2012 Community Prospect Rankings: Votto Window™ Prospect Wasteland Edition
The overly melodramatic title notwithstanding, this year's prospect rankings has a bit of a different feel. In years past we discussed and celebrated the gradual ascendance of the Reds farm system into one of the best in baseball. But after years of gathering prospects, graduating a few to the major league club, and generally hoarding good young players, Walt Jocketty has (finally) cashed in on the talent surplus. The unfortunate side effect of this exciting offseason is a significantly depleted system, but the cupboard is far from bare. The system still has plenty of exciting players from rookie ball up to AAA. It's your job to decide who is the best.
For those of you unfamiliar, the Community Prospect Rankings is your chance to vote on who you think are the top prospects in the Reds system. We'll start today with the #1 prospect, and a pool of 6 players. We'll add players to the pool every couple of days. Want to vote for a guy who isn't yet on the list? Make your voice heard in the comments!
After the jump find stats for all of the players in the first tier, as well as each player's basic strengths and weaknesses. We've also listed the player's Baseball America ranking, if applicable. Once John Sickels releases his rankings in a few days, we'll include those as well.
This first vote should be a no-brainer, but y'all have had some crazy ideas before, so who knows. Happy voting!
Daniel Corcino, RHP, 21, BA-#4--(Dayton) 3.42 ERA, 139.1 IP, 156 K, 34 BB, 1.163 WHIP
Pros: Excellent fastball-slider combo, elite strikeout numbers, and excellent control, especially for a young pitcher
Cons: Slightly undersized (5'11", 165), needs to prove durability by throwing over 150 innings
Zack Cozart, SS, 26, BA-#3--(Louisville) .310/.357/.467/.825, 7 HR, 32 RBI
(Cincinnati) .324/.324/.486/.811, 2 HR, 3 RBI
Pros: Polished, above average defense at SS. Above average power for the position. Good contact skills.
Cons: Below average plate discipline and walk rate. Already 26, has he peaked?
Billy Hamilton, SS/2B, 21, BA-#2--(Dayton) .278/.340/.360/.700, 3 HR, 50 RBI, 103 SB
Pros: Speed. Switch hitter. Speed. Excellent middle infield range. Speed--Many think he's the fastest player in baseball
Cons: Almost zero power, strikes out too much for a guy with no power, and needs refinement defensively.
Devin Mesoraco, C, 23, BA-#1--(Louisville) .289/.371/.484/.855, 15 HR, 71 RBI
(Cincinnati) .180/.226/.360/.586, 2 HR, 6 RBI
Pros: Plus power potential, advanced plate approach, much improved defense, strong arm
Cons: Simply needs to prove himself: Can he call a good game, play solid defense, AND hit MLB pitching?
Yorman Rodriguez, OF, 19, BA-UR--(Dayton) .254/.318/.393/.711, 7 HR, 40 RBI
Pros: Tool shed--Chance for above average power, speed, contact skills, and defense.
Cons: Durability--has only played 122 games total the last 2 seasons. Very raw both at the plate and in the field. Very aggressive plate approach.
Robert Stephenson, RHP, 18, BA-#5--No Professional Stats
Pros: Good size, outstanding velocity (has hit 97), good control, and a potential plus curveball. Supposedly has a very good makeup.
Cons: As a high school pitcher with no pro experience, he's about as risky of a prospect as there is. Can he avoid injury, develop his secondary pitches, and consistently get professional hitters out?
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No question on #1
- is an interesting choice. Outside of Cozart, it’s all high ceiling / low floor guys. I’d imagine Hamilton will end up running away with it, though my gut says he’s got too many holes to fill to ever make it.
I'm with ya'
Pretty sure he’ll win the vote, but I wouldn’t put him that high. Heck, there’s two guys who aren’t even options yet that I would put ahead of him. (This is not a knock on the available options. For the purposes of this exercise, these are the correct choices.)
I have irrational and unfounded prospect lust for Henry Rodriguez, and the numbers that Sulbaran put up last year in that ridiculous environment have made me a re-believer.
by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 10:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for sharing those.
Beyond the first 5-6 players, I think it gets very tricky and subjective who to include next. And we prefer not to have a pool of 10-15 players just because it gets overwhelming.
Neftali Soto, DiDi, and Todd Frazier have to be in the next group, but beyond that we are open to suggestions, so these are good options.
Honestly, this year is truly an odd list. Beyond the guys in today’s list, it gets really really subjective. (even more so than usual) HRod, Lotzkar, Cisco, LaMarre, and Sulbaran all have legit claims to being up there. But so do Duran, Vidal, and some others.
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Sulbaran made great strides last year.
Pitching the way he did in the California League was impressive. Sometimes as fans we give up too early, or at least get impatient, with high school draftees and international signings. Mesoraco and Sulbaran could be guys who provide a nice payoff despite slow starts to their careers.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 3, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I've been like Mitt Romney on Sulbaran
It’s easy to get caught up. The first time I thought he was gonna be great, it was based entirely on the fact that he struck out Pudge in an exhibition game. That’s some sound-ass reasoning.
by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My main drawback with Sulbaran was and is his health.
His 2011 numbers are very encouraging, but I want to see him get through a full 2012 season before I get too excited.
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Hasn't he, once or twice, missed time due to blisters?
Doesn’t seem like the kind of thing we need to keep an eye on moving forward.
by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He has, but
I also feel like he had something more significant in 2010, like a shoulder problem. I could be wrong.
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130-140 IP last season was about right
he was 21 and pitched less than 90 in 2010. anymore IP and we’d be yelling at his mgr/pitch coach for abusing his arm.
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Right. We were talking about 2010.
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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wasnt arguing with ya
i started following JC a couple years ago when i got BK a signed JC ball from Fifth Third Field. I can’t recall what happened, exactly, in 2010.
off to the googles!
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July 21 2010
INJURY REPORT: Pitcher J.C. Sulbaran was placed on the seven-day disabled list with a contusion to his right (pitching) hand. Sulbaran had trouble gripping the ball during a 13-5 loss to Burlington on Sunday in which he gave up eight runs in 3 1/3 innings, threw two wild pitches and committed three throwing errors. .
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May 5 2010
Today, Dayton’s J.C. Sulbaran has been put on the disabled list with a blister on his right middle finge
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that's all the DL info i can find on the 2010 season for JC
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So no shoulder stuff?
That’s good.
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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Had he maybe gotten a blister on his little finger, or maybe gotten a blister on his thumb
We would have been in dire straits.
I want my
I want my
I want my my JC
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Get yer chicks for free.
That ain’t workin’.
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by jch24 on Jan 3, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
the XKCD "shift the dash one word to the right" works well here.
It was some sound ass-reasoning.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Went with the former second best Catching prospect in the Reds' organization.
It’s gotta suck for you and BK this year…there’s so much turnover at the top, you guys can’t even cut and paste ANYTHING!
Is it really possible that Michelangelo can post a .700ish OPS season and actually move up to 2nd in the rankings? I just might vote for him next. I still believe!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 9:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I already miss Grandal
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
- R Torreyes
- N Soto
- Y Rodriguez
Oh, frell…we traded away the #1 guy this winter for a 1-year rental of a middle reliever.
Well heck, the #2 guy isn’t even listed on the poll.
I guess i’ll go with Yorman on the voting.
Ronald Torreyes was probably not a top 10 prospect in this system.
But whatever, he’s a Cub now.
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Seriously
Sappelt and RoTo are definitely top 10 guys in that system. Maybe top 5. I can’t remember who they have, but it ain’t much.
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RoTo was a definite top 10 in the Reds system
Sappelt is nothing more than Cecil Espy… if that
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BA would've had him at 10 after the Latos trade if he weren't traded
so that means they had him 13 before the trade
ill be interested to see where Baseball Prospectus has him and their comments
i dont follow BA nearly as much.
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You should. BP's lists are historically less predictive of MLB success
At least recently that’s been true.
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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Laugh it up, chucklehead
I meant in the last 10 years or so. How long have these people been doing these reports?
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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you should have been a politician
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
so
i can’t think of anyone who was our 13th best prospect that regret trading for a valuable MLB piece.
Odds are pretty high that RoTo never does shit in the MLB.
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Dave, I don't often agree with you but
this is one of those times.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
those odds are currently 2-9
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
this is an easy comment to say, now
the dude played in A ball and it will be 2+ yrs before he makes his MLB debut….which should occur 3-4 yrs before Cozart’s debut occured (and we all love Zach).
RoTo can play, no doubt.
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Vitters is by some miracle still pretty young
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Don't blame you
seems like he should be 27 by now. He musta been drafted and assigned like Juan Duran or something to still be so young.
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he's like Cherokee Parks
who, i believe, played 11 seasons at Duke
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And all of them
drowning in Christian Laettner afterbirth.
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by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
now I know what it feels like to laugh and dry heave at the same time
thanks Pops
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He's also not very good
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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he's probably as good as END, for example
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He's basically END without all the power.
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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Except he plays better defense and walks more
and still has some power…
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Some of those who are weak of mind think we should build this team around Joey Votto.
But only the wise knew that the Reds were always Torreyes’s team.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Future Canadian PM
Would be future POTUS if not for Luke Scott
by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Torreyes still?

