Reds trade for SS Wilson Valdez, extend Masset
According to the official twitter feed, the Reds have signed Nick Masset to a two-year extension ($5.5M total guaranteed) and have acquired Wilson Valdez from the Phillies for Jeremy Horst.
A little more on the Valdez trade here. That fills up the 40-man roster, so someone will have to depart the roster before the Ludwick signing is official.
UPDATE: Capping a busy day, the Reds also signed Jeff Francis to a minor league deal.
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who the Reds are working on a multi year deal with.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
He just signed for 2 years, if I'm not mistaken.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
not quite yet
they have been “close” for a couple of weeks.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Well I guess Valdez can take Janish's spot as the 13th pitcher.
I mean this move really doesn’t matter much, but looking at Valdez’s 2011 line of .249/.294/.341 line I don’t really know what he does that the Reds do not already have in house. But it is a low impact move so it is really hard to have any sorta of emotion, other than “oh”.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
depth
They needed it.
Hopefully this means no Theriot.
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I am not sure if they do
Valdez is Janish with 100 points added to his slugging percentage and worse defense. You don’t want Valdez starting every day if something happens to Cozart.
Depth doesn’t mean anything if the back ups all suck.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I'm a day late, but...
You can’t have good backups at every position, unless you want to have a Tigers level payroll.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Jan 26, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I designate this comment..
REC’D!
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
You know what it does? It's very simple.
It takes away one of the most intimidating late-inning pitching threats the Reds could face. Votto and Bruce can rest easy now.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 25, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
So was Horst.
It’s a wash.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Not really,
Horst would have never seen any action. Valdez is going to be Cozart’s backup.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jan 25, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Horst
was the worst.
"Call me old fashioned, but I think fire is magic, and it scares me a lot."
by Lucky Pierre on Jan 25, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
second is the best
Scott Rolen probably has a hairy chest
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Jan 25, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
third is for the birds
This comment is just another turd.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 25, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
"pinson" at RLN
had this to say:
We traded a bat (Horst a career 1.000 hitter) for a lights out relief pitcher (0.00 career ERA and WHIP). You’ve got to give up something to get something !
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by BubbaFan on Jan 25, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
They had to replenish the number of players whose last names start with V
after losing both Volquez and Valiquette in the last year. You can’t spell “vivacious victory” without at least 3 V’s, after all.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Making love in the Latin style
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
who wants a sour cream sanchez?!?!?!
Brevity is the soul of wit.
We have an inordinate
number of player whose name ends in “O.”
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jan 25, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
racist?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
pretty racist fact.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
noting the spellings of names?
Latin names don’t all end in O. A lot of them end in Z. And A.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
It is a slur against Ittalians!
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
the snobby country club here
is known for not allowing anyone in if their last name ends in a vowel.
That meant Italians and Eastern Europeans (Polish, etc.).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
is Y a vowel?
I was listening to an interview about Sundown Towns last weekend. It’s pretty fascinating that they still exist.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
This is where I live.
Some of the old farts are pretty racist, but it’s gotten a lot better in the last few years. My son’s 1st grade class has several kids who are black or bi-racial. Throw in all the Mexican kids and it’s way more diverse than the little town in Indiana that I grew up in.
When they start the game, they don't yell, "Work ball." They say, "Play ball." ~Willie Stargell, 1981
Which town was that?
There’s a lot of small little towns in Indiana? Connersville?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Pawnee
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 25, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Well played
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Over on the west side of the state.
Little town named Rockville.
When they start the game, they don't yell, "Work ball." They say, "Play ball." ~Willie Stargell, 1981
Ah, gotcha
I grew up on the east side of the state
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
My college fraternity was founded by Polish immigrants and Jews
when they returned from WWII, they still couldn’t get into any fraternities, so they started their own. Sort of the Misfit Toys of the Greek world. By the time I was in college, they were the biggest organization on campus and elected an openly gay fraternity president.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 25, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
So a Jew, a Pole, and a gay dude walk into a bar.
They all order a slivovitz and get three different things.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
/Santorum'd
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
country clubs have that right
they are private and everything
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 29, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Do you mean "right" as in "they are correct to do it"
or do you mean “right” as in “they are allowed to do it”?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 30, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
"All the good ones end in 'O'!"
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shut up
Raphael was clearly the best. Also, the Red one.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
You are correct, sir.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 25, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
which was the one with the forks?
I used to belt a pillow to my back and hit my sister with spatulas as a kid pretending I was him.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
that was rafael
he had little forks. Michelangelo had nunchucks, leonardo had a sword, and donatello had a stick of some sort. i’m sure there are fancy names for them all…
Rafael had sai
Leonardo had a katana, and Donatello had a bo staff. Gawd!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
little forks?
that’s offensive to my childhood!
leonardo & michelangelo were always the best to take when playing ninja turtle video games because their weapons had the most range
Donatello was the best for defeating Bebop
because you could just sit up on the ledge and crouch down. When he jumped up at you, you could hit him with the bo with no risk of injury.
Then you had to diffuse all the bombs on the dam. That sucked.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
i have never been able to defeat bebop
and it drives me crazy. (i still have that game – i actually have my nintendo hooked up to the tv.)
The only man who stop bebop is the man who started it.
Use crack rocks to lure Charlie Parker to fight for your side.
leonardo was the one i used the most
i always gave him the best secondary weapon, too, but now i can’t remember what it was. boomerangs? because you didn’t lose those. i gave Michelangelo the chinese stars, donatello the kais (they were called kais, right?), and raphael… well, i didn’t like his little forks so he got leftovers.
Michelangelo, Donatello, Leonardo...
FUCK YOU, RAPHAEL. FUCK YOU TO PIECES.
"Call me old fashioned, but I think fire is magic, and it scares me a lot."
by Lucky Pierre on Jan 25, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Agree, it's sensible
The arb bid/ask was 2.1 and 2.9. Masset had one more year of arb left. This more or less splits the difference for ‘12 and locks in ’13 at a reasonable rate. And as I’ve said before, I think Masset is a good bounceback candidate.
word
I like it as well.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
especially with Marshall and Madson’s contracts up after this season.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing to complain about
nothing to get excited over
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
This move all but guarantees Frazier will start the year in Louisville, right?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Does that include Janish?
Or are both Janish and Frazier in AAA now?
the roster math
is brutal. Janish and Frazier are likely minor league depth now, barring an unexpected trade or injury.
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To me, Cairo is the biggest issue
Don’t get me wrong, he’s done well for the Reds. But what does he do that END doesn’t? The organization loves END and he’ll almost certainly be on the opening day 25-man. But him and Cairo are redundant. Cut Cairo, eat his salary, and give his roster spot to Frazier, if you ask me
END bats lefty.
There, that’s it.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
It's END that's ulimately gumming up the works
He doesn’t have any position versatility, while Valdez and Cairo can both back-up at third.
But if END is your best Rolen back-up and playing more than once a week, it doesn’t make sense to have both Cairo, when Frazier could back-up at 2B/3B AND play OF, with more upside.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
and getting Ludwick instead of, say, Damon
means that END will (and really HAS to) be on the 25 man due to his leftiness.
We can debate the merits of that all we want on here, but we all know that is a major necessity in Dusty’s mind: the LH bench bat with power.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
"We can debate the merits of that all we want on here, but we all know that is a major necessity in Dusty’s mind: ___ "
Seems to me we need to have a way to write this in shorthand.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Dustyglyphics
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
It would be even more appropriate
if he were to bury Cairo at the bottom of the organizational pyramid. Ha cha cha cha!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I can see the merits of END on the team
and also having another true SS to back-up behind Cozart. But Cairo does become redundant if he’s third string 3B – essentially just the back-up 2B. Frazier would give you more flexibility.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
but
Frazier has options.
I also think there’s a good chance the Cairo plays better than Frazier in a utility role. It’s difficult for a young player still adjusting to the big leagues to play only a couple of times a week.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, I agree.
Frazier was not going to get playing time on the reg. anyway, so what’s the difference? Let him get ab’s in AAA.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Frazier is 26 this season and has 2,217 PAs in the minors
If he’s not going to be a starter any time soon, he needs to start being a role-player at some point – which he had the chance to do over the last third of the season in 2011.
I don’t think Frazier v. Cairo has hardly any impact on the fate of this season, but it gives you a more flexible roster. He gives you another LF option and right-handed pop off the bench that Cairo and Valdez do not.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
It seems as if the org. has no faith in him.
So, he’s likely doomed.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think reserve players have more impact than you think
If the Reds are in win now mode, then Cairo instead of Frazier is a no-brainer, IMO. The guy who knows how to be a utility guy vs. the guy you hope will learn now. (Ideally, they’ll use him in that role in Louisville, so he can get used to it.)
Plus, Frazier has options. Cairo doesn’t. If Rolen or Cairo end up on the DL, Frazier will be called up. I fully expect this to happen.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I keep Cairo just because he is in the final year of his deal
You feel awfully silly if you dump players because you think you can replace them in house, and later in the season injuries and what not have caused you to be deficient at that position.
Remember the time the Reds DFA’d Dave Williams, who had options, and ended up having to use guys like Chris Mickalakakakakakakakakak in a playoff drive?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
They traded Williams for Robert Manuel,
who gave the Reds 4 scoreless relief innings. I don’t remember much about that trade. Williams was pretty awful so it wasn’t any great shakes to lose him, even if he did have options.
Obviously, you wouldn't lose Cairo for nothing
And I think he’s a productive player, etc, so there’s really no problem having him on the team. But it’s not anything close to a slam-dunk that he makes more sense, esp given the roster as a whole. If you bench players are important and every edge counts in win-now mode, you want to optimize your roster.
His experience various positions in his minor league career + his experience last season + his age/upside/very recent Top 50 prospect status is plenty to qualify him as a role-player on a contender. At a certain point, more reps at AAA becomes counterproductive.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Though he's still green, Frazier has the ability to crush lefties
that I think Heisey and Ludwick don’t offer – let alone Valdez and Cairo. He’s more useful off the bench for that reason and would be more versatile than any other player on the team, with the possible exception of Valdez.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Also, you're right about the likelihood of Frazier getting a call-up
so it wouldn’t make sense to remove Cairo, unless he helped make a deal that in some way improved the Opening Day roster.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I don't think it's Frazier that makes Cairo expendable
but rather Valdez. Valdez is essentially Miguel Cairo who can play SS and not hit quite as well.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
You mean
can’t hit anything close to as well.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
and still look like Ted Williams compared to Paul Janish
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
HmmmThere's Cozart and Jannish and in a pinch Frazier and even Cairo for a late inning replacement...
Why do we have Valdez?
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
IMO
No. The point is depth.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Cairo
is not END. Cairo can play any infield position, and corner OFer in a pinch. He’s your classic utility guy.
END is Rolen’s backup, because the old guy can’t play every day, and might end up on the DL again. He can only play 3B, maybe some corner OF. If BP needs a day off, Dusty won’t be penciling END’s name in at 2B.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
If END can play a little LF
and gets used at 3B against tough righties – rather than just whenever Rolen needs a rest – he’ll make more sense.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
4 outfielders is a roster issue
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Eh
END can OF in a real pinch, and so can Cairo. I’m sure Valdez can, too. It’s not a big deal.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I am just amazed at the lack of outfield depth, in general.
I don’t really understand why the Reds haven’t looked for a guy like Balentien, who they can stash in AAA.
Who would have thought in 2002 when the Reds had 900000000 mlb outfielders, and 4 good ones, that one day they would have a shortage. Somewhere Jim Bowden is sobbing.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
it is
But they did that last year. When they broke camp, they had 4 OFers. The same four we’re likely to have this year, except Gomes has been swapped for Ludwick.
