Scott Land PAs: What to expect from Scott Rolen
Scott Rolen might someday trace an unjust Hall of Fame snub to his 2005 collision with Dodgers' 1B Hee Sop-Choi - an incident that resulted in a labrum tear and ultimately required surgery. The following season, without the help of even one stem cell, he played 147 games and slashed .296/.369/.518. Rolen's shoulder began nagging him toward the end of 2007, requiring surgery for scar tissue removal. The next season, he injured his finger at the beginning of the season and experienced more shoulder troubles toward the end, but pieced together 108 OPS+ season as a Blue Jay.
He increased his production at the plate and attendance record in each of the next two seasons, appearing in 133 games with the 2010 Reds and helping lead the team to a division championship. Then Rolen went under the knife for his shoulder again late last July, after wearing down late in 2010 and seeming lost at the plate throughout 2011.
Depending on how you count them, Rolen will be mounting his third comeback from a major injury this season. This time he'll be doing it as a 37-year old. Anecdotally and statistically, Rolen is still a very good defender at third. His left shoulder injury doesn't affect his throwing arm and doesn't seem to significantly limit his ability to put his glove in the right place.
Slate called the labrum tear "baseball's most fearsome injury." While it's painful, nagging and career-threatening, most of the sensationalism is about pitchers and their throwing arms. Where I see Rolen's injury mattering most is in his swing and, consequently, his plate approach. He's already altered his batting stance at least once to accommodate his shoulder issue, likely sacrificing some power (though it's hard both to explain 2010 and to figure out how much to chalk up to normal aging). Last season, Rolen didn't have trouble making contact, but he did walk at a lower rate than he ever has while swinging at more balls out of the strike zone.
He only appeared in 65 games in 2011, so I don't know how much to read into his performance. Rolen's plate vision, an attribute that actually improves in many veterans, is likely still there. His walk rate dipped permanently below 10% after 2005, but he's been good for around 9% since then and was at 9.3% in 2010 (after altering his batting stance).
The body just might not be willing. If his bat speed and torque remain diminished, he may compensate by reaching for pitches he ordinarily would have taken for a ball. The extent to which his strength and confidence returns will determine his success this year and ability to avoid a bizarre, Star Wars surgery.
Though he's had a very distinctive career arc, I wondered if there were any comparable players for Rolen: third basemen with long, productive careers who battled through injury and played into their late 30s. Rolen is a very unique player and there aren't very many good comps for third basemen with a long injury history who have also stayed at the position for their entire careers and produced at his level.
Chipper Jones, who had knee surgery in 2010 and has struggled to play in more than 130 games since 2005, springs to mind. His ability to play at an elite level at age 37 (in 2009) is encouraging, but he's a much different player from Rolen, hitting for higher average (and reaching base more as a result), more power and getting much less value out of his glove. Jones maintained his high walk rate through the end of his thirties, where Rolen has stayed below 10% in 2006.
Wade Boggs, 1995
Boggs was a legendary "pure hitter," (whatever that means), with prodigious on-base skills, but his overall offensive output was similar to Rolen's over his career (ignoring era slightly). His age 37 season, marked by injury, was his last stand before his decline. Boggs suffered a hamstring injury late into his third season with the Yankees in 1995. That year was arguably his last All-Star caliber season. His bat lost a little pop, his defense likely suffered and he declined to merely average for the next three seasons. Boggs remained valuable at that level, until his final season in Tampa Bay (and baseball).
Rolen isn't going to reach base at an over .400 rate, but setting the floor at league average would be perfectly acceptable.There's reason to believe his defense could float him more than it did Boggs. Defensive metrics still like Scott and helped to lift him above replacement level last season, despite his worst season ever at the plate (269 PAs). Just as Boggs' on-base skills were pretty durable (he reached base at a .377 clip at age 41), Rolen wouldn't have to hit for the power he did in 2010 to have a Late Boggs-ian season at age 37. One last flash of former greatness would be all the Reds require.
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Can't be optimistic
…when it comes to Rolen. Expecting anything over 90 games from him would be foolish in my estimation. But who knows… If he can give the Reds 400 AB with an OPS above league average it would be a huge boost to an already potent offense.
Barry Larkin > Ozzie Smith
by AC Slider on Feb 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I'm not ready to commit to him playing any more than 100 games.
With END, Cairo, and Frazier in the fold, I’m not really even sure I’d want a healthy Rolen playing more than that.
I’d love to see a .275/.340/.450 type line from him in about 400 ABs. That’s the top end of my expectations, though.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 5:51 PM EST reply actions
even if he ends up .020 lower on all 3 slashes
he’ll still be above average because of his glove
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by JJ on Feb 1, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
While practically useless defensive metrics still like him
Have you seen him move laterally lately? He can’t. I know range isn’t the most important attribute at 3rd, but I think everyone is overrating his age 37 defense.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 2, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know
Despite his light bat last year he still put up 1.3 war in 65 games, with the help of his defense, that makes him a 3 WAR player in a full season.
WAR and defensive metrics aren’t everything, but stats still like his defense, a lot.
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he was also hobbling last year
Scott Rolen was 1/3 of himself even when he was playing in 1/3 of the games. so, he’s like 1/9 of himself
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You don't get un-hobbled at 37
Not with all the testing, anyway.