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by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
no picture of someone fucking a chicken?
so un-RR-like..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
fine

/Justin’d
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by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
where's my car?
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by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
He used to mow Joey Votto's lawn.
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What makes any of those three better prospects than Devin?
You didn’t really explain it.
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by BK on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
once a guy reaches the majors, i don't consider them a "prospect" any more
otherwise i’d include Juan Francisco & Mesoraco
He's got a solid point.
I guess, for me, once they reach the stage where they enter a season as the default starter at a position, they’re not really a prospect anymore.
I still voted for Devin, though, because I voted before I had my coffee and turned my brain on.
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Please tell me you're not in Iowa
by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
ha
No. In frozen Kentucky for 10 days and counting.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
We go by rookie status.
As in, if a player still qualifies as a rookie, he still qualifies as a prospect. That’s what Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, Sickels, etc. all do too.
The cutoff is 130 MLB PAs for hitters, 50 IP for pitchers, OR 45 days on the active roster, not counting September 40-man expanded roster time.
Under those guidelines, Meso still counts (so would’ve Yonder), but Francisco does not.
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yeah, i know my definition isn't the official one
But from my perspective, Devin played last year and is being treated as the starter this year…..so that’s why i don’t see him as a “prospect” anymore.
Also, I’m looking at prospects as the guys who have the highest ceilings and have shown some ability to reach those ceilings already….not guys who are the most “major league ready”.
So a guy like Frazier, who is 25 already, and still hasn’t cracked the major league lineup, and only projects as an infield version of Heisey (utility guy), doesn’t really excite me as a “prospect”, even though he is closer to Cincy than a guy like Soto or Torreyes.
That's fair, but you are seriously overestimating Torreyes' ceiling.
And probably Soto’s too. And while Yorman has a super high ceiling, he’s done very little to show that he’ll reach it. His numbers have not been very good yet. He’s got a lot of ability, but it’s all promise and projection at this point.
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I’ve been a Soto fan ever since he broke a lot of Juan Gonzalez’s Puerto Rican high school power/slugging records.
With Yorman, i was hoping for more than his “average” performance last year, but you have to remember that his playing age has him a few years ahead of everybody else that he played against. So to get a kid who is the age of a high school senior, playing against guys who are 21~23, and hitting with a wooden bat, to hit “average” in A ball isn’t bad. It’s better than what an older Meso or much older Stubbs did at that same point.
With Torreyes, it’s the same argument as with Yorman, except here’s a young 18 year old kid playing against guys several years older, and not only hanging with them, but absolutely excelling above all of them. His measureables aren’t even on the chart, but once you watch him actually hit the ball – wow! every hit seems to be a frozen rope line drive into the outfield. no pop-ups swinging for the fences or weak hits from him.
I understand that age matters quite a bit.
But still, Yorman Ks a lot, doesn’t walk much, and has yet to show in-game power. Add to that the fact that he seems very injury prone and it hurts his overall value.
And with Torreyes, lots of guys hit for a high average in A ball because defenses suck so bad. But he’ll never have even average power and he clearly doesn’t like to walk. The contact skills and defense are impressive, but a guy who profiles like that needs to show it above A ball before he’s an elite prospect.
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If you mean "forget him" in a Cee Lo Green type of way, I'm right there with you.
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Nah
Fuck the Cardinals. They are standing in our way. The Cubs just suck.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
The Cubs are the Cleveland Browns of the MLB.
They’re lovable losers as a team, but their fans make it really fucking hard not to hate them.
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You definitely never went to games with Cubs fans in the Wood/Prior ere
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
You'll know if you go to a Cubs game at GABP
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I have.
The fans are obnoxious. That’s what I said in my original post.
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didn
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
didn't see the "not"
But I think it’s quite easy to hate them as a team.
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I am ashamed to admit it
I kinda pulled for them in 2003. Mark Prior was my favorite player to watch that year and the Reds stopped by interesting before the Summer Solstice. He was young, he threw hard, he had a nearly uninhabitable slider, and most impressively he had the command and head of a 10 year veteran (outside of the NLCS).
I was really bummed out when his arm blow up, I really thought Prior could win 300 games (not that wins really matter, but anybody who debuted after 2000 and wins 300 games is a helluvan impressive pitcher).
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I got sucked into the 2003 team a bit as well.
I was living with my friend who is a non-obnoxious Cubs fan, and was rooting for them over the Fish.
That was kind of a fun team; Prior, Wood, Big Z before he went crazy, Clement, Randall Simon, Todd Walker, Lofton, Lenny Harris and Dusty…
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
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Yeah
i didn’t hate the Cubs until I lived with an obnoxious Cubs fan.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
My buddy will freely admit that 99% of
Cubs fans are assholes. He became a fan as a kid due to WGN. Poor guy didn’t know what he was getting himself into when he was 8 years old.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
My roommate was like an Al Yellion Cubs fan
He thought the Cubs could do no wrong and everybody should just pull for the Cubs. Like when he drafted his fantasy team it was filled with Cubs, because they were the best obviously.
A good friend of mine is also from Chicago, and a Cubs fan for life and he hates his fellow fans.
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this is not an accurate or responsible statement
no team’s sports fans are 99% assholes. a large percentage of the Cubs fans ive met have been delightful, even fun.
even Miami U has some decent pHans.
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"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Yeah, Yorman needs to cut down on the K’s.
Torreyes makes great contact.
I agree he’s probably a low HR guy. But maybe gets 30~40 2B’s?
I think his high batting average can repeat at higher levels as his age increases.
His very low K rate shows a good eye, and BB’s can be improved with maturity. But if i’m hitting in the high 0.300’s as a 17 year old, how likely am I going to be to patiently wait for a walk?
But agreed that he’s a Cub now and it doesn’t matter. But i do fully intent to scream bloody hell in 3 years when he’s tearing it up in Chicago :-)
I think 30-40 doubles is a stretch for a guy with little power
I think thats the biggest reason I don’t have much confidence in Torreyes, having at least some power is pretty close to a requirement for making it in the bigs.
speed
the one game i saw RoTo (SSS) he was cut down easily attempting to steal 2B and was thrown out by 10 feet at the dish trying to score on a single from second.
he’s gonna have to hit it off the wall for 2b’s
in that same game Billy Hamilton had a standup 3B on a ball that didnt make it to the warning track on the ground.
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in 3 years he'll be tearing it up in Chicago by taking ticket stubs at the gate
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by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Chapman is a prospect by your standards.
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I am pretty sure he is more than 45 days on.
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 3, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was responding to ephram's standard of not having a spot on the OD roster.
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unfortunately
I think he does have a spot on the OD roster. The only question is whether it’s in the pen or the rotation.
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I agree
I personally don’t think Cozart, END, Meso should still count. But since they’re there, I vote for them.
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by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my definition of a prospect is......
no one cares
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
about redefining points of reference
What if I said my definition of a prospect is everyone below AA? Its like measuring the of boiling point water with uncalibrated thermometers at different altitudes and argueing about the differences. (hint: the number we all get be different for good reasons)
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
The difference is
we all agree that the correct baseline definition is the one at sea level. Just like we all agree that prospects are <130 PAs, <50 IP, or <45 non-September days on the active roster. In some since, those numbers are arbitrary. But they are significant in that we all agree that they are significant.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
and Mesoraco's played a shit ton in the majors, hasn't he?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
are you related to Torreyes?
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by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
not at all :-)
i just know that of the many guys i’ve watched at A-level for the Reds, that Torreyes was the most impressive (at such a young age) that i’ve seen.
even better than Craig Tatum!!! (ha ha, just kidding. that guy was terrible)
This is gonna be really fun this year
After #1, there can be arguements made till the end of the list. But there’s plenty of guys whose place can be justified. The system is currently busting with 3B, a position that is tough to fill.
by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 10:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I still feel good about Hamilton.
It took him a while, but his second half stats were impressive.
Everyone’s upset about his K’s, but did anyone noticed he walked 50 times?
Any word on where he’ll start off next year? I think he could move up faster than we expect, like his closest comparable, Dee Gordon, who will be the Dodgers starting SS this year.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions
Mentioning the walks is a good point, and they are really the only reason I still consider him a top 5 prospect
But the Ks are still concerning.
I’m very confident he’ll start in Bakersfield, but I’m also confident he’ll end the year in Pensacola. (new AA affiliate, almost forgot about them)
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That's what I was thinking.
And I must take a moment to lament the loss of the only Reds affiliate within 500 miles of me.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 3, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'd bet a fair amount that after this year the A+ team will be out of Cali.