Rolen is the real problem, IMO. We have to carry two third basemen, because he’s old and tired.,
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
But if you had Frazier instead of Cairo
you’d have a legitimate 5th OF. And Valdez/Frazier could both back-up 2B.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
While it would streamline and optimize the roster
it would be at the cost of a good player.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Well someone has to go
Although, unless they’re working on a trade, it shouldn’t be anyone other than Kris Negron.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Also, the 40-man is full...and I don't think Ludwick is officially official yet.
Something’s gotta give.
You're right
Someone is getting outrighted. Which could make this move look worse.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Arroyo and Janish for the cash to sign Oswalt?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yes
Someone is going to have to be booted off the roster.
Assuming Valdez gets a roster spot.
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He's already listed on the Reds' 40-man
but Ludwick is not.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
weird
What’s the holdup with Ludwick?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yoenis Cespedes deal, I'd guess
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn't really make sense
But I just really want to call him the Human Cespedes.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Probably not.
He’s advertised as the hitting version of Chapman.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
Maybe when he's in the lineup you feel surprisingly satisfied?
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say both
if they are planning to hang on to Cairo and Francisco. And they’ll have to run with four outfielders (Valdez as emergency 5th OF) to accommodate Francisco.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if Cozart goes down for a while
We better hope that Wilson-Phillips can hold on
by cincywest on Jan 25, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
I was just about to suggest this as a nickname
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
BP and Exxon in the middle infield
Talk about a slick defense!
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
and Rolen is clearly the sergeant of the team
y’know, with the most Chevrons.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
slick enough to kill el birdos!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
That’s my only reaction to this news. And it’s a good reaction at that.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Valdez hits for a touch more pop than Janish
and roughly the same defense. Given the age difference, I’d say they’re interchangeable. I don’t think there’s any way Valdez has options left, so he basically makes Janish into SS depth.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:26 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I think they are both basically SS depth
which we needed. So yeah.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Oh he plays good defense?
I didn’t look him up, I just assumed given his age his defense isn’t that good.
Well that is something.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Well he has decent defensive stats but you have to assume he does, right?
I know SS position is pretty terrible across the league, but it’s difficult to imagine him staying in the league otherwise with that slash line.
Plenty of guys like Juan Castro
who can’t hit and played good defense when they were young, continue to get MLB jobs into their mid to late 30s because of their defensive reputations.
I know nothing about Valdez, I probably made a faulty assumption.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Omar Vizquel is 72 with a major league deal.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Too old, check your facts next time.
Omar is only 68
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
His wife thinks he's a year older.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 25, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
counting the rings
during his physical they found out he was 62 but his real name was Brendan Ryan Sr.
"Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider." -George Carlin
Fangraphs
doesn’t seem overly impressed with his glove.
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BBREF gave him negative dWAR last year
but in 2010 he was 1.3 WAR on defense.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
That seems like maybe an anomaly
Though he could be losing a step. He has a good reputation as a fielder. The metrics have him down as plus.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
at his age
He is definitely losing a step.
He’ll be 34 this year. If the rule about not signing a middle infielder to a big contract past age 32 is correct, then his dropoff is entirely expected.
But it’s okay. Cozart is the starter, not Valdez.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I would have preferred signing someone better than Janish
or at least someone with options. I don’t know who I’d rather see start if Cozart went down.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
shortstopv2
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 25, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes?
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
i was talking to you
i was talking about you
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Sounds like a Pavement song
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I was unable to write that properly
*I wasn’t talking to you
I was talking about you
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
that one is correct.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Walt might not be done shopping yet
We could still end up with Theriot!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
doesnt look awful
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
Solid defender. Cannon for an arm.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 25, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Is Valdez
insurance if Cozart isn’t ready to start the season, or more of a backup for Cozart bumping Janish down to third on the SS totem pole?
Janish has options
I’d guess Valdez doesn’t.
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and even if Valdez does
he has enough service time he has to approve a demotion doesn’t he?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I dunno
He’s old, but he hasn’t spent that much time in the big leagues for a guy his age.
Must be out of options, though, looking at the time he’s spent in the minors.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
and with the Marshall acquisition (and presumably a reasonable bouncebck from DoJo)
he may well have been the 6th best lefty in the upper organization.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we'll miss him
They DFA’d him in December. He cleared waivers and was outrighted to Louisville.
So, we got Valdez for a guy any team in the league could have gotten just by making a waiver claim.
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Replacement level-y
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Mahay, Zavada, and I think some other lefty were all above him on the depth chart.
It’s tough to feel too bad about losing your #7 LOOGY
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Is that a challenge?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
~400 comments say I would lose it.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
So the roster i is pretty much set with
Rotation
Cueto
Latos
Leake
Arroyo
Bailey
Bullpen
Madson
Marshall
Masset
Ondrusek
LeCure
Arredondo
Bray
Lineup
C-Meso
1B-Votto
2B-Phillpis
SS-Cozart
3B-Rolen
LF-Ludwick
CF-Stubbs
RF-Bruce
Reserves
Hannigan
Cairo
Francisco
Heisey
Valdez
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Reds should go ahead and keep
either Ondrusek or Lecure in AAA. Ondrusek because he stinks. Lecure to start games and keep his innings up in case Bailey and/or Chapman gets hurt.
Nevermind
Dusty Baker is our coach and burns through relievers like Prince Fielder goes through a Golden Coral.
by cincywest on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LeCure is much better in relief
and how does Ondrusek stink?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Stink was probably too much
Mediocre is a better adjective for Ondrusek. His peripherals all scream it. What does he do well as a pitcher? He’s wild, he doesn’t strike people out, and his babip was lower than league average. His future isn’t too bright.
Lecure may be a better reliever than a starter, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have more value to the Reds as a AAA starter. At best, he’s pretty much fighting for the #5 or #6 relief spot, right? So he’s the guy they bring in the 6th or 7th innings, or in mop up jobs. How much is that guy really worth?
If he begins the year as a starter in AAA, if a reliever goes down, he can slide right into the slot the same way he did last year. As a reliever, If he is forced back into the rotation, he’ll have to build up arm strength, which can take quite a while.
Ondrusek gets a lot of ground balls
which is how he gets outs with pedestrian K/9 and BB/9 numbers.
He is one of those guys, who throws really hard with a lot of sink, and he trades strike outs for ground outs.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
and those guys generally outpitch their peripherals
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
especially when they're as tall as Lurch is.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
See Wong
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I mean Wang
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
That sounds like a proposition
If Logan can get his walk rate lower, he can be successful. He’s still the weakest pitcher in the bullpen, though. His ERA may always outperform his FIP, but that can’t be too difficult when the FIP is 4.40+
He does need to get it down, it was too high last year
but when it was 3/9 in 2010, that wasn’t that far above where you would like to see it. He only has two years of big league experience, so hopefully he will make some adjustments and get his command under control.
For what it is worth, his command seemed really bad right around when he went on the D.L., he was used very heavily and liek Masset he wore down last year, so I think his high walk numbers may go down a bit if the starting pitching is better, and he isn’t needed 3 times a week to bail the team out and try and salvage a win after a short start.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
y'know
I didn’t realize Lurch’s peripherals were quite as scary as that. I stand corrected on that front. I do think stink is strong, but color me wary.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Both his and Masset's control collapsed last year
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
yeah, but Lurch has had around a 3.5 BB/9 for his career
As long as it’s under 4, I’m OK with it.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Worth noting he led the team in IBBs
If you take out those, his K/BB is right about 2/1. Which is okay for a groundballer, and pretty good for the back-end of the ’pen.
man, you just cracked an egg of knowledge all over my head
perspective is a good thing, folks. I don’t know how I feel about him now.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
/Ramona Quimby, Age 8'd
(anyone?)
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Quimby, eh?
There’s Clancy, Sarah, Ralph…never heard of a Ramona
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Ramona Geraldine Quimby
Character in a series of books by children’s author Beverly Cleary.
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"I can't believe I ate the whole thing!"
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
"I bent my wookie"
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
turn on the donzer!
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by BubbaFan on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Logan is very young, and very tall.
He is still leaning to pitch. He could post an amazing year this year.
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 25, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Do we have the tallest bullpen in baseball? I'd bet on it.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 25, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
take a flier on Chris Young while you're at it!
AAA filler unless he’s truly healthy, in which case he’s a steal!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
So, Chapman for sure to AAA then.
OK, I guess. As long as he keeps getting starts.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Bailey is out of options, and there is no room for him or Chapman in the bullpen
unless they decide it is worth sending LeCure or Ondrusek down to keep Chapman and Bailey on the roster.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
most likely
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 25, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
any roster that does not include Chapman is likely wrong
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 25, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
But not as wrong as a roster that does include Chapman!
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I really wanna take this bet
but Walt might just be crazy enough to have Chapman on the OD roster even without injuries.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Wilson, eh?
I kind of wish his batting average was higher by about Fourteen Points, a-hahaha.
by andromache on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Valdez is actually making less than Janish this year, too.
$560K to $800K.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
wait, that was last year.
Valdez is making $930K this year.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
With regrets.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Speaker Boner is a Reds fan..I'm am crying with him over this latest retread signing of Wilson Valdez.
May only one of a few times that Mr. Speaker and I have been in agreement…
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Someday there will be a transaction that you like.
I don’t know what it is. To be honest, I couldn’t even guess. But I know it’s not trading for a 1/2 pitcher, a mop-up reliever, or signing a utility man or backup outfielder.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 25, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
a half a pitcher, a mop-up reliever, a utlity and a backup OF?
C’mon, Q-totes, Valdez is all of the above!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Amazing!
Well done, sir.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 26, 2012 12:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mads, c'mon.
He’s not a re-tread. He’s a spare tire. (The only reason he’s played in ~60% of Phillie games over the past two years is because Rollins and Utley had significant injuries.)
And Walt didn’t go out and sign him. He traded a nearly valueless LOOGY for some steady utility infield depth.
You don’t have to like Wilson Valdez but you really should know what it is there is to like about him before you decide to ignore it and not like him anyway.
If you wanna be all grumpy senior citizen Reds fan about it, just call him “that Dominican kid we got from Philly to back up Cozart” and then lean forward in your La Z Boy so one of us can hand you a warm beer and a tissue and wait to make eye contact with you so we can quietly point to our face in the hope that you’ll understand that to mean that you have a little piece of chicken or something stuck in your unevenly shaven third-day stubble.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Fine. Alan. Fine
Meanwhile he falls into the Dusty Vet-Presence-Zone and that usually means a guy like Frazier sits or a guy like Cozart has a short leash.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Well, Frazier won't sit because he'll be in AAA
and I’d be shocked if Cozart didn’t play most of the games
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Its a fucking crime that Frazier isn't getting a shot at playing over:
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
He's got some VP, that's for sure.
You don’t sub for Utley and Rollins for two seasons without acquiring some of that. And he has something else this team needs.. playoff experience. And he’s about as dark as Dominicans come so he’s not gonna wear down in the sun.
Now, if he had a wife with a newborn we might really have something special here.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
"We already have a National League"
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Nerds, all of you
The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer
by DerekH91 on Jan 25, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In other news, the Cards settle with Motte.
by FordhamRam on Jan 25, 2012 4:45 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
x
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
by shortstopv2 on Jan 25, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
wait...
what?
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
When is Hamilton's ETA?
We got a stop-gap shortstop on today and yet we’ll need another stop-gap shortstop again and again, no?
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
Wilson isn't a stop gap starter, he's a backup.
I’d imagine the plan is for Cozart to be here until Hamilton is ready.
Also, I know next to nothing about Valdez. Does he play anything in the infield besides SS?
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
Yeah
3B, SS, 2B and OF in a pinch. That’s pretty good, I guess.
Yep
Valdez may suck. But he’ll at least suck at multiple positions.
by cincywest on Jan 25, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i lol'd
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
not true
it was inside so i loi’d?
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
Conservative Unite Money Bombed?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 25, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
thats not it
what about ltm’d (laughed to myself)?
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
HEY! I'm rec'n cincywest.
Aaaand I’m drinkin.’
