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Cozart should be ready to rock (me Amadeus) on Opening Day, right?

Easy on that elbow, PInstripes.

Barring an unforeseen - and probably unfortunate - move, the Reds will enter the 2012 season with Zack Cozart and Scott Rolen at the top of the depth chart for SS and 3B, respectively. Both players, though at opposite ends of the career spectrum, suffered major injuries to their moving parts last season (requiring surgery). While you consider the most depraved way to misinterpret that vague description, let's turn an eye to the younger half of that triple play combo; which should be called: "the Old Man and The C."

Let's look at the young master Cozart. After a very nice, contact-driven showing in Louisville, Cozart sustained his AAA success over 38 plate appearances in Cincinnati (though with nary a walk). His defense has often been described as only a small step down from Paul Janish and his error-free performance in the bigs did nothing to gainsay that. Though of course it's hard to get a read on him if you haven't seen him up-close in the Reds' system.

On July 23, Cozart left a game against the Braves after injuring his elbow applying a tag. Initial x-rays were negative, but further investigation and abortive attempts to hit in the cage led to a decision to have reconstructive Tommy John Surgery on his non-throwing elbow in mid-August. He was projected to be ready to go for Spring Training 2012, but there's no way to know for sure - even if you are Zack Cozart. On top of that, team-given timetables are notoriously lowball.

Star-divide

The non-throwing elbow requires less range of motion, but still needs maneuverability to make backhand picks, tags and guide the extension of the swing. Those motions require less rehabilitation time and indeed non-throwing athletes can often avoid surgery for a similar elbow ligament tear. Cozart was cleared for baseball activities in early December, less than four months after surgery, which gives him another four months to be in game shape for Opening Day. Zack Attack(-ack-ack) himself seemed highly optimistic at Redsfest (via John Fay):

"I can start swinging, throwing, taking groundballs," he said. "I'm pumped. I told my wife I was so excited. People still want their offseason, but I'm ready to play in like a month."

...

"I've never been through this," he said. "But from after the surgery to now - being able to straightened it out forcefully - it feels 100 percent. I won't know until I swing."

Justin Maxwell sustained a similar injury on his non-throwing arm near the end of the 2010 season which required Tommy John. Surgery soon after the close of the season still projected him to be ready for 2011 and he was able to start the season playing in the Yankees organization. Of course, he did tear his labrum later last season, but I'm going to assume that's unrelated.

Without off-the-record access to trainers or privileged medical information, the Reds lack of urgency acquiring another shortstop may be the most telling signal. Both Jocketty and Baker - Dusty especially - evince confidence in his ability to retain the job he laid a tentative claim to last summer. It could be an overcorrection from the muted confidence the Reds' brass showed in his late call-up during the 2011 season, but the proof will be in the warmed-over offseason pudding.

If the Reds stay with Janish, Negron, D.D. and Co. for depth, it's a little green light for Cozart. There will be others as he checks his progress through Spring training into April. One pitfall could be his youthful exuberance, leading him to push the recovery timetable and overexert himself. But it's that same youth on which Reds are staking their hopes for the shortstop now and for the immediate future.

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Zach Cozart 2012

Well he probably won’t be historically bad.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

be more specific

He could be worse!

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So what you are saying

Is that his 2012 won’t resemble your 2011?

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jan 4, 2012 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

...my wayward son?

I suppose it’s possible, knowing you.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jan 4, 2012 4:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Talk about your stale jokes

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what's not stale? You're fertility!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaHAHAHAHAHA. So funny!

Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?

by andromache on Jan 4, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

good point

but my sources say jch is on an alltime fertility hitless streak.

#SoftJch

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by obc2 on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Modern medicine = dominant bullpen

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by jch24 on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

It's what all men hope for

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by jch24 on Jan 5, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Looking at his development there is no reason to think that he can't in time be a better than average SS with a decent OBP .

I like this kid a lot, he’s aggressive at the plate but makes contact.
The real question is can he bunt!!!