Hopefully they can get into the Carolina league and not be stuck back in Florida.
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That would be excellent!
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
any way to see a breakdown of his K's based on hitting lefty vs. hitting righty?
The whole switch hitting experiment with him is something I wish I could monitor easier.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
For some reason the splits on milb.com aren't current
But IIRC, he had pretty even numbers from both sides by the end of the year.
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I expect them to keep the core of that team together as much as they can.
by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting thought...
I think we all agree that they represent the core of the post-Votto segment of the impending Reds dynasty. If the Votto Window is through 2013, what happens in 2014? Would there be a year of suck as the core of that team works its way through Louisville? Would the Reds instead push that core through three levels in two years so they are ready (to suck initially) in 2014 at the MLB level? Or would the Reds break up the team and fast-track the guys who show promise to be part of the 2014 MLB team?
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
I have agreed in the past that they were intentionally keeping that team together
But you gotta think that some of them are going to separate themselves and be promoted more aggressively.
The core, as I see it, is Hamilton, Yorman, Duran, Vidal, Barnhart, and Corcino. I don’t see any way all of those guys are promoted at the same speed over the next 2-3 years.
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no Hank-Rod?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like he's the in-between generation
He might end up on the roster in September. Big year for him – if he tanks in Louisville, it might make management much more willing to re-sign BP and block Hank Rod for another few years.
Yep, he ended the year in AA
A full 2 levels ahead of those guys.
He’s kind of in a barren “generation” of prospects where DiDi and Soto are the only other position players who might contribute. Sulbaran seems like the only pitcher from that group, unless you still like Donnie Joseph.
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Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
hopefully it's not cut with baby ex-lax
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
It's c-c-c-combo breaker, ya big dummy
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Not to mention that the Reds have 3 picks in the top 50 of the next year's draft
Including #14 overall. I can see them creating “waves of prospect” by drafting alternating using your high picks alternating with high school and college talent. This is where the 40 man roster changes is a HUGE FUCKING WIN for small market teams in the latest CBA. I honestly think this provision is MORE IMPORTANT than any kind of spending cap as it allows it opens the prospect “wave window” 1-3 year more years for each player.
We are very blessed that our front office is as good at drafting as they are, especially in the 1st rounds. I saw Vitters mentioned above……remember he was drafted ahead of Wieters, Bumgarner, Heyward, Porcello, Mesoraco, etc.
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think you mean this years draft.
Caught ya!
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 3, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
2012'd
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
2014 Reds
Bruce
Stubbs
Cozart
Mesoraco
Latos
I don’t know that they will suck.
by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dramatic effect...
I agree that they won’t suck. I also think that Votto’s performance will not be something they can replace with anything better than an average player. Losing 4-5 wins will be enough to take this time from in the hunt to average at best, in my opinion. They’re not going to spend to replace that production, and I don’t expect the young guys to perform at the level required to make up that difference. I say 75-80 wins in 2014.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
The 2nd half improvement was very encouraging because...
He began the year trying to learn how to switch-hit (something he had never done) so his average was lower as he tried to learn to hit from the left-hand side.
They wanted him to learn to switch-hit so he could hit RH pitching better, and be that much closer to 1st base to take advantage of his speed in getting on base more often on what would be infield groundouts.
Anyway, as the season progressed his average steadily improved.
So i’m assuming that either he started to pick up how to hit as a switch-hitter, or they scrapped the idea. I forget when i watched him in August if he was hitting from the left side.
He switch hit in 2010 as well
And he switch hit for all of 2011
It feels so nice to be back to normal
yeah it was something the Reds had him do immediately
I think its reasonable to think he might still be working things out with that though, so maybe we can hope for some statistical improvements.
Why would they move him fast?
He’s not on the 40 man and we have Cozart just reaching the majors. It’s entirely possible that Cozart blows or gets hurts and we need reinforcements, but that’s not a reason to rush talent like that…….unless your the White Sox. Walt is going to take his time with Billy and let him develop, if he really is the fastest man in baseball there is no reason he doesn’t have the potential to develop into the best prospect in baseball. After all I remember when everyone but dougdirt was dogging Mesoraco as a best after his 1st 2 years, then he caught fire.
I think you can rush guys that are drafted out of college and are behind on defense. Hitters need plate decipline and pitchers need to have developing control of 3 pitches before moving forward
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Local (Baltimore) radio says the Orioles are going hard after Coco Crisp
Speculation is that they would then trade Adam Jones.
Oh, man.
by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That's just stupid, even for Baltimore
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Much stupider is turning down Atlanta's offer of
Jurrjens, Prado, and one of Teheran or Vizcaino for Jones.
If in fact that offer was made, they should have jumped at it.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 3, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt
Would you do that trade for Stubbs? Because I would give up red meat to make that trade.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
oh, you burger eating summbitch, how could you ever give up the meat poncho?!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Absofrigginlutely
It’s a little difficult to believe they actually offered that for Jones, but I’ve seen it a few different places.
That would probably be the best trade haul of the offseason, and for a guy who’s never going to be a star.
The Braves just don’t do stuff like that.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
This is how you knwo that trade wasn't actually offered
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
That was my initial thought
but the rumor persists.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Adams Jones >>>>> Drew Stubds
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
YOU CAN BULLEE DAT!
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
by ZJiff30 on Jan 3, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
because he's getting better
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
no..
you don’t say..
in other news, the Sun will rise in the East tomorrow, water will continue to be wet, and Quatman’s will continue to suck something awful
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
really?
I’d gladly accept Jones as our LF, easy, but when you put his numbers next to Stubbs’ numbers (and realize that Jones is under team control for one fewer season), does he really stand out as much?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
'xactly
They are basically the same player, only Stubbs is actually under control for two more seasons.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
insert picture of "not this shit again"
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I'd be all up for Jones
It was more the fact that the Orioles were going after Coco Crisp and trading Jones…that just seemed really stupid
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
The Orioles aren't going to win squat anyway
if it could bring back major pieces for future teams, it would not be dumb to consider.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
But why pay the money and years for Crisp though?
And considering they tried (maybe they’re still trying) to make Jones a central piece of the team, why trade him now? Is he really at his peak?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Crisp would be some rental
so that they can trade Jones for a boatload of young talent (in theory). Yeah, i think Jones is definitely in his prime.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
moot point
Crisp signed with the A’s for lots of money
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I really feel for the Orioles.
For them, Tampa or Toronto, their division is practically built for them to fail- every single year with no exceptions. Their only hope is to pull off a Wild Card, and even that is usually taken by the Sox or Yankees.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
Thus an extra wild card team
now the Yankees and Red Sox NEVER have to miss the postseason again, and Tampa and Toronto have some glimmers of hope as well.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Tampa has done all right
At least lately.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Bowden now says he'll resign with the A's
Expect an announcement that he’s signing with the Nats by Thursday.
by poojols on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Bowden just Tebow'd Bowden!
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
somehow, Bowden has Tebow'd ESPN
how the fuck are they still paying that guy?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Given Tebow's late-season collapse, what does "Tebow'ing" even mean?
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think it means outperforming your pythagorean record.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
check that
It means outperforming your pythagorean record while locking your balls in a chastity belt.
That actually does sound pretty impossible.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's a lot like "fuck"
It means whatever you want it to mean. It can serve as any part of speech and be used in any circumstance.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't sure what he meant by that even before the late-season collapse
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
sigh
Exec: #Cubs, #BlueJays might prefer to hold off on Prince knowing Votto will be free in 2 years, when both clubs will be stronger. #MLB
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) January 3, 2012
double sigh
Votto market after ’13 could be ridiculous. #Mets, #Dodgers should be off life support by then. #Rangers, others also could bid. #MLB
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) January 3, 2012
And in January 2008, everyone was sure Rudy Giuliani would be the Republican nominee for President
Him or Mike Huckabee or Fred Thompson. Because John McCain’s campaign was dead.
The point is, I don’t get too worked up over people predicting shit 2 years in the future. Joey Votto could also get married, have a kid, and decide he really wants to stay in Cincinnati.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. Any team that's going to wait for two years on the off-chance they might land Votto is nuts.
by ken on Jan 3, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it sounds nuts
but then again, it’s Joey Votto. He’s really good.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
And dreamy