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
yooo ain't drinkin'
yooo ain’t livin’!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I did this the first night I met the erstwhile Man Mountain
One of the best meetings of a person I’ve ever had.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever happened to that guy/persona?
Last I remember, he was popping up in a Reposter to make a Pavement reference.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
New album.
Got married too, I think.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so jealous.
I’ve only ever drank Irish drinking songs once and it was almost as great as it would have been had I been drinking Irish drinking songs with you and Man Mountain.
I can’t wait for my sons to start drinking with me.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
New album.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Got married too, I think.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Put these up there, would ya?
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
now if they'll bring you a warm beer in your La-Z-Boy
you’ll be all set.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Blow me.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am confused
Is Madville computer savvy enough to hack Fat Vegas Alan’s account?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
who cares?!
All I know is that I like golf a lot more now than I did 10 minutes ago.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Oh no so sexy, you must stop.
Far too sexy. Please spare me from the sexy.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
Damn it Alan...you are going to censured for this kind of deroagtory posting of an underage girl with a rod in her hand.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Jan 26, 2012 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
HLM'd
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 26, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
this is goin' green
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 30, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
20, ahem
dick
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 30, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
she's muscling up on that 3 iron
so of course her face is all scrunched up
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 30, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'd have bet my house Madville posted this.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 28, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
You think there'll be anything at all easy about Dusty getting rid of that veteran's presence?
“He got me some pheasant.”
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
I find it really hard to dislike this man
try as he might
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Jan 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd.
He’s just so damn personable and likable, even if he’s infuriating sometimes.
by the finest muffins on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I could see Cozart shifting to 2B in 2 years when Billy Billy is ready.
Assuming we decide not to spend $50 million on BP.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see any of that
the future is way too cloudy for both of them.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yoda?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Ehhhh I dunno
I’d think it’d be the other way around. Cozart is a stud defensively, and Speedy Sir Quix is questionable at the position. If anything, Billy would slide over
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Reds have a starting SS, right?
This guy/Janish won’t have to do any stop gapping unless things go wrong. That’s impossible!
I think it depends
if Cozart turns into a respectable starting SS or not. If he does, the Reds will probably be fine with Janish as a backup.
If Cozart crashes and burns, then yeah, we’ll probably need another stop-gap.
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Didi will be ready before Hamilton
by poojols on Jan 25, 2012 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
except
He can’t hit. And can’t seem to stay healthy.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
He had a kidney issue last year. More of an illness than an injury. Has he had a history of injury previously?
Also, we Reds fans have been kinda spoiled as far as SS hitting goes. Barry Larkin is a HOF’er. We’re probably not gonna see another SS like him in a Reds uniform. Maybe we should recalibrate our SS hitting expectometer.
not sure what his injury history is
But you look at his stats, and he’s only played something resembling a full minor league season once (in 2010). I’m curious about whether he’s injury prone, or if the kidney thing is a chronic problem.
And his minor league OPS is lower than Janish’s. He’s still quite young, of course, but I wouldn’t pencil him in as the starter just yet.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Somewhere
Paul Janish weeps silently in the corner.
by crolfer on Jan 25, 2012 5:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Like all the other kids who can't hit a lick.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nah.
Valdez knows he can’t hit and he knows he’s just been traded to his seventh MLB team. At age 33. He’s not weeping. He’s living the dream.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Like Kevin Millar said,
You can only play for that many teams by being wanted.
Willis’d
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
Aaron Miles and Mike Morgan must be HOFers.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
that $850,000
the Reds are paying him should console him.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
He's very trade-able...
If we need that $1MM at the All-Star break.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 25, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
that
will probably depend on how well he’s hitting in Louisville.
Or Cincinnati, if he’s called up.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That might work until teams looked at his major league numbers.
As fans we fall for fool’s gold like good minor league numbers from hitters who have proven to be shitty, but teams generally won’t.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
But his major league numbers were ... acceptable in 2010. It's not out of the range of possibility that a team could half-believe it was a bad year.
Like said below, Yuniesky Betancourt has a job, so…
If Yunesky Betancourt can find a job
Paul Janish should at least be made his superior. Or something like that.
wow
That is amazing, where did that come from?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 25, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Not me. I take no credit for anything but a GIS.
Who here should I properly attribute this to?
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
It was
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
HT to Slyde, then.
I bequeath my two recs to him.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Sup Beek?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Livin' the dream, watching the MLBN minor league thing
Sup KMiB?
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Doin' the same exact thing.
Seems like they’re psyched on Billy Billy Billy.
Of course, seems like they’re also sold on Alonso, too.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
The Alonso part was painful to watch
They’re very high on the players from this year’s draft, which is odd to me
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
yeah, I noticed that.
But at the same time, maybe that means we got a steal with Stephenson that late.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't make their list!
Shenanigans!
They are more excited about Hamilton than I am though, so I’m pretty happy with that.
Then again… Jon Daniels is one of their “experts”
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
very true.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
No, it was John Hart actually
The other former Rangers guy
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by BK on Jan 26, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
can someone please superimpose Joe West into the corner of this?
It would make for my favorite thing ever.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
cozart is our defensive ss
i like valdez starting over janish if cozart goes down…seems like valdez could provide more bat
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
Mike Leake could provide more bat than Janish.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
Looks like
Keppinger is going to be a Ray.
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teh Fay
talked to Jocketty about the signings, and Votto.
On Valdez: "We like his versatility. He’s a guy who can play good defense at second, short or third. His offensive numbers aren’t that good. But he’s a guy who has hit well in tough situations, come up with big hits. And he’s been part of a winning program."
On Votto:
I think Joey would like to stay. We haven’t opened up dialogue yet. But, hopefully, we’ll be able to sign and keep him here a while."
Walt says they’re not done yet. They want more depth at starting pitcher and outfield. Sounds like he’s not expecting to spend a lot, though.
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Prolly overthinking this here but..
when the GM says “I think Joey would like to stay.” that means:
A] He hasn’t been told that it’s unlikely Joey will stay.
and
B] He hasn’t been told that he shouldn’t say anything about it that might piss Joey and his agent off.
So those are good things.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think he'd say that no matter what
Why crush the hopes of the fans (and squelch the all-important jersey sales), even if he knows Joey’s being traded in 12 months? And why lower Joey’s value by announcing that Joey hates Cincinnati and hell will freeze over before he stays past his current contract? (Not saying that that’s the situation – just that even if it was, Walt would say what he said.)
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the "I think" is a cover-your-ass qualifier
although I do think it’s weird that he would put words in Joey’s mouth without having at least an inkling that they’re true
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Dave Cameron had some strong words regarding the Reds and Votto
when asked a question about how the Prince deal affected it, he responded:
It ended any chance the Reds have of keeping him. He’ll be traded within the next 12 months no matter what the Reds do
I think that’s a little naive
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It's just stupid the way people are linking Fielder and Votto.
We knew what the market was like for awesome 1Bs before Fielder signed, and lo and behold he confirmed it. Nothing to see here, folks.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 25, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
And, with Votto probably set to get more than even him, that establishes that he's way out of our price range.
The only thing I’m wondering is whether it was prudent to keep Votto for these two years, or if it would have been more productive to flip him for an ace and keep all the good players and prospects the Reds gave up (including the only other good 1B option in the organization.)
But we had this conversation plenty of times after the Latos trade, and no matter what I feel really good about this team over the next two years.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
Votto will make $19M next year
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Pujols is averaging $25 million per year over the next ten.
That probably puts him at, what, at least $33-35 million in the last couple years assuming his contract is backloaded as one would expect? Even being very liberal (joke not intended :)) in adjusting for inflation, that would take up at least a third of the Reds payroll. No way the Reds could take on a contract anywhere near that.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
I don't know, Votto is a great player
you get what you pay for.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I think the Reds will make a run at signing him to a shorter contract with high annual pay, before he his a free agent.
But if the Reds can’t keep him, I hope he signs the biggest contract in the history of baseball.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 25, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If he ends up signing the biggest contract in history
That means he puts up historic numbers the next two years and leads us to the promised land.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 26, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
That's a little strong, but it might be true.
Votto should, by all logic, get a better contract than Fielder or probable even Albert. No way the Reds can afford it.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
If we offered him 25M per for 12 Yr today, do you think he would take it?
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 25, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely he would
that’s an unprecedented contract. That’s $300m. No way in hell the Reds or anyone should shell out that much in money OR years
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
You are right
But it also buys out the last two years, so it takes him to his age 40 season.
BTW I am just playing here, no way this happens in my mind.
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 25, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Shit. I'm going to be 40 in 12 years?
That’s scary. I completely understand where Joey’s coming from with his “long-term contracts are scary” comment now.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
me too!
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 25, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Late 20s high five!
But…not as much as we used to. Just sometimes, on the weekends. But usually just the three-day weekends. Gotta have the extra time to recuperate nowadays.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I turn 31 in 49 weeks
Godlord.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
"And put some god damned alcohol in it this time"
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 26, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Had to change it up, no one drinks gin and cranberry juice
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
you first, then I'll try it if you don't die
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I've had it. It's fine.
Not a big gin guy, but if you’ve got nothing else…..And cran is as good a mixer as any for it I suppose.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
you're ruining good sapphire?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Do they serve Sapphire at the Machine Room?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
If I make it to Game 2
it’s on me.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Are we packing a Columbus car again for Game 2?
If so, I’m in again.
Dirt Bikes!
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 26, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Aww, man. Dude.
Do you have any idea where that hand has been?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
based on the markings,
western kentucky or alabama
Dirt Bikes!
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Not everybody in Alabama wears camouflage hats, dude
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Right
and those are ones who get found and eaten by bears. And the skunk ape.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
And the skunk rape.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
/high five
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by BK on Jan 26, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I said this once at a Padres game,
then ended up over-served.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh, how am I the first to rec this
#TeamMads
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jan 26, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be 53,
with one kid out of college, two kids in college and a 12 year-old. I should have worn a rubber!
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jan 25, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Just smash your boys in the car door a couple times
That usually works
Pfsshaw..
College is so 1993.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I am going to be 75 in 122 years
Fuck Joey Votto.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm not convinced Votto gets a bigger contract than Pujols or Fielder
Maybe even smaller. Fielder hit the FA market at the ripe age of 27, while Votto will be FA-eligible at the age of 30. I would think that would result in him getting less years. Pujols got a long deal, but he came up at a younger age than Joey, and has accomplished more. Fielder has began at a younger age than Votto. As little sense as it makes, he got paid for what he did in the past just as much as for what he’ll do over the next 10 years. I just don’t see Votto making that much more per year than Fielder or Pujols.
Respect my authoritah!
If Votto produces 4 straight seasons of 5-6+ WAR
It’ll be to see him not making more than Fielder. It does depend on which teams are in the market somewhat. I for one won’t be too surprised if he’s a Dodger or Ranger.
I agree.
Also, Fielder and Pujols hit a lot more dingers than Votto does. Votto isn’t a 40 HR guy like Howard, Pujols, Fielder are, and partly because of that, he isn’t as marketable as those three either. It’s entirely likely he will out-WAR those guys over the span of those contracts, but I bet he gets paid less than Fielder/Pujols/Howard.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I hate to have to agree with him
within the next 12 months is slightly restrictive perhaps, but he’s gone within two years.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Or sooner.
I don’t really think Votto wants to be in backwater Cincinnati any longer than necessary. Plus Bob can’t afford him if has any kind of a year next year.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Seems like he might want precisely to be in a backwater.
He is probably the most publicity shy, reluctant superstar we’ve ever seen.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 25, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I seriously have a little bit of fear for his health if he goes to a huge market.
I think he could be alright at this point because he’s matured, but playing in New York or LA adds a ton of pressure. Anxiety disorders are no joke, and it could be bad for him to be thrust into that type of spotlight.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
I think he would do well in LA
He’d be the 426th biggest star in a town that doesn’t give a shit about baseball.
