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2012 Community Prospect Rankings: Votto Window™ Prospect Wasteland Edition

The overly melodramatic title notwithstanding, this year's prospect rankings has a bit of a different feel. In years past we discussed and celebrated the gradual ascendance of the Reds farm system into one of the best in baseball. But after years of gathering prospects, graduating a few to the major league club, and generally hoarding good young players, Walt Jocketty has (finally) cashed in on the talent surplus. The unfortunate side effect of this exciting offseason is a significantly depleted system, but the cupboard is far from bare. The system still has plenty of exciting players from rookie ball up to AAA. It's your job to decide who is the best.

For those of you unfamiliar, the Community Prospect Rankings is your chance to vote on who you think are the top prospects in the Reds system. We'll start today with the #1 prospect, and a pool of 6 players. We'll add players to the pool every couple of days. Want to vote for a guy who isn't yet on the list? Make your voice heard in the comments!

After the jump find stats for all of the players in the first tier, as well as each player's basic strengths and weaknesses. We've also listed the player's Baseball America ranking, if applicable. Once John Sickels releases his rankings in a few days, we'll include those as well.

This first vote should be a no-brainer, but y'all have had some crazy ideas before, so who knows. Happy voting!

Star-divide

Daniel Corcino, RHP, 21, BA-#4--(Dayton) 3.42 ERA, 139.1 IP, 156 K, 34 BB, 1.163 WHIP

Pros: Excellent fastball-slider combo, elite strikeout numbers, and excellent control, especially for a young pitcher
Cons: Slightly undersized (5'11", 165), needs to prove durability by throwing over 150 innings

Zack Cozart, SS, 26, BA-#3--(Louisville) .310/.357/.467/.825, 7 HR, 32 RBI
(Cincinnati) .324/.324/.486/.811, 2 HR, 3 RBI

Pros: Polished, above average defense at SS. Above average power for the position. Good contact skills.
Cons: Below average plate discipline and walk rate. Already 26, has he peaked?

Billy Hamilton, SS/2B, 21, BA-#2--(Dayton) .278/.340/.360/.700, 3 HR, 50 RBI, 103 SB

Pros: Speed. Switch hitter. Speed. Excellent middle infield range. Speed--Many think he's the fastest player in baseball
Cons: Almost zero power, strikes out too much for a guy with no power, and needs refinement defensively.

Devin Mesoraco, C, 23, BA-#1--(Louisville) .289/.371/.484/.855, 15 HR, 71 RBI
(Cincinnati) .180/.226/.360/.586, 2 HR, 6 RBI

Pros: Plus power potential, advanced plate approach, much improved defense, strong arm
Cons: Simply needs to prove himself: Can he call a good game, play solid defense, AND hit MLB pitching?

Yorman Rodriguez, OF, 19, BA-UR--(Dayton) .254/.318/.393/.711, 7 HR, 40 RBI

Pros: Tool shed--Chance for above average power, speed, contact skills, and defense.
Cons: Durability--has only played 122 games total the last 2 seasons. Very raw both at the plate and in the field. Very aggressive plate approach.

Robert Stephenson, RHP, 18, BA-#5--No Professional Stats

Pros: Good size, outstanding velocity (has hit 97), good control, and a potential plus curveball. Supposedly has a very good makeup.
Cons: As a high school pitcher with no pro experience, he's about as risky of a prospect as there is. Can he avoid injury, develop his secondary pitches, and consistently get professional hitters out?

Poll
Who is the Reds #1 prospect?
Daniel Corcino
10 votes
Zack Cozart
46 votes
Billy Hamilton
55 votes
Devin Mesoraco
307 votes
Yorman Rodriguez
6 votes
Robert Stephenson
2 votes

426 votes | Poll has closed

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that one was easy

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Jan 3, 2012 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

No question on #1
  1. is an interesting choice. Outside of Cozart, it’s all high ceiling / low floor guys. I’d imagine Hamilton will end up running away with it, though my gut says he’s got too many holes to fill to ever make it.

by RedStalk on Jan 3, 2012 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

Auto-format fail

Should start off as Number 2.

by RedStalk on Jan 3, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with ya'

Pretty sure he’ll win the vote, but I wouldn’t put him that high. Heck, there’s two guys who aren’t even options yet that I would put ahead of him. (This is not a knock on the available options. For the purposes of this exercise, these are the correct choices.)

I have irrational and unfounded prospect lust for Henry Rodriguez, and the numbers that Sulbaran put up last year in that ridiculous environment have made me a re-believer.

by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 10:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for sharing those.

Beyond the first 5-6 players, I think it gets very tricky and subjective who to include next. And we prefer not to have a pool of 10-15 players just because it gets overwhelming.

Neftali Soto, DiDi, and Todd Frazier have to be in the next group, but beyond that we are open to suggestions, so these are good options.

Honestly, this year is truly an odd list. Beyond the guys in today’s list, it gets really really subjective. (even more so than usual) HRod, Lotzkar, Cisco, LaMarre, and Sulbaran all have legit claims to being up there. But so do Duran, Vidal, and some others.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Sulbaran made great strides last year.

Pitching the way he did in the California League was impressive. Sometimes as fans we give up too early, or at least get impatient, with high school draftees and international signings. Mesoraco and Sulbaran could be guys who provide a nice payoff despite slow starts to their careers.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 3, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been like Mitt Romney on Sulbaran

It’s easy to get caught up. The first time I thought he was gonna be great, it was based entirely on the fact that he struck out Pudge in an exhibition game. That’s some sound-ass reasoning.

by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My main drawback with Sulbaran was and is his health.

His 2011 numbers are very encouraging, but I want to see him get through a full 2012 season before I get too excited.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Hasn't he, once or twice, missed time due to blisters?

Doesn’t seem like the kind of thing we need to keep an eye on moving forward.

by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He has, but

I also feel like he had something more significant in 2010, like a shoulder problem. I could be wrong.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

130-140 IP last season was about right

he was 21 and pitched less than 90 in 2010. anymore IP and we’d be yelling at his mgr/pitch coach for abusing his arm.

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by obc2 on Jan 3, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. We were talking about 2010.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

wasnt arguing with ya

i started following JC a couple years ago when i got BK a signed JC ball from Fifth Third Field. I can’t recall what happened, exactly, in 2010.

off to the googles!

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by obc2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

July 21 2010

INJURY REPORT: Pitcher J.C. Sulbaran was placed on the seven-day disabled list with a contusion to his right (pitching) hand. Sulbaran had trouble gripping the ball during a 13-5 loss to Burlington on Sunday in which he gave up eight runs in 3 1/3 innings, threw two wild pitches and committed three throwing errors. .

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by obc2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

May 5 2010

Today, Dayton’s J.C. Sulbaran has been put on the disabled list with a blister on his right middle finge

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by obc2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

that's all the DL info i can find on the 2010 season for JC

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by obc2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

So no shoulder stuff?