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
by ChiDa on Jan 3, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
turrible material
awful bow tie
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Well, sure.
He is indeed a handsome guy. That’s what makes the suit all the more objectionable.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
objectionable is being kind
you, the RR resident expert on haberdashery needs to not hold back on that fashion faux pas
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
except
He’s dead wrong about the pant stripe. It’s not black tie without the pant stripe.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That is the old school rule.
I just think it’s stupid and choose not to follow it. Sort of like the women in white shoes after Labor Day. It’s a stupid rule and now no one follows it because it’s stupid.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
Yeah. Like waiting for marriage.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
I follow the black tie pant stripe rule.
But I never wear white shoes before labor day.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
agreed
my NYE was Black Tie, and I had no pant stripe
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
So there's our path to keeping Votto
Female Reds’ fans should be trying really hard to get knocked up by Joey Votto in order to convince him to stay.
Women – get out there and get it done!!!
"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer
by rorschach1979 on Jan 3, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
FYI- He'll probably be doing the fucking
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So you'd suspect...
but I’m adept at managing personal objectives to suit my own needs. Scott Boras/d.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Bravo.
"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer
by rorschach1979 on Jan 3, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
And enterprising young men - Get to work on your Joey Votto costumes!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 3, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't get your point.
Giuliani has been a delightful president. Here at the retirement home we have his portrait over all of our fireplaces.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It really could be RIDICULOUS
As in it could be the highest awarded contract in the history of baseball. Which would be fine by me because that means he played at an MVP level in the final 2 years of his contract.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just curious...
Does Joey know what he wants to be doing three years from now yet?
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
Better tell his gf, looks like she's going to be busy
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I think that joke is way stale.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm really tired of the Votto is gay stuff as well.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Besides the juvenile homophobia inherent to it,
it also grows out of speculation from when he was dealing with depression, which also isn’t a very funny topic.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I actually was kinda hoping he was gay and would come out
I think it would have been kinda cool if Cincinnati had the first openly gay active athlete in baseball (American major league male sports?).
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
just b/c you wanna sleep with him
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was wondering who was going to be the first to touch this one
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I apologize that I was 2 hours late
my 2012 RR resolution was to try and log in at least once daily and comment on everything and everything
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
oh goodie
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Jan 4, 2012 8:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
whatevs
I’m already stocking up on wine for our Cincy roadtrip
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Handsome, intelligent, introspective white men
scare the hell out of other white folks. (And bigoted black and latino folks as well) Smart is something to be afraid of and ridicule….and cast a pall over. Stupid people polk their ignorant sticks…..gay comes out. Assholes.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 3, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is true that I've been afraid of you for quite some time...
Are you Gay too?
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Stupid people aren't mean unless they are ignorant and taught that ignorance is virtuous.
It’s why Republicans were folks that you could have a reasonable discussion with before “Fox News”.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
x

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
i was just looking for an excuse to use that picture
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Re: hoping someone is gay as a compliment
I hope Yossi is gay because he could be the first openly gay RRer communist. Think about all the closeted RRer communist gays that now have someone to relate to. This could be great for the RR community and great for the communist gay community.
See how ridiculous that sounds when you change the scope and person. His sex life is his own damn business. Even if he is gay, if asked he will likely pull an Anderson Cooper on your ass or just punch you in the face.
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 4, 2012 1:23 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
yes, a major league athlete is exactly & i mean exactly the same thing as a poster on rr
excellent comparison.
I usually describe myself as a Joey Votto type.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
so you're not Canadian?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
"he will likely pull an Anderson Cooper on your ass"
“See how ridiculous that sounds?”
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well done sir
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 4, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see it as homophobic at all
If anything, it’s the opposite.
Whether it’s funny or in good taste is a whole ’nother question, of course.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I don't think it's fair to insinuate that I'm homophobic from that comment.
I happen to think Votto is gay and I was playfully scoffing at the thought of him having a girlfriend. I agree with Justin that I think it’d be pretty awesome to have Votto “come out”.
Further, linking his sexual orientation to his depression is a bit far-fetched.
I don't think it's far fetched to link the depression issue to the gay thing.
That’s more my issue, in general, rather than the homophobia aspect. This whole thing started when he was on the DL in 2009 and the rampant speculation that followed.
If it didn’t come from there, then where did it start?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
this is the first I've heard of that correlation
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Madville brought it up at the time.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I will say Madville's picture of
“Joey’s friend from College Hill” when someone was posting his girlfriend’s Twitter pictures made me laugh out loud… So I guess I’m a hypocrite.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I waited as long as I could for you Joseph...But then I met Lance...

