SIS: Cincinnati Neighborhoods
Given that it's a slow time in between winter deals and pitchers and catchers, I thought I would crowd-source my house-hunting question. The general questions:
- What areas of Cincinnati are on the rise? What areas are on the decline?
- Where are good opportunities for bargains (i.e. homes with character, relatively safe neighborhoods, etc.)?
- Where in Cincinnati have you lived? How has it changed since first moving there?
- What areas do you recommend to friends moving to Cincinnati?
- Are the stereotypes of East Side/West Side true? Will they continue to be true 10, 20 years from now?
- Any thoughts/advice on house-hunting for my wife and I? More details after the jump...
We're looking for entry-level houses for two young professionals with a moderate amount of consumer/student debt. She grew up in the East Side and is pretty much looking at safe East Side choices (Anderson, Madeira, Milford, Fairfax, etc.). I'm not 100% opposed to this, but I'm not sure how much growth opportunity is there and I think a lot of the homes lack any character.
I grew up as a Navy brat and then went to high school in the Northern 'burbs here and really don't have any allegiance anywhere. I do not want to live in the outer suburbs, because: the houses are boring; the area is boring; and long-term, I think they will be stagnant or go downhill as tastes (Gen Y) change. If I were single, I think I would be buying in Price Hill, Walnut Hills, OTR, but I think I would have trouble convincing my wife (and my in-laws) that she would be safe there. Any thoughts on a good compromise here?
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As long as people continue to ask where you went to high school . . .
there will be an East Side and West Side divide.
I grew up in Anderson/Mt. Washington but went to high school with plenty of West Siders. Frankly, I’m not too fond of Anderson since there isn’t a heckuva lot of culture for young people. It might be great if you’re already planning on raising a family, but it lacks on quality food, entertainment, and shopping.
I’m a fan of East Walnut Hills and Eden Park when it comes to scoping out neighborhoods to buy property in. It’s not as expensive as Hyde Park, but you’re close enough to get to everything there and there’s relatively little crime. There’s been a bit of development there on DeSales Plaza, but the place still has some of Cincinnati’s most unique architecture and you’re a short walk to the best view in town without dealing with driving up Mt. Adams.
OTR will likely be a good investment when you consider all the capital that’s going into the neighborhood, but parking is a big issue and unless midwestern urban living is your thing, it could take some getting used to even if you’re from a big east coast city.
Mariemont, Indian Hill, and Madeira aren’t going anywhere so if you can afford it and enjoy quiet living with nearby shopping, have at it. However, if you’re setting up shop there, it’s a bit of a trek to get to everywhere else.
Interesting
I think Mariemont is our perfect neighborhood 10-15 years from now.
Looking at the crime map, Walnut Hills proper does not appear to be safe; is there a big difference in East Walnut Hills? Would/should my wife feel safe walking the dog around the neighborhood at 8 or 9 at night? How long until the coffee shops, restaurants, bars move in to accommodate the changes in the neighborhood?
Yeah. East Walnut Hills is an entirely different neighborhood.
East Walnut is basically everything off Madison east of Victory Parkway until you hit O’Bryonville. It also includes the area directly east of Eden Park and Mount Adams. O’Bryonville is one of the more walkable and vibrant main street areas of the city.
I really like that O'Bryonville area, but they need to get a little more action going there...
There’s basically just O’Bryon’s and the Bonbonerie. I’m always surprised to see that there’s not 2 or 3 more restaurants and bars up there.
Yeah, though I've seen great reviews for Enoteca Emilia.
And there’s a new Coffee Emporium outfit at Madison and Woodburn across the street from DeSales church. I’m also a big fan of the Skinny Pig on Woodburn. Great lunchtime/weekend spot.
O'Bryon's has Mads and his charming daughters, though
Not sure what else you need.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
We should table this conversation...
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by obc2 on Jan 31, 2012 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah, the West Side
The West Side is nice, but I wouldn’t buy anything in Westwood or Price Hill. It’s still a close knit community and you don’t want to be the couple that bought Aunt Mevla’s house. If you’re not from there, you’ll be considered an outsider for a while.
A solution though, if you want to be near that side of town, is Northside. It has a hip little main drag and a lot of old beautiful homes. Not only is it relatively close to the West Side, but also is nearby Clifton’s Ludlow Ave, home of the Esquire Theatre.
