2012 Community Prospect Rankings: @Tucker_Barnhart claims the 17th spot, throws it out at 2nd
by BK on Jan 26, 2012 8:01 AM EST
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Tucker Barnhart makes the list at #17, and I'm still reeling to figure out why. His plate discipline and makeup are far beyond his years, he's done a good job improving at each level, and was the best defensive catcher in the minors last year according to people who keep track of minor league catcher defense. Still with quite a bit to prove with the bat as he goes up the ladder, but he's set himself up well to be a big leaguer.
Be sure to follow Tucker on twitter at @Tucker_Barnhart, as he's one of the best Reds minor league tweeters out there. Also, he'll be on the Reds Caravan which kicks off today, so go out and see him if you're going to be in Huntington (WV) today, Bowling Green (KY) on Saturday, or Lexington on Sunday.
A few new names to add to the list, and the rest of the guys have been so close the past few days I have no idea who'll come out on top. Vote!
Junior Arias, 3B, 20, BA-UR, Sickels-#19
(Billings) .251/.320/.452/.772, 8 HR, 30 RBI
Pros: Toolsy. Will be a monster at the plate if he can get his mechanics together and figures out how to hit. Time is on his side.
Cons: Still really raw. Went up a rookie ball level and numbers didn't improve. Does not walk.
Tim Crabbe, RHP, 24, BA-UR, Sickels-#14
(Dayton) 3.65 ERA, 24.2 IP, 25 K, 7 BB, 1.17 WHIP
(Bakersfield) 3.41 ERA, 111.0 IP, 123 K, 46 BB, 1.29 WHIP
Pros: Two above average pitches, profiles as a solid reliever. Put up good numbers in the Cally League, which is a pitcher's nightmare.
Cons: Needs a 3rd pitch if he wants to be a starter. Kind of old for his level, so needs to go to AA and pitch well.
Amir Garrett, RHP, 19, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
No pro stats yet
Pros: Throws 96. Athletic doesn't even begin to describe him. Chapman-esque delivery.
Cons: Is a basketball player. Very, very raw talent. Needs secondary pitches.
Donald Lutz, 1B, 23, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
(Dayton) .301/.358/.492/.850, 20 HR, 75 RBI
Pros: Lots of power, and had a breakout season this year where he started hitting for average too. German fella.
Cons: Strikeouts a major issue, and doesn't walk enough. A little old for his level after 3 years of rookie ball.
Chris Manno, LHP, 23, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
(Hagerstown) 1.04 ERA, 43.1 IP, 69 K, 15 BB, 0.81 WHIP
(Bakersfield) 0.53 ERA, 17.0 IP, 31 K, 6 BB, 0.71 WHIP
Pros: Amazing numbers since being traded, especially for the league environment. Deceptive delivery, with major league bullpen potential.
Cons: Below average fastball velocity. Secondary pitches need work.
Gabriel Rosa, 3B, 18, BA-UR, Sickels-#17
(AZL Reds) .245/.314/.406/.719, 2 HR, 10 RBI
Pros: Good speed on the basepaths, and scouts love his plate approach.
Cons: Rookie debut wasn't spectacular, still a very raw talent.
Josh Smith, RHP, 24, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
(Dayton) 2.97 ERA, 142.1 IP, 166 K, 33 BB, 1.09 WHIP
Pros: Struck out a lot of hitters last year, was the ace for a playoff team.
Cons: According to most scouting reports, doesn't really project as anything other than a back-of-the-rotation starter at best. Low 90s fastball, and his out pitch is a breaking ball that could get exploited by better hitters at higher levels.
Ryan Wright, 2B, 22, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
(Billings) .298/.348/.522/.870, 7 HR, 32 RBI
(AZL Reds) .318/.375/.636/1.011, 1 HR, 5 RBI
Pros: Showed good power potential. Should advance fast through the system. Versatile in the field.
Cons: Could walk more. Attended a school that jch likes.
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Gabriel Rosa
He’s the Yorman of the infield.
by poojols on Jan 26, 2012 8:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I would post the cover of the Pixies' Surfer Rosa
But it has boobies and I might get in trouble.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 26, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I always liked the idea of naming a daughter Surfer Rosa
Fortunately, I am unlikely to marry an idiot.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 26, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Your future wife has a much greater chance of that.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Her second husband, of course. Not you.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Madson'd
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 26, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Garrett as well ftw
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
I just think he's too far away and way too raw
I’m not sure what to think about him yet. I do think the Reds made a great move by getting him to sign though.