But yeah, he should stay in Cincy.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well
if Cuban or someone likes him buys the team and creates a regional network, that could change. But at least he’d have Kemp to share the load. I think Votto would be awesome there too.
Shit. I’d have to become a Dodgers fan. :(
Kemp got some insane long-term contract this year, right?
He’ll be getting paid comparably to Fielder.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, that sounds a lot like what I'd want to pay Joey
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
You're gonna need some Bose noise cancelling headphones if you're offering that to kill the roar of laughter
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
yeah.
Kemp got that contract a year after putting up a .249/.310/.450 line over a full season.
I guess that might get it done if Joey slipped into full-on suckitude in 2012, but I’m not sure I’d like that option.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
can't really compare joey to kemp
kemp was 27 when he signed. Joey will be 30. And Kemp plays a premium position while Joey plays probably the least premium position there is
which should theoretically drive his price down
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
But doesn't seem to in the least
judging by the recent deals for 1B
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Fielder really took advantage of his walk year
If he had put up his ‘10 numbers again (sub .500 SLG, 135 OPS+), he’s not getting close to $200M. I seem to remember he was sick or something at the start of that year, but he’s also been alternatiing good with great years since he entered the league.
Here's what I keep wondering..
(and I know jch hates it when we keep wondering and restating the same thing again and again..)
What if Walt offers Joey $150-180M right now? Before he even steps on the field for 2012 and puts his health and future performace at risk. Doesn’t that
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
kind of offer maybe move the final number ~$15M in the Reds' favor?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
MLBTR
is also wondering.
If the Reds wanted to lock the 2010 NL MVP up now, I expect it would cost at least seven additional years for $23MM or so per season. Adding a $161MM commitment to the $26.5MM on Votto’s current contract would keep Votto in Cincinnati through his age 36 season — the same age through which Gonzalez, Fielder, Howard and Teixeira are under contract.
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I know Walt's been busy but
this just has to be on his drawing board or on the back of an envelope or on his iPad or something right now, doesn’t it?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I was guessing sidewalk chalk on the Reds' 4-square court.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
They're fucked then, it's been raining for the last 24 hours or so
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Nuh uh
the sidewalk chalk is indoors. Duh.
Geez, they’re not a minor league franchise, you know.
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I thought the indoor 4-square court was Junior's and he had it pulled up and took it to Chicago.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have a buddy who has a fully-painted 4-square arena in his back yard.
We play really intense games, no joke.
"If she’s already pregnant, you’re gold." - Hawkeye00
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
teh fay
has an interview with Castellini. He says Walt’s been working on signing Joey to a long-term deal for awhile.
BobC once again said it depends on ticket sales. So if you want Joey to stick around, buy tickets!
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"And some bananas, shweetheart."
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather buy tickets
I hate bananas.
That last spring training game thing they just announced sounds pretty cool. Something for the fans who can’t make it down to Goodyear.
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this thing
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2012/01/26/reds-officially-announce-april-3-exhibition/
Okay, it’s not quite as cool as that AA home run derby in Reading, PA, but it sounds like fun. I’d buy a ticket if I lived in Cincinnati.
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I went to one of the Indians games in 2003 when they were giving the new stadium a dry run before OD
I remember freezing my ass off as a cold wind whipped through that place.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
the same thing can happen on opening day.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
damn.....I can drink $65 worth of booze in two-three hours, how about you?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I just called the box office
The guy I spoke with said that it would indeed include food and booze. It’s on bitches!
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
oh man, this is fantastic news
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
it certainly is
I am all over this like stink on shit.
Thanks Bubba!
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
easily
especially @ Gordo’s
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 30, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
The banana thing is a fallacy.
Lindner’s produce fortune was solely in bananas. Castellini trades in all fruit. So whatever fruit you like, buy that. Are you a kiwi gal? Do you like oranges? Do you like apples? How do you like them apples?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 26, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Vegetables too, right?
Kale!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I cuss!
You cuss! We all cuss for asparagus!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lookout for the Kale Train!
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
The owner wants fans to buy tickets?
Weird strategy.
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I agree
There might actually be less attention/pressure if he’s just one among many stars on a big-market team, rather than being the big fish in the small pond of a small market team.
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I don't think so at all.
It’s one thing to be the “star” of a local franchise.
It’s a whoooole other discussion to be the “dude making $180 million” of a local franchise.
Once that kind of money gets involved, the jealousy/criticism levels escalate to obscene proportions. The bigger the market, the bigger the scrutiny.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
If Griffey went to New York and had all those injuries it wouldn’t have seemed so bad and he since he wasn’t the savior brought in to go to World Series, the fans won’t view him as destroying their teams playoff chances for the length of his contract.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Carl Pavano made like $48 million
and was seemingly the most reviled man in sports thanks to playing (or not playing) for the Yankees
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
But a bunch of weird stuff happened, and I don't think he handled things as well as he could have
Like if I remember correctly, he missed time because he was in a car accident, didn’t report it to the team medical staff, and made his injury more severe while be completely ineffective.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
he was scorned
more by his teammates than by the fans, though it spilled over a bit.
I don’t think he was really hated. No one was expecting him to lead the Yankees to victory. He was looked down on, more than hated.
I think fans were angrier about Kevin Brown. The expectations were higher for him.
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but
If the Reds are going to keep Joey, they are going to have to pay him. He’ll be the guy making $180 million in Cincinnati, or the guy making $180 million in Boston or New York.
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Double that number.
Seriously.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
I dunno
Maybe if there’s a lot of salary inflation.
But I wonder if the new CBA will squelch that. Both the Yankees and the Red Sox are supposedly cutting payroll to get under the limit, because they don’t like the new rules.
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He's getting more than Fielder, for damn sure.
I’m legitimately afraid that some kind of 10/$300M offer from Toronto will be our competition. What would stop them from doing that? They threw half that much at Vernon fucking Wells.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
I think you answered your own question
30/yr isn’t happening. But 25 ain’t too far off.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Alex Anthopoulos
doesn’t sign contracts longer than something like 5 or 6 years. It’s Toronto team policy now. The Wells contract was signed when J.P. Ricciardi was G.M..
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
If that's what it takes to get a hometown boy, wouldn't they at least be freeing up money for that right now?
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Why would Toronto go against team policy for a hometown boy?
That would seem to go against Anthopoulos’ way of doing things.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
How many other MVP first basemen have come out of Toronto?
They’d have to make an exception to their policy to get that done, but that’s what it’d take and Joey’s a once-in-a-generation player for them.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
hrm, I guess Morneau is from outside Vancouver...
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
First, Fielder's contract was only so high because Illitch pushed for it.
Second, Joey Votto is going to be a free agent at about the same age Pujols was. However, Pujols is definitely a better player than Joey Votto.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out
But I do still think that he’s worth more to Toronto (and the Reds, for that matter) than any other team out there. Also, he’ll be two years younger than Pujols was, which will mean more dough.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Even if he is worth more, then there's still no need
to pay higher than market rate. There’s no need to give him a 10/$300M contract when something shorter and cheaper will suffice.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
i dispute that
pujols has had a better career, but I don’t think he’s currently “definitely” a better player than joey votto.
i think that right now, votto is at least as good as pujols. also, there are much less questions about votto’s real age.
by 'tHan on Jan 26, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
what, you don't think Canadians can fake their birth certificates?
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and the only speculation about Pujols is because of where he comes from
There’s little evidence besides where he was born.
I think both are the ages they say they are.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
whether it's valid or not, the speculation is there
i’m not saying pujols has lied about his age, i’m just saying some people think he may have
"Speculation with no evidence is the essence of bullshit" - Confucius
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by Slyde on Jan 26, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"I just love doing it doggy style"
-Abraham Lincoln
by crolfer on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
this one seems legit
I mean, have you seen Mary Todd?
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by Slyde on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yet he kept his hat on
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Bagwell'd
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 26, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Bagwell didn't do steroids.
But he loved to rape sportswriters.
Am I doing this right?
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think team policies get thrown out the window when there's a super-duper star
Also, a deal like Fielders or Vottos is driven by the owners more than management. If the owners are convinced that Votto’s the meal ticket, they’ll get it done.
That's how Toronto ended signing Vernon Wells to a megacontract.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Vernon Wells =/= Joseph Votto
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Vernon Wells had a number of great years before that contract was signed.
He wasn’t as good as Joey Votto, but I think what’s going here is exactly why huge contracts should be avoided by most teams. Everyone here has put Votto on such a pedestal that it seems like most of us think the Reds should sign if they can afford him, no matter the price. If Walt can sign Votto to a fair deal then do it. Otherwise, let him walk. Is he a great player? Yes, but there are other ways to build winning teams than to have a 5 WAR player as the core.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely.
For example, you could have two 5 WAR players as the core!
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The Tiggers GM
wasn’t behind the Fielder signing. It came from the owner.
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That's what the Free Press writer told Cowherd today.
The owner is ~85 years old and he figures somebody else’s accountants can figure this mess out after he gets his trophy and checks out.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I am not nearly as against this motive as I thought I would be.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I like the idea of the TOR front office
having a calendar like "Nobody signed to an exorbitant contract in [253] days
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
not sure I'd bet the farm on that
Prediction is difficult, especially about the future. Prince Fielder is younger than Votto. He’s got a longer career in the big leagues, and he’s a home run hitter in a way Jo-eh isn’t.
And even if he does get $300 million…that’s not twice $180 million.
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New sig line alert!
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
You're so fickle, Pete
When will finally find a nice sig that you can settle down with?
The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer
My momma told me...
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if we could get him in a deal with an opt-out clause (a la CC).
Y’know, give him the best of both worlds. He can have the security and bank of a long term lucrative contract, but also have the flexibility to renegotiate should things not go as planned.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
This sounds like something that Walt would offer.
And it sounds like something Joey might accept.
Especially if he’s won ten or twelve post-season games by the time Walt offers it in December.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
like 8 years, $190 million
with an opt out after 3 years.
All things equal, I think the Reds (and most RR’s) would love to get Joey’s 30 thru 33 years on a 3 year, $75 million deal and then let someone else pay for his decline.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Great points here, gang.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
..or the guy making $180.18 million in Toronto.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely. And Cincinnati can be super vindictave.
I’m curious what the tales of Dunn and Griffey have tought the youngun’s.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
the tale of Bronson the Meek sure isn't adding to the aura.
Though the tales of Carl Crawford, Mike Hampton, Todd Helton, A-Rod 1, A-Rod 2, Soriano, Rios, Wells, Mauer, and Bay sure aren’t helping either.
It’s not like it’s just the Reds and Reds fans that have aversions to successful long term, huge contracts.
In fact, I’m trying to think of one other than Manny’s 8 year, $160 million deal with the Sox that actually turned out to be OK.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sabbathia?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
that had an opt-out, too, so that's still TBD in my book.
Kevin Brown’s sucked, Jayson Werth’s hasn’t started off too well, nor has Ryan Howard’s.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Howard's is a real stinker.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Adrain Gonzalez'z?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
off to a good start.
So are Tulowitzki, Texeira, and Holliday I guess.
We’ll see how those shake out, but they’ll likely be pretty Carlos Lee-ish by the last 2 years.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it will turn out that way, but he's a much better player than Ryan Howard is
and he’s signed to a better deal, too.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like contracts that long
Especially given to guys who are 30 years old.
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Jetpack!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Jeter's 10/160M deal was pretty solid.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Excuse me, it was 189M.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
yep, that was a good one.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
ARod's first 10 year deal wasn't that bad either.
He was the best player in the AL for, what, 4 of the 7 years it was in effect, and he was in the top 10 in 2 of the other seasons.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What was the biggest contract Bonds ever signed?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I would have been willing to pay a ton for Bonds in his prime.
He OBP’d over .600 in some years. That would be hard to do on a video game playing on the easiest difficulty.
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OMG! ITS SOOO QYOOT!!!!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
He signed a 5/90M in January of 2002.