If historic preservation is your thing, Columbia Tusculum is nice. If you want to practically rebuild the house yourself, there’s North Avondale.
Very interesting about the West Side
We’ll have to check out the Northside. I’m not that handy naturally, but I think it would be fun to learn. That sounds like I should leave North Avondale out. I really love the idea of living in a historic home, but not sure if I’d like the practical notion of work, upkeep, etc. My dream house in Cincinnati would have a lot of the unique German Cincinnati touches such as detailed woodwork, stained glass, and unique fireplaces.
As an aside, I love the fact that the Esquire Theatre exists. It’s great to be able to see art-house, foreign, or independent films, but every time I go there, the projection is absolutely terrible. There’s been several times where I leave wishing I had waited to see the movie at home so I could enjoy it better.
If you want a historic home in a cool neighborhood
you should consider Covington or Newport. I live in a great neighborhood in an 1890 Queen Anne in Newport. Tons of kids in the neighborhood. Close to everything. Love it.
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by Pops Daniels on Jan 31, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think Kentucky, like the West Side, are being unfairly disregarded by my wife...
Just looked at there are some fantastic homes right in our price range ($90-$130k). What am I missing? Are there crime issues? Are taxes high? Or is it just Ohioans looking down on Kentucky?
Depends on where you are really.
In Newport, you are quite safe and in a great neighborhood if you are East of Monmouth Street and North of 8th street, generally speaking. Covington’s a bit trickier, but lot of great nooks.
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by Pops Daniels on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Pops is right about Covington.
There are pockets of awesome houses interspersed with run down ghetto areas. Generally the closer you are to the river, the safer the neighborhood is. I know people in south Covington that live in some very rough neighborhoods. The Licking Riverside historic district (closer to the Roebling bridge), where I live, is a nice safe area. I know a realtor here in Covington, if you want, I can pass you along his number.
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We're in exploratory mode right now...
More just trying to hone in on where we are and where we are not looking, but I might hit you up once we get closer to making a purchase.
Wallace Woods is indeed great, but an island.
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see the avg utility bill for a house in Wallace Woods
I estimate 500 bones/month
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my friend just bought the Masonic lodge there
its 3 stories and a basement. he throws some killer parties there.
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Dayton, KY
The Ybor City of Cincinnati.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 31, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
With no disrespect to MBP's friend, all of Dayton, KY should be torn to the ground and replaced with a Fatburger
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by jch24 on Feb 1, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's probably true
There can be only one!
Plus all those other ones.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
i just moved to a new house in florence/burlington
you should buy in my neighborhood. then you could be my other RR neighbor along with Lucky Pierre
As is Ft. Thomas
although you’ll pay a premium for the Hyde Park of NKY. But, the schools are great if you can get past the football crazies.
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by Pops Daniels on Jan 31, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Beechwood!
Kenton Co > Campbell County
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by obc2 on Jan 31, 2012 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know quite a few people on that street.
I’m content in Campbell Co. Beechwood is one of those big fish in a little pond kinda deals.
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by Pops Daniels on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I consider you Hamilton County Near
True Campbell County begins south of nku.
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Here you go
Boone County: Burlington, Hebron, Union, Richwood, most of Florence but not all
Kenton County: Basically anything south of Covington
Campbell County: Ft. Thomas, Cold Spring, Alexandria, Highland Heights
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The 'coop speaks the truth.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 31, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
NKY is gonna suck when the Brent Spence repair work begins
Oh wait…..it’s awful drive now!
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by obc2 on Jan 31, 2012 6:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The 471 work starts this spring and goes on for 18 months
They’re replacing ALL of the road surface from 275 to the Big Mac. Youch.
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I live on the westside in Bridgetown
It’s kind of a weird part of town now. I wouldn’t buy in westwood or price hill now either but not because it’s a close knit community anymore but because the crime has really increased and the schools are, in general, not very good. Those communities don’t have the close-knit feel that they used to. It used to be that families would live in the same house all their lives and the children would buy the house down the street when they were grown or inherit their parents house and live there with their families. It’s not like that anymore. There are a lot of renters and a lot of absentee landlords who allow the properties to decline. There are a number of foreclosures in Westwood and Price Hill now as well. Price Hill has some streets that have been revitalized and hopefully that will spread through the area, but I would not walk my dog at 8 or 9pm in Price Hill or Westwood.