That’s good.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Get yer chicks for free.

That ain’t workin’.

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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 3, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

2011'd

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

the XKCD "shift the dash one word to the right" works well here.

It was some sound ass-reasoning.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Went with the former second best Catching prospect in the Reds' organization.

It’s gotta suck for you and BK this year…there’s so much turnover at the top, you guys can’t even cut and paste ANYTHING!

Is it really possible that Michelangelo can post a .700ish OPS season and actually move up to 2nd in the rankings? I just might vote for him next. I still believe!

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 9:48 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

  1. R Torreyes
  2. N Soto
  3. Y Rodriguez

Oh, frell…we traded away the #1 guy this winter for a 1-year rental of a middle reliever.
Well heck, the #2 guy isn’t even listed on the poll.
I guess i’ll go with Yorman on the voting.

by ephram on Jan 3, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

Ronald Torreyes was probably not a top 10 prospect in this system.

But whatever, he’s a Cub now.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

Sappelt and RoTo are definitely top 10 guys in that system. Maybe top 5. I can’t remember who they have, but it ain’t much.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

RoTo was a definite top 10 in the Reds system

Sappelt is nothing more than Cecil Espy… if that

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by obc2 on Jan 3, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

ill be interested to see where Baseball Prospectus has him and their comments

i dont follow BA nearly as much.

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by obc2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You should. BP's lists are historically less predictive of MLB success

At least recently that’s been true.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Laugh it up, chucklehead

I meant in the last 10 years or so. How long have these people been doing these reports?

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

you should have been a politician

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

so

i can’t think of anyone who was our 13th best prospect that regret trading for a valuable MLB piece.

Odds are pretty high that RoTo never does shit in the MLB.

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Dave, I don't often agree with you but

this is one of those times.

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by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

this is an easy comment to say, now

the dude played in A ball and it will be 2+ yrs before he makes his MLB debut….which should occur 3-4 yrs before Cozart’s debut occured (and we all love Zach).

RoTo can play, no doubt.

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by obc2 on Jan 5, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

So could Wily Mo at that level.

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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 5, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Vitters is by some miracle still pretty young

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't blame you

seems like he should be 27 by now. He musta been drafted and assigned like Juan Duran or something to still be so young.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

he's like Cherokee Parks

who, i believe, played 11 seasons at Duke

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by obc2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

now I know what it feels like to laugh and dry heave at the same time

thanks Pops

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by UncleWeez on Jan 3, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He's also not very good

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think he's probably as good as END, for example

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by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He's basically END without all the power.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Except he plays better defense and walks more

and still has some power…

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by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Some of those who are weak of mind think we should build this team around Joey Votto.

But only the wise knew that the Reds were always Torreyes’s team.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Who is Joey Votto?

:-)

by ephram on Jan 3, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Future Canadian PM

Would be future POTUS if not for Luke Scott

by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

SWEET!

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by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

What makes any of those three better prospects than Devin?

You didn’t really explain it.

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by BK on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

He's got a solid point.

I guess, for me, once they reach the stage where they enter a season as the default starter at a position, they’re not really a prospect anymore.

I still voted for Devin, though, because I voted before I had my coffee and turned my brain on.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

ha

No. In frozen Kentucky for 10 days and counting.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

We go by rookie status.

As in, if a player still qualifies as a rookie, he still qualifies as a prospect. That’s what Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, Sickels, etc. all do too.

The cutoff is 130 MLB PAs for hitters, 50 IP for pitchers, OR 45 days on the active roster, not counting September 40-man expanded roster time.

Under those guidelines, Meso still counts (so would’ve Yonder), but Francisco does not.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i know my definition isn't the official one

But from my perspective, Devin played last year and is being treated as the starter this year…..so that’s why i don’t see him as a “prospect” anymore.

Also, I’m looking at prospects as the guys who have the highest ceilings and have shown some ability to reach those ceilings already….not guys who are the most “major league ready”.
So a guy like Frazier, who is 25 already, and still hasn’t cracked the major league lineup, and only projects as an infield version of Heisey (utility guy), doesn’t really excite me as a “prospect”, even though he is closer to Cincy than a guy like Soto or Torreyes.

by ephram on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fair, but you are seriously overestimating Torreyes' ceiling.

And probably Soto’s too. And while Yorman has a super high ceiling, he’s done very little to show that he’ll reach it. His numbers have not been very good yet. He’s got a lot of ability, but it’s all promise and projection at this point.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been a Soto fan ever since he broke a lot of Juan Gonzalez’s Puerto Rican high school power/slugging records.

With Yorman, i was hoping for more than his “average” performance last year, but you have to remember that his playing age has him a few years ahead of everybody else that he played against. So to get a kid who is the age of a high school senior, playing against guys who are 21~23, and hitting with a wooden bat, to hit “average” in A ball isn’t bad. It’s better than what an older Meso or much older Stubbs did at that same point.

With Torreyes, it’s the same argument as with Yorman, except here’s a young 18 year old kid playing against guys several years older, and not only hanging with them, but absolutely excelling above all of them. His measureables aren’t even on the chart, but once you watch him actually hit the ball – wow! every hit seems to be a frozen rope line drive into the outfield. no pop-ups swinging for the fences or weak hits from him.

by ephram on Jan 3, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that age matters quite a bit.

But still, Yorman Ks a lot, doesn’t walk much, and has yet to show in-game power. Add to that the fact that he seems very injury prone and it hurts his overall value.

And with Torreyes, lots of guys hit for a high average in A ball because defenses suck so bad. But he’ll never have even average power and he clearly doesn’t like to walk. The contact skills and defense are impressive, but a guy who profiles like that needs to show it above A ball before he’s an elite prospect.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

He’s a Cub. Forget him.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah

Fuck the Cardinals. They are standing in our way. The Cubs just suck.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cubs are the Cleveland Browns of the MLB.

They’re lovable losers as a team, but their fans make it really fucking hard not to hate them.

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by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling that they will grow into killer bears before long

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by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Why's that?

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by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I have.

The fans are obnoxious. That’s what I said in my original post.

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by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

didn

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

didn't see the "not"

But I think it’s quite easy to hate them as a team.

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I am ashamed to admit it

I kinda pulled for them in 2003. Mark Prior was my favorite player to watch that year and the Reds stopped by interesting before the Summer Solstice. He was young, he threw hard, he had a nearly uninhabitable slider, and most impressively he had the command and head of a 10 year veteran (outside of the NLCS).

I was really bummed out when his arm blow up, I really thought Prior could win 300 games (not that wins really matter, but anybody who debuted after 2000 and wins 300 games is a helluvan impressive pitcher).

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by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I got sucked into the 2003 team a bit as well.

I was living with my friend who is a non-obnoxious Cubs fan, and was rooting for them over the Fish.