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
This is a violation of RR rule 16.1a:
Madville shall not be used as a reference nor expert witness on anything, lest you completely lose your credibility on the issue.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
I never said I thought it was a fact because Madville said it
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
You cited him. You can scroll up and go read it again if you want.
Also, take a joke.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
4 out of 5 depressed people have homosexual thoughts
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
well that isn't very gay of them.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Petey, my friend...
RR rule 16.1a: was eliminated from the charter after I was right about the 2101 Reds winning the division.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This is PURE. FUCKING. GOLD.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
if you'd stop lookin' so sexy
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Not far-fetched at all, that is when those rumors started.
It was a common claim on message boards, that Votto was struggling with depression or other personal issues because he was struggling with his sexuality. And those comments weren’t made in a nice way.
I’m not insinuating that you are homophobic, I’m saying straight out that it is homophobic to make a comment like “haha ‘gf’” in a way that reads very much like one kid calling another kid “gay” in a pejorative way. It would certainly be awesome if an athlete could be open about his sexuality in this world, but that is that athlete’s decision (I say “his” because there are lots of female, lesbian athletes who are open about it). And even if you didn’t mean to come across as snickering at the possibility that Votto is gay, that is exactly how it came across. There is nothing wrong with being gay, but “gay” or “homo” or other jokes about sexuality are frequently used negatively. In that case, they are homophobic in the sense that that is the best word we have to describe antipathy based on sexuality. I don’t think you are homophobic, I don’t know you. I’m sure you are a nice person and well meaning. But that came across as a negative comment, and this line of jokes consistently comes across as not celebrating openness about sexuality, but rather using sexuality as an insult.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wow
this line of jokes consistently comes across as not celebrating openness about sexuality, but rather using sexuality as an insult.
I could not disagree more. This particular line of jokes, at least here at RR, comes from people who love Votto and would have no problem with him being gay. I see it as reclaiming “gay” from its use as a pejorative.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
maybe not here
but the way this rumor started was by people in Cincinnati doing exactly what CA said.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
i am sure cincinnati.com had some gems
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Never, ever read the comments on a newspaper web site
Unless you want to lose all faith in humanity
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
some how it always denigrates to some minority group wanting to take their hard earned money through trickery.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
What about if you want to evaluate logic statements?
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Again, not a credible source.
And I don’t disagree.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
I'm really surprised that you equate a snickering joke about someone being gay to a celebration of sexual equality.
I don’t at all doubt that the community here is open minded, that is abundantly clear. But that is absolutely not the root or the use of those jokes, and I don’t think they read as particularly generous wherever they show up. How does the comment in question reclaim the word “gay” and restore it’s function as a neutral description of sexuality?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
actually
I think Madville was the root of the jokes here. He posted something about Joey being gay, and people just ran with it.
I see it as reclaiming “gay” because Joey is awesome and if he’s gay, it’s okay. Just like if he likes the NBA, then I must be wrong about it. :-)
It would be different if they were calling less good players like Janish gay. (Enough with the limp weak wrist jokes!) But Joey? I see not one atom of derision in it. Quite the opposite.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I know plenty of people that don't read RR that make
Votto jokes, and they aren’t very warm and fuzzy. “Votto is gay” is most definitely a part of the Cincinnati zeitgeist.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
too bad
But we make jokes about Votto doing people’s driveways, and that didn’t have a particularly warm and fuzzy origin, either. People very clearly understand that we’re not buying into such stereotypes by making the jokes – quite the opposite.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Just because you say "quite the opposite" doesn't make it so.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Also, the point isn't that people are buying into the stereotypes here,
the point is that the jokes are also just not funny any more, because they come across as mean, or because they are trite, or because they are stale. I get equally annoyed with LoMo’s stupid #nohomojustlomo hashtag. It’s lazy, Jay Leno-style humor.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
maybe so
But this is RR. Stale jokes are the reason for our existence.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
You are not a comedy critic.
And the internet is a bad place to try to be one.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
yabbut
Italian immigrants aren’t having hate crimes perpetrated against them.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
/pours one out for Sacco
/pours another one out for Venzetti
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Not a day goes by that I don't worry about hate crimes against the Italian-American community
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You're right
Whether it’s true or not, everyone in town has that friend or acquaintance that has or heard some kind of evidence to back up the “Votto is gay” rumor. Some people choose to believe it more than others (probably depending on the reliability of the source), and that’s all I’ll say.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Being in Los Angeles, I have never heard this rumor.
The closest I heard of is RR guys joking that they were “Gay for Jay” or that Votto could violate them anally if that’s what it took to retain his services in Cincinnati.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
Gay jokes are common for the homoerratic