That being said Covedale, Bridgetown, Delhi are nice and you can totally walk your dog at night. These areas are directly adjacent to Westwood and Price Hill. Cheviot is still pretty OK as well. In general, the areas that are in the Oak Hills school district are nicer than the areas in Cincinnati Public Schools but you can still find nice streets in both Westwood and Price Hill. It’s just that the surrounding streets might be scary.
We like Bridgetown because it’s in Green Township and the taxes are low and the schools (Oak Hills) are good. Delhi Township has much higher taxes than Green Township.
Also the housing price are really good now. It’s amazing — there are houses that were going for 300,000 that are now under 200,000 and 200,000 homes several years ago are now in the lower 100,000’s.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
The other members of my family would agree with every word of this,
though they have nothing else to compare it to. I will never move to the West Side again.
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one to live in northern suburbs, east side, west side and NKY?
West side is the strooooooooong side!
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Hey man, it's where I'm from.
I lived in Price Vegas for a long time.
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I grew up in Greenhills/Forest Park
Those are northern suburbs. Also, if you don’t mind living a little further out west, Harrison is nice. You can get a house with some land out there.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
If you count my time as a nomad living in a friend's basment during my divorce, I'm only missing the northern suburbs
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Outside of current residence, where would you relocate (within reason)
Mariemont is Pleasantville, but it’s waaaay out there. And Columbia Parkway sucks.
I’d be down for Ft Wright. Or The Ascent in Covington.
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I disagree...
I’m currently in Newtown and unless there’s a mudslide, I’m downtown in 15-20 minutes.
No kids? Downtown somewhere.
With kids? Tough call, there are good pockets everywhere in the city. I don’t think I’d go back to KY though.
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Columbia Parkway is a beautiful morning drive if you work downtown.
My wife absolutely loves it, been driving DT for 28 yrs. If you properly time it, the drive is rarely difficult.It is esp. pretty at night.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Flying cars? The future is here!
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I agree with Mads. I've been out on Columbia Parkway a few times now,
both in the day and at night, and it’s a great drive.
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by Grahamophone on Feb 4, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I was talking with someone a few weeks ago
that had never even heard of Rain Man.
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by Grahamophone on Feb 4, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure the Esquire Theatre is where my friend got married
That was cool.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
There's some other olders theaters that have been renovated to accomodate weddings
Esquire is still a fully operating theater, which would make me think that they would not do weddings, but I could be wrong.
20th Century is in Oakley, Redmoor is in Mt. Lookout, Esquire is in Clifton
It was near Shake-It Records and the Northside Tavern, I believe
No idea what neighborhood that is, or which theater of those three it would be.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
That would the Esquire in Clifton
Northside Tavern is on Hamilton Avenue in Northside which is about a 3 minute drive down Ludlow from the Esquire.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I went the West Side once, years ago...oh wait Wyoming and North Avondale are technically West Side
What areas of Cincinnati are on the rise? What areas are on the decline? Madisonville: on the rise. The West side: on the decline
Where are good opportunities for bargains (i.e. homes with character, relatively safe neighborhoods, etc.) Madisonville has great starter houses (2 – 4 Bedrooms) From $70K – $120 – right nest to Mariemont.
Where in Cincinnati have you lived? How has it changed since first moving there? Clifton ( 1yr), East Walnut Hills (2 yrs), Pleasant Ridge (5yrs.), Mt. Lookout (6yrs) Hyde Park (12yrs) Downtown(2yrs), Madisonville (6 yrs).
What areas do you recommend to friends moving to Cincinnati? Depends on their tastes, their budget and their esteem needs. For young families it is hard to beat Mt. Lookout or North Avondale if you can afford it. Great schools and neighbors who support family activities.
Because my wife and I value diversity over esteem we moved to Madisonville after two of our grown kids bought greats houses there…So many interesting and cool people of so many ages, professions and backgrounds.
Plus it is a place where if you’re older you can flat out buy just about any house you like.
Are the stereotypes of East Side/West Side true? Will they continue to be true 10, 20 years from now?
Any thoughts/advice on house-hunting for my wife and I? More details after the jump…
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Now, your handle makes a lot more sense...
Just looked at the houses there and they look great and a great value. It does look like crime is an issue there and I don’t think I’d be able to convince the Significant Other (and her family) on that.
I live right up the street from Madisonville in Silverton, it's not bad there
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Where's the dividing line between Silverton and Kennedy Heights?