The worst and most likely case is Rolen repeats 2011. Which means being in the lineup and on the field when he should not be.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 2, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno if that's the most likely case
but repeating 2010 is also not the most likely case, and I think 2011 is more likely than 2010
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yes
I would be thrilled with an OPS approaching 800. I’d take .260/.330/.410 to be honest. As mentioned already, his glove will make him valuable as long as he can hit a little
Barry Larkin > Ozzie Smith
by AC Slider on Feb 1, 2012 6:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think that's the floor of what would/should make him a "full-time" player.
If after 2 months he’s not doing better than that, I think it’d be time for a full-on platoon with him and END.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
END will hit better than him, and their defense is not as far apart as everyone thinks.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 2, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I think I am setting myself up for disapointment
I was looking at END’s stats and noticed he got better at getting on base at every level in the minors except rookie ball to low A ball.
As a Low A ball hitter his OBP was .301.
A+ .303
AA .317
AAA .337
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Did you look at his batting average each of those levels?
Because it sure ain’t a steadily improving walk rate that’s driving up his OBP:
A – 3.0%
A+ – 2.6%
AA – 3.4%
AAA – 3.8%
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I wasn’t sure what to make of that.
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.250/.300/.500
This is what END will do. Everything he has done so far points to him putting up this line.
Does anyone think Rolen will even come close to this?
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 2, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
if Rolen is healthy he will probably get on base more.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I don't think END will come particularly close to that
band no to Rolen also, but I give him just as good a shot as END.
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You seem very confident in those numbers
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Is your picture caption a Zevon reference?
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It's gotta be.
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Yeah
I like Zevon a lot and that might be my favorite by him.
There’s probably a better way to make that pun relevant to the Reds/Rolen. I hope Rolen has a public feud with Arroyo while on the DL so I can use: “Rolen, the Med-List Bronson Shunner.”
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 2, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Has anyone watched Clubhouse Confidential
on MLB Network? The show is pretty good, but the camera is constantly moving around while the host is talking. I always think they are going to commercial when they zoom out, then they zoom back in and the show continues. It’s blowing my fucking mind!
Rolen is Dunn.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Feb 1, 2012 7:55 PM EST reply actions
I haven't a clue
On the one hand, I’m hopeful that he’ll be the Rolen of 2009 again, now that his shoulder’s been roto-rootered.
On the other hand, the odds aren’t good, even for position players.
Maybe it’s reasonable to expect a 37-year-old to decline anyway, healthy or not.
But…there’s the example of Jorge Posada. He had a repeat shoulder surgery his age 36 year (which was injury-shortened, as Rolen’s was last year). And he came back the next season to have one of his best years ever.
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It's easy to dismiss out of hand the 'heart' and 'pride' of a great lion-in winter veteran like Rolen.
But that’s what I’m going with in this case.
He’s a pro.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
He's a pro who is unwilling to admit when he cannot help the team
Heart + Pride = Selfish delusion
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 2, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I would say that is Brandon Phillips and Bronson Arroyo
Rolen hasn’t played when he is hurt. Both Phillips and Arroyo have stayed on the roster even through injuries/illnesses that should have put them on the DL. They played even though their performances were hurting the team.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
You can certainly make cases for both of them, especially Arroyo.
Phillips didn’t need to go on the DL, but he should have been moved down in the order. That’s Dusty’s fault. So’s Arroyo. So will be Rolen.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 2, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
When Phillps had that broken finger, or maybe it was a hurt elbow, he should have been put on the DL.
He spent en entire month hitting like .150. There is no spot in the order that should have protected him. He should have been put on the DL.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 3, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
but how many games did Posada catch that year compared to DHing?
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100 games catching
9 games DHing
2 games 1B
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Jorgie only DH'd his last year
2011.
But notice he only played 100 games at catcher in 2009, the WS year. For most of his career, he played about 140 games a year at catcher.
I think that’s key for an older player. They need more rest. The 130 games Rolen played in 2010 was too much. He was dragging the second half. Dusty should aim for about 100 games for Rolen this year.
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Agree, and I think the Posada comp is interesting
Players generally decline in their late 30s but it’s not as if regression is geometric. It’s not unreasonable to think that a guy coming off of corrective surgery can improve upon an unfortunate half-season.
by ken on Feb 3, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
I share your Rolen optimism
but it’s not just his ‘11 season that bothers me, it’s also the 2nd half of ‘10. In August and September, the stretch run to the pennant, he only hit .251/.325/.374. I can get behind the idea that he was wearing down, and I think it’s a reasonable assumption to make, but still…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 3, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
A fair point
His late ‘10 power slump was even more pronounced than last year’s. But unlike last year he still got on base at an acceptable rate (he slashed .251/.325/.374 in August/September) because he drew some walks and had a normal BABIP (.299 during the same period). A regression to his BABIP mean, more rest, and a small power boost from the surgery should give him a decent slash line this year, imo.