I’d say he was worth it. haha
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by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
It was more than worth it, and he missed all of 2005
Crazy
The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer
yikes, I'd forgotten about that
He couldn’t have been on steroids!
People on steroids don’t get hurt!!
He could’ve had 800 HRs…dang!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, do I miss Barry Bonds.
It’s too bad baseball basically colluded to keep him out after the 2007 season.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Colluded is one take on it.
My take was that no one thought he was worht the expense AND trouble AND bad PR.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
And there was the specter of possible jail time hanging over his head
so it was a take-your-chances thing.
And yeah, the PR. And the terrible knees that would probably prevent him from playing the field.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
And the missed time to deal with legal matters?
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Happy 10th, Barry Bonds's Big Contract!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's funny that we poo poo these long term deals,
but Red Reporter is drunk on the Joey Votto Kool-Aid and willing to lock him up to an 8 year deal.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not
He’s a great player, I love him, but I think it’s too risky to sign him to a deal like Fielder or Pujols got.
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that's kind of been my point in mentioning all of these.
And why I hoped for an opt-out clause type contract.
It’s the ‘tHan thought process! I was much higher on the idea of trading Votto when both Alonso and Grandal were in the system…now that there’s no clear-cut 1B replacement, I’m much more on board with the idea of locking up Votto.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how the opt-out helps
It makes it worse.
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Yep
it means Joey could still jump ship if he thinks the market will pay him an even better contract, but he will stay put and make millions if he sucks.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
It's brilliant.
If we get Joey for his age 30, 31, and 32 years for, say, $24 million each, we essentially sign him for a 3 year $72 million contract, pay our superstar his superstar wages, get a few 5+ WAR seasons out of him, but don’t have to pay him $20+ million a year through his full-on declining late 30’s.
It’s brilliant!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
A mutual opt out works
but that will be a hard sell to Votto. Due to being 30 when he hits free agency for the first time he may have only one chance to get a big long contract, if he takes a contract with mutual options for say the back half of an 8 year deal, he is losing all the security of a long term contract.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
Joey has no reason to accept an option unless it’s a player option. Not a team option, and not a mutual option.
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Well, the would be seventy-two million guaranteed reasons to take it..
if Walt puts it down on the table sometime in the next twelve to fifteen months. I’m not saying Votto would be any more inclined to take it but he would be wise to at least consider it if it’s what Walt puts together while he’s still playing out his existing contract.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
fuck it, give him the option to opt out regardless of what the Reds think.
If he’s been as good through those 3 years as he has been through the last 3, he’ll take the chance, and then some other stupid team can sign him for another 7 years and pay him til he’s 40.
It’s the only way the Reds can actually get him for 3 more prime years at the going market rate, not get stuck with him til he’s 40, and let him still call the shots in the deal while having flexibility.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
some big "ifs" there
He might not be as good for those three years.
In which case, he won’t opt out, and the Reds will be stuck with him until he’s 40.
A player option means we don’t get to keep him if he’s good, but we’re stuck with him if he’s bad.
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no, they'd be stuck with him til he's 37/38.
No way they sign him for more than 8 years as a 30 year old.
IF, and a big IF, he produces til he’s 33 and opts out, I can see someone out-bidding the Reds with an extra year or so to pay him til he’s 40.
If he sucks and stays with the Reds, well, it’s a miscalculation and the Reds are stuck with him until he’s 38…but that’s no different than just signing him until he’s 38 without an opt out clause, and giving him one is more player friendly, right?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
the difference is in risk/benifit
both contracts are filled with risk, one is filled with a greater possibility of benefit.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
I don't like the idea of signing him until he's 38
And doing it with a player option is worse. That increases the risk to the team, without any benefit.
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The benefit is that you get to talk seriously to an NL MVP about a contract extension.
The whole premise of this sky-is-falling-on-Reds-fans conversation is that Fielder’s contract just moved Joey Votto completely out of our price range.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
unless the opt out
lowers the price he’s willing to sign for, it doesn’t help that problem.
And I don’t think it will lower the price.
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What I'm saying is..
Walt can ‘lowball’ Votto because he’s able to offer huge contracts to him right now and no other team in baseball can do that.
So if the only contract offer that Joey can see for the next fifteen months has $75M and an option, he’ll have to consider it.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
and reject it
the way Lincecum rejected the 5 year deal San Francisco offered him.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
And now Tim Lincecum's arm shall fall off.
Pay attention, Joey.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Carlos Beltran
and ARod 1. Miguel Cabrera looks good at the moment.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Maybe
but Anxiety orders can be chemical and they can be caused by real life (usually a bit of both).
Votto has never seemed to have any performance or crowd anxiety. He may not love crowds, but he doesn’t seem to be afraid of them either. His anxiety issues were about his family, he went through a lot of things. If anything I think to Votto baseball is his job and pays him a lot of money, but I don’t think the stage will ever give him anxiety because he realizes that baseball really is not that important, at least not compared to his little brothers.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's a job for Dr. Chapstick.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want to go so far as to say he can't afford him.
Per this article, the Reds still own one of the 10 largest contracts in the history of baseball, and that was with an owner who, by most accounts, was more frugal than Banana Bob.
If they opt to not sign BP to an extension, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to think they could offer Votto an 8 year, $160-$180 million deal.
Thankfully, that’s what can happen if you’re lucky enough to have scouts that sign you good draft picks and good international prospects. If the Reds continue to have prospects/draftees pan out the way Bruce, Stubbs, END, Mesoraco, Grandal, Alonso, Cueto, Heisey, Hanigan, etc. have, they can afford a $22 million a year player.
Take the Rays, for instance. If they chose to go to Evan Longoria and offer him an 8 year, $160 million deal, but chose to operate their business model the exact same way with most everyone else, they’d be locked in at roughly $65 million per year for payroll. That’s it.
The Reds could continue to operate as a $70 to $80 million team with a Votto mega-contract…it would just take a lot of spot on effort and player development, but that’s something that could be done.
With Coco, Arroyo, Rolen, and potentiall BP off the books, that’s a lot of money that could be dedicated elsewhere.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Affording a mega deal for Votto is mostly just refraining from signing contracts for guys like Rolen and Arroyo.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
exactly.
And it seems they’re getting to that type of theme.
After this year, the only long-term contracts on the team are Bruce and Cueto, and they’re both just 25.
I think they’ve deliberately tried to keep a young, cost-conscious roster so they can offer Votto the moon. That likely means no BP, but I’m cool with that if it means Votto signed and a FA 2B on a 1 year deal.
Now that said, I’d love to see them lock up Latos to a Cueto-esque deal pronto.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
The only problem is that the contract can't be very long term that way.
Those young guys who aren’t making anything will eventually have to make something if they’re good. I mean, Meso could lock down Catcher for the first couple years of a Votto contract, but after that he’ll be looking for big money. That’s just an example, of course, and the same thing will happen with anyone who’s good and has less than 6 years of service time. So then there’s the dilemma of possibly having those guys walking in FA.
Making room in the budget for a year or even up to 3 or 4 isn’t that hard, but a long-term contract handcuffs the team.
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that's why I compared them to the Rays.
Crawford had to walk, but they let him walk to pick up 2 first round picks. They let Pena go when they had to, but they’ve also gone out of their way to be aggressive with locking up their pre-arb players to cost-conscious contracts (Moore, Longoria, Shields, etc.)
The trick is creativity, and the Reds should also have the built in benefit of having a much larger attendance pool to draw extra $$ from.
That may mean trading a Heisey or Stubbs before they’re expensive, or letting guys like Arroyo walk when they’re initial contracts are up.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
The TV markets are a big part of the income of a club.
#13 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,822,160 TV
homes
#34 Cincinnati 915,570 TV homes
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2011 Attendance:
- Tampa Bay 81g – 1,529,188 total
- Cincinnati 81g – 2,213,498 total
I’d bet that the $ value of 900k+ TV homes for 162 games is greater than the differential of about 700k individual seats sold.
The Reds probably do better on merchandising, but less well in spring training.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's probably true.
Though I’d be willing to bet the net of all of that would paint a pretty equal picture of the two.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
I just don’t see any built-in advantage for the Reds, other than that Reds fans rather loyally show up at the park per capita.
While the Reds have one of the smallest media markets in MLB, they draw about MLB-average…despite the stadium being mostly its own destination and people having less disposable income than other markets. Philly, Chicago and NYC out-draw the Reds by nearly 15,000 fans per game…but their cities are 3-7 times as big. That’s something.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
The Reds also have pretty low ticket prices.
Don’t know if that adds anything to this discussion.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
but Cincinnati is located within a two hour drive of 5 large MLB-less Cities
Dayton and Lexington are pretty much without any other geographically logical team to support, Columbus is divided, like Charlie Scrabbles, between Cleveland and Cincinnati, Indianapolis between the Reds, Cubs, and probably to some extent the White Sox, and Louisville probably has a far amount of Cardinals fans.
Also all of those cities receive Reds broadcasts, so that is something.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
St. Pete has surrounding areas, too.
Including Orlando about an hour away. And old people stay home more, so they are more likely to watch TV on any given night.
In 2010 Rays Senior vice president Mark Fernandez said. "We’ll have over a million tickets for 25 bucks or less and 30 games with a $9 ticket. We’re staying really consistent with being one of the most affordable teams in sports.’’
I dunno how that compares to the Reds.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
the Reds have $5 tickets available for most games
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Not really
If Votto is making $23 mil and the team payroll remains around $80 mil, that still leaves a good amount of money to spread around.
Of course, they can’t keep everyone. If Mesoraco, Latos, Cozart, and Stubbs all turn into superstars who will demand $100 mil contracts as free agents, the Reds won’t be able to keep them. You have to pick and choose which players you want to build around. Votto is probably the best player this team has seen since the ‘70s. If you’re going to hitch your wagon to one star, he’s exactly the kind of star you want to hitch it to.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
but conversely
If Mesoraco, Latos, Cozart, and Stubbs all turn into superstars who will demand $100 million contracts, the Reds will have won a shit-ton of games and playoff series in the next 4 years
The $23 mil a year dedication to Votto is a lot less about how it affects the payroll as a whole, and a lot more about how good/tradeable you think Votto will be as a 34, 35, and 36 year old.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
and they can always trade some of those players for young good inexpensive players.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 25, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
But he'll be making a hell of a lot more than $23 million near the end.
Contracts are almost always backloaded. So the Reds would get a discount (which they don’t need because the other guys we’re speaking of will still be playing for peanuts) and have a huge amount of payroll consumed when they need it.
Is it possible to structure a contract to be front-loaded? I know you can in the NFL; the pay structure there can be whatever you set it up to be. I think Votto and his agent would be happy about that too, which would make it a little easier to sign him.
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Definitely, they can structure it however they want
One front-loaded deal I can think of is A-Rod’s:
08:$27M, 09:$32M, 10:$32M, 11:$31M, 12:$29M, 13:$28M, 14:$25M, 15:$21M, 16:$20M, 17:$20M
Whoa!
Eric Davis just called and wants to video chat so he can give you the stink eye.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
"We cool?"
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"yeah, we cool."
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"HEY!"
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
It's ojiR esoJ!
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by jch24 on Jan 26, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
great job here
you Garden Weasel™!
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
There's no doubt about it
ED is my all-time fave, but Votto is the best Reds hitter since Morgan and is working on being in the conversation as the best all-time (with Morgan and FRobby). If he were to be around for 5 more years, he could top the list, but sadly, that ain’t happening.
NOTE: I’m only talking about hitter. Larkin was a better all-around player. Votto’s great, but he’s a long way from the HOF still.
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Two questions.
1] You’re certain that Votto won’t be here in 2014? And if so, tell us when/how you think he leaves?