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

I think Cozart could be a nice boring non-memorable shortstop for a few years.

Todd Walker-esque completely forgettable guy. Which is a huge step up, and it isn’t like the Reds can have stars at every position.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too!?

crashtestnipplechip citymoron

by Excalib8 on Jan 5, 2012 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

HOF HOF HOF

HalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffameHalloffametc.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 5, 2012 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 5, 2012 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Larkin, Concepción

Just because it’s a premium position doesn’t mean any slap hitting leather-slinger can get in.

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by Excalib8 on Jan 5, 2012 3:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Name a better Shortstop in the '70s.

I’m not saying that Davey belongs in the HOF. Just saying that teams punted on Shortstop offense for a couple of generations. Relative to his peers, Concepcion was undoubtedly a star – hence the 9 All-Star games.

by ken on Jan 5, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

he developed at the dish

when he came up he was Soft J. but he wound up with, what, 2300 hits? many seasons with double digit homers?

Davey was a prototypical SS in his era.

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by obc2 on Jan 5, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Todd Walker was a fine 2b

He was a journeyman player who was highly respected in MLB.
What’s your beef with Walker?

In 2002 when with the Reds he:

played in 144 games
hit 42 doubles
hit 17 hrs
had 64 RBIs
50 Walks

His career stats are:
BA .290
OBP .348
OPS .783
SlG. .435

Not HOF but hardly forgettable.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

me too.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty forgettable

he wasn’t so bad that he will always be remember like Paul Janish will be, and he was hardly a star.

Forgettable doesn’t mean bad.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong again Yoss.

Forgettable is Bill Doran.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

junior kennedy

says thanks

Jack McKeon on 2000 Reds "We have more MRI's than RBI's on this club."

by dunnateher on Jan 4, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

take a poll the next time you are at GABP

find out how many people remember Todd Walker.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember him

so get bent

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 5, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Bill Doran is well known in my family

My Grandfather and Bill’s father were co-workers and buddies for 20+ years. My grandparents still have a butt-ton of Bill Doran swag in their basement.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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by -ManBearPig on Jan 4, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Who?

Just kidding. I remember. Oh, how I remember.

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by bbjones on Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

aaaaaand boom goes the dynomite

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by UncleWeez on Jan 4, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the chance that Wolfgang totally flops?

20%? 15%?

I’m as optimistic as anyone about him, but I think we need to at least be realistic about our expectations.

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by UncleWeez on Jan 4, 2012 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

I think .250/.300/.400 is a reasonable floor for him

I would be okay with that, especially if he plays steady defense.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Mmmmnnnneeeeehhhhh

I would be OK with it until he starts hitting arbitration.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 4, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i really just don't want him to be a second pitcher in the line up.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It's OK.

Dontrelle’s bat will make up for it.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Jan 4, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Man have I got some terrible news for you, TT.....

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by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

has MLBTR reported it?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

this is gross and funny

the funny gets a rec, the gross gets an unrec

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by UncleWeez on Jan 4, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That is what loves becomes.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats 5 pounds of horse in a 10-pound bag.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

teh Fay's

update makes it sounds like it’s pretty sure that Coco will be back.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

also

Brackman is official.

And the Reds have signed PJ Phillips, BP’s younger brother.

And the Reds released a spring training press release:

SPRING TRAINING: Pitchers and catchers report to the Reds’ Player Development Complex in Goodyear, Arizona on Sunday, February 19…after physical examinations, they will work out later that afternoon…position players will report Friday, February 24 and following physicals will work out that afternoon…Photo Day is Saturday, February 25 at 7:00 a.m..

Is it spring yet?

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope they made it clear to BP

…. that the money for signing PJ comes out of his extension.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jan 4, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

ha!

Dear BP

We signed PJ? What now?

