

Damn Slyde gots to be part of the 1% by now!!!

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Feb 12, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

That's more of an issue with the market though, right?

There isn’t a locally based sports network based here that isn’t affiliated with Fox Sports, which is what those in larger markets get to exploit. We don’t have a Comcast Sports, or YES, or NESN, or WGN, or anything like that. I think we’re stuck with FSO, and they have the Reds by the balls on how much money they spend on a deal since they’re the only one that would be remotely willing.

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Feb 12, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The Indians created their own network and left FSN a few years ago

I feel like I heard a long time ago that Marge Schott had the chance to by WSTR years ago, but didn’t want to spend the money, and if she would have bought WSTR the Reds would have made a ton of money from broadcasting revenue.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

you'd think if Cleveland could do it

The Reds could, too.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is the key

If FSO knows the Reds have no interest in creating their own Regional Sports Network, then the Reds are at their mercy for the next four years. If the Reds can credibly threaten to leave FSO in 2016 to start their own RSN, then maybe FSO goes along with an adjustment to the current deal. It’d be nice if the deal was up in two rather than four years so that prolonging the Votto window was at least an option.

I mentioned the cable stuff in a Reposter earlier this winter. From what I cobbled together then and now, the Reds’ cable revenues are about 1/4 of Houston’s, 1/8 of San Diego’s, 1/8 of the Rangers’, something around 1/9 of Washington’s, and 1/15 of LAA’s. The deficit is big and getting bigger all the time.

by ken on Feb 12, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hence Willie Harris !

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Feb 12, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone know anything about Bob's ownership partners?

Is it possible that one of the folks who owns less of the team than Bob might just happen to have many more millions/billions in assets?

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think some local companies own part of the Reds, Frishes use to own shares

I don’t think the issue is how much money the owners have, I think the issue is not wanting to take a lose on the Reds. It just isn’t in most rich business people’s DNA to lose money if they can avoid it.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Right.

But a regional television network is at least something cool that an aging m/billionaire might think about passing on as part of his legacy.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, i should have hit up

i did not realize this was in conjunction with the Reds TV network comment.

A Cincinnati sports Network could be interesting, shows Reds games, Bearcat/X/Miami games Bengals coverage, maybe Minor League Hockey, and local high school sports.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

MAC Sports

A few afternoon hunting shows, simulcast a radio show…

by poojols on Feb 13, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe also try to make it available to people in the Cincinnati area not only on traditional cable

but also as an online subscription service, which I think may be the future. I really wouldn’t be shocked if cable companies, as we know them today, are all but extinct in 10-15 years, and pretty much everything is online.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight...Schottzie."-Chris Sabo

by Yossarian22 on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Short answer - I would guess a huge no

It’s REALLY expensive to get a TV/Radio station off the ground, much less a network.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Whatever, I've seen UHF.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Also the Reds are not that popular in the area.

A fair amount of Cubs and White Sox games are broadcasted on local over the air stations, not only on WGN, but WCIU, because people in Chicago really really really want to watch every Cubs game, bars, not just in Wrigglyville, fill up with people just to watch the game.

Some Braves games are broadcasted on a local over the air network as well.

Outside of opening day I don’t think a game has been shown on a local network (other than national games) in 15 years.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

damn, no wonder mlb.tv considers me in market

I just assumed the Reds were still shown on channel 12 (or whatever the channel). I didn’t realize they forced the locals to do the same as I do here.

by Howie Feltersnatch on Feb 12, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

No local sports are shown on local channels.

The networks pressure local stations to show network programing when they are scheduled to air, rather than on a tape delay due to sports.

There was an article in the Enquirer that said the reason Fox19 stopped broadcasting U.C. Basketball, was not because of poor ratings, but because Fox really put the screws on WXIX to show American Idol on time instead.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

no shit?! no Bearcats games either?

that stinks. I remember watching them on 19 every chance I got. the network(s) still show the Bengals through right? ya know, as long as it is a sell out at home? upn30 at least shows all of the Vanderbilt games. they even pick up some sec college baseball.