I think so, too
I reeeeeeaaaaaaally hope so.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 3, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I think END gets more time at 3B than anyone else this year
We’re 2 1/2 weeks from pitchers and catchers reporting! I’m really excited about this right now.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 2, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've always loved this gif
work it, lil monster
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This is the third time in three days that I've got sucked into watching this
over and over and over and over and over again.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
The best thing would be for Rolen to retire as no one will take him in a trade.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Sorry, Mads
Even if he does retire, it’s END. Not Todd.
by poojols on Feb 1, 2012 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
at Least Fiasco will be able to play
more than 3 games in a row. and he has way more power
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Feb 1, 2012 10:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
at Least Fiasco will be able to play
more than 3 games in a row. and he has way more power
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Feb 1, 2012 10:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
than we could sign Jackson!
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spring training
has already begun in Japan.
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The eyeball test says that Rolen is a shell
of his old 3rd base capabilities. His range is creaky. But, I’d still take him over most (END…etc). OTOH, he cannot hit for power anymore, but his plate approach is still outstanding. Overall, I think I have no idea what to expect aside from injury.
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I just wish Dusty would treat him as what he is.
Meaning bat him 2nd or 6/7th about 3-4 times a week, generally against LHP or “veteran” pitchers he’s had success against, and let END play the rest.
I’m finally willing to bet Dusty plays him less than he has in the past, but I still bet he bats him cleanup.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Someone at Fangraphs said that Hanigan would be a good #2 hitter and I think it's true.
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by Grahamophone on Feb 1, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Dusty
thinks he only has a good OBP because he hits in front of the pitcher.
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And Dusty is like that Aunt we all love.
Sweet and great with a joke and makes good dressing at Thanksgiving, but sends money to Benny Hinn.
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that Dusty even looks at OBP amazes me.
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by Grahamophone on Feb 1, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
interesting,
I bet him and Hanigan are going to ahve about the same games played and about the same OPS at the end of the year. I could see them both in the 350-400 PAs and with a 780-810 OPS, just Ryan with more OBP and Rolen with more SLG
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
It's February, and damnit, that means it's close enough to Spring Training for me to do this with sincerity!
“Everyday” Lineup:
BP 2B
Rolen 3B
Votto 1B
Bruce RF
Mesoraco C
Heisey LF
Stubbs CF
Cozart SS
P
Wow, that felt good.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
and close enough for me to argue with it!
If Ludwick is in left, its:
BP
Ludwick
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
Stubbs
Meso
Cozart
P
With Heisey/Frazier in left, I think either of them or Cozart (or even Stubbs) will be #2 until some pecking order gets settled down. And Bruce will be batting ahead of Rolen by July.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
yikes, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Rolen 2 and Ludwick cleanup.
I trust Rolen’s 2011 OBP as more of an anomaly than Ludwick’s.
And let the record state that this is not an endorsement of Ludwick at 4, since I’d rather have Bruce, Mesoraco, BP, or Heisey there than him.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Ludwick's always had decent OBP
I’d rather have Rolen at 4 and use the #2 as a rotating place for whoever is sucking least, I think.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
career .332 and not above .330 in 3 years is decent?
I just think Rolen’s much more likely to get back to a .350 OBP (just with a lot less SLG), and I’d rather have that on base in front of Votto.
I think Ludwick will see a GASP induced SLG increase, and I could deal with that at cleanup (though I still think Heisey will be better), but I’m not sold on him getting on base more than Scotty Baseball.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
compared to Heisey and Frazier? Yes.
I can see where you’re coming from. I just disagree. Anyway, it’ll be either LF or 3b unless Cozart can hit consistently, because you’re not going to sit Mesonigan’s bricks or waste Stubbs’ speed there.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Yeah, I hear ya.
Time for the “I know I don’t like it, but this is what Dusty’s gonna do” lineup:
BP 2B
Cozart SS
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Bruce RF
Ludwick LF
Stubbs CF
Mesoranigans C
P
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
that looks
pretty accurate.
At least for when it’s Rolen instead of END.
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I don't have much against htat, honestly.
If Cozart isn’t hitting, then he’ll be moved down. If he is hitting, he’ll be moved up. That’s ok.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
unless Stubbs or Mes or Ludwick or Heisey or Rolen isn't hitting either.
Or Bruce, for that matter.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Cy, you ever have any Boulevard beers?
I just brought back a bottle of their Tank 7 Farmhouse Ale from Indy this weekend and it’s out of this world good. Any suggestions on other stuff from them?
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Crum-Bum Beat
Tank 7 is head and shoulders above anythign else
The Bully Porter is pretty good, the wheat is ok, and the single-wide IPA is acceptable. Everything else is pretty bland, I’ve never been too impressed.
Oh, and one of you (all of you?) recommended the Sierra Nevada Celebration, of which I had my first tonight. So thank you.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Celebration's legit. I love that beer.
This is my soup for tonight!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
God bless Odell.
Upslope’s real good too, if you can scope ’em out.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Upslope, Left Hand, Boulder Beer, New Belgium, blah blah puke puke drunk pass out...
Yeah, it’s definitely spoiled beer country out here!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'm inebriated!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm rockin this. Gotta stay local, after all

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I think Alan brought it up and I seconded it.
I have always wanted to try Boulevard’s Saison Brett, but have never seen it anywhere.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
me neither, if it makes you feel better.
they just have so many mediocre beers that if I’m skeptical, and if I’m going to go for a saison, I’ll go for one I trust (that said, I got burned by a Odell Woodcut series in December)
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Do you guys get New Belgium there?