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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I saw a guy on campus wearing that t-shirt
I really wonder how somebody wakes up in the morning and thinks that is the message I want to project to the world.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
You know plenty of people that don't read RR that make Votto jokes, and that's fine but...
In her original comment, BF said “blahblah, at least here at RR, blahblahJanishYankeesblah”
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I have a sense of humor, and appreciate the generous spirit of this place.
But I think the jokes are problematic whether or not people love Joey Votto. Here’s why:
1. Joey Votto has a girlfriend and is by all available evidence a straight man.
2. Joey Votto’s sexuality has been called into question in the past as a means of either questioning his manhood or the veracity of his mental health issues.
3. While this community may make those jokes openmindedly, they live on the internet where most such jokes are made out of meanness.
Calling Votto gay amounts to calling him a liar, not to mention the deep associations that come with calling out some one’s sexuality as other than he or she claims.
I’ll make a non-monetary bet with you: if Votto goes into free agency, you will start to hear a lot of those rumors bandied about maliciously on Reds message boards. Let’s reclaim words like “gay” in a way that doesn’t involve casting aspersions on our favorite athletes.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather
not consider “gay” an aspersion at all.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That's not up to you to decide.
In a world where meaning is socially constructed, “gay” has positive as well as negative uses. And even if we wish that were not so, it is no less so. A kid can’t call another kid “gay” on a playground and then turn around and say they meant it as a compliment. That’s b.s.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
but
we do create our own little world here at RR. And IMO, there have been far more offensive memes in the history of RR. At least as would be judged by a random passing through.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Our "world" here has a lot of latitude, and that's great.
This all started not because I or anyone else was offended, but because I thought the joke was past its prime, and I still do. And in part I think it is past its prime because it is juvenile and mean in a way that most of our jokes are not. There are lots of funny things to say, to me this isn’t one of them, and I apparently am not alone in thinking that.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Blow me
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Jan 3, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Come on, Mads
Not a bad joke, but a bad time for the joke.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
You must think that comment as a double entendre...
not.
Relax
Live a little
Life is brief
Have a beer
Christ on a Hubcap
My nephew is gay
There are times when I tell him to fucking Blow me.
He laughs.
Try it…it doesn’t hurt…everything and anything is fair game midst the enduring absurdity called Dustbrainfuckpants.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
He'd angrily ban himself within minutes.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
I thought it was fucking brilliant
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'm not gonna lie, looking at it again caused me to giggle all over again
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I think it's Madville's best-timed post ever.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
And lets give Mads due credit for using our brand-new REPLY feature!
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 4, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, and you know what else is a part of our little world at RR? Suggesting that some of our least favorite players are gay.
So I mean, whatever on the “Joey’s gay” joke, but I don’t think we have a case that we’re super special and we get to make jokes like that because we’re so accepting.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
I hadn't noticed
Must be people whose comments I don’t read.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Well, now I'm worried that I just imagined it.
It’s not ever outright, but I thought I vaguely remembered enough references to cardinals sucking cock, pitching/catching innuendos, etc. It’s pretty hard to sort through all the other references on RR to cocksucking, pitching, and catching though, so for now, I’ll retract the statement. I kind of hate this argument anyway.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
between monday's racism discussion & tuesday's homophobia discussion
RR 2012 is off to a rough (but familiar) start
Don't the Rupp discussions and the n-word discussions count separately?
I’m really starting to see why people always hated me.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
don't forget the cunts
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 4, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
we can take this to a new level
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, cuz "foot fairy" jokes are always fresh
by Brendanukkah on Jan 3, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
Just seems like a funny place to draw the line. Most people probably didn’t even get what Grooveleg was implying. But the far more blatant “foot fairies” and the cf word (not center fielder) go on and on and on….
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
This is a valid point.
I’m not saying references to Votto being gay should be deleted or that it offends me, but just that it’s tired, and more importantly that it stems from the whole depression issue from 2009.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
At first I thought you were referring to "chicken fucker"
and was not sure whether RR was ready to go down that path of acceptance.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Mads
confirmed evil genius
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yes go ahead a blame me.
I happen to like gay people and am looking forward to the day when someone other than Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King come out.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Billie Jean King is gay?
Huh. I thought he was into chicks.
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I thought Bobby was straight...am I wrong?
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
seems reasonable to me

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dammit, Bobby

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jan 4, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I did a documentary about tennis, and he was great in it.
My gaydar did not go off, but he was old and dying. It was his last time on camera.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
dang, i'm agreeing with bubbafan & justin!
also, grooveleg is a great dude & a great poster here. sadly, he doesn’t post as much as he used to. his comment was innocent & he wasn’t trying to haze gay people. i would rather not attack him when he comes around & drive him away further.
this
+1
Etc.
If you think Grooveleg’s jokes suck, fine, but don’t call him homophobic. He’s not. Repetitive joke that has been run into the ground, maybe, like “+1” “isn’t it?” and all the rest, but not meant in a hateful or bigoted way at all.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
To be fair, there weren't any personal attacks on him
CA offered a fairly measured critique of the joke, not the person.
I never once called him homophobic, I called the comment homophobic.
I actually said explicitly that I am sure he is a nice guy and didn’t mean any harm, and my beef is with that line of commentary, not the poster.
You can’t just wave a wand and make something innocuous. You can’t equate jokes about Votto’s sexuality, in jest or not, and “+1,” “rec’d because…,” etc. You just can’t. Sure, this is its own little public sphere but we still live in the real world.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 4, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
i've met him, total homophobe.
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
i'm not saying you stink, but the stuff coming out of your mouth smells awful
by 'tHan on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Santorum?
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
well done
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I am really glad this went green
but this should be a 5+ rec comment.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Guess it's time for you to make a couple of fake accounts.
Rather than chiding us for not finding it as funny as you.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
Well that's certainly an interesting position to take
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
It was a nonsensical photo response to your extremely well-reasoned retort to a post I put some thought into.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 4, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Fat Bastard is always appropriate.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 4, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Prince Fielder'd
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
You are well past the line of self-parody.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 4, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
you stood on the moral high ground
you’re going to need to put more thought into your posts from now on.
i’m ok with all of it
It's true, I lay my saber down at your feet.
So you may have the privilege of making insensitive comments and personal attacks when there is a viewpoint you don’t agree with. Winners, all of us.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 4, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
It seems that CA is taking a very similar stance on this issue
that many of you agreed with on the Yossi/N-Word issue — ie: it is never innocuous, we live in a world where you just can’t say it, and that the intentions of the one who says it doesn’t matter because it just should not be said. Yet, some of the same people who thought Yossi’s use of the n-word was indefensible even though they agreed that the remark was not meant to be pejorative, are making the opposite argument against homophobic statements saying that they are OK because they were not meant to be pejorative! Some of you are jumping on CA for expressing the exact same sentiments that you expressed yesterday!
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
by darthmom on Jan 4, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Holy shit, there are hypocrites on the internet?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Apparently there are some right here on RR
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
no there aren't!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 4, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
yes there are!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 4, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I refuse to believe it until I see it on MLBTR
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
mr. ford ham ram did a pretty good job explaining that he did not think the 2 scenarios are the same
He explained it but I didn't agree with him.
Still don’t. But I’m not referring to him in any of my remarks as he has not even commented on this thread.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
not me
I didn’t think the way Justin used the n-word was out of line.
I mean, I can totally understand it if they just don’t want that word used here. But I don’t think it’s worse than many other words that pass without a second thought here. And I said as much in the other thread.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yes, I wasn't referring to you either.
And you pretty much summed up my very thoughts in four sentences. My biggest problem with the comments on the n-word/c-word and gay slur threads is it seems like they are similar enough issues that their should be more congruency in people’s thought on all three issues. But instead some people just keep insisting the issues are not at all alike. I don’t get that.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
by darthmom on Jan 4, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
do not
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
Rec monger!
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
i've got to come up with an arrested development comment that references bo diaz & makes fun of jsutin
if i can make it into a tagline, RR will implode
Red Reporter: If you can come up with a tagline that references Arrested Development and Bo Diaz while making fun of Jsutin, we'll implode. TM
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks, this expresses my frustration very well.
But I’ve explained my point, and I certainly don’t mean to alienate anyone here. This is the major discursive shortcoming of our time and will not be resolved for a long while. Heck, athletes use the F-word daily to trash talk.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 4, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
filth
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Franklin
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
flagged!
Common, we gotta draw the line somewhere!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
that's how I've always seen it as well,
it goes along with our whole man-love for him. And considering that we actually have female posters who are clear about their attraction towards Votto, Heisey, et al its just a way for us dudes to get in on the game.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
"Homophobic" has to be one of the most often misused words in the English language.
A phobia is a fear. Homophobia is when people are actually afraid to be around homosexual people- “Don’t drop the soap” is a homophobic idea. There isn’t a word for prejudice against gay people.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
"homophobia" has come to have a far broader definition than that
I think it originally referred to the idea that you hate gay people because you fear the gay tendencies within yourself. But now it refers to general prejudice.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
wrong
phobia can also mean antipathy
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Homophonic ...lets get it right people!
All GLBT’s are afraid of Phoenicians
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Of course depression isn't funny, why do you think they call it depression
/BurrowOwl’d
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I didn't even pick up on that.
I thought he was making fun of him for using the abbreviation “gf.”
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
Personally, I'm going to want Vidal in my top-5
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
While the motto, "If you don't look good, we don't look good"
seems to make practical sense, this particular doo, is a failure. Now, of course, it wouldn’t stop me from making “the sex” but it’s still not so good.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
She has no depth perception
She’s going to fall down the stairs.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
You'd be surprised, they tend to adapt
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
ha
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 4, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
noooooooooooooo
Cordero and Reds still talking
"We’re still talking with [Cincinnati] and a couple of other clubs," Cordero’s agent, Bean Stringfellow, said on Tuesday. "We’re making progress on a lot of fronts. Multi-year contracts are definitely involved.
"The Reds are involved and are still interested in bringing him back. I am talking with them on a regular basis."
I hope this is just posturing, and teh Fay is right, and the Reds have not offered a multiyear deal.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
A one-year deal for Coco wouldn't be all that bad.
Multiple years, losing a pick, probably coughing up too much money and putting up with the near heart attacks in every save situation? No thanks.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
Yea I agree.
One year is manageable. Anything else is just plain wrong. Rosenthal had a tweet earlier that some execs were looking at Harden as an option in the pen. I’m pretty sure I heard the idea tossed around hear first, but I don’t remember who said it. ’creds maybe?
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
I would looooooove Harden in the ’pen.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
He was awesome in fantasy baseball as a rookie
BTW – who’s the commissioner in the Yahoo! Baseball leagues around here? I have yet to play in one
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I was actually about to bring this up.
I’ve never played fantasy baseball, and I’d really like to give it a go. Maybe I’ll work up a fanpost.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I haven't played in 3 years
Or since I had kids. The summer my son was born I abandoned all my public teams. That being said, if I were to motivated by bragging rights I would become a dominant force.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
yeah it's great
You in there too KC?
by pack_fan on Jan 4, 2012 1:18 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Blocking Janish / 1/2-Game Lead
I didn’t know you were in it!
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Agreed. Stinking awesome league.
Although I’m screwed, as I sold my future for a chance at immortality.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
My feelings exactly
I’m actually pretty bullish on a one year deal for Coco. Multiple years is wrong-headed, though.
wait
Coco’s agent’s name is Bean Stringfellow?!?