It looks like there’s a really bad area by Silverton, but I don’t think it’s actually a part of Silverton.
Any thoughts on Silverton, Deer Park, Dillonvale?
Silverton, Deer Park, and Dillonvale are cool
Kennedy Heights is about a mile down the road on Montgomery Rd. and I’d stay away.
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You could be right next door to the Deer Park Inn!
The chosen haunt of some racist dude and a guy who grows his own hot peppers!
Shenanigans.
I’ve yet to find someone else who’ll proudly tell you about his pepper collection completely unsolicited.
by FordhamRam on Jan 31, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How much have you hung out on the west side?
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No, I think his name was Mike.
He wore a wife beater and referred to himself as the self-proclaimed mayor of Deer Park. Evidently, this is an unelected position whose duties neither intersect nor conflict with the actual Mayor of Deer Park.
umm, I would love to grow my own hot peppers.
You get his contact info?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
or should I just contact the self-proclaimed mayor's office?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Stay out of Deer Park
Silverton and Dillonvale are legit
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 6, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
We only had break-in problems in Hyde Park.
I’ve never had any crime related problems period in Madisonville. Little bit oh shady activity in Pleasant Ridge and a touch in Clifton. There are ‘bad’ spots in most neighborhoods…most young criminals (break-ins, stolen bikes etc) head for the wealthier neighborhoods (just like Halloween!). I lived downtown and never had a problem even though I’d walk my dog from 7th down to GABP after the 11pm news every night.
My onliest advice is to stay away from the suburbs if at all possible….lots of really weird people live there, in the land of no diversity.
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by Madville on Jan 31, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
West Side of Madisonville, here
That is, west of Red Bank, in a little historic district called Eastwood that no one knows about. I think we’re closer to Oakley Square than “downtown” Madisonville.
We’ve got 3-4 houses for sale right now between $100k and 230k. Search Madisonville in MLS and look at the top end, you’ll find us. Convenient to the lateral and 71, safe to walk the dogs, neighbors look out for one another.
I saw that online a couple days ago and drove by it...
Very cool… so is Eastwood limited specifically to Eastwood Circle historic area or are there surrounding streets that are considered part of Eastwood?
Four streets
Eastwood Circle, Overbrook, and Collinwood. The one on Overbrook looks a steal, honestly.
I've been staying out of this conversation, but I have to drop in and say
I love Oakley. If I were moving back to Cincinnati, I’d look there in a heartbeat.
by the finest muffins on Feb 3, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
The good thing about Eastwood
It’s a little pocket of Madisonville, technically, so the MLS lists them as such and thus home prices are a little more of a bargain than in Oakley proper, but we’re still just as close (or closer) to infrastructure and shopping.
Plus, BBQ Revue. Need I say more?
But do you have any houses for rent?
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I can sell houses in NKY or the west side for the right price!
The correct recommendation is move where it’s warm!!!
If you’re hell bent in staying local, I’d say Columbia Tusculum. Turkey Bottoms. Oakley. Ft Wright. North Bend. Southgate/Ft Thomas near.
Or rent The Nasty Hook!!!
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by obc2 on Jan 31, 2012 6:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wonder if I'd get a discount on rent for the Nasty Hook?
I would like to live somewhere warmer, but two things are holding me back. 1. Being able to go to Reds games regularly. 2. Wife’s family is still in Cincinnati.
The house next to Opening Day is for rent
Hand dig!
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by obc2 on Feb 1, 2012 9:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Mr. Arroyo will NOT be pleased
to discover you’ve painted “N8” over “Hook.”
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or that I started renovating his captain's quarters
And got rid of the mirrored ceiling and water bed
However if you are worried about potential crime:
These three areas have seen some increase over the past 8 -10 yrs.
Columbia Tusculum. Turkey Bottoms. Oakley.
I have friends in Tusculum who love living there but have had kids bikes stolen.
Same with Oakley.
Turkey Bottoms is not a place that an RR would seek residence.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
I didn't realize that East End was also known as Turkey Bottoms...
I think that area has about a 50/50 chance; they’re certainly pumping enough money into it and it looks like there’s a few quality restaurants and watering holes opening now or down the pike (I know of a BBQ joint that’s open and a microbrewery is coming).
The problem is that the new stuff is way out of our budget range and the old stuff is probably in pretty bad shape.