If so check out the Allagash collab they did called Vrienden (if you haven’t yet). It’s part of their Lips of Faith series, and it’s fantastic.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Haven't found it, but I'll be on the lookout.
I went to the beer store today to pick up Bell’s Oarsman, one of my all-time favorites. I’ll snoop around the usual suspects for Vrienden.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I like Hanigan because of the OBP and good contact. Of course, he's also a GIDP threat so that's a drawback.
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by Grahamophone on Feb 1, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Dusty didn't play him that much last year
the plan was to give him 2 days off a week.
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I'm enthusiastically drinking the Rolen Kool-Aid,
throwing the projections on the ground, and urinating on them. I think the shoulder surgery gives him that one final good year that RSC references. His line last year (.242/.279/.397) is underwhelming, and I understand all of the concerns. But there’s also plenty of room for optimism:
- He’s still hitting for some power, even if it’s largely doubles and triples. His ISO was still respectable (.155) with the bum shoulder. After the last time he had surgery, his ISO rose by over fifty points.
- He had bad luck on balls in play last year. His .262 BABIP was over forty points lower than his career average. A low BABIP can be a sign that the hitter made poor contact, but given all of his XBHs I think it was mostly bad luck. He also maintained a LD rate of 20%. Caveats about batted ball classification apply, but at least that’s consistent with his career norms. I think a bounceback in BABIP to ~ .290 is reasonable.
- His low walk rate last year was a real anomaly for his career. He probably won’t revert to a 10%ish walk rate, but he’ll certainly improve on last year’s 3.7%.
- He did cut down on his Ks in 2011, partially due to improved his contact rates for both balls in and out of the zone. Hopefully, he lays off stuff outside the zone more this year.
- There are several other 3B who’ve enjoyed productive seasons in their late 30s who have a similar hitting profile as Rolen (good average but not .300 hitters, decent walk rates, and good power): Melvin Moyer, Vinny Castilla, Ken Boyer, and Gary Gaetti.
Add it all up, and I think his batting rates go back towards their 2010 levels, and he gives us 100 starts at third with another 10-20 PHs.
by ken on Feb 1, 2012 11:34 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Low BABIP and an abnormally low BB%.
I don’t know if that’s just bad luck or if it’s a clear sign of an over the hill, injured, “lost it” kind of player.
I hope you’re correct though, Mr. lower case Ken.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think Rolen took some pretty weak, desperate swings last season
But I think he’s a strong enough dude that corrective surgery can bail him out one more time.
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"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 2, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Also, HE CAN'T RUN
That is why his BABIP was so low. That’s what happens to old, broken down players.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 2, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Overstatement
He’s not fast but he runs well enough. He wasn’t nursing any leg injuries last year that I can recall.
A .242 BABIP is terrible luck for a guy who’s been around .300 for most of his career and still hits the ball with some authority (even if he’s a little slow). And bear in mind that we’re talking about just a half-season’s worth of PAs.
by ken on Feb 3, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
he went first to third to win the All-Star game !
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
If he continues making contact on everything
that’s not actually a good thing – bad BABIPs and DPs
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Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
Back in late August Rolen was talking like he'd be back on the field in September.
I read on a fantasy blog that the doctors told him he could take BP, so he must have had SOME range of motion and strength then.
It behooved him to do one of those “I-tried-a-new-training-regimen-that-has-put-me-in-the-best-shape-of-my-life” things…hopefully he’s done that.
I'm optimistic about the surgery helping
The talk was that the shoulder injury was basically preventing him from catching up to fastballs. I don’t expect him to be all-star level, but I think he’ll be good. I think something like .270/.350/.420 would be fine. It’ll be better than what any of the other 3B options will do.
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huh?
no, Slyde means based on performance. Sorry about the confusion!
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no I know, I was joking because he made the all-star team last year
with abysmal stats. He was the starter!!
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I know
but your joke just woulda been funnier if you said he was an All-Star last year, rather than all-star level. Please take this joke and sarcasm critique in the spirit in which it was intended. You’ve got a bright future, big guy!
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Wasn't pretty much every 3b injured/awful going into the break?
It was either Rolen or Ryan Roberts and fuck that guy.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Polanco, Chipper, and Zimmerman were all hurt, right?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
and Wright.
Who I still weirdly think of as overrated until I look at his stats and am like “no sir, you are quite talented.”
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
And
Aramis Ramirez was seriously screwed. But he was a cub. So f that guy.
Aramis was seriously sucking at that point
probably as bad as Rolen at the ASB
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I am optimistic
but not necessarily for Rolen. I think the Reds will have above average 3B production with Rolen, Frazier, Francisco, and Cairo in the fold.
So if Rolen can put up a 2010 repeat, awesome, if it is more like 2011, somebody else will probably pick up the slack.
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by BubbaFan on Feb 2, 2012 12:04 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
It's Rolen's contract year
He’ll have a good year, and trick Reds management into an Arroyo-type contract. History repeats.

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No. I don’t think they’ll re-sign him. He’ll be 38 next year. I think even Walt knows that’s too old to be a starter. And definitely too old to get a multiyear contract.