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Walt
says he’s not offering multiple years.
Stringfellow declined to detail the specific numbers being bandied about with the Reds in negotiations. But general manager Walt Jocketty made it clear he wasn’t one of the clubs looking to offer multiple years.
“We’re looking at one year or one year with an option,” Jocketty said. “That’s all it could be, right now — one year guaranteed.”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
#Goodlord, Billy Beane
Coco Crisp signs with the As.
6 mil this year, 7 next, and a 7.5 mil option in 2014 with a mil buyout. So he’s guaranteed 14 mil over 2 yrs.
That is one dumb contract.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 5:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, it's dumb
but it’s not terrible. The A’s need outfielders somethin’ fierce, and Coco is a league-average OF. It’s not going to hamstring them, but they aren’t going to find much better for much cheaper.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
And the A's are really, really poor.
Like, they’d be jealous of the Reds’ huge payroll.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
they were two spots behind Cincy last year in the payroll rankings
~76M for the Reds, ~66.5M for the A’s
and this year they've already traded/not resigned
5 of they’re best players. He’s got to be the highest paid person on the team doesn’t he? Maybe Suzuki has him beat?
And it would be imprudent (to say the least) for the Reds to give someone like Crisp a contract like that.
It’s even worse for the A’s.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
I dunno
It would be bad for the Reds because they already employ three outfielders who are as good or better than him. It’s not so bad for the A’s because they don’t have any outfielders.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
eh, still an overpay.
That’s paying him for about 3 WAR this year and about 3.5 WAR next year, using the old rule of 1 WAR=$2 million. It’s highly unlikely that he produces that, or even anything very close.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
that's a David Bell-esque pile-o-burned cash
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
anyone have any tips or tricks on converting AAC music files (iTunes default)
to MP3 format? There is a program available that has a free one month trial that I was thinking of downloading, but I was interested if anyone else has an opinion on the subject.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I'm pretty sure that's the same thing I'ved used in the past
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
it served its purpose and the price was right, so I guess so :)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
are you using iTunes?
I think you can right click on any song and select “create MP3 version” and it will no longer be protected. make sure your import settings in the general preferences are set to the quality of MP3 you want (like 320).
thanks
I’ve seen that, but i want to do it on a large scale. I have the opportunity to do some MP3J’ing and the DJ software won’t recognize AAC or MP4 files.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
oh yeah? a fellow DJ!
what do you use? i use Traktor and it recognizes pretty much everything except video (no support).
I have always done vinyl only, but I have someone wanting me to play
short sets at a bar and it’s not worth lugging around turntables for 2 hours of work. I just downloaded DJ Pro Mixer NB because it seems to be the only software that works on netbooks.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
uh oh, your purity is in question... (kidding)
nice work. never heard of that software. what kind of bar and music?
It's a bar in OTR called Japp's that specializes in old timey drinks
They are trying out doing parties every Friday night in an adjacent building and the manager is a friend of mine and asked me if I would be interested. I usually play old soul and funk stuff on 45 for the most part.
Are you in Cincy?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
nice!
I hereby demand that you play this every single party.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 4, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
or you could always open with...
M…A…N…Bear…Pig…ManBearPig!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 4, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Nice..I'll have to come check you out.
I live in Dayton but my wife and I will be moving down to Cincy when we find a house. I have made a few contacts at some bars in Mt. Lookout and Mt. Adams—hopefully it leads to some gigs around there.
I listen to all music but I have become a top 40 DJ. I’m ok with it, but my heart is in dance music—house, techno, some dubstep. I like to party.
I would also recommend looking downtown and Northside
Covington as well
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
All the cool kids live in Ohio
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
sure you would
you could be with my other new neighbor, lucky pierre!
by 'tHan on Jan 4, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I think I went to college with his cousin
Hot Carl
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 4, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
It will be worse than a Hot Carl
if the Reds sign Juan Pierre.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
I voted for Stephenson
I guess I don’t really think of Messaraco, or Cozart as prospects anymore (silly semantics I know).
I just really fucking love young high upside pitchers, so it was totally biased. It will be awesome when he makes it to the big leagues in 2014 and still isn’t a successful pitcher in 2018.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
really i just voted for him, because 1 other person did
and I am really excited about what he may do. It was an irrational vote, but I love watching young pitchers go through the system.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
There's
supposed to be a great meteor shower tonight.
The Quads. Short but very intense. And the skies are supposed be clear across most of the country.
Unfortunately, the time is 3am to 5am. And the temperature will be about zero tonight. I don’t think I’ll be getting out of bed unless the house is on fire.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Rick Santorum?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I kinda hope he wins
I really want him to get attention.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Well, let's wait until we get to a state with more than eight black people
by ken on Jan 3, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Huckabee won Iowa in 2008
Santorum is the closest thing to Huckabee in this field, and he is not doing anywhere near as well
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Huckabee was also the not McCain choice in 2008.
It is weird that not a single candidate has been able to consolidate the not Romney vote in 2012.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I really just want him to get hard news coverage for two weeks
and for Americans to really get to know who he is, and realize there is a problem with a party that no matter how ever short, even considers nominating somebody like Santorum.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
prescient
those eight black people were the difference!
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
let it sit long enough, and it's drinkable
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Are you asking for the definition?
santorum (san-TOR-um) n.
1. The frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter
that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
I can't wait to be drafted into Santorum's holy war against Iran
(not really)
Respect my authoritah!
Alright
Is anyone else having trouble with Z-ing threads? These has been happening alot and it doesn’t let me Z until someone posts a comment. WTF SB?
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions
mine is fine
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
i use firefox if that matters.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
suddenly
C-ing isn’t working for me in this thread. It was until a few minutes ago.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
just use the word, BubbaFan
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 3, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but I don't want to get a popup!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i noticed it when using IE on my girlfriends laptop
but only then. On my laptop (Google Chrome) its fine.
I have to share this
I discovered Puddin’ today. It is described as a “single panel, live action cartoon.” Basically, each episode (they run from 25 seconds to a minute or so) involve an office drone ranting in the break room while his coworker tries to eat his pudding.
The link goes to a pretty good example of the genre. The rants are just insane – if you are easily offended, you might want to avoid it (but then you probably would not be here), but good lord, it can be funny when it hits. There is a new episode each day Mon-Fri
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 10:30 PM EST reply actions
It would appear that Les Miles let Brady Hoke borrow the horseshoe that lives up his ass
Mighty nice of him, being a Michigan man and all. UM up 17-6 in a game where they have frankly gotten their butts kicked, but have caught every lucky break, and then some.
I am enjoying it greatly.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 3, 2012 10:42 PM EST reply actions
Changing the subject...
I think I have developed an allergy to hops. In the last few months when I drink a couple IPA’s I start getting hot flashes like a menopausal lady. No noticeable effects when I drink something else. This is a very disconcerting development for me.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
That, my friend, blows.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
its mental
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard of this before
It’s actually caused by the IPAs being so full of awful. I think if you stopped drinking them, they would stop making you sick.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 4, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Re: Joey Votto is gay
Google search hits:
Joey Votto is gay – 135,00
Tom Brady is gay – 3.74 million
Ryan Braun is gay – 589,000
Cole Hamels is gay – 607,000
Nomar Garciaparra is gay – 438,000 (BTW he’s married to Mia Hamm)
I could go on but this entire conversation is ridiculous. Any time a hot chick says “Professional Athlete X is hot” the single guy to her immediate right will say “He’s a gay.”