That was kind of a fun team; Prior, Wood, Big Z before he went crazy, Clement, Randall Simon, Todd Walker, Lofton, Lenny Harris and Dusty…

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

i didn’t hate the Cubs until I lived with an obnoxious Cubs fan.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

My buddy will freely admit that 99% of

Cubs fans are assholes. He became a fan as a kid due to WGN. Poor guy didn’t know what he was getting himself into when he was 8 years old.

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by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

My roommate was like an Al Yellion Cubs fan

He thought the Cubs could do no wrong and everybody should just pull for the Cubs. Like when he drafted his fantasy team it was filled with Cubs, because they were the best obviously.

A good friend of mine is also from Chicago, and a Cubs fan for life and he hates his fellow fans.

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by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

this is not an accurate or responsible statement

no team’s sports fans are 99% assholes. a large percentage of the Cubs fans ive met have been delightful, even fun.

even Miami U has some decent pHans.

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by obc2 on Jan 5, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Yorman needs to cut down on the K’s.

Torreyes makes great contact.
I agree he’s probably a low HR guy. But maybe gets 30~40 2B’s?
I think his high batting average can repeat at higher levels as his age increases.

His very low K rate shows a good eye, and BB’s can be improved with maturity. But if i’m hitting in the high 0.300’s as a 17 year old, how likely am I going to be to patiently wait for a walk?

But agreed that he’s a Cub now and it doesn’t matter. But i do fully intent to scream bloody hell in 3 years when he’s tearing it up in Chicago :-)

by ephram on Jan 3, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think 30-40 doubles is a stretch for a guy with little power

I think thats the biggest reason I don’t have much confidence in Torreyes, having at least some power is pretty close to a requirement for making it in the bigs.

by pack_fan on Jan 3, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

speed

the one game i saw RoTo (SSS) he was cut down easily attempting to steal 2B and was thrown out by 10 feet at the dish trying to score on a single from second.

he’s gonna have to hit it off the wall for 2b’s

in that same game Billy Hamilton had a standup 3B on a ball that didnt make it to the warning track on the ground.

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by obc2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Chapman is a prospect by your standards.

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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 3, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

unfortunately

I think he does have a spot on the OD roster. The only question is whether it’s in the pen or the rotation.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I personally don’t think Cozart, END, Meso should still count. But since they’re there, I vote for them.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

how many AB did Cozart have?

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by obc2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

38

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

my definition of a prospect is......

no one cares

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

about redefining points of reference

What if I said my definition of a prospect is everyone below AA? Its like measuring the of boiling point water with uncalibrated thermometers at different altitudes and argueing about the differences. (hint: the number we all get be different for good reasons)

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is

we all agree that the correct baseline definition is the one at sea level. Just like we all agree that prospects are <130 PAs, <50 IP, or <45 non-September days on the active roster. In some since, those numbers are arbitrary. But they are significant in that we all agree that they are significant.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

not at all :-)

i just know that of the many guys i’ve watched at A-level for the Reds, that Torreyes was the most impressive (at such a young age) that i’ve seen.

even better than Craig Tatum!!! (ha ha, just kidding. that guy was terrible)

by ephram on Jan 4, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is gonna be really fun this year

After #1, there can be arguements made till the end of the list. But there’s plenty of guys whose place can be justified. The system is currently busting with 3B, a position that is tough to fill.

by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 10:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I still feel good about Hamilton.

It took him a while, but his second half stats were impressive.

Everyone’s upset about his K’s, but did anyone noticed he walked 50 times?

Any word on where he’ll start off next year? I think he could move up faster than we expect, like his closest comparable, Dee Gordon, who will be the Dodgers starting SS this year.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

Mentioning the walks is a good point, and they are really the only reason I still consider him a top 5 prospect

But the Ks are still concerning.

I’m very confident he’ll start in Bakersfield, but I’m also confident he’ll end the year in Pensacola. (new AA affiliate, almost forgot about them)

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking.

And I must take a moment to lament the loss of the only Reds affiliate within 500 miles of me.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 3, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd bet a fair amount that after this year the A+ team will be out of Cali.

Hopefully they can get into the Carolina league and not be stuck back in Florida.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.

by badenjr on Jan 3, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

any way to see a breakdown of his K's based on hitting lefty vs. hitting righty?

The whole switch hitting experiment with him is something I wish I could monitor easier.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

For some reason the splits on milb.com aren't current

But IIRC, he had pretty even numbers from both sides by the end of the year.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

except for…you know…Torreyes.

by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting thought...

I think we all agree that they represent the core of the post-Votto segment of the impending Reds dynasty. If the Votto Window is through 2013, what happens in 2014? Would there be a year of suck as the core of that team works its way through Louisville? Would the Reds instead push that core through three levels in two years so they are ready (to suck initially) in 2014 at the MLB level? Or would the Reds break up the team and fast-track the guys who show promise to be part of the 2014 MLB team?

Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.

by badenjr on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I have agreed in the past that they were intentionally keeping that team together

But you gotta think that some of them are going to separate themselves and be promoted more aggressively.

The core, as I see it, is Hamilton, Yorman, Duran, Vidal, Barnhart, and Corcino. I don’t see any way all of those guys are promoted at the same speed over the next 2-3 years.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like he's the in-between generation

He might end up on the roster in September. Big year for him – if he tanks in Louisville, it might make management much more willing to re-sign BP and block Hank Rod for another few years.

by ken on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, he ended the year in AA

A full 2 levels ahead of those guys.

He’s kind of in a barren “generation” of prospects where DiDi and Soto are the only other position players who might contribute. Sulbaran seems like the only pitcher from that group, unless you still like Donnie Joseph.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather trade him for LoMo

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Jan 3, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a no go.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He's Luon-go

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jan 3, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Even in Roto.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 3, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

This has gotten so low.

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by ZJiff30 on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't act like you don't know.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't go ask Votto!

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

ch-ch-ch-chain breaaaker!

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by nycredsfan on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It's c-c-c-combo breaker, ya big dummy

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 5, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention that the Reds have 3 picks in the top 50 of the next year's draft

Including #14 overall. I can see them creating “waves of prospect” by drafting alternating using your high picks alternating with high school and college talent. This is where the 40 man roster changes is a HUGE FUCKING WIN for small market teams in the latest CBA. I honestly think this provision is MORE IMPORTANT than any kind of spending cap as it allows it opens the prospect “wave window” 1-3 year more years for each player.

We are very blessed that our front office is as good at drafting as they are, especially in the 1st rounds. I saw Vitters mentioned above……remember he was drafted ahead of Wieters, Bumgarner, Heyward, Porcello, Mesoraco, etc.

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

2014 Reds

Bruce
Stubbs
Cozart
Mesoraco
Latos
I don’t know that they will suck.

by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cueto

Leake
Chapman
Heisey
Hanigan
A bunch of other relievers

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Dramatic effect...