Not sure what will happen if END crashes and burns, but it won’t be Rolen getting an Arroyo deal.
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Yeah, if END crashes and burns...what could the Reds possibly do??
Trade or FA I guess…
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Play Frazier.
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Oooohhhhh! Yeeeeeeeeah...
or that.
Except that the Reds seem intent upon not doing that.
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If END fails they won't have much choice.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
If END fails, Dusty will probably go to Cairo mainly
and then the Reds will get a 3B in the offseason.
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I don't think so.
I think he’ll still use Cairo as a super sub. The guy is old, and Dusty won’t play him everyday. I think you would see Frazier at 3B 50% of the time.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
When both Rolen and END were out last season, Cairo took a good many of the starts at 3B, IIRC. Even as Frazier was available, and Yonder was experimenting, he went with the vet.
I could be misremembering, though.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I think Frazier received a decent amount of starts.
Cairo was also playing pretty well at the time.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Frazier got a lot of the starts
as the season became more and more lost
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Francisco got most of the starts in Sept.
Frazier had one more start than Cairo at 3B after 8/29 (selective end point!). END had 6 more than both of them combined.
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yup
Or Cozart to 3B, Didi to SS?
Assuming Cozart doesn’t crash and burn, too.
And assuming Didi learns to hit. But the scouts think his ceiling is higher than Cozart’s, so they must see something they like in him.
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I think his ceiling is higher because of his defense and good contact skills.
His power and plate discipline are lacking.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
If a player lacks both power and plate discipline
I think his ceiling is quite low. Utility infielder upside. Scouts seem to think he will develop power or something, but I don’t see it.
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Cozart's plate discipline is rather underwhelming, too
And Didi is only 21, so I could see him developing some power.
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Cozart already has the power and has shown a much better bat
and also has the defense
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Didi's defense is supposed to be better than Cozart's
And it’s probably still improving, while Cozart’s on the wrong side of the defense curve.
Cozart does have more power, but he’ll be 27 this year. When he was Didi’s age, he was batting .239 / .288 / .332 in Dayton.
Not saying that I think Didi’s a better player now. Just that there might be reason to think his ceiling is higher than Cozart’s.
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I don't think that will hinder a SS.
He puts the bat on the ball and plays good defense. Plate Discipline and power is something that could still develop.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
He’s a toolsy guy, and one of his tools is power. It hasn’t showed up in the games yet, but it seems that it’s possible. He’s not like Janish, who never had the tools to hit for power.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Didi probably has a hot gf=supreme confidence in himself
That’s kind of a light hitting duo. Even considering the decline in the 3B position, Cozart’s value as a third baseman is pretty low. It’d probably be better just to trade him (assuming he doesn’t go up in flames like you said).
When the Reds win it all
he’ll retire.
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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting (lips not moving and with a lisp)...
however, i make no prognostications with rolen. no speculations. i do have to like his chances of being a solid contributor this year because he’s got the true pro’s angle on the game.
I don't get it
- Why all of the Rolen pessimism? The guy’s been a great player in the past, and was hurt last year. Also, as pointed out, his defense is still somewhere between better than average and very good.
- Why all of the off-the-chart END love? According to bbref, the guy’s been replacement-level so far in his major league career, and his hitting approach (swing as hard as possible at every pitch and hope something good happens) isn’t a recipe for success (nor a sudden improvement in hitting stats). Defensively, he isn’t quite as bad as Encarnacion.
- Why so little love for Frazier? I’m more confident that he’ll improve at the plate (last year he was just as good), and he’s better (and more versitle) than END defensively.
I get that Rolen probably isn’t a 600 PA player anymore, but he has exactly 1 season of >400 PA and <.780 OPS (108 OPS+). If he can get 500 PA, I don’t see any reason he can’t still be a very good hitter, which combined with good-very good defense makes him a much better choice than END.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
We'd all love to see Rolen flip father time the bird
It’s just unrealistic. He had a pretty bad last couple months in 2010, and it continued into 2011. I hope the decline was 100% injury-related, but it wouldn’t be like his decline was unexpected. 37 year old players are supposed to rapidly decline. It was his early 2010 success that was a surprise imo.
Agree with you on END versus Frazier.
There's a big difference
…between ignoring aging and thinking when a player hits X age he’s suddenly toast, especially with today’s training and medical advances. There are quite a few players playing well past where they would have had to retire in the past – the big difference between Chipper Jones and Wade Boggs might be that Boggs was hurt in ’95 and Jones in ’10.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Rolen is 37
I think people are right to be a little pessimistic.
As for END, I think people are being optimistic because we know he’s going to be getting a lot of playing time, so we’re trying to look on the bright side.
Frazier is likely to start the season in Louisville. There’s just no room for him on the roster. He’s more versatile than END, but END’s job isn’t to be a versatile utility guy. His job is to be the other third baseman, because even at best, Rolen can’t play every day.
Also, I’m not convinced Frazier is better at 3B than END.
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OK.
There’s a big difference between “a little pessimistic” and “The best thing would be for Rolen to retire as no one will take him in a trade” or “I’m hoping Rolen steps aside and lets the young, powerful RBI machine assume his rightful place as our 3B in the starting lineup”.