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions
BTW Tom Brady is gay hilarious google image search

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's even in People!

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Put those phrases in quotes.
Just a methodological point.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 3, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Lets leave John wesley out of this discussion.

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Jan 4, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this might actually be progress of a sort
Not that long ago, there would be blanket denial that a pro athlete could be gay, especially a good player on your team.
Also, I’m bemused to find that my photos from the BBWAA dinner last year are prominently featured when I GIS joey votto is gay. Probably because of the George Clooney “discussion” that arose in the comments. (I realize I’m in the Google bubble, and probably get more RR results from Google than the average person.)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
No kidding. Mike Piazza could've had fun with the meme that he was gay, but instead he went out of his way to deny it.
by ken on Jan 4, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Having a Playmate fight over you has to be a great feeling, especially when you look like Jeff Garcia
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I think the reason that none of the athletes bother to deny it is because denying it
would just tend to stir up the rumors more. Also, to my knowledge, none of those athletes have been asked out right, “Are you gay?” If they were ever asked that outright, I’m sure they would deny it (or maybe confirm it if it were true). Denying internet rumors is like chasing your own tail. I mean why bother with internet trolls who, claiming to have reliable sources (oh really?), spend their time tee-heeing over who may be gay.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
by darthmom on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would love for someone to ask Tom Brady if he's gay
and for him to smile real big and say “yup!” Then the whole internet would collapse on itself as he exits stage right to go trundle bed a super model.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think Skip Bayless' head would actually spin around with steam coming out of it.
I am DYING to see how ESPN covers the first out superstar athlete.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I'll be honest
Unless it’s me, I don’t care who someone else is fucking.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
"I got no problem with you fucking me. But I got a little problem with you not fucking me."
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
God made dirt and dirt bust yo ass
Dirt Bikes!
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 5, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
what kind of sports journalist would ask an athlete if he is gay?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
you obviously haven't met many sports journalists
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm not talking about the athletes
I’m talking about the fans.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Oh, ok
but the feel I get from the fans who post this stuff (I’m not referring to anyone here on RR) is snicker, snicker so-and-so is gay. It doesn’t feel like a positive step forward in acceptance to me.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I wonder which city the first openly gay major league male athlete will play for.
Would an athlete be more likely to hide his sexual orientation if he plays in the south or other more conservative cities like Cincinnati, then if he played on the costs or gay friendly cities like Chicago or Minneapolis?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Who cares?
I look forward to the day when everyone will be like JCH and not care who is fucking who because really, unless it’s me, it’s not that interesting to me.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
"I look forward to the day when everyone will be like JCH...."
That’s it, I’m done. See y’all later.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Of course I meant that ironically
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
it is interesting to me
because I want to see how people will react.
You, and I, and JCH, and most the people on this board know that how two or more consenting adults choose to have sex with each other really doesn’t matter. But Rick Santorum was 4 votes away from winning Iowa yesterday.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Are you suggesting that
a great many Americans are ignorant moralizers with a penchant for purposeful ignorance and hypocritical tendencies? Hell you say!
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 4, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
although sometimes
How two people choose to have sex is really really funny.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
If there was ever a job for BK, damn....
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If it happens in San Francisco, it could increase attendance.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
Speaking of gay
It seems unfair that Asperger’s is pronounced liked “Ass Burgers”.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I always pronounce it as "au-spur-gers" but I have heard it both ways.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
This needs to be spread all over.
A martini is not a martini without an olive.
That, at least, is the thinking of a true connoisseur.
And to Siouxland residents, many of whom consider themselves connoisseurs of fine food, a city is not a city without an Olive Garden. So as of Monday, Sioux City becomes a real city.
Wow. I would offer that Olive Garden is the worst chain restaurant in the history of everything.
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
Why are you reading five year old articles about shitty restaurants?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
oh. twitter confused me.
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
The only reason I looked at the date was because I thoughyt to myself "Doesn't every city with a population over 30,000 have an Olive Garden?"
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
still. come on.
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
Looking through this post on best gifs of 2011
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/1/4/2679816/gifs-15-11
My favorite so far:

You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
by boobs on Jan 4, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
What a biiiiiiitch
I liked this one as well:

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 4, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
actually
it’s not.
It’s a high school football game.
The cart was unmanned in the end zone and just took off on its own, knocking over the winning coach while he was being interviewed.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I love how the guy starts steering the cart after being run over by it
That is a man who is cool under pressure.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 4, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
and he was smart enough to tuck and roll when the other guy got on.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I can't quit you, Mads
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
god bless 3 AM reply fails.
Mads, you’re the best.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 5, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
who is the one on your left?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 7, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Long time friend of D#2...nice soccer player, talented musically and atristically. Graduated from Antioch with my daughter.
She is an alternate lifestyle person who lives in Oregon and is an environmental activist. Rarely do we get to see her ‘dressed up’…very smart, very cute and too young for you!!! Her name is: Twilight-Burns Fire

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
too young for me?
clearly you don’t follow me on Twitter, Mads
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 8, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
And where is The Batman? He's at home washing his tights!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions
ooohhhh Batman gonna whip dat ass!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 5, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
He led the league more than once in the important category of bullet wounds + SLG.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches

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