I agree that they won’t suck. I also think that Votto’s performance will not be something they can replace with anything better than an average player. Losing 4-5 wins will be enough to take this time from in the hunt to average at best, in my opinion. They’re not going to spend to replace that production, and I don’t expect the young guys to perform at the level required to make up that difference. I say 75-80 wins in 2014.

Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.

by badenjr on Jan 3, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The 2nd half improvement was very encouraging because...

He began the year trying to learn how to switch-hit (something he had never done) so his average was lower as he tried to learn to hit from the left-hand side.

They wanted him to learn to switch-hit so he could hit RH pitching better, and be that much closer to 1st base to take advantage of his speed in getting on base more often on what would be infield groundouts.

Anyway, as the season progressed his average steadily improved.
So i’m assuming that either he started to pick up how to hit as a switch-hitter, or they scrapped the idea. I forget when i watched him in August if he was hitting from the left side.

by ephram on Jan 3, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He switch hit in 2010 as well

And he switch hit for all of 2011

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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah it was something the Reds had him do immediately

I think its reasonable to think he might still be working things out with that though, so maybe we can hope for some statistical improvements.

by pack_fan on Jan 3, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would they move him fast?

He’s not on the 40 man and we have Cozart just reaching the majors. It’s entirely possible that Cozart blows or gets hurts and we need reinforcements, but that’s not a reason to rush talent like that…….unless your the White Sox. Walt is going to take his time with Billy and let him develop, if he really is the fastest man in baseball there is no reason he doesn’t have the potential to develop into the best prospect in baseball. After all I remember when everyone but dougdirt was dogging Mesoraco as a best after his 1st 2 years, then he caught fire.

I think you can rush guys that are drafted out of college and are behind on defense. Hitters need plate decipline and pitchers need to have developing control of 3 pitches before moving forward

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Local (Baltimore) radio says the Orioles are going hard after Coco Crisp

Speculation is that they would then trade Adam Jones.

Oh, man.

by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That's just stupid, even for Baltimore

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jan 3, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Much stupider is turning down Atlanta's offer of

Jurrjens, Prado, and one of Teheran or Vizcaino for Jones.

If in fact that offer was made, they should have jumped at it.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 3, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt

Would you do that trade for Stubbs? Because I would give up red meat to make that trade.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Absofrigginlutely

It’s a little difficult to believe they actually offered that for Jones, but I’ve seen it a few different places.

That would probably be the best trade haul of the offseason, and for a guy who’s never going to be a star.

The Braves just don’t do stuff like that.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Adams Jones >>>>> Drew Stubds

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

no..

you don’t say..

in other news, the Sun will rise in the East tomorrow, water will continue to be wet, and Quatman’s will continue to suck something awful

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

I’d gladly accept Jones as our LF, easy, but when you put his numbers next to Stubbs’ numbers (and realize that Jones is under team control for one fewer season), does he really stand out as much?

Adam Jones

Drew Stubbs

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

'xactly

They are basically the same player, only Stubbs is actually under control for two more seasons.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I'd be all up for Jones

It was more the fact that the Orioles were going after Coco Crisp and trading Jones…that just seemed really stupid

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jan 3, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The Orioles aren't going to win squat anyway

if it could bring back major pieces for future teams, it would not be dumb to consider.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

But why pay the money and years for Crisp though?

And considering they tried (maybe they’re still trying) to make Jones a central piece of the team, why trade him now? Is he really at his peak?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jan 3, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Crisp would be some rental

so that they can trade Jones for a boatload of young talent (in theory). Yeah, i think Jones is definitely in his prime.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

moot point

Crisp signed with the A’s for lots of money

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Jan 3, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I really feel for the Orioles.

For them, Tampa or Toronto, their division is practically built for them to fail- every single year with no exceptions. Their only hope is to pull off a Wild Card, and even that is usually taken by the Sox or Yankees.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Thus an extra wild card team

now the Yankees and Red Sox NEVER have to miss the postseason again, and Tampa and Toronto have some glimmers of hope as well.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Tampa has done all right

At least lately.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I was simply making a point. Now, Tampa will continue to have a glimmer of hope even if they don’t draft 1st for a decade straight.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Bowden now says he'll resign with the A's

Expect an announcement that he’s signing with the Nats by Thursday.

by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Bowden just Tebow'd Bowden!

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

somehow, Bowden has Tebow'd ESPN

how the fuck are they still paying that guy?

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Given Tebow's late-season collapse, what does "Tebow'ing" even mean?

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

check that

It means outperforming your pythagorean record while locking your balls in a chastity belt.

That actually does sound pretty impossible.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's a lot like "fuck"

It means whatever you want it to mean. It can serve as any part of speech and be used in any circumstance.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

/Raven Riley'd

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 3, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh

by vottomatic on Jan 3, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

double sigh

by vottomatic on Jan 3, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

And in January 2008, everyone was sure Rudy Giuliani would be the Republican nominee for President

Him or Mike Huckabee or Fred Thompson. Because John McCain’s campaign was dead.

The point is, I don’t get too worked up over people predicting shit 2 years in the future. Joey Votto could also get married, have a kid, and decide he really wants to stay in Cincinnati.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it sounds nuts

but then again, it’s Joey Votto. He’s really good.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And dreamy

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jan 3, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's still a really, really bad tux.

Dreamy or not.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

turrible material

awful bow tie

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

But an excellent model.

Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?

by andromache on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, sure.

He is indeed a handsome guy. That’s what makes the suit all the more objectionable.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

objectionable is being kind

you, the RR resident expert on haberdashery needs to not hold back on that fashion faux pas

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

except

He’s dead wrong about the pant stripe. It’s not black tie without the pant stripe.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

That is the old school rule.

I just think it’s stupid and choose not to follow it. Sort of like the women in white shoes after Labor Day. It’s a stupid rule and now no one follows it because it’s stupid.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 4, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. Like waiting for marriage.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I follow the black tie pant stripe rule.

But I never wear white shoes before labor day.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I rarely wear shoes nor pants.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

jch'd

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

my NYE was Black Tie, and I had no pant stripe

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

So there's our path to keeping Votto

Female Reds’ fans should be trying really hard to get knocked up by Joey Votto in order to convince him to stay.

Women – get out there and get it done!!!

"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer

by rorschach1979 on Jan 3, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Cuz he's Canadian!

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 3, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

So you'd suspect...

but I’m adept at managing personal objectives to suit my own needs. Scott Boras/d.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Bravo.

"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer

by rorschach1979 on Jan 3, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

justin'd

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

And enterprising young men - Get to work on your Joey Votto costumes!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 3, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 3, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get your point.

Giuliani has been a delightful president. Here at the retirement home we have his portrait over all of our fireplaces.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It really could be RIDICULOUS

As in it could be the highest awarded contract in the history of baseball. Which would be fine by me because that means he played at an MVP level in the final 2 years of his contract.

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just curious...

Does Joey know what he wants to be doing three years from now yet?

Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.

by badenjr on Jan 3, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Better tell his gf, looks like she's going to be busy

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jan 3, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 3, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides the juvenile homophobia inherent to it,

it also grows out of speculation from when he was dealing with depression, which also isn’t a very funny topic.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually was kinda hoping he was gay and would come out

I think it would have been kinda cool if Cincinnati had the first openly gay active athlete in baseball (American major league male sports?).

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I apologize that I was 2 hours late

my 2012 RR resolution was to try and log in at least once daily and comment on everything and everything

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

oh goodie

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jan 4, 2012 8:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

whatevs

I’m already stocking up on wine for our Cincy roadtrip

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Handsome, intelligent, introspective white men

scare the hell out of other white folks. (And bigoted black and latino folks as well) Smart is something to be afraid of and ridicule….and cast a pall over. Stupid people polk their ignorant sticks…..gay comes out. Assholes.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Stupid people aren't mean unless they are ignorant and taught that ignorance is virtuous.

It’s why Republicans were folks that you could have a reasonable discussion with before “Fox News”.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

x

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i was just looking for an excuse to use that picture

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: hoping someone is gay as a compliment

I hope Yossi is gay because he could be the first openly gay RRer communist. Think about all the closeted RRer communist gays that now have someone to relate to. This could be great for the RR community and great for the communist gay community.

See how ridiculous that sounds when you change the scope and person. His sex life is his own damn business. Even if he is gay, if asked he will likely pull an Anderson Cooper on your ass or just punch you in the face.

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 4, 2012 1:23 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I usually describe myself as a Joey Votto type.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

so you're gay?

#topical

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jan 4, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

"he will likely pull an Anderson Cooper on your ass"

“See how ridiculous that sounds?”

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well done sir

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 4, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see it as homophobic at all

If anything, it’s the opposite.

Whether it’s funny or in good taste is a whole ’nother question, of course.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's fair to insinuate that I'm homophobic from that comment.

I happen to think Votto is gay and I was playfully scoffing at the thought of him having a girlfriend. I agree with Justin that I think it’d be pretty awesome to have Votto “come out”.

Further, linking his sexual orientation to his depression is a bit far-fetched.

by GrooveLeg on Jan 3, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's far fetched to link the depression issue to the gay thing.

That’s more my issue, in general, rather than the homophobia aspect. This whole thing started when he was on the DL in 2009 and the rampant speculation that followed.

If it didn’t come from there, then where did it start?

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Madville brought it up at the time.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I will say Madville's picture of

“Joey’s friend from College Hill” when someone was posting his girlfriend’s Twitter pictures made me laugh out loud… So I guess I’m a hypocrite.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a violation of RR rule 16.1a:

Madville shall not be used as a reference nor expert witness on anything, lest you completely lose your credibility on the issue.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said I thought it was a fact because Madville said it

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You cited him. You can scroll up and go read it again if you want.

Also, take a joke.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Me, too.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

4 out of 5 depressed people have homosexual thoughts

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

well that isn't very gay of them.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You wish!

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

This is PURE. FUCKING. GOLD.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, really solid!

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Not far-fetched at all, that is when those rumors started.

It was a common claim on message boards, that Votto was struggling with depression or other personal issues because he was struggling with his sexuality. And those comments weren’t made in a nice way.

I’m not insinuating that you are homophobic, I’m saying straight out that it is homophobic to make a comment like “haha ‘gf’” in a way that reads very much like one kid calling another kid “gay” in a pejorative way. It would certainly be awesome if an athlete could be open about his sexuality in this world, but that is that athlete’s decision (I say “his” because there are lots of female, lesbian athletes who are open about it). And even if you didn’t mean to come across as snickering at the possibility that Votto is gay, that is exactly how it came across. There is nothing wrong with being gay, but “gay” or “homo” or other jokes about sexuality are frequently used negatively. In that case, they are homophobic in the sense that that is the best word we have to describe antipathy based on sexuality. I don’t think you are homophobic, I don’t know you. I’m sure you are a nice person and well meaning. But that came across as a negative comment, and this line of jokes consistently comes across as not celebrating openness about sexuality, but rather using sexuality as an insult.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

wow
this line of jokes consistently comes across as not celebrating openness about sexuality, but rather using sexuality as an insult.

I could not disagree more. This particular line of jokes, at least here at RR, comes from people who love Votto and would have no problem with him being gay. I see it as reclaiming “gay” from its use as a pejorative.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe not here

but the way this rumor started was by people in Cincinnati doing exactly what CA said.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i am sure cincinnati.com had some gems

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Never, ever read the comments on a newspaper web site

Unless you want to lose all faith in humanity

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

some how it always denigrates to some minority group wanting to take their hard earned money through trickery.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, not a credible source.

And I don’t disagree.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really surprised that you equate a snickering joke about someone being gay to a celebration of sexual equality.

I don’t at all doubt that the community here is open minded, that is abundantly clear. But that is absolutely not the root or the use of those jokes, and I don’t think they read as particularly generous wherever they show up. How does the comment in question reclaim the word “gay” and restore it’s function as a neutral description of sexuality?

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

I think Madville was the root of the jokes here. He posted something about Joey being gay, and people just ran with it.

I see it as reclaiming “gay” because Joey is awesome and if he’s gay, it’s okay. Just like if he likes the NBA, then I must be wrong about it. :-)

It would be different if they were calling less good players like Janish gay. (Enough with the limp weak wrist jokes!) But Joey? I see not one atom of derision in it. Quite the opposite.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I know plenty of people that don't read RR that make

Votto jokes, and they aren’t very warm and fuzzy. “Votto is gay” is most definitely a part of the Cincinnati zeitgeist.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

too bad

But we make jokes about Votto doing people’s driveways, and that didn’t have a particularly warm and fuzzy origin, either. People very clearly understand that we’re not buying into such stereotypes by making the jokes – quite the opposite.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, the point isn't that people are buying into the stereotypes here,

the point is that the jokes are also just not funny any more, because they come across as mean, or because they are trite, or because they are stale. I get equally annoyed with LoMo’s stupid #nohomojustlomo hashtag. It’s lazy, Jay Leno-style humor.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe so

But this is RR. Stale jokes are the reason for our existence.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You are not a comedy critic.

And the internet is a bad place to try to be one.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yabbut

Italian immigrants aren’t having hate crimes perpetrated against them.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

/pours one out for Sacco

/pours another one out for Venzetti

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 4, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right

Whether it’s true or not, everyone in town has that friend or acquaintance that has or heard some kind of evidence to back up the “Votto is gay” rumor. Some people choose to believe it more than others (probably depending on the reliability of the source), and that’s all I’ll say.

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Being in Los Angeles, I have never heard this rumor.

The closest I heard of is RR guys joking that they were “Gay for Jay” or that Votto could violate them anally if that’s what it took to retain his services in Cincinnati.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Gay jokes are common for the homoerratic

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I saw a guy on campus wearing that t-shirt

I really wonder how somebody wakes up in the morning and thinks that is the message I want to project to the world.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a sense of humor, and appreciate the generous spirit of this place.