I live in North College Hill
Very nice place to raise your children, My house is very nice and will be on the market soon for about 170,000. The new school is gigantic, like Oak Hills huge. The police department is expanding, so is the retail market as of recently. There is a good mix of races and creeds, which leads to a general indifference I find.
If you want a cheap home, You might want to search Clifton or Northside. Just keep away from the older homes without insulation and bad windows.
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I definitely would prefer an older home, but one where they have kept the old good stuff, while making updates.
Won’t some of these older homes have insulation put in and newer energy-efficient windows? And if they don’t, is that cost-prohibitive to do it?
There are tax credits available for upgrades
Not sure if/how they have changed for 2012, but in the past it was good for 30% of the cost up to $1,500, which helps quite a bit.
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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Feb 1, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
The State of Ky. does a dollar for dollar
tax rebate for qualifying historical properties. We’re getting a princely sum back this year for our major renovations. It rocks, they just don’t advertise it.
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Up to $30,000 (forgot to mention that).
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Wow... that's awesome!
So, it seems the government is widely involved in my investment plan here…
1. Get a mortgage with interest rates artificially lowered by the Fed.
2. Buy a historical house that needs a little updating.
3. On the small amount of interest that I do pay, I get a tax deduction.
4. Make repairs using Kentucky’s tax rebate.
5. Live in the house until the market has recovered. Pay no taxes on the capital gain of the property.
6. Profit!
Yeah, But unless you are a handy man with 5-20 hours a week to work on your house
You will live in a dive and will be too broke to hire someone to fix it up. Deductions or not.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
Bellvue, KY seems to be on the rise a bit right now.
There are some cool houses there, and a little downtown strip that has a couple cool new restaurants. It’s just east of Newport, and is quickly accessible to downtown. The bass player of the Flaming Lips lives there as well.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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The Church of Michael Ivins Hair
lives in fucking Bellevue? No shit?
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Right on the corner of Rt. 8 and Fairfield
Apparently his old lady is from the area and this is where they settled down.
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Rt 8 is an abomination
Easily one of my least favorite streets in town.
Massive gridlock
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were you the one who used to have fireworks watch parties at your absurdly kick-ass house?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Yearly. Indeed sir.
As for the house part, I leave that to others to judge.
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My daughter didn't think much of it
(Sorry about that, again.)
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I thought your house was nothing short of bitchin'
I really enjoyed the kitchen setup up. The spread wasn’t too shabby either.
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thank you very kinly
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Sent a couple links of homes in Northside to the wife
Who forwarded them on to her folks.
It sounds like it will be a very tough sell, because they say it is one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Cincinnati. I get the impression that was true 10-20 years ago, but is less true now.
I also get the feeling that probably means I’ll be at odds with their preferences (and thus my wife’s) on any of the more interesting neighborhoods that we could afford a house. My assumption is, in terms of safety, Northside >= Covington, Newport, most of the West Side, Walnut Hills, etc.
Northside isn't the bees knees
I would strongly advise my daughter not to live there.
Much better options are available in this buyer’s market. Just don’t use tHan’s Realtor!
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by obc2 on Feb 2, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Darn
Guess I can’t have my cake and eat it too…
Of the places mentioned so far, where would you recommend your daughter live? Any of these places that have turn-of-the-century homes that are in the affordable range (~$100-150k) and require some light renovations (i.e. not full rehabs)?
Turn of the century being 1900 or 2000?
It’s a great market now, 300k houses five years ago are going for 200. There’s a ton out there for 150, newer contraction.
If you’re planning on kids I’d pick neighborhood by school district. Oak Hills is damn fine choice for middle class housing.
No kids I’d reside Mt Lookout, Kyles Ln area, maybe Clifton Gaslight district.
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1900 (going as far as about 1930ish)
By and large anything from the 1950’s on is either cookie-cutter bland (1950’s, 1980’s, 1990’s) or cracked out (tri-levels and quad-levels, I don’t know my architecture that well, but the “modern”-looking 1970’s houses that are built in geometric shapes with darkly painted wood or vinyl).
Or earlier than 1900 too
It says a lot for the workmanship of a house that it’s lasted this long and, generally, houses that old will have a lot of character (woodwork, hard-wood floors, unique fireplaces, stained glass, etc.)
Oakley and Hyde Park have a lot of those kind of houses
Although, if you have kids, be prepared to camp out to get them into one of the magnet schools in Cincinnati Public or pay for private school. The CPS neighborhood schools aren’t generally very good.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
Yes, that is true
They have a great reputation.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
All 4 of my kids attended Kilgour and Walnut Hills HS and they are doing great.
all 4
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Walnut Hills is a great school too!