FSOhio and Peachtree tv get picked up here during the ball season by FSTn and/or FSSouth.

by Howie Feltersnatch on Feb 12, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

See 'tHan on the Bengals

All the U.C. games are broadcast by various national networks, such as ESPNU, the Big East network, and I think Fox Sports, and are shown on cable channels, often requiring the digital cable package. If you have Time Warner’s cheapest cable package you won’t get to watch many U.C. games anymore.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, all this time I thought the Bengals were on local TV.

That particular jealousy is one of my more irrational reasons for hating football.

by the finest muffins on Feb 12, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Channel 5 should start showing the games again!

#old

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

At that dollar figure...

…I’d bet the team controls a vast majority of the advertising time versus a lot of other team contracts.

Put simply, FSO may only pay the Red $10m for the TV rights, but I doubt the Reds are only making $10m in revenue off the TV broadcasts.

by CommiePuddin on Feb 12, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a possibility

Philly’s TV deal doesn’t pay them as much as the new market rate, but they collect the revenues from advertising. We don’t really know one way or the other with the Reds. Info about cable deals is generally hard to come by, and the Reds seem more tight-lipped than most.

by ken on Feb 12, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like I remember it came out that the Reds reworked their deal with WLW so they would get the advertising revenue.

My question is, if a station pays a team to broadcast them, and the team collects the advertising revenue, how does the station make money?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Additional subscribers is one.

Also, WLW likely shared ad revenues to some degree. And WLW can run their station IDs, promos, weather and traffic updates during the breaks. The big thing there is the promos. WLW can – in just one Reds game – familiarize you with their entire lineup, as well as who is going to be on the next show.

Even if one were to assume that WLW lost money on its Reds contract, it could be referred to as a productive “Loss Leader” in that if they lost $200k a year on the deal, it might be worth that cost to reach other listeners and to keep them tuned in before/after the game. Additional ratings during Reds game “spillover” can be monetized with higher rates on ads during the spillover-induced ratings boost. If they are able to sell an additional $600k in radio ads during the spillover, then doing the broadcasts earned them a net $400k.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

They did, I want to say sometime around '07

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The answer is simple.

Volume.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Feb 18, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with Fay about the roster

thanks for the links

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Feb 12, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I mostly agree with him

I don’t think even two roster spots for position players are up for grabs, though. I think they’re all locked down (barring injury, of course). Though maybe he was just being polite, not wanting to crush the hopes of the Janishes and Fraziers on the team.

And I’m not sure the Reds will option Chapman to Louisville. That’s what they should do, IMO, but they sure seemed determined to keep him on the big league roster.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

With all the transactions in the bullpen

I could see them sending him to AAA. It was the beginning of the offseason they said all that. I wouldn’t have been opposed to him beginning as a starter in the bigs this year, I think he’s capable of learning to be a starter while in the bigs, but with the way the rotation is shaking out now with Latos in the mix and Bailey out of options I could see them sending Chapman to Louisville.

by pack_fan on Feb 13, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I agree

Things may have changed with all that went down during the off-season.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2012 7:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Slugfest in the early goings in Australia!

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by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Helluva game in Aulstralia

going into the bottom of the 13th. The Melbourne pitcher is from Tennessee and has thrown over 160 pitches in relief over the last two days, and hasn’t given up a run.

If you have MLBNetwork, turn it on!

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

it's weird

to hear Aussie accents with baseball. I keep thinking it must be a soccer or tennis game.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

but "everybody clap your hands"

is the same American guy as we hear in the US.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And Perth wins on a wild pitch.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

back to watching "Finding Bigfoot"

“Canadian Bigfoot, Eh?” is up next.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

ended on a wild pitch

That kinda sucked.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is it so warm in Australia?

It’s February for Christ’s sake.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 12, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

fucking backwards country

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

isn't it always warm there?

Steve Irwin never wore anything but shorts!

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

and he is dead

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

and look how that ended.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 12, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It's in the southern hemisphere

So it’s actually summer for them right now. June-August are their winter months

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by DerekH91 on Feb 12, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If you are so smart, explain why the tide comes in and goes out.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Magnets

The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer

by DerekH91 on Feb 12, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Bullshit!

The earth is flat.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 12, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Sun moves around the Earth!

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Feb 12, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

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