I see nothing in END’s game that makes me think he’ll ever be anything, certainly not on a good team. When healty, Rolen is likely to add significant value, even in a limited role.
Also, Spring Training is about to start (yea!). As anonymous fans on an internet board, why wouldn’t we hope that both Frazier and END get long looks as back-ups, especially considering END puts a big crimp on the 25 man roster? And while you’re not convinced Frazier is better, even if he’s just as good shouldn’t his versatility give him the job (he could get extra starts at other positions when END would be forced to just sit)?
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
I think END's lefty bat
gives him a leg-up, at least in Dusty’s mind.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
END is the 3rd lefty bat and he has no options
He’ll break camp with the team, even if he blows in spring training. Unless of course he’s a total dick and they decide not to tolerate him anymore.
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END is out of options
He’s making the roster, no matter what Frazier does.
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Theres been Rolen pessimism since the day the Reds traded for him
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Which, is/was stupid.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
He was an old cardinal, who can blame us?
by Eastwindquinn on Feb 2, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think Rolen was a Cardinal I always liked.
The guy hated LaRussa. What’s not to like?
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 2, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
END had one of the best defensive plays I've ever seen, and a 500+ HR the next day.
That’ll stick in many folks’ minds. But yeah, I’m not convinced he’ll be above average. I am very curious to see if he will, though.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Reminds me
of one Saturday night game against the Padres when Wily Mo socked a pair of homers and made a really nice catch at the wall in CF. That certainly stuck in my mind.
To be clear, I think END has a better chance than Wily Mo did, but it’s definitely an interesting parallel.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
not that I'm disagreeing with you, but I'm curious
what part of END’s game makes you think he’s more likely to stick than Wily Mo?
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he bats LH, for one.
So I think that gives him just a quantity advantage of being able to face RHP.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
He does have a slightly lower K-rate (better contact?)
and slightly more power at the same age. But yeah, I’m not sure there’s any reason to definitely choose one of the other.
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I’m hoping Rolen steps aside....
….and lets the young, powerful RBI machine assume his rightful place as our 3B in the starting lineup.
Yes, I realize such words make me anathama on this site :-(
I hate it when Ephram uses data & facts to refute my unfounded opinions....No chocolate chip cookies for him!!!
by ephram on Feb 2, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wish I owned a RBI machine
I’d sell it to the Phillies for $125 million.
by cincywest on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
there have been a lot of funny funnies on this site lately
but this one is my favorite of the week.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
yes, yes....you're truly oppressed
There are quite a few of us that flat out don’t like Francisco and a host of others who don’t know what to make of him. My thought is that if Francisco plays 70 games for the Reds this year, the Reds will not make the playoffs. They need Rolen in the lineup, he actually knows what he’s doing at the plate.
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two chances in one thread?
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by bbjones on Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I echo the sentiment from a previous thread that Monty Python should NEVER be considered a guilty pleasure
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I am in the don't know what to make of him
although that is probably due to rose colored glasses, but for some reason I have this weird feeling in my gut, he could be one of those guys who OPS’s over 800 despite an OBP under .330.
Please do not make me defend this argument because I can’t.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
There are a handful of people who think that way, you're not alone
As long as he continues to OPS 1.545 against the Cardinals like he did last year, I will not complain. :)
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If anything else, he is a lottery ticket that was already paid for
might as well see if we won anything before we throw him away.
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I still think Tony Armas is his ceiling
Armas never had an OBP over .311, but he OPS’d over .800 three different times. During his peak, he hit .254/.289/.485, which was an OPS+ of 111 back then (1980-85). It’s not that far off what it would be in today’s numbers either. BBRef converts that to .260/.294/.493 in 2011’s GABP environment. I’d say that’s a good guess for END’s peak.
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Saying your slightly less popular opinion is going to make you anathama on this site makes you anathema on this site.
i'm already anathama for voicing a frustration last month with trading away Torreyes
so if anything, favoring Juan Francisco over Scott Rolen just cements it…
I hate it when Ephram uses data & facts to refute my unfounded opinions....No chocolate chip cookies for him!!!
Well you certainly seem committed to becoming an anathema
You can do it!
(is an anathema some type of snake?)
I always thought it sounded like an invasive medical procedure
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Anathema? I had to google it because I did not know what it meant
This came up:
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I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
So.... anathema = overrated?
stupid?
dumb?
craptastic?
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You can't just BE anathema, can you?
Don’t you have to be anathema to something?
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 2, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I have no clue.
I think ephram used it as a noun.
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According to Google:
a·nath·e·ma /əˈnaTHəmə/
Noun:
1) Something or someone that one vehemently dislikes.
2) A formal curse by a pope or a council of the Church, excommunicating a person or denouncing a doctrine.
Synonyms:
curse – malediction – imprecation – malison – ban
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I got your male diction right here, pal
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No, that's just a short vowel.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 2, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yo mama said it was a long vowel, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!
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I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
by darthmom on Feb 2, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
....since '69
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by jch24 on Feb 2, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
i was using it in the ecclesial sense
so how a heretic is declared anathama to the church because they hold views that are contrary to official church doctrine…..