MLB.com released their top 100 list.
Mesoraco was 14. Hamilton checked in at 34. Former Red Yonder Alonso clocked in at 39 while Yasmani Grandal was 68.
wouldnt thought grandal would be that far down on the list
He called me a baboon, he thinks I'm his wife.
by ThreeofSpades on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I see that Costanzo is now listed as the Bats' starting third baseman
I think this is big news and a sign of things to come for the Reds. It’s well past time to put him on this list, because I think he’s AT WORST a top-three prospect in the system. This is from Baseball Prospectus:
Costanzo has all the skills to succeed at the major league level — in fact, he has all the skills to become an All-Star at virtually any infield position. Known in his younger years as a fleet-footed power hitter, Costanzo has honed his game to become one of the greatest all-around hitters in the minors. On top of that, he provides top-flight defense — namely excellent range — at both first and third base. One Reds executive said recently the Costanzo would have already made three NL All-Star teams had he not been blocked by Joey Votto. He added, “Why do you think we traded Alonso? We have all the depth we need at first with Costanzo, and he’s much more versatile. Hell, he could even start at second if we can’t get a deal done with Phillips.” High praise indeed, and well-deserved. Look for a monster year from Costanzo after he makes the team out of Spring training.
All this, and he’s only 28. Just nothing not to like.
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
by boobs on Jan 26, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
And I just loved that time he came out of the bathroom yelling "Vandelay Industries"
and he fell down and so did his pants.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 26, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
he earned my respect last summer
when he yelled back at a drunk/slob/heckler during a game against the Indy Indians. it was great.
Brevity is the soul of wit.
I simply cannot vote for someone named Tucker.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions
At least he doesn't wear a bowtie.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 26, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I know a dog named Tucker.
I don’t even like dogs, and I think he’s pretty adorable.
by the finest muffins on Jan 26, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
My friend gas a chicolate lab named Tucker
It’s a stupid name and we both hate it. We call him Renzo instead.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's not a friend so much as a chicolate lab
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
it says "via mobile" right there!
what’s wrong with you people?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 26, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your insistence to keep phoning it in
Hyuk
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My grandpa and my baby brother are both named Tucker.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Are they the same person?
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
Time travel incest is the best
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 26, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Why is Junior Arias on the list,
but the guy he backed up, Chris Buckley, isn’t?
big dude (6’4, 220) with well-regarded defense who hit 289/372/551 as a 21 year old in Billings?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
since nobody will answer my question,
I’ll add that Hunter Pence is actually Rick Nielsen from Cheap Trick
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 26, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Does he use a quad-barreled bat?
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Sean "Chris" Buckley - like the steakhouse?
They got about the same number of PAs at BIllings. Arias is two years younger (but has more of a track record). I’d guess it’s sort of a waiting period thing with Buckley, since he’s only been in 59 pro games and turned 22 in September. Might be a serious riser though.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
He hit a home run in each of those 59 games though.
And I hear he has an inside track in the organization.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 26, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hey BeeK
could we get a list of how they’ve ranked so far? I haven’t been keeping track.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions
numerically
Brevity is the soul of wit.
by Heeringa on Jan 26, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get the German vis a vis Lutz
but why Portuguese?
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
In non related news
I like the Francis signing.
If memory serves well he was a borderline ace for COL.
I know he has been injured and ineffective. Willis was in the same boat.
So I think Francis is a great addition to rotation depth to stash in AAA and is another great low or no risk move.
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
He did have a couple of good years
But it has been a while.
Dontrelle, for all his seeming effectiveness, was 1-6 with a 5.00 ERA, 1.52 WHIP, and 4.4 BB/9 IP, and that was a huge improvement for him over his recent past.
Francis was actually better than that in KC last year, so he figures to be a good “emergency” pitcher.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 26, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think Dontrelle on a whole was better than his numbers.
I think 2 or 3 really bad outings skewed his stats.
When a player has a short season all it takes is 1 or 2 bad days to make their numbers horrible
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
really bad outings skewing stats?
/Badroyo’d
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
really good outings scoring sluts?
/Goodroyo’d
"We don't worry about the pennant much, we just like to see the boys hit it deep."
by beasleymachine on Jan 26, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Three fives...
That’s usually a winning hand. Nothing to brag about really, and you wouldn’t spend much money on it, but usually serviceable.