2] ED’s overall value to the Reds vs. Votto’s overall value to the Reds
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Two answers
1) My certainty obviously has no play in the situation. However, I don’t think the Reds will (or should) give out 8+ year deals or spend $22M+ a year on one player, not unless they are willing/able to significantly raise their budget. A smart team with the Reds’ budget doesn’t sign Votto. When he leaves is anybody’s guess, but I think the Reds will try to win in ‘12 & ’13 and they won’t trade him unless they are way out of it one of those years. I don’t buy that you HAVE to trade him. Making the playoffs the next two years is just as valuable as getting prospects, IMO.
2) Based on WAR, ED has about 10 wins on Votto, but ED also had 4 more years. I believe if you give Votto 4 more years, he’ll have 10 wins on ED, which is pretty significant given that Davis was a CF and Votto was a 1B (huge difference in position adjustment).
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by Slyde on Jan 26, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, what does a smart team do with Brandon Phillips if they are assuming that they're not going to sign Votto?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't sign BP for more than 3 years
There’s no reason to pay for a player’s decline, especially not at the price that BP will likely want.
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And so...
If Votto does play through 2013 and then walks, his Reds WAR could be right about where ED’s Reds WAR is?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
probably
If he does what he’s done the last 2 years, he’ll even have a couple wins on ED.
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Shockingly,
I disagree.
If the Reds are as good as we think they’ll be over the next two years, they should have the revenue available to bump payroll a bit.
It’s also significant that right now, Bruce, Chapman and Cueto are the only players owed a dime in ‘14, and Bruce will still be underpaid through ’16. Other than BP, no other player important to the Reds’ future (no non-relievers, plus Arroyo) will be free agents before ‘15. And, frankly, other than Cueto, Leake and Latos there isn’t anyone on the roster who looks like they might command big money over the next 5 years (again, Bruce is already signed); it’s impossible to say what’s going to happen past that.
IF they’re successful over the next 2 seasons, and IF they avoid another Arroyo- or Cordero-type contract, I have no doubt they’ll have the resources to keep Votto on a Fielder-type contract.
And remember, the Tigers now have three $20M/yr players. If they can find the money between the cushions for that, I’d expect the Reds could have one if they chose to.
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Wow
There’s some bad English in that post. Sorry.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Coulda been wrose.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
The Tigers evidently have one of those fancy new regional cable contracts that all the cool kids are getting.
And they also evidently have a crazy-rich sportsfan owner who wants his wrinkly old hands on a World Series trophy before he lies down on his death bed.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think I heard they have an $800M TV contract
And the Reds TV contract goes thru 2018.
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Beat writer on Cowherd's show yesterday said '10 year/$1B'
Or maybe Cowherd said it and the beat writer didn’t argue it.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Bah
Bah, I say!
The Red Wings were the Dead Things before Illich bought them. He recognized that if you build a winner, the money will come. The Wings are now the Yankees of the NHL, outspending everyone and consistantly in the hunt for the title.
After a few missteps (thanks, Randy Smith), the Tigers have followed the same formula: Build a winner, money will come. It wasn’t the cable deal, it was the results on the field.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Depends on what you mean by big money
If Stubbs is around, he’ll be making around $5M in 2014. Bailey would be more. This stuff adds up. Yeah, they might have more revenue, but they’ll also have more players in that set of arb years where they start to get expensive.
And if they don’t, then they aren’t going to be a great team, even with Votto. He’s a great player. I wish he could stay, but it would take a fairly significant bump in payroll to fit Votto in (I’d say upwards of $30M).
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Payroll
Last year, the Reds gave $32M to Cordero, Arroyo, and Rolen. They spent another $11M on BP, who hopefully won’t be on the books (at least for that much) after ’15.
Meanwhile, if you believe in the young guys, Latos, Mesoraco, Cozart and Heisey won’t even be arb eligible until ‘14 or ’15. Bruce will be under contract, and if Cueto continues to be good, they’ll pick up his option for ’15.
My buddy Joe and brother-in-law Greg (both Reds/Bengals fans) would fit right in around here. The glass is always half-empty, the Reds can’t afford anyone, all of their players are one play away from permanent dibilitating injuries, and on and on.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
I'm with you, sid
To keep Votto, they just have to not sign Coco, Rolen, and Arroyo contracts. That’s it. They can do this.
Whether they should or not, is another question. But the possibility is most certainly there.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I have a creeping fear that BP
will be offered one of those crippling contracts.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know
the Reds were “close” to announcing a deal with BP in December, and it never materialized. Maybe BP wants a crippling deal and Walt wants to give him something like 3/36.
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yeah, that's my problem, I'm a glass is half-empty guy
My only point is that to afford Votto, they’d need a significant bump it payroll over where they are now. They do still have to pay other players (11 guys could be arb eligible in ‘14). All I’ve said is that if they want to field a competitive team, they’ll either need to increase payroll or not sign Votto.
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But only Leake, Stubbs, and Latos look like they would make any significant money
in those arb years. Remember, they’ve worked for a few years now with Coco and Arroyo taking up $20+ mil of the payroll and they’ve been able to field a decent team.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
sure
having 4 top 20 prospects come up helped.
If Homer Bailey is still with the team, he’ll probably be at $6M, as will Leake & Latos (who will both be 2nd year arb). Put Stubbs in that same ballpark too as a 2nd year arb. Throw in Votto at $22M & Cueto/Bruce/Chapman at $25M. We’re pushing $70M on 8 players.
Again, not saying they can’t sign Votto, just that it would require a good bump in payroll. Though I would say they shouldn’t sign him because huge deals rarely work out well for the team.
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Sure, I can buy the argument that spending that kind of dough on one player
is bad baseball. But that’s a different argument from the one debating whether or not the Reds actually can do it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Cheer up, Bro Namath
Bask in the Bar Louie $1 burger hapiness.
Dirt Bikes!
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 26, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of those arb dudes will be replaced by ML minimum dudes, too
(hopefully)
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 26, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Yorman! Frazier!
Hank Med Rod!
Yorman!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
That last sentence is very true.
We could have done without both Coco and Arroyo last year without a doubt, and probably Rolen as well. Those three off the books alone are enough to put together one mega-contract. Unfortunately, the rest of the team would be made up largely of pre-FA guys.
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well, replace Arroyo with Chapman
Rolen with END or Frazier, and Coco with Masset, and there ya go.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
And a big ol' plate of fresh buttermilk biscuits!
Mmmm-mmm!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Dang....
having a legitimate farm system suuuuurrrre is tasty!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
now I want buttermilk biscuits with honey on them.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Y'know, if my tongue was a pat of butter I don't think I'd ever leave my kitchen.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Does Macon have a minor league team?
Is their name the Bacon, or even the Whoopie?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 26, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
The Macon Music
An independent team.
/whomp whomp
by Brendanukkah on Jan 26, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
awww,
Thomas the Train Engine is taking a nap. Shhhh, don’t wake him up!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
It looks like Mr. Toppum Hat will be quite cross!
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said in the Reposter
I think he’ll get close to the Tex deal, probably something like 8 years and $185-190 mil.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
It's the unfounded certainty that annoys me the most about Cameron
He’s got a Joe Sheehan-like gift in alienating even those that mostly agree with him.
He's been very complimentary of the Reds lately
But yeah, dude tends to shoot from the hip a bunch
The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer
I used to read his stuff at Fangraphs everyday.
I don’t think his analysis has gotten worse, but he’s so smug and sure of himself on things filled with uncertainty that I’ve really grown weary of him.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
says the guy with a Cameron quote in his sig
(I keed I keed, I agree with you)
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Yeah, I have to agree with all of this
but I just have this trick where I dismiss the level of certainty and replace it with a more reasonable level.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
For a guy that I consider to be a very intelligent analyst
Cameron says some of the dumbest stuff sometimes. His problem is that he wants to be a national writer, but he’s still too much of a Mariners fan. Not saying he has a bias for the M’s, rather, he’s too deep into who they are as a team to really understand all of the other teams well. The best national writers cut their ties of fandom, at least partially, so that they can spend more time understanding other teams. Cameron probably could be a much better analyst if he did that.
Also, last night he said that the Reds may have replaced Arroyo with a NRI a year after signing Arroyo to an extension. It’s a totally idiotic statement that I’d expect from a national sportswriter (or from a GM), but not from an informed saberist.
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So what you're saying is..
He’s come to that point in his career when he needs to spend less time with his ‘family.’
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder what his RR username is
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by jch24 on Jan 26, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not me!
I’m sure of it.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Fun question!
Lincecum and Votto are both going into FA in two years, I believe. Lets say you Jocko has the money here, would you rather have
Lincecum for 6 years
Votto for 8 years
at the same AAV ($25m for sake of argument)
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Tim's numbers are trending in the wrong way
Still a great pitcher, but I’d be cautious about that shit.
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Go on...
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
I really have zero idea what to make of him.
There’s a part of me that says “no way…injury risk…pitchers his size just don’t hold up at all.”
But there’s also a part of me that says “well damn, pitcher’s his size also don’t hold up well enough to accomplish the things he’s ALREADY accomplished, so maybe he’s just a phenomenon.”
I honestly can’t think of a smallish pitcher with a pedigree like his that has broken down and ended a career prematurely…largely because pitchers his size don’t get to where he is right now.
Oswalt and Maddux are the only two I can think of.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Dave Cameron
is horrid at analysis.
- fWAR is the best, most complete uberstat ever devised; if you disagree, you’re an idiot.
- Fangraphs’s $/WAR is the definitive salary analytical tool; if you disagree, you’re an idiot.
- No team has as much money to spend on FAs as they think they do, except the Yankees and Mariners; if you disagree, you’re an idiot.
- Even if you agree with everything else he says, you’re still and idiot. No one is as smart as Dave Cameron.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"I agree with sidnancy."
I put that in quotes so when I search for it, this comment assuredly will pop up…because I’m fairly sure that there will be a time in the near future where I tell myself we’ve never agreed on anything.
Although, come to think of it (and if we read back up-thread), I am totally in agreement that the Reds could afford to sign Votto to a huge extension.
What the hell is this, a full moon or something?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
sonofa...
Gammons says that Oswalt want to pitch for either the Rangers or Cardinals. You know if he goes to the Cards he’s going to put up a Berkman-esque career year.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
I don't get it.
According to some players, everyone in the league hates the Cardinals. And yet every year there are really good players who can’t wait to take a pay cut to play on that godforsaken team, and play better and harder than they played elsewhere. It makes my blood boil.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
well, those were the LaRussa/Duncan Cardinals.
We’ll see how different the Matheny Cards are.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
You wanna see?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
that backoftheneck fat roll just screams, "I'm really 35! Haha, you fuckers!!"
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'll trust you on that.
I’ve not had a lot of experience assessing the back of large men’s heads.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
/Burger Tour'd
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
so Yonder popped up at 39 on MLB Network's top 50 prospects...
and they’re hyping that Billy Hamilton’s going to be ranked even higher.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions
Mesoraco checks in at #14.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
is Hamilton higher than that???
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Hamilton was #33, I believe.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
34
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
thanks
The “top 40” guess was good, then.
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I'm still not sure why they called Mesoraco the starter for 2012
It’s Hanigan’s job to lose. Argue with Krusty Baker that the veteran doesn’t start and hear why Ryan starts til your ears bleed.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
I think it will be 50-50
Like it was with Hanny and Ramon. Unless Mez struggles, then his time might be cut back.
And I’m fine with that. Catcher is a grueling position. Mez isn’t used to the longer major league season.
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Stop the WordPresses
the Reds signed Jeff Francis.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 10:32 PM EST reply actions
Nice signing for depth
Wonder what the details are.
yeah
I wonder if it’s one of the deals where if he doesn’t make the opening day 25 man, he gets released.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Or possibly opt out if he isn't on the 25-man by a certain date
and gets a big league spot somewhere else.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I was getting at.