…..i’m similarly somewhat anathama to the RedReporter group because i hold views (Juan Francisco > Rolen, trade away Torreyes = bad) that are contradictory to the official doctrine of the majority at RedReporter
I hate it when Ephram uses data & facts to refute my unfounded opinions....No chocolate chip cookies for him!!!
I knew RR had a lot of grad students
but I did know any of them were doctrine now. I thought most of them just got a masters or something. If you’re doctrine, please let me know, I have a rash that I’d like to send you some pictures of.
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by Slyde on Feb 2, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wrong kind
Grad students end up with PhDs.
Physicians do no independent research. Thus, they are called “Doctor” by courtesy only.
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They are called doctor because they are one
at least that’s what I always assumed.
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They hold a doctor of medicine.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Here's some free advice, please take it to heart.
Ever heard the phrase, “You can please all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you’ll never please all of the people all of the time”? That applies here just like it does in every other scenario in the world, maybe even more so.
We argue; it’s what we do. We argue about things that don’t even matter, like who should rightfully be labeled the 21st best prospect in the Reds minor league system or whether it’s better to rent or own your residence. The only rule is that people don’t attack each other on a personal level, and even that one is bent from time to time.
One thing I can guarantee you, though – playing the victim will displease all of Red Reporter all of the time. You’re not nearly the first person to hold a differing opinion here and you’re not nearly going to be the last. When someone says you’re crazy for thinking that Juan Francisco is better for the Reds in 2012 than Scott Rolen (and you are), it’s nothing personal against you I promise.
Oh, and it’s the internet – at the end of the day we’re all just spitting in the wind anyway.
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by jch24 on Feb 2, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
And mor epeople agree with him than he thinks
or at least don’t think he’s that far off anyway
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
are we all epeople?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Well, the personas we present on RR are all epeople, yeah
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
yeah, I think people are split between Rolen, Frazier, and END
about 60-10-30 about now. Which is probably also how their PAs will settle out.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
So I'm toying with the idea of going to med school
I studied film in college. Any doctors here wanna shed some light?
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Any doctors here willing to shed some camera?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'm no doctor
but I did get a liberal arts degree, so I’m qualified to talk to about everything.
I know a goodly number of folks go to med school with a liberal arts background. The critical thinking and problem solving skills translate pretty well.
A good friend of mine from high school started his residency about a year ago, which means he’s pretty much a rookie doc. And he’s 28. So if you really want to do it, you gotta be prepared to not settle down into your career until you are well into your 30s. Oh, and the debt.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, the debt and the long road to independence are two of the big question marks
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my wife went to med school with a liberal arts degree
though her BA is in chemistry.
Having been married to a medical student, don’t decide to do it on whim (not that you would). Even beyond what Chuck said, it can destroy any life you have for several years. If you aren’t fully committed to the idea, you probably don’t want to do it.
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exactly.
Oh, and do you like blood? How about puke? Poo, perhaps? Snot, puss, or spit?
There’s apparently lots of that. Lots.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 2, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
don't care, don't care, don't care, don't care, yes, depending on what you mean by puss, and don't care
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I'd say it's more like bile than snot
but puss is it’s own awful thing. Peter Jackson used it quite effectively in Dead Alive, a classic.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Pus is its own awful thing. Puss is something completely different, kids.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That reminds me of what one of my profs told me just before I graduated undergrad
His degree was an MDiv, and I floated the idea of going to divinity school myself. Harvard, Yale, Duke, and scads of other terrific institutions have top-notch divinity programs and not enough bodies to fill them. This sounded like a not-totally-horrible idea to me, but then he looked at me and said, “You can’t really do it if it’s something you want to do or because it sounds interesting. You can really only do it if you can’t imagine yourself doing anything else.”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
This
And it applies to any post-graduate education, except a masters.
If you want bang for the buck, get a masters.
If you can’t not do something else, then by all means, go do it!
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yeah, I'm in law school because I didn't have the guts to do anything else at that point.
I like Scrabbles’ prof’s take.
One of my bff’s is training to become a Physician’s Assistant. It sounds like a pretty sweet deal; a lot less school than a Ph.D. and a lot more opportunity than EMT. It’s basically a community doctor of sorts. I dunno. It’s a thing.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
That's what my sister is trying to do.
Unfortunately she might have to go to school in Idaho to get her degree.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Idaho's all gravy though.
Well, some of it is biscuits and gravy, but you get my point.
Boise’s the tits!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
May is one of the best months to be out here.
The weather should be perfect.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I have a cousin that lives out there. He loves it.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
My wife's not-so-secret crush lives out there
I think it’s a safe enough distance.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 3, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Become an assasin.
Take care of it.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 3, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
To be honest
He really is amazing. He’s better looking than me, he’s more talented than me, he’s more charming than me. I can’t blame her. I have a little thing for the fella, too.
It’s best if he stays a few thousand miles away. It’s best for everyone.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
You're probably selling yourself short.
No homo.
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by BigBabyBruce on Feb 3, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh
I wish.
It’s totally cool, though. He’s way out of her league. Mine, too.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 3, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
don't you talk about Mrs. Scrabbles like that
she is a wonderful lady
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Oh yeah
I’m not saying she isn’t a wonderful lady. I did marry her and all.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 3, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
That's not true, I live in Silverton silly
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I for one went to law school specifically to fulfill my hopelessly naive dream of making the world a better place.
in undergrad I took a history class from somebody with a JD and Ph.D.