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 5, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

The Reds also signed catcher Brian Peacock,

whose colorful career covers six minor league seasons with the Nats. Last year, he went 2-20-.237/.303.328 in High-A ball before a three-game promotion to AA where he wore it out to the tune of .286/.429/.714.

Brandon’s little brother PJ was a second-round pick of the Angels in 2005. He’s been stalled in High-A ball since 2008 and has played just 25 games since 2009.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Jan 4, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

Six years in pro baseball for PJ, and still in A-ball. That doesn’t sound very promising.

Was he injured in 2010, or just unable to get a job?

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta kinda suck for PJ

BP being a baseball star, and his sister being a successful WNBA player.

BP was once a stalled prospect too!

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by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder

if this is an attempt to get on BP’s good side.

PJ sure has been a disappointment for a second round pick. Good speed, decent power, but no plate discipline and bad contact.

He’s a SS, though, so there’s that.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably is

Brandon may even have given Walt a call to see if he could find a place for PJ.

How valuable is a single A roster spot anyway?

Darryl Harang was in the organization for a bit.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

We drafted him.

I want to say he was an 11th round pick, but I’m not certain. I’d say that’s a little different then signing a 6 year minor leaguer that has never made it past A ball.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 4, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Brad Peacock in the Nats orginazation too?

Are they related somehow?

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by kcgard2 on Jan 4, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanna see your peacockcockcock

just kidding i really don’t

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by UncleWeez on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

why couldn't they have thrown him and whatever he was owed in the Marshall trade?

I’d take Big Z for nothing.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the marlins are sending Chris Volstad back

and picking up $3 million of Z’s salary for 2012.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 4, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say that is still worth the risk.

That is unless Z hits his option requirements. Crazier shit has happened, but you never know.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 4, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Z had a no-trade.

I doubt he comes here, but he knows Ozzie.

by UDFlyers1 on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, i didn't want him.

But, I kind of like the Marlins getting him. He’ll probably be happy there and they gave up almost nothing. He’ll be worth $3,000,000 next season.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

At least, I would say.

"After you said Britta was right, everything sounded like one big foghorn." -Jeff Winger, Community.

by UDFlyers1 on Jan 4, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus the Cubs get to pay $16M to not have him

So there’s that, too.

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by bbjones on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

How much is that new aquarium worth?

If he takes a bat to that, he’s giving back all his value.

by ken on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Volstad was supposed to be impressive and just never became much.

I can’t believe the salary relief is that important to the Cubs.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

A few interesting things here..

1] Zambrano is only 30. I would have guessed 34 or 35.

2] Zambrano makes almost $19M per year. Holy wow.

3] Michael Hill, the Marlins’ GM is from Cincinnati. His Wikipedia page says he was a badass football and baseball player at Harvard before being drafted by Texas and then he finished his pro career with a year in the Reds’ farm system (’95).

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 5, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

What a Harvard badass might look like

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 5, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Our thuggest president.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 5, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

er, Andrew Jackson?

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by bbjones on Jan 6, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take Teddy
October 13, 1912: Three and a half years after he left office, Roosevelt was running for President as a member of the Progressive party established in 1912 by Roosevelt and other political free thinkers, after he split from the Republican Party which he had served as a member of during his Presidency. In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, John F. Schrank, a saloon-keeper from New York, shot Roosevelt once with a .38 caliber revolver. A 50-page speech folded over twice in Roosevelt’s breast pocket and a metal glasses case slowed the bullet. Amidst the commotion, Roosevelt yelled out, “Quiet! I’ve been shot.” Roosevelt insisted on giving his speech with the bullet still lodged inside him. During his speech Roosevelt stated, “It takes more than one bullet to bring down a Bull Moose” thus further perpetuating Roosevelt’s image as a larger than life President and the nickname of the Progressive Party, the Bull Moose Party established in June 1912 after Roosevelt responded to reporters questioning his health stating, “I am as strong as a Bull Moose”. He later went to the hospital, but the bullet was never removed. Roosevelt, remembering that William McKinley died after operations to remove his bullet, chose to have his remain. The bullet remained in his body until his death in 1919. Schrank said that McKinley’s ghost had told him to avenge his assassination. Schrank was found legally insane and was institutionalized until his death in 1943.9

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by jch24 on Jan 6, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I dunno
On the last day of the presidency, Jackson admitted that he had but two regrets, that he “had been unable to shoot Henry Clay or to hang John C. Calhoun.”