But I think the jokes are problematic whether or not people love Joey Votto. Here’s why:
1. Joey Votto has a girlfriend and is by all available evidence a straight man.
2. Joey Votto’s sexuality has been called into question in the past as a means of either questioning his manhood or the veracity of his mental health issues.
3. While this community may make those jokes openmindedly, they live on the internet where most such jokes are made out of meanness.

Calling Votto gay amounts to calling him a liar, not to mention the deep associations that come with calling out some one’s sexuality as other than he or she claims.

I’ll make a non-monetary bet with you: if Votto goes into free agency, you will start to hear a lot of those rumors bandied about maliciously on Reds message boards. Let’s reclaim words like “gay” in a way that doesn’t involve casting aspersions on our favorite athletes.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather

not consider “gay” an aspersion at all.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not up to you to decide.

In a world where meaning is socially constructed, “gay” has positive as well as negative uses. And even if we wish that were not so, it is no less so. A kid can’t call another kid “gay” on a playground and then turn around and say they meant it as a compliment. That’s b.s.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

but

we do create our own little world here at RR. And IMO, there have been far more offensive memes in the history of RR. At least as would be judged by a random passing through.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Our "world" here has a lot of latitude, and that's great.

This all started not because I or anyone else was offended, but because I thought the joke was past its prime, and I still do. And in part I think it is past its prime because it is juvenile and mean in a way that most of our jokes are not. There are lots of funny things to say, to me this isn’t one of them, and I apparently am not alone in thinking that.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on, Mads

Not a bad joke, but a bad time for the joke.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You must think that comment as a double entendre...

not.
Relax
Live a little
Life is brief
Have a beer
Christ on a Hubcap
My nephew is gay
There are times when I tell him to fucking Blow me.
He laughs.
Try it…it doesn’t hurt…everything and anything is fair game midst the enduring absurdity called Dustbrainfuckpants.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 3, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Mads for Head Mod!

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

He'd angrily ban himself within minutes.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 5, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh Petey !!!

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 6, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, and you know what else is a part of our little world at RR? Suggesting that some of our least favorite players are gay.

So I mean, whatever on the “Joey’s gay” joke, but I don’t think we have a case that we’re super special and we get to make jokes like that because we’re so accepting.

Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?

by andromache on Jan 3, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I hadn't noticed

Must be people whose comments I don’t read.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, now I'm worried that I just imagined it.

It’s not ever outright, but I thought I vaguely remembered enough references to cardinals sucking cock, pitching/catching innuendos, etc. It’s pretty hard to sort through all the other references on RR to cocksucking, pitching, and catching though, so for now, I’ll retract the statement. I kind of hate this argument anyway.

Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?

by andromache on Jan 4, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Arroyo

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

Just seems like a funny place to draw the line. Most people probably didn’t even get what Grooveleg was implying. But the far more blatant “foot fairies” and the cf word (not center fielder) go on and on and on….

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a valid point.

I’m not saying references to Votto being gay should be deleted or that it offends me, but just that it’s tired, and more importantly that it stems from the whole depression issue from 2009.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

At first I thought you were referring to "chicken fucker"

and was not sure whether RR was ready to go down that path of acceptance.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 4, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Mads

confirmed evil genius

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes go ahead a blame me.

I happen to like gay people and am looking forward to the day when someone other than Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King come out.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Bobby was straight...am I wrong?

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

seems reasonable to me

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Dammit, Bobby

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jan 4, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope Bobby is a boy liker

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I did a documentary about tennis, and he was great in it.

My gaydar did not go off, but he was old and dying. It was his last time on camera.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

dang, i'm agreeing with bubbafan & justin!

also, grooveleg is a great dude & a great poster here. sadly, he doesn’t post as much as he used to. his comment was innocent & he wasn’t trying to haze gay people. i would rather not attack him when he comes around & drive him away further.

by 'tHan on Jan 4, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

this

+1

Etc.

If you think Grooveleg’s jokes suck, fine, but don’t call him homophobic. He’s not. Repetitive joke that has been run into the ground, maybe, like “+1” “isn’t it?” and all the rest, but not meant in a hateful or bigoted way at all.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, there weren't any personal attacks on him

CA offered a fairly measured critique of the joke, not the person.

by ken on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

shut up, you racist!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I never once called him homophobic, I called the comment homophobic.

I actually said explicitly that I am sure he is a nice guy and didn’t mean any harm, and my beef is with that line of commentary, not the poster.

You can’t just wave a wand and make something innocuous. You can’t equate jokes about Votto’s sexuality, in jest or not, and “+1,” “rec’d because…,” etc. You just can’t. Sure, this is its own little public sphere but we still live in the real world.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 4, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

i've met him, total homophobe.

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

well done

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I am really glad this went green

but this should be a 5+ rec comment.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess it's time for you to make a couple of fake accounts.

Rather than chiding us for not finding it as funny as you.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that's certainly an interesting position to take

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Leave Adam Dunn out of this

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

you stood on the moral high ground

you’re going to need to put more thought into your posts from now on.

i’m ok with all of it

by 'tHan on Jan 4, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

touche.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It's true, I lay my saber down at your feet.

So you may have the privilege of making insensitive comments and personal attacks when there is a viewpoint you don’t agree with. Winners, all of us.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 4, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy shit, there are hypocrites on the internet?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently there are some right here on RR

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 4, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I refuse to believe it until I see it on MLBTR

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

*

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 4, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He explained it but I didn't agree with him.

Still don’t. But I’m not referring to him in any of my remarks as he has not even commented on this thread.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 4, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

not me

I didn’t think the way Justin used the n-word was out of line.

I mean, I can totally understand it if they just don’t want that word used here. But I don’t think it’s worse than many other words that pass without a second thought here. And I said as much in the other thread.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I wasn't referring to you either.

And you pretty much summed up my very thoughts in four sentences. My biggest problem with the comments on the n-word/c-word and gay slur threads is it seems like they are similar enough issues that their should be more congruency in people’s thought on all three issues. But instead some people just keep insisting the issues are not at all alike. I don’t get that.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 4, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

do not

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec monger!

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, this expresses my frustration very well.

But I’ve explained my point, and I certainly don’t mean to alienate anyone here. This is the major discursive shortcoming of our time and will not be resolved for a long while. Heck, athletes use the F-word daily to trash talk.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 4, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Francis?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

filth

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Franklin

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Fogg?

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

flagged!

Common, we gotta draw the line somewhere!

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

that's how I've always seen it as well,

it goes along with our whole man-love for him. And considering that we actually have female posters who are clear about their attraction towards Votto, Heisey, et al its just a way for us dudes to get in on the game.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 4, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

"Homophobic" has to be one of the most often misused words in the English language.