Stoopid toomanybeers.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
If he is willing to stick around Louisville, if he is healthy he will probably get some starts for the Reds this summer.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
A much better signing than Dontrelle
this is quite a good signing, and a much needed one
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
and now maybe Justin will stop harping on the pitching depth in every thread
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 26, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It isn't my fault you are wearing rose colored glasses.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Mmmmmm
4.5 K/9…almost as delicious as Scrabs’s buttermilk biscuits!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
1.9 BB/9 though
That mean he’s better than Mat Latos. And he’s received more Cy Young votes than Johnny Cueto, Mike Leake and Homer Bailey combined.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Jose Rijo was good, too.
Not sure I’d want him pitching for the Reds this year though!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Next year though, watch out
The 2013 Surgeries look really good. I’m thinking full body stem cell replacement.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
On a minor league deal, this is amazing.
I would imagine that a lot of teams would have signed francis on a minor league deal. I wonder induced him to sign with the Reds.
They are a good team, with a good bullpen, good defense, and good hitting
but they do not have an overwhelming number of starting pitchers, so he might actually end up getting a major league opportunity on a good team, which can be hard for starting pitchers in his position.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 25, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds about right
Unless you count Chapman as a SP right out of the gate, it was basically Atilano and Pedro Villareal.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 25, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
and only one of their starting pitchers throw 200 innings last year
and only 2 made 30 starts last year.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Off of the same offseason
Francis would’ve been signed for at least 2 years guaranteed and been installed as the Reds opening day starter for almost a full decade.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
he would be their Paul Wilson/Jimmy Haynes ace of the staff.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 25, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
This Louisville roster may be the best one in years
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
If Franics doesn't have an opt out clause and the Reds can stash him until Louisville until they need him
I will feel much better about their pitching depth. Jeff Francis is not great, but he can give the Reds serviceable slightly below league average innings, and a guy you can stash away until you need, who can do that is very valuable.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 25, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
EVERYBODY FRANICS
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
We can France. We can France.
Everybody look at Jeff Francis.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
...and we can act like we come from out of Toronto
and we can act like middle infield!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well do you wanna France and a-hold my hand,
tell me I’m your lover man
oh baby, do you wanna France?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 25, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Everybody sing, everybody France
Lose yourself in wild romance
We’re going to; Party, Karamu, Fiesta, Forever
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
We'll be
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it's a marvelous night for a
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
that's a lot of retread lefties floating around.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I thought we decided not to use words like that in an attempt to rob them of their power?
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by jch24 on Jan 26, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My theory:
They got Wilson Valdez to give Cueto a dude to hang out with, and they signed Francis to give Votto a dude to hang out with.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 25, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder what Votto and Francis would talk about.
Probably global healthcare and calling ham bacon.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
and Arts and Crafts records.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
G'night, pal.
Enjoy the last few weeks of the few months after your twenties.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
do they not get PBS?
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Francis is the guy I wanted the Reds to take
instead of Chris Gruler in the 2002 draft.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 28, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Valdez = Frazier to AAA
That’s why this trade is already on the rocks.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
that's pretty good
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
re: votto discussion
i’m having a hard time figuring out how i’m going to react when votto is traded.
it’s going to be the smart & right thing to do, but probably a little late. if they hold on to votto & he walks, my head will asplode & the reds will suck.
firstly, when votto is traded, I will be sad. i like votto a lot & he’s one of the best players in baseball. he’s not the kind of player the reds can have. i don’t want to gloat because i’ve been right for so long, but it’s such an obvious situation i’ll have to point out i was right. right now i’m leaning towards taking the high road & not piling on those that allowed themselves to get their hopes up for votto staying in cincinnati long term.
What if the Reds make the playoffs the next 2 years and then Votto walks?
I won’t be sad. I mean, I’ll be a little sad, but damn, playoffs are fun!
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I don't think losing Votto leads to a lost decade. They have some minor league depth.
Would the future be brighter if the Reds got a huge haul for Votto? Sure, but it wouldn’t be any brighter than the present is with Votto.
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and they have many other good major league players, even if none of them are quite as good as Votto
Cueto, Latos, Chapman, Leake, Bruce, Messeraco, and Stubbs will still all be here.
Plus they could probably afford to find an adequate first base replacement for Votto.
Also guys like Billy Hamilton are coming up through the system.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
So if the Reds make a deep playoff run in 2012, you will want to trade Votto regardless before 2013?
I disagree with that unless the Reds can get somebody for Votto who improves the team for 2013, otherwise keep your best player. Teams will trade high end prospects for 2 months of a good player when they are in a playoff race, no reason why we can’t keep ours for a playoff race.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
yes
votto has to go after this season.
the one year deals are piling up. walt is going all in this year.
The Reds will be down Phillips, Marshall, and Madson after 2012
Only Phillips will be really hard to replace, relief pitchers are fairly easy to replace.
Also I guess Rolen could retire as well, but I don’t know how much they will miss Rolen.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I think he is icing for the team
they scored the second highest number of runs in the league last year, so they can hit without Rolen. Of course if he can repeat 2010 all the better.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Rolen is the key
the most important thing that can happen is the Reds get 90+ starts from the Latos, Cueto, and Leake trio.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Of course
The guys on one-year deals are either stopgaps (the relievers) or not worth multi-year contracts.
Or do you think adding Ryan Ludwick and Wilson Valdez, while bumping payroll about $5M, qualifies as “all in”?
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Marshall and Madson are relievers and easily replaced.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
if they’re so easily replaced, why were we so excited about getting them & why haven’t we had players of their caliber all along?
yeah, and while we're asking questions
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That might be one of the dumbest
things I’ve ever seen. Holy shit.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
This is not for real. It's a joke.
If you read the tags under the video it says so.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I can't tell if you are serious
because I can read it fine. If you’re joking — IDGI
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I've seen this posted on other social media sites
as fodder for the “Look how dumb christians are” crowd.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
Well to be fair, Christians ARE pretty dumb
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But I gave you a picture of chicks, man!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I figured even if it was real
it’s not representative. I ain’t that naive. I just thought the joke was funny. Not trying to make a statement.
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relievers make a good team better
but the Reds would have had a decent bullpen without them, Madson and Marshall make their bullpen good and deep, if everybody is healthy the Reds may not have a single soft spot in their bullpen, which is rare even for really good teams.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
The bullpen would be average at very best without them
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Madson also has an option for next year
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 26, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Should have gone this season.
He’ll never stay in Cincinnati.
But it is a moot point now.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
IN THE FUTURE! A NEW FIVE YEAR PLAN IS NEEDED TO WIN SOMETHING!!!
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I thought they had to trade him after this season
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 26, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
no, the best time to trade him was after this season when they had a logical replacement
they still have to trade him at some point though.
by 'tHan on Jan 26, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We are unworthy of your munificence
But thank you all the same.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I've never heard that word
and I’ve read, like, 15 books.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I bet if you worked at National Geographic you'd have heard it
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
'nukkah will stop using it now that it's gone mainstream
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by jch24 on Jan 26, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Such a hipster that nukkah
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I had high hopes for this thread when I saw there were a ton of new comments, now I haz a sad
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Go make a Jeff Francis FanPost.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Jeff Francis was on the 2011 Royals with Jeff Francoeur, who was on the 2008 Braves with Mark Teixeira,
who was on the 2011 New York Yankees with A.J. Burnett, who was on the 2008 Blue Jays with Scott Rolen, who plays for the Reds!
by andromache on Jan 26, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
disappointed by all the baseball talk?
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Yep, because it's the same six to eight people spouting the same six to eight opinions on the same three to four subjects
All in a futile hope that one day the person they’re talking to will suddenly say, “holy shit, that didn’t make sense the first fourteen times you said it, but number fifteen was a charm! Lead me into battle good sir, for I am now the vassal to your liege!”.
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by jch24 on Jan 26, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
It's okay, kiddo
Tell us the story about how you ate a really big burger again. It’s gonna be alright.
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by Slyde on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
This one time I ate a really big burger and when I finally went doodie the next day, my poo looked like a famous author who used to run a Reds blog. Smelled like him too!
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by jch24 on Jan 26, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
boobs?
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
no, no, no
“Reds blog,” not “red log.”
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
ha!
that’s why i avoided the best college basketball team of all time debate on twitter.
i can’t avoid the joey votto conversation though
"I'm going to turn and walk away from you now, you ignorant disrespectful egotistical nutcase."
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
It takes a special kind of whack job to stick a finger in the president's chest/face
Who is that?
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The esteemed Governer Jan Brewer
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yep....nutjob
Via Wikipedia:
Brewer’s signing of Arizona SB 1070 and her position of Governor made her the recipient of much of the bill’s criticism. In response to the various personal attacks launched against her, many of which called her a Nazi, she responded: “Knowing that my father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany, that I lost him when I was 11 because of that… and then to have them call me Hitler’s daughter. It hurts. It’s ugliness beyond anything I’ve ever experienced.” However Brewer’s father died in 1955 (ten years after World War II ended) from lung cancer, believed to be caused from constant exposure to chemicals while working as a civilian supervisor at the Hawthorne Army Depot in Nevada. Brewer’s father never served in the military nor was he overseas during the war.
After Brewer’s statement that “Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded,” a Fox News team investigated the claim. They concluded that in the last two years only one human skull had been found, and that had been the result of animals. Six medical examiners in Arizona from Yuma, Pima, Santa Cruz, Cochise, Pinal and Maricopa confirmed that they had no records of decapitated bodies. Brewer later retracted her previous statement, saying, “That was an error, if I said that. I misspoke, but you know, let me be clear, I am concerned about the border region because it continues to be reported in Mexico that there’s a lot of violence going on and we don’t want that going into Arizona”
The Brewer administration has also been investigated by KPHO for hiring Chuck Coughlin and Paul Senseman, both lobbyists for Corrections Corporation of America, as a policy advisor and communications director. Although Coughlin continues work as both a lobbyist and policy advisor, Senseman no longer does work for CCA. CCA operates six private, for-profit prisons in Arizona. After KPHO published its investigative report, Brewer’s re-election campaign retaliated by pulling all campaign ads from KPHO.
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And Brewer signed Yuniesky Betancourt to be her starting shortstop
by Brendanukkah on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That Nazi thing is just...weird
I mean, that’s a weird thing to say, right?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure whether you mean her comments or the people comparing her to Hitler
But I say both are weird. While I’m genuinely concerned about the country in many arenas I think throwing the words Nazi and Hitler around in a serious manner is irresponsible.
As for her lying about her father and the circumstances surrounding his death, well that’s just fucking stupid. She has to know that someone will take the hour required and fact check something like that.
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Yeah, I was remembering the "Papers, please" references with SB 1070 and thought it might be a bit of exaggeration.
But no, people made a sign calling her Hitler’s daughter. C’mon people, don’t be gross.
sick of the nazi thing, too
but there ARE elements of fascism running through our political system these days. using nazi hyperbole only makes people turn a blind eye to it. the word is rapidly losing its meaning. i suppose we are far enough removed from WWII where hitler and the nazis have become nothing but characters in movies for people?
Yep.
When I saw ‘Inglorious Basterds’ it occurred to me that future generations of cool middle schoolers might see this before they seriously study history in high school.
And yeah, Tarantino’s ending is so freaking awesome (I can’t find it on the internet) it’s gonna leave quite an impression on teenagers who don’t yet know any better:
…an inserted close-up of Shosanna informing the audience that they are going to be killed by a Jew. At the same time, Shosanna’s employee and lover, Marcel (Jacky Ido), who has locked and bolted all the exits of the cinema, ignites the nitrate film stacked behind the screen. Omar and Donowitz disguise themselves as waiters and kill the soldiers guarding Hitler with hidden pistols. They then kill Goebbels and Hitler, and shoot into the crowd of panicking Nazis until the timers on their bombs go off and destroy the cinema, killing everyone inside.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I hated the ending of that movie because they killed Hitler at the end.