I do think that kids can get a good education at most schools. Parental involvement is a huge factor. I probably shouldn’t make a blanket statement about the neighborhood CPS schools. Many of them have improved a lot in the last few years. You just probably need to check them out before you buy.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I think Northside is more dangerous crime-wise than Westwood and West Price Hill
It’s on par with East/Lower Price Hill. I have a friend who lives on Bates Ave. and she has drug dealers and a couple of prostitutes that work her street on the regular. One time she was out walking her dog around 9:00 at night and she passed a parked car and the guy on passenger’s side said “Hi” to her. She said, “Hi” back and continued walking for about 20 more feet and then hears someone yelling, GET DOWN! GET DOWN! She turns around and the sidewalk is swarming with DEA agents with guns drawn, surrounding the parked car. She dove on top of her dog and pinned him to the ground. Apparently she walked right into their stake-out. Her house is beautiful, by the way, totally refurnished. She got the house through a program the City of Cincinnati has where they sell abandoned houses in run-down neighborhoods for $1 and the homeowners can get low cost loans to fix them up.
I have two other friends in Northside. On is in an apartment building which is loaded with drug dealers. The other one is on Larch which is on the border of Northside and North College Hill. Her street is nice.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
It depends on what part of the neighborhood.
Westwood, particularly going up Harrison until you hit Montana, is a pretty rough stretch. The rate of foreclosures (and the corresponding vacancies and blight) and crime are also much higher in West Price Hill than Northside. Anything immediately off Hamilton (including Bruce and Pullen) and going north into College Hill is well populated and extremely walkable at night.
I meant to say Larch on the border of Northside and College Hill
not North College Hill. That’s true about that part of Westwood as well.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
On the other hand, there are plenty of places in Northside that aren't dangerous.
The same can be said for OTR, Covington, Clifton, Walnut Hills, Oakley, et al. You just have to pick your spots. Also, if you aren’t dealing with drug dealers and prostitutes, they likely aren’t going to deal with you. It drives me crazy when people talk about areas of Cincinnati like it’s some sort of Escape From New York post-apocalyptic free for all where you are going to be raped and murdered on the spot because there might be a high percentage of non-whites in that area.
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by -ManBearPig on Feb 2, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Well, the drug dealers and prostitutes can be a nuisance even if you aren't dealing with them when they are working the street you live on.
As for your other comment:
It drives me crazy when people talk about areas of Cincinnati like it’s some sort of Escape From New York post-apocalyptic free for all where you are going to be raped and murdered on the spot because there might be a high percentage of non-whites in that area.If it sounded like that’s what I was saying, I didn’t mean for it to come across that way. I don’t believe that at all.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.
I don’t think you believe that, you seem like a very reasonable person. It just seems like there is a lot of unfounded fear of black neighborhoods in Cincinnati from people that live in the suburbs and never leave them except to go to Reds/Bengals games and Taste/Oktoberfest, and that annoys me.
And yes, if you live on a street with dope houses and prostitutes, that could be troubling. But, like I said, you pick your spots. You can probably tell pretty quickly if a particular street is rough or sketchy and not buy a house there. The area in Northside FRam mentioned is nice, safe, and has houses that are what Nate seems to be looking for. But, there is a stigma about Northside that pervades among people that have never been there.
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I don't know enough about Cincinnati to mention it (and it would probably fall under a loose def. of "trolling"
But I wonder how different everyone’s answers would be if N8 also said “oh, and by the way: I’m black.”
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
we would all tell him to move to africa because we're all super racist
no really, i would still tell him northern ky.
i want more red reporters living near me
i can't tell
some of my mail is addressed to burlington & some of it is addressed to Florence.
either way, it gets to my house
It wouldn't change anything I've said
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I would have said "oh my god, you are? I'm so sorry!"
Not everything is about race. I don’t give a damn if someone’s purple, but I definitely give a damn if someone is willing to beat/stab/shoot me for the $40 in my wallet. Goons are goons, criminals are criminals, and they don’t care what color their victim is.
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by jch24 on Feb 3, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, having lived in Vermont for three years, I wouldn't necessarily recommend an all-white neighborhood to any minority.
But it’s way different obviously, because we’re talking about a neighborhood in a diverse city, and not, you know, Vermont.