"Prediction is difficult, especially about the future." - BubbaFan
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Grading is so degrading.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Jan 26, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of bad outings,
check out Mike Oquist’s performance in ’98.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jan 26, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit, Garret's delivery looks dead on Chapman's.
I had to do a double take to make sure it wasn’t actually Chapman in the video.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
seems to be a bit more over the top in the delivery than chapman to me
but yeah, very similar.
Brevity is the soul of wit.
He's got a big upside!
I think I’ve voted for him three times in a row. Didn’t he only go so low because people thought he’d pick basketball, instead of baseketball?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 26, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, he is new to the sport, and he only has a fastball.
But, it is a really good fastball.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 26, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Gomes got picked up by the A's for a 1-year deal...
To make room on the 40, they DFA’d Adrian Cardenas? Why?
Got to be worth a waiver claim, right?
We’d DFA Negron to grab Cardenas, I’d think.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
by badenjr on Jan 26, 2012 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we'll DFA Negron for Ludwick first
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Then we can DFA Valaika for Cardenas
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2012 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
I'd think Carlos Fisher
would be next to go…
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
yeah
Fisher’s out of options, I believe. So if he’s not making the 25-man, they may as well outright him now.
Negron and Valaika are interesting cases. Neither seems likely to be very good, but the Reds are thin at middle infielder, and someone’s gotta play those positions in Louisville. They seem to like Valaika better, but Negron is more versatile. I’d guess Negron is more likely to clear waivers, but who knows.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Perhaps Walt is trying right now to package Negron and Fisher for a Class A prospect.
"Prediction is difficult, especially about the future." - BubbaFan
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 27, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Lamarre
Where is he in these rankings? Is he not considered top 20 anymore? or did he already get voted on?
I assume this pic should have gone under GrooveLeg's post
and not about the comment about Ryan Lamarree
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
He's not all that impressive yet.
22 years old with a ~770 OPS in Dayton. I’d like to see him make a leap of some sort next year.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
He was in Bakersfield last year (.279/.347/.371 in a league that hit .277/.349/.430)
It’s interesting that he’s being promoted so much by the organization (he was at Redsfest, I think he’s on the caravan). It’s not like he’s a potential superstar, or heck even a future big league starter. Must be a good talker.
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As I recall
he’s an incredible athlete with tools a-plenty. He stole something like 56 bases this past season.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Donald Lutz will be next
then there’s a tight grouping of Smith, Rosa, and Garrett. Then it will be Arias’ turn.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I'll be voting for Garrett assuming Lutz wins.
Any time a lefty is drafted out of high school and throws mid-high 90’s, I’m intrigued.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
I'm worried that he doesn't have much in the way of secondary stuff
Hopefully he can find at least one other plus pitch to go with his FB, or else his ceiling might just be the bullpen.
by pack_fan on Jan 26, 2012 6:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And speaking of Garrett, you have him listed as a RHP in his scouting report.\
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
Arredondo signed to 2-year deal
Dunno how much he got.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Another slow night on Red Reporter
Something interesting happen!
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
Gerardo Concepcion is close to signing
The Reds haven’t been linked to him at all, but he is a Cuban lefty who defected in Europe and his last name is Concepcion. It’s a natural fit.
There’s an article on the three big Cuban FAs coming tomorrow, but I’m hoping the Reds are at least trying with one of them. International spending is going to start being restricted in July under the new CBA.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 26, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see us signing one
but Walt has certainly surprised before.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
/AroldisChapman'd
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 26, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
It's highly unlikely
but it wouldn’t require the $8M in 2012 salary of Oswalt, while allowing the Reds to recoup some prospect power (as opposed to signing a one-year contract with a vet).
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
The biggest reason I think its unlikely
is that the money for the Chapman signing supposedly came primarily from future international budgets, so I think they’re likely short there for the next few years. Worth it, of course.
Unless you're in a pink speedo, you can go ahead and put your shirt back on
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
by ChiDa on Jan 26, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he always wears the pink speedo under his clothes just in case a situation like this comes up.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
so what's the realistic timetable here?
does barnhart have a real shot at the bigs, and if so what would be a good timetable?
I think he does, but he's a few years away
2014 at the earliest, and that’s if he tears up AA. I think that’ll be the first place that he’s really challenged, but he seems like the kind of kid that’ll be able to work through it.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jan 27, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
2014 is a real year that will really happen?
That is frightening to me for some reason.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Yeah, I could see a cup of coffee in '14
an extended look in ’15, and a fixture on the roster by ’16, if he is good enough.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
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