A phobia is a fear. Homophobia is when people are actually afraid to be around homosexual people- “Don’t drop the soap” is a homophobic idea. There isn’t a word for prejudice against gay people.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

"homophobia" has come to have a far broader definition than that

I think it originally referred to the idea that you hate gay people because you fear the gay tendencies within yourself. But now it refers to general prejudice.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

wrong

phobia can also mean antipathy

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Homophonic ...lets get it right people!

All GLBT’s are afraid of Phoenicians

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 3, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course depression isn't funny, why do you think they call it depression

/BurrowOwl’d

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't even pick up on that.

I thought he was making fun of him for using the abbreviation “gf.”

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I'm going to want Vidal in my top-5

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

thats probably higher than I would have him

very interested to see how he performs this year

by pack_fan on Jan 3, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

While the motto, "If you don't look good, we don't look good"

seems to make practical sense, this particular doo, is a failure. Now, of course, it wouldn’t stop me from making “the sex” but it’s still not so good.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd be surprised, they tend to adapt

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of gay

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

ha

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

noooooooooooooo

Cordero and Reds still talking

"We’re still talking with [Cincinnati] and a couple of other clubs," Cordero’s agent, Bean Stringfellow, said on Tuesday. "We’re making progress on a lot of fronts. Multi-year contracts are definitely involved.

"The Reds are involved and are still interested in bringing him back. I am talking with them on a regular basis."

I hope this is just posturing, and teh Fay is right, and the Reds have not offered a multiyear deal.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

A one-year deal for Coco wouldn't be all that bad.

Multiple years, losing a pick, probably coughing up too much money and putting up with the near heart attacks in every save situation? No thanks.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I agree.

One year is manageable. Anything else is just plain wrong. Rosenthal had a tweet earlier that some execs were looking at Harden as an option in the pen. I’m pretty sure I heard the idea tossed around hear first, but I don’t remember who said it. ’creds maybe?

by vottomatic on Jan 3, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

I would looooooove Harden in the ’pen.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He was awesome in fantasy baseball as a rookie

BTW – who’s the commissioner in the Yahoo! Baseball leagues around here? I have yet to play in one

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually about to bring this up.

I’ve never played fantasy baseball, and I’d really like to give it a go. Maybe I’ll work up a fanpost.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't played in 3 years

Or since I had kids. The summer my son was born I abandoned all my public teams. That being said, if I were to motivated by bragging rights I would become a dominant force.

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

fanpost is up

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

That league is rocktastic

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 3, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah it's great

You in there too KC?

by pack_fan on Jan 4, 2012 1:18 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Blocking Janish / 1/2-Game Lead

I didn’t know you were in it!

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 4, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

damn man, same here

I’m doubledose,cant wait for that league to get back going.

by pack_fan on Jan 5, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Stinking awesome league.

Although I’m screwed, as I sold my future for a chance at immortality.

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

sucker

there were two other guys who REALLY wanted me to do that too.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 7, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

My feelings exactly

I’m actually pretty bullish on a one year deal for Coco. Multiple years is wrong-headed, though.

by Brendanukkah on Jan 3, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

wait

Coco’s agent’s name is Bean Stringfellow?!?

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Buddy Holly'd

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Walt

says he’s not offering multiple years.

Stringfellow declined to detail the specific numbers being bandied about with the Reds in negotiations. But general manager Walt Jocketty made it clear he wasn’t one of the clubs looking to offer multiple years.


“We’re looking at one year or one year with an option,” Jocketty said. “That’s all it could be, right now — one year guaranteed.”

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by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

#Goodlord, Billy Beane

Coco Crisp signs with the As.

6 mil this year, 7 next, and a 7.5 mil option in 2014 with a mil buyout. So he’s guaranteed 14 mil over 2 yrs.

That is one dumb contract.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, it's dumb

but it’s not terrible. The A’s need outfielders somethin’ fierce, and Coco is a league-average OF. It’s not going to hamstring them, but they aren’t going to find much better for much cheaper.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And the A's are really, really poor.

Like, they’d be jealous of the Reds’ huge payroll.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

and this year they've already traded/not resigned

5 of they’re best players. He’s got to be the highest paid person on the team doesn’t he? Maybe Suzuki has him beat?

by vottomatic on Jan 3, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And it would be imprudent (to say the least) for the Reds to give someone like Crisp a contract like that.

It’s even worse for the A’s.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

It would be bad for the Reds because they already employ three outfielders who are as good or better than him. It’s not so bad for the A’s because they don’t have any outfielders.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

eh, still an overpay.

That’s paying him for about 3 WAR this year and about 3.5 WAR next year, using the old rule of 1 WAR=$2 million. It’s highly unlikely that he produces that, or even anything very close.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Jan 3, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone have any tips or tricks on converting AAC music files (iTunes default)

to MP3 format? There is a program available that has a free one month trial that I was thinking of downloading, but I was interested if anyone else has an opinion on the subject.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that's the same thing I'ved used in the past

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 3, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

it served its purpose and the price was right, so I guess so :)

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 3, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

are you using iTunes?

I think you can right click on any song and select “create MP3 version” and it will no longer be protected. make sure your import settings in the general preferences are set to the quality of MP3 you want (like 320).

by GrooveLeg on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

I’ve seen that, but i want to do it on a large scale. I have the opportunity to do some MP3J’ing and the DJ software won’t recognize AAC or MP4 files.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah? a fellow DJ!

what do you use? i use Traktor and it recognizes pretty much everything except video (no support).

by GrooveLeg on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I have always done vinyl only, but I have someone wanting me to play

short sets at a bar and it’s not worth lugging around turntables for 2 hours of work. I just downloaded DJ Pro Mixer NB because it seems to be the only software that works on netbooks.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 4, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

uh oh, your purity is in question... (kidding)

nice work. never heard of that software. what kind of bar and music?

by GrooveLeg on Jan 4, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a bar in OTR called Japp's that specializes in old timey drinks

They are trying out doing parties every Friday night in an adjacent building and the manager is a friend of mine and asked me if I would be interested. I usually play old soul and funk stuff on 45 for the most part.

Are you in Cincy?

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 4, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

nice!

I hereby demand that you play this every single party.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 4, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice..I'll have to come check you out.

I live in Dayton but my wife and I will be moving down to Cincy when we find a house. I have made a few contacts at some bars in Mt. Lookout and Mt. Adams—hopefully it leads to some gigs around there.

I listen to all music but I have become a top 40 DJ. I’m ok with it, but my heart is in dance music—house, techno, some dubstep. I like to party.

by GrooveLeg on Jan 4, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted for Stephenson

I guess I don’t really think of Messaraco, or Cozart as prospects anymore (silly semantics I know).

I just really fucking love young high upside pitchers, so it was totally biased. It will be awesome when he makes it to the big leagues in 2014 and still isn’t a successful pitcher in 2018.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

really i just voted for him, because 1 other person did

and I am really excited about what he may do. It was an irrational vote, but I love watching young pitchers go through the system.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

There's

supposed to be a great meteor shower tonight.