Interesting point...
I think there’s some instances where the recommendations may differ and not be racist.
I went to high school in the Cincinnati suburbs and never left the bubble back then, so I’m just now learning about the different neighborhoods, so I wouldn’t even know if there was any racist slant to any of the neighborhoods recommended for or against.
Have you never watched the local news?
Naz (may I call you Naz?) I am not native to this City. When my wife and I first moved here 33 years ago we quickly found out where African Americans lived just by watching the new at 11pm.
So we immediately moved from Clifton to E. Walnut hills. Hell Yeah.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Where do the African American professional athletes live? CEOs?
It’s more economic than race, Mads…none of my black friends/peers live in distressed neighborhoods.
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by obc2 on Feb 4, 2012 8:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
I agree obc...it is the economic inequality that drives crime.
My reference to African Americans was meant as sarcasm towards the ‘fear of blacks’ that still seems to creep into the perception of many middle class whites…..I live across the street from a single black woman(a college professor) in the corner house, next to her is a single white woman( a business owner) and next to her is aretired white couple. Next to me is an older black woman and next to her is a young white couple. etc etc…we enjoy living next to each other and there is no crime on my street. Yet when we first moved into Madisonville many of our acquaintances/friends warned us that it was a crime infested, trashy neighbor because of ‘Those People’ (Blacks) and that we were making a terrible mistake.
WRONG…our neighborhood is relaxed, safe and the most friendly I’ve lived in in this city.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Just my observation from driving through Madisonville
Is that it has an image problem. There’s some really cool houses in good condition, but they’re are a lot of houses and business that are in bad shape and the businesses through the main strip there are ones you would attribute to high-crime, “bad” neighborhoods. I think a little work on that area would go a long way to establishing Madisonville in people’s minds as the thriving neighborhood that you’re describing, Mads.
The old business section is non-existant. The new one which flows into Mariemont has been slowed in its refurbishing by the recession, but it will get there sooner than later.
If you want a built in ‘business strip’ go to Mariemont, Oakley or Hyde Park. If you’re looking for an inexpensive, safe and friendly neighborhood Madisonville is nice. If you’re looking for an expensive neighbor hood that doesn’t necessarily thrive on a business section then try Terrace Park, Mt. Lookout (although they do have their little square) or North Avondale. These are all good places to live. The onliest places I would warn you about are the suburbs, all white, all boring and average schools for the most part.
… BTW what kind of neighborhood does you wife want to live in..that’s prolly the most important factor…Here’s a nice house on Bramble near where my oldest Daughter and her family live:

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1. What areas of Cincinnati are on the rise? What areas are on the decline? No idea, haven’t lived there since 2004
2. Where are good opportunities for bargains (i.e. homes with character, relatively safe neighborhoods, etc.)? I’ve heard West Side neighborhoods have houses with character, but I also know that I wouldn’t wanna live there if I had to, but honestly what neighborhoods don’t have some crime problems? I mean the neighborhoods I’m going to recommend down below I’m sure all have their warts, but they are in my opinion good options, and safe options.
3. Where in Cincinnati have you lived? How has it changed since first moving there? I’ve lived in Camp Dennison and Kenwood. Camp Dennison still seems like it’s the red-headed step child of the Indian Hill school district, and no one “On the Hill” wants to acknowledge it’s actually part of the same school district.. I lived in Kenwood from 1989 through 2004, and it didn’t really seem to change all that much, except for some of the retail developments that went in, and some restaurants that moved out (but nothing of note, really).
4. What areas do you recommend to friends moving to Cincinnati? I would recommend Montgomery, Blue Ash, Sycamore Township, Kenwood, Mariemont, and Madeira as neighborhoods, but that’s just me.
5. Are the stereotypes of East Side/West Side true? Will they continue to be true 10, 20 years from now? I know there are stereotypes, but I admittedly don’t go to the West Side all that much probably b/c of the stereotypes and the fact I just really have no reason. So yeah, I’m part of the East Side stereotype, and I’m definitely ok with that. As for continuing, I’d say yeah, it probably will..
6. Any thoughts/advice on house-hunting for my wife and I? Pick a great school district.
The ends justify the means
Where in Camp D did you live?
I lived there on Ulrich St for a couple of years. Most people in Cincinnati have no idea it even exists, it seems.
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10178, to be exact
The ends justify the means
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