I realize that it was a comedy, and that it doesn’t matter. But, I wasn’t a fan of a movie changing history so drastically. Though, watching Hitler getting riddled with bullets was funny.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
A favorite of mine from CBS....
Then there are the political “veterans” whose war records are even more dubious than their campaign promises. In 1984, Robert Sorensen was a Connecticut state representative running for reelection. When challenged on his opposition to opening legislative sessions with the Pledge of Allegiance, Sorensen huffily replied: “My patriotism should not be questioned by anyone because . . . when my country called me into service, I fought in Vietnam.”
Except that he didn’t, as his opponent quickly discovered. Even then, Sorensen brazened it out, employing an excuse that, for sheer audacity, can’t be beat. “For the first time ever, the American public had before them a war in their living rooms,” he explained. “Every single person in this United States fought in that war in Vietnam. We all felt the anguish that those people felt. So in a sense I was there.”
Veterans who actually were in Vietnam being shot at with real bullets, might be forgiven for thinking that, in a sense, Sorensen was a horse’s ass. (Sorenson withdrew from the race.)
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
now THAT'S ballsy, good lord
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The politician version of BK's "Let's trade back for Valiquette before playing DoJo" remark.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Goddamn I don't want to meet any animals that are capable of beheading a human.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Eh. I'd bet we have one of the more gnawable necks and poppable heads in the animal kingdom.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Mama had a baby and it's head popped off...
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
wow, hadn't heard that nazi story
but she is the epitome of everything that is wrong with that state.
You mean
aside from the fact that they continue to attempt to build a civilization of golf courses in the middle of the fucking desert?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hey, labor's cheap so why not?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
what will the cranky old people do
when they completely drain the water table down there and run out of water?
Aren't they using water from the Colorado River as it is?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
The only reason the CO river is still around
is that Mexico is promised by treaty a certain amount of water, so that much needs to get south of Arizona.
Arizona is going to explode sooner rather than later, and I can’t wait for it to happen.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
that would put a real damper on spring training
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I don't think it would be very damp at all, if all the water talk is to be believed
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
yeah
but tucson has a lot of groundwater that has been vastly depleted in the last decade or so.
speaking of arizona, i’m bummed this year more than ever that the reds moved there for spring training. i’m actually in the country for once for spring training and would go if it were in florida. (want those beaches!)
She had her own Rick Perry moment a couple of years ago
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
If I were going to so such a thing, I would definitely do it on an airport runway.
What a great place for a discussion!
Right.
If you’re given audience with the president on an airport runway (for his departing plane) you should probably take the hint that you’re supposed to shut up and smile for the cameras.
In her defense, she handed him some invitation to tour the immigration-savaged areas of Arizona with her and he struck up a conversation about how she had dissed him in her book.
Or something like that.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
For what it is worth, I don't think this is that big of a deal
He is still a citizen, and people can get upset when they talk to him.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 27, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
You’re wrong.
As much as you’d like the Presidency to be just another title, it’s not.
Like him or not, agree with him or not, Barack Obama is the President Of The United States.
Show him some god damned respect, and definitely don’t stick your finger in his face. If as a governor of a state in the union that he presides over, you find that have a problem with him because he challenged you on your interpretation of the meeting you had together, you politely let him know that you would like to discuss the matter in private at a later date. AT NO TIME do you stick your finger in the President’s face.
Dare I say, it shows the weakness of the nation as a whole.
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by jch24 on Jan 27, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I disagree
I think this shows strength, and I will most likely vote for Obama in November. The fact that anybody can legally walk up to the leader of the United States and do that and face no legal repercussions, that is pretty cool.
Really far worse things are being done to this man than this, I am much more offended by what people are saying about him that frankly isn’t true than somebody who disagrees with him sticking her finger in his face.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 27, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I respectfully disagree Yossi
Although I don’t believe in knee-jerk PC behavior, I do strongly believe that the office of the President of the United Sates of America (and therefore it’s occupant, whether George W. Bush, Barack Obama or Millard Fillemore) deserves and requires dignified respectful behavior on the part of all citizens…esp. US elected government officials. It is more than just courtesy. Respect for the office and man is representative of high regard for not only our country’s goals and ideals, but also for the many who have fought for and given so much to sustain this perilous experiment of democratic freedom – esp. our brave service men and women.
I’m not saying that Gov. Brewer shouldn’t express her differences with the President. But to do it in an openly hostile and public manner is demeaning to the Office, the man and to the governor as well.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
He looks like he's leaning in for the kiss
That’ll shut that broad up!
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I thought that only worked on Tom Haverford
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
that's a bad thing?
If you don’t like it, get off the damned Internet!
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Speaking of Groucho:
"When you’re in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, ‘Damn, that was fun’."
― Groucho Marx
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Jan 26, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Everything about the Marlins' new stadium is beautiful and wonderful
including the actual scale of that insane home run celebrator:
Oh and this snippet:
The bill that then-Governor Bob Martinez signed into law giving $30 million to the Florida Suncoast Dome also required all “pro sports arena[s] built with state assistance” be used as homeless shelters when “not being used for other events”.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Holy hell that's huge
The second part is pretty interesting, how do they plan to pull that off? Also – if you had to be homeless wouldn’t Florida rank second behind southern California as the best possible place to be?
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Portland's actually the homeless capital
no hipster joke. It’s just kind of where people coalesced.
The bill will probably get repealed because: lobbying groups. But wouldn’t it be just amazing for baseball stadiums to be homeless shelters during the winters? People would actually go to the dollar everything stand on the third deck of GABP!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
AHHHHHHHHHHAARRAHHHH!
There’s that word again!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 26, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
In theory, I love the "stadium as homeless shelter" idea.
I strongly believe that if the county built the stadium, the county should benefit somehow from its non-sports-playing use, and where better to start than with housing those with no housing? But when I hear this idea, all I can think about is the Superdome during Hurricane Katrina.
by the finest muffins on Jan 26, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well, IIRC those folks just went there because 'word on the street' said to go there.
The doors weren’t even open and no one was prepared for them to be there.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
It seems like, if properly set up, they could use areas like the clubhouse for those purposes
It doesn’t have to hold 30k homeless people, but giving shelter to 500-1000 people would help. And there are showers & meal facilities already built. Sounds like a solid idea to me.
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I agree.
With solid planning, it could work out nicely.
by the finest muffins on Jan 26, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
we'd only be talking about the vicious winter months anyways.
I’m sure it could even be paid out of the Reds Community Fund.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
And if nothing else, I like the instinct of
(1) actually thinking about the homeless, and (2) thinking creatively.
by the finest muffins on Jan 26, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And Newt Gingrich's janitor apprenticeships available!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
San Diego does have a shitload of homeless people
I also heard from a Hawaiian that there were programs that some cities had enacted years ago that gave homeless people one-way tickets to Hawaii. That’s messed up.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Hawaiians can't be trusted, everyone knows that
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I saw that yesterday
I’m glad someone did this, but I’m also glad I’m not friends with him
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
"Decide what to be and go be it."
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A good friend of mine used to work at a homeless services organization in DC.
He verified exactly what you just said— tons of people were saving for bus tickets to Florida and southern California because of the weather. But he also discovered that DC gets a lot of homeless transplants from elsewhere, because a disproportionate number of mentally unstable folks want easy access to government leaders. Seriously.
by the finest muffins on Jan 26, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Honest question
Don’t most (if not all) stadia use homeless people to clean up the mess after games? Maybe they can work, then spend the night.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 26, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Kearns signed a minor league deal with Florida the other day
Seeing him in those uniforms, in that park, will be … strange.
But man, I can’t wait to catch a game there.
Baseball very often takes itself way too seriously
I, for one, am ecstatic that the Marlins are so brave as to charge so hard against the wind.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yup.
Does the world of professional sports really need yet another Kansas City Chiefs?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
They did a big story on Fox 19 on that last night
I didn’t have the sound on though, so I don’t know what they said. #GoodStory
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*shakes head, looks down, whistles*
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by BK on Jan 26, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Good to see Prince Fielder already working on with his new team
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
This should be an inspirational poster for fat kids
That little fat kid just got paid.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
By the pizza man!
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Ilitch never understood that day,
why the cute little boy in the crazy pants stuck a finger into his chest, and said, “You’re gonna pay me 200 million dollars some day.”
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 26, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
You know he wore a t-shirt in the pool.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
And the Giants shirt?
He is representing three different teams, and one of them is an NFL team.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 26, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Cut the guy a break, he's like 5 years old in that pic
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That is the largest five year old in the world.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 26, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
In a kindergarten classroom that kid would be a planet.
All the other kids would be his moons!
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 26, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
you mean he ate a five year old
jesus, that’s borderline child abuse to let your kid get like that.
just learned the other day that 8% of this population has diabetes. sad. :(
Man, Fielder made some unfortunate choices in pants back in the day
The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer
by DerekH91 on Jan 26, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think they are making a comeback of sorts.
I’ve seen a lot of “bros” wearing them during football Sundays recently.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
In an ironic way?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
"Grasp the irony"?
“I do 30 reps at 250lbs three times a week.”
/flexes
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd.
It was way too easy but I’m allowing it.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 26, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
and his shoes aren't tied,
I tell you, he just doesn’t hold himself like a ballplayer!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I always wondered what happened to Webster after the 80's.
Looks like Prince ate him.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
Baseball America's take on the Valdez trade:
The Phillies gained roster flexibility and the Reds picked up another utility infield option in a minor trade. Philadelphia sent versatile 33-year-old infielder Wilson Valdez to Cincinnati for Triple-A lefty reliever Jeremy Horst.
The Reds called up Horst from Louisville on May 28 to cover for injuries, but he pitched sparingly during that stint as well as two subsequent callups before being outrighted off the 40-man roster in December. He passed through waivers that time, but the Phillies liked Horst enough to circle back and acquire him for Valdez in a trade that clears space on Philadelphia’s 40-man roster.
Because of his plus range, strong arm and noteworthy speed, Valdez received brief big league trials with the White Sox, Mariners, Padres and Dodgers from 2004-07, but he didn’t hit enough (.531 OPS in 274 PAs) to stick even as a 25th-man defensive replacement. Valdez made his way to Korea and Japan in 2008, but fortune smiled on him upon his return to the States in 2009. He started 23 games at shortstop for the Mets that summer during Jose Reyes’ lost year, then latched on with the Phillies and made 138 starts in 2010-11 while filling in for 30-somethings Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley at shortstop and second base. The Reds will be the 11th different organization for which Valdez has played, but Cincinnati already has noted utility types Miguel Cairo and Paul Janish on its 40-man roster.
The Reds switched Horst to the bullpen in 2010 because he tended to run out of gas the second time through the order. He sits at 86-88 mph and scrapes 90 out of the pen, but he lacks the knockout breaking ball to profile as a situational reliever. Horst’s crossfire delivery, long stride and quick arm help his fringy changeup and slider play up. Both pitches sit in the low 80s, with the breaking ball lacking power or consistent bite. Pitchability and the ability to retire righthanders, however, could translate into a low-leverage relief role in the big leagues.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 26, 2012 3:12 PM EST reply actions
Hey TT
What do you think of Adrian Cardenas? The A’s just DFA’d him.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I really like his bat and have
since he was in high school. His defense is a mess and he lacks a true position, but I can see him getting by at second base along the lines of Todd Walker. No way he clears waivers. He’ll probably be claimed by multiple teams and Oakland will work out a trade.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 27, 2012 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's a minor league deal
There’s no downside to this, and possibly some decent upside. Good move!
by Brendanukkah on Jan 26, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Son of a bitch stole Slyde's bike, last I heard
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I like it.
Walt bought him on the free agent market for 65 cents. If I had a kingdom, he would be my prince.
This guy would be my prince. I'd have a kingdom of nerd fun.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
winner winner chicken dinner
"Prediction is difficult, especially about the future." - BubbaFan
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's better than being missundaztood
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
...
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 26, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Lighten up, Francis
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
From Jerry Crasnick