Also:

By May 1806, Charles Dickinson had published an attack on Jackson in the local newspaper, and it resulted in a written challenge from Jackson to a duel. In the duel, Dickinson shot Jackson in the ribs before Jackson returned the fatal shot; Since Dickinson was considered an expert shot, Jackson and his friend, Thomas Overton, determined it would be best to let Dickinson turn and fire first, hoping that his aim might be spoiled in his quickness. Jackson would wait and take careful aim at Dickinson. Dickinson did fire first, hitting Jackson in the chest. Under the rules of dueling, Dickinson had to remain still as Jackson took aim. The bullet that struck Jackson was so close to his heart that it could never be safely removed. Jackson had been wounded so frequently in duels that it was said he “rattled like a bag of marbles.”

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 6, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we should have them duel to decide

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by jch24 on Jan 6, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I would have to agree it is Jackson

the man walked around with fucking bullets inside of him.

There is even a theory held be a small circle of historians one of the reasons Andy Jack was so nuts was he suffered from low grade lead poisoning from all the bullets inside of him.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You didn't read my comment did you?

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by jch24 on Jan 6, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i was under duress at the time.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 6, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame lead poisoning

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by jch24 on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame soap poisoning.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 6, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

We all know that people on internet boards don't bathe, common

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by jch24 on Jan 7, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

x

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 7, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

With Brackman on the roster (did he get a split contract or a big league deal?)

the Reds roster stands at 38.

If they add a LFer, backup SS, and Coco, they’ll need another roster spot.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

But somebody would have to be DFA'd regardless of Brackman's options.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

please explain

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 4, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

optioning a player to the minors

gets him off the 25 man, but not the 40.

That is why you sometimes see players DFA’d when they still have options. It means the team needed a 40-man roster spot.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I see 38 + LF, SS, OF = 41

I bet they only sign SS depth to minor league deal if at all.

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 4, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

that would be good news for Janish

But I think Justin’s probably right. They’ll sign a veteran SS, and boot Negron or another minor leaguer off the roster. He’ll probably clear waivers, and even if he doesn’t, he’s easily replaceable.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 5, 2012 6:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do they need to sign a LF and another OF?

If they sign a new LF, that gives them 5 ML OF – New LF, Stubbs, Bruce, Heisey, and Frazier. Do they really need a 6th?

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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 5, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

that meant to say RP

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 5, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Negron would seem to be the obvious choice

with a AAA OPS of .607, I doubt the Reds would have any trouble getting him throw waivers. Also if the Reds decide to waste a spot on a back up shortstop, Negron is a true break glass in case of emergency player for them next year, with Cozart, worthless waste of space and resources middle infielder, and Janish in front of him.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

was there ever an explanation

of why Didi was added to the roster? He was signed at 18, and should have been safe from the Rule 5 draft for another year.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

because our roster head count was very low I would guess

you don’t want to have like 35 guys on your 40 man if your 25 man filled out. Might as well have depth from within the system rather than have to DFA a minor league free agent without options.

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 4, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

that makes no sense

We lost players, and risked losing others, to clear those roster spots.

Didi just cracked AA in 2011. He’s not going to be used on the big league team any time soon, and even if he was, he could be added later. After spring training, next July, whatever.

You don’t want to add players to the 40-man before it’s necessary. You can’t get them off again without exposing them to waivers, should you need that roster spot for someone else. And you burn options if they aren’t added to the 25-man, which a waste.