The Quads. Short but very intense. And the skies are supposed be clear across most of the country.

Unfortunately, the time is 3am to 5am. And the temperature will be about zero tonight. I don’t think I’ll be getting out of bed unless the house is on fire.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

Rick Santorum?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

I kinda hope he wins

I really want him to get attention.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Huckabee won Iowa in 2008

Santorum is the closest thing to Huckabee in this field, and he is not doing anywhere near as well

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Huckabee was also the not McCain choice in 2008.

It is weird that not a single candidate has been able to consolidate the not Romney vote in 2012.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Huckabee can blow me

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 3, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I really just want him to get hard news coverage for two weeks

and for Americans to really get to know who he is, and realize there is a problem with a party that no matter how ever short, even considers nominating somebody like Santorum.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't practice Santeria.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

prescient

those eight black people were the difference!

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you asking for the definition?

santorum (san-TOR-um) n.
1. The frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter
that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.

when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?

by DannyGraves on Jan 3, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright

Is anyone else having trouble with Z-ing threads? These has been happening alot and it doesn’t let me Z until someone posts a comment. WTF SB?

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

mine is fine

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i use firefox if that matters.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

suddenly

C-ing isn’t working for me in this thread. It was until a few minutes ago.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

just use the word, BubbaFan

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You and Jonny Gomes

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

great job here

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to share this

I discovered Puddin’ today. It is described as a “single panel, live action cartoon.” Basically, each episode (they run from 25 seconds to a minute or so) involve an office drone ranting in the break room while his coworker tries to eat his pudding.

The link goes to a pretty good example of the genre. The rants are just insane – if you are easily offended, you might want to avoid it (but then you probably would not be here), but good lord, it can be funny when it hits. There is a new episode each day Mon-Fri

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

It would appear that Les Miles let Brady Hoke borrow the horseshoe that lives up his ass

Mighty nice of him, being a Michigan man and all. UM up 17-6 in a game where they have frankly gotten their butts kicked, but have caught every lucky break, and then some.

I am enjoying it greatly.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

Changing the subject...

I think I have developed an allergy to hops. In the last few months when I drink a couple IPA’s I start getting hot flashes like a menopausal lady. No noticeable effects when I drink something else. This is a very disconcerting development for me.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

I've heard of this before

It’s actually caused by the IPAs being so full of awful. I think if you stopped drinking them, they would stop making you sick.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 4, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Re: Joey Votto is gay

Google search hits:
Joey Votto is gay – 135,00
Tom Brady is gay – 3.74 million
Ryan Braun is gay – 589,000
Cole Hamels is gay – 607,000
Nomar Garciaparra is gay – 438,000 (BTW he’s married to Mia Hamm)

I could go on but this entire conversation is ridiculous. Any time a hot chick says “Professional Athlete X is hot” the single guy to her immediate right will say “He’s a gay.”

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

It's even in People!

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

x

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

this might actually be progress of a sort

Not that long ago, there would be blanket denial that a pro athlete could be gay, especially a good player on your team.

Also, I’m bemused to find that my photos from the BBWAA dinner last year are prominently featured when I GIS joey votto is gay. Probably because of the George Clooney “discussion” that arose in the comments. (I realize I’m in the Google bubble, and probably get more RR results from Google than the average person.)

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by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 6:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the reason that none of the athletes bother to deny it is because denying it

would just tend to stir up the rumors more. Also, to my knowledge, none of those athletes have been asked out right, “Are you gay?” If they were ever asked that outright, I’m sure they would deny it (or maybe confirm it if it were true). Denying internet rumors is like chasing your own tail. I mean why bother with internet trolls who, claiming to have reliable sources (oh really?), spend their time tee-heeing over who may be gay.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Skip Bayless' head would actually spin around with steam coming out of it.

I am DYING to see how ESPN covers the first out superstar athlete.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 4, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll be honest

Unless it’s me, I don’t care who someone else is fucking.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

what kind of sports journalist would ask an athlete if he is gay?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about the athletes

I’m talking about the fans.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, ok

but the feel I get from the fans who post this stuff (I’m not referring to anyone here on RR) is snicker, snicker so-and-so is gay. It doesn’t feel like a positive step forward in acceptance to me.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 4, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder which city the first openly gay major league male athlete will play for.

Would an athlete be more likely to hide his sexual orientation if he plays in the south or other more conservative cities like Cincinnati, then if he played on the costs or gay friendly cities like Chicago or Minneapolis?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares?

I look forward to the day when everyone will be like JCH and not care who is fucking who because really, unless it’s me, it’s not that interesting to me.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 4, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course I meant that ironically

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 5, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

it is interesting to me

because I want to see how people will react.

You, and I, and JCH, and most the people on this board know that how two or more consenting adults choose to have sex with each other really doesn’t matter. But Rick Santorum was 4 votes away from winning Iowa yesterday.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you suggesting that

a great many Americans are ignorant moralizers with a penchant for purposeful ignorance and hypocritical tendencies? Hell you say!

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 4, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

although sometimes

How two people choose to have sex is really really funny.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If there was ever a job for BK, damn....

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

hahaha

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 4, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If it happens in San Francisco, it could increase attendance.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of gay

It seems unfair that Asperger’s is pronounced liked “Ass Burgers”.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

south park'd

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 4, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I always pronounce it as "au-spur-gers" but I have heard it both ways.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 4, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

This needs to be spread all over.
A martini is not a martini without an olive.
That, at least, is the thinking of a true connoisseur.
And to Siouxland residents, many of whom consider themselves connoisseurs of fine food, a city is not a city without an Olive Garden. So as of Monday, Sioux City becomes a real city.

Wow. I would offer that Olive Garden is the worst chain restaurant in the history of everything.

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Why are you reading five year old articles about shitty restaurants?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

oh. twitter confused me.

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

still. come on.

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?

by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

A true connoisseur, indeed

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

That is ... so beautiful.

Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?

by andromache on Jan 4, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

it’s not.

It’s a high school football game.

The cart was unmanned in the end zone and just took off on its own, knocking over the winning coach while he was being interviewed.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 4, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I love how the guy starts steering the cart after being run over by it

That is a man who is cool under pressure.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 4, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

and he was smart enough to tuck and roll when the other guy got on.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish I could quit him.

Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 5, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Few can...Few can...

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 5, 2012 3:09 AM EST reply actions  

god bless 3 AM reply fails.

Mads, you’re the best.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 5, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Long time friend of D#2...nice soccer player, talented musically and atristically. Graduated from Antioch with my daughter.

She is an alternate lifestyle person who lives in Oregon and is an environmental activist. Rarely do we get to see her ‘dressed up’…very smart, very cute and too young for you!!! Her name is: Twilight-Burns Fire

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 7, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

too young for me?

clearly you don’t follow me on Twitter, Mads

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 8, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

And where is The Batman? He's at home washing his tights!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

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