On the first day of class he always asks people what they want to do with their major. One student was pre-law, and he asked her why, and she said she wanted to make the world a better place. He laughed for a good minute and a half or two minutes.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Kinda harsh actually.
It’s one thing for me to say that my dream was stupid and naive, but a to have a professor do that to a student is rough. Lots of attorneys do good work.
Is pre-law a major? What do you do for four years?
It wasn't a major parse
but it was a designation. We were a small University with a Law School as well, so if you choose to be Pre-Law you would major in something like history, political science, criminal justice, or something related, and that JD/Ph.D would serve as your adviser. Actually it wasn’t all that harsh if you were there (you could tell it was an over the top reaction), he is actually a pretty good guy, and actually really takes care of his students, more than anyone else in the department.
I think if you were pre-law it put you on the inside track to get into the Law School, and if you earned a certain GPA and got a certain LSAT score you were automatically admitted to the Law School.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I don't think that's true.
But I’m not a law school admissions counselor, so who knows. I think if you get a certain GPA and a certain LSAT score, you’re in, depending on the institution. I don’t think schools lower those numbers for pre-law or for criminal justice majors, so sure.
(It could definitely be different in person, I’ll take your word for it).
At my school they did
Ohio Northern prelaw students are given preferential admission who (1) complete their undergraduate degree with at least a 3.4/4.0 overall grade point average; (2) who score at least in the 75th percentile on the Law School Admissions Test (LSAT); (3) pass the character and fitness review by the Admissions Committee of the College of Law; and (4) pursuant the ABA Admissions Standard 501, are deemed by the law school Admissions Committee to appear capable of satisfactorily completing its program and being admitted to the bar.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
That must be a special early/join admission program.
My aforementioned former roommate was in a program like that, an agreement between UD and UC that she applied for as a senior in high school. If she kept up her grades and got some minimum on the MCAT, she was automatically admitted. I think a few other Ohio schools had the same agreement with the UC med school.
by the finest muffins on Feb 5, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I was going to become a lawyer to protect environmental rights of vulnerable communities using the totally adequate laws we have and also somehow have someone pay me for it!
Of course you were!
I was going to win a Nobel peace price for my work unifying US-Hispanic relations, especially regarding immigration! And get paid as well.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I'm a little confused now
Are you being sarcastic?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 4, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
No, I entertained those thoughts at one time
that’s kinda what college is like for the intellectually-inclined (for lack of a better phrase). Even though, you do realize somewhere in your mind that it isn’t realistic at all.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
That's what my wife finished
she’s been looking for a job for 8 months now
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
life is shit for entry levels.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
my uncle graduated law school & was unable to find a job immediately
he managed an HH Gregg for 2 years before he got hired as a public defender.
hh gregg paid a lot more.
become a pharmacist and move to Alaska, dude.
them folks become millionaires.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
my experience at a school with a large pharmacy program
is pharmacists are people who are good at science and don’t want the med school experience.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I knew an English major my freshman year who planned to go to med school
he figured he would learn how to write really good application essays. He is in his final year of law school now.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I'm not a doctor, but I've lived with two med students.
It’s a long, difficult, but especially LONG process toward doctorhood. You basically give your life away for 8 years.
by the finest muffins on Feb 2, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I see now that everyone else already made that point.
So here’s some added value: my best friend who’s a doctor studied biology in undergrad, which is not unusual. But she told me that, as long as they’ve done their pre-reqs in the sciences, those who majored in something besides pre-med, biology, chemistry, etc., have a bit of an advantage in admissions. Schools want to admit a broad range of majors. My other friend who’s a doctor now was a theology undergrad.
by the finest muffins on Feb 2, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
On that note
I knew somebody in Chicago who wanted to be a vet, but her undergrad degree was in history or English or something useless like that. She was in a program at Northwestern (don’t ask me what it is called) where she and others who wanted to go veterinary school, med School, pharmacy school, nursing school, etc took advanced science classes to help them build their credentials.
Also FWIW, I think if you really want to and you are qualified there is a place for you. My G.P. was born and raised in America, and went to med school in Mexico.
I also met a neurologist last year who worked in advertising before he decided he hated his soul-sucking meaningless job, and went to med school.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw a doctor pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
he just passed out with no explanation?
yeah, that does sound serious
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
it would be cooler if it went the other way.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Feb 3, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Being a Doc is over rated
Look into becoming a PA (physician’s assistant) 2 yr. program, much less debt, can diagnose, medicate and poke/stick patients just like a real Doc. (one just has to be working in concert with a real Doc.)
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
After 18 months under a "real" doc
you can then work independently with your own patients. You just can’t do any surgery, is basically the only difference.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
you mentioned your daughters are sciencey
did they consider med school?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
My friend's brother majored in Medieval Literature
He just completed his M.D.
Go for it!
by Brendanukkah on Feb 4, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
What I would like to hear from Scott Rolen
is the announcement of his retirement.





