I’m wondering if Didi is older than we thought, or there’s some other reason he was eligible for Rule 5 early.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Bubbafan

No non-Rule V Draft eligible minor leaguer, who has a minor league contract, and who has yet to be on the Major League, roster belongs on the 40 man roster. All that does is increase the risk of losing said player if you need to DFA him due to roster flexibility issues.

It is a lot easier to put a player on the 40 man than take him off.

or +1

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by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

that makes no sense

I think there is something here we do not understand.

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by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I do believe that is a rule we don't know about.

I think someone asked Fay about it, and he said they were Rule V risks.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Fool!

Don’t you know this is Red Reporter? We understand EVERYTHING!

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by bbjones on Jan 5, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not his prospect status

It’s that he’s taking up a scarce and valuable roster spot when there’s (seemingly) zero reason for it.

Paying for a minor league free agent has nothing to do with it. It isn’t a money saving move at all. If they did want to use him in the big leagues, they can add him to the roster at any time. That’s how the likes of Enrique Cruz ended up on the big league roster for one week in 2007.

Either the Reds are incompetent, or Didi was vulnerable to Rule 5 for some reason we don’t understand. I’m betting on the latter.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 5, 2012 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Walt has proven himself fairly competent

I’m going with the “He doesn’t give a shit”

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 5, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Negron, please!

#MaybeRRreallydoeshaveadoublestandard

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by nycredsfan on Jan 5, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

yup, it really sounds like Coco's coming back

Jocketty: Cordero first priority

The Reds pursuit of an outfielder won’t begin in earnest until the situation with closer Francisco Cordero is resolved. The Reds continue to try work out a one-year deal with Cordero.

It’s not a one-or-the-other situation, as far Cordero or an outfielder, but the fillings the needs is interrelated

"We’d like to do both," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. "But it depends on how much we have to spend on each."

Among the OFers being courted: Dody Ross, Rick Ankiel, Ryan Ludwick, Kosuke Fukudome.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

arrgh

That’s Cody Ross, of course. This place needs an edit button.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I'd prefer his brother Dody

Ankiel is a giant mound of poo. Fukodome is pretty bad. I suppose it is possible that Ludwick has some kind of renaissance, but it seems pretty unlikely. Cody is probably the best of that list, and that ain’t saying much.

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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 4, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Mmmmm

Smores…

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 5, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

G'night. Sweet dreams.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 5, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Out here in Giants territory

Everybody LUUUUUURVED Cody Ross. People talk about him like a clutch slugger to build one’s team around.

Of course, with 4 of the starting 8 averaging worse that Janish (no kidding, that’s where it stood last year when I saw the Reds) the bar was pretty low.

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by bbjones on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Going all "Sorry, Doc" in the playoffs helped cement his status.

Though I would look forward to using the “Like a Ross!” gif here.

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by Cy Schourek on Jan 5, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Cordero is such a waste of resources and roster flexibility.

The only thing he brings to the table is the “proven closer” label.

And we know that is is simply impossible for a team with a good bullpen but no proven closer to win a World Series.

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by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

this isn't trolling

this is the truth.

As things stands if the Reds sign Coco the Reds have an inflexible staff, and have 13 people for 12 spots. But the bullpen is in great shape, despite not having an labeled closer. People love to say that teams can’t win a World Championship without an established closer, and they are wrong.

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by Yossarian22 on Jan 5, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Please quit posting these horrible pictures on here.

It isn’t American. A bald eagle just shed a tear.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 5, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

/flag'd

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by bbjones on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't have a problem bringing Cordero back.

But, I wouldn’t give him more than 1 year $5,000,000. The thing is i think we could resign Marshall for much cheaper as a set up man. Then next season he can become the new closer.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I prefer the name Dody.

If we sign Cody “The Dody” Ross…. he will lose his name.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 4, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Dody!

We can call him the Kingpin!

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by Cy Schourek on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

How bad is Fukudome these days?

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by jch24 on Jan 5, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, he slashed 249/300/371 in Cleveland last year

and he turns 35 at the start of the season.

On the other hand, he was pretty good at getting on base during his entire time in Chicago, even through his time there in 2011. A return to the NL Central might well rejuvenate him.

So he’s old, has little power, not great speed, and has never played an inning in LF. That said, a strong argument could be made that he is the best available choice, based on his .361 career OBP. I fear “Fred Lewis II” here, though

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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 5, 2012 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Seems like he starts out hot every year

Maybe in a part-time role he can maintain decent production throughout a full season. He does get on base (.342 overall last year), and by the numbers plays good defense in right.

by ken on Jan 5, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think he's notorious for being scorching hot in April/May

and basically plays replacement level from there on out.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 5, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

In April, he's never had an OBP below .436 in 4 seasons

His career line after April is .245/.339/.376. I’d still take that OBP in a part-time role. At least over the other FA options.

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by Slyde on Jan 5, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Slyde

I love when stats back up my feelings and even accentuate them!

There is no way Dusty would sit Fukudome regularly when his overall stat line is still weighted heavily by his early success. Witness Jonny Gomes.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 5, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

well

there is no perfect solution, so you have to go with the best available solution, right?

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by Slyde on Jan 5, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I just do not see how this hasn't been rec'd yet

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by jch24 on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

there's a little red link you can press called "actions"

and once you click it, you can click “Rec.”

Nobody had done that yet.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 5, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

YDGI

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by jch24 on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

We're over here making anti-semitic jokes and you're over there being literal

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by jch24 on Jan 5, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

re: Fukdudome obp post April

what is Fred Lewis’ career obp?

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by obc2 on Jan 5, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Must be the opposite seasons of the southern hemisphere

WAIT A SECOND…….

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 5, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That list of OFers makes me feel sick

I would be tempted to actually root against half of them. If they cost less than $2 million or so, as long as Dusty doesn’t let them get 70% playing time, etc.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 5, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Do. Not. Want.

Especially the last three.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 5, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

there are no OF in the AAA cupboard

the Reds need to remain very healthy to have a successful 2012.

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by obc2 on Jan 5, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

What is Louisville's OF sitch now?

I honestly can’t think of a single OF who will be in AAA next season.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Todd Frazier!

/bubbafan’d

Seriously, though, a bunch of nobodies. Brian Barton, Quintin Berry, Denis Phipps, Michael Griffin, etc.

Some of those guys probably aren’t still in the org, so they’ll sign a new batch of 27 year old career minor leaguers.

Then there will be guys coming up from AA. Josh Fellhauer and Cody Puckett are two of the more notable names who will see time there. Also David Cook and Felix Perez. By the end of the year hopefully Ryan LaMarre is there as well.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 5, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Isn't Cody Puckett a 2B?

He’s my dark horse for the post-BP era!

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by kcgard2 on Jan 5, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

The book on him was that his defense was marginal at 2B

and it seems that they’ve officially moved him to the OF as of last season, effectively killing his prospect status.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 5, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well shat

I was just starting to open up to him as a potential prospect

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by kcgard2 on Jan 5, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeepers

Fellhauer is still moderately interesting to me, but dems slim pickens.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, right?

Remember when we thought Felix Perez was anything?

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by nycredsfan on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't realize the Hellflower got up that high,

he could go all Heseinorfia on us yet.

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by Cy Schourek on Jan 5, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

ouch.

Is Darnell McFlurry available again?

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 5, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so

He seems to have stuck with the Red Sox, amazingly enough.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Denis Phipps!

I’m gonna hope he’s really figured something out. ‘Cause he’s probably the backup if something happens to Heisey or Stubbs.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 5, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep hoping.

But spoiler alert: He hasn’t.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jan 5, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Cody Ross? PUHLEEEEEEZE

NO

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 5, 2012 2:52 AM EST reply actions  

Goodness Farney!!!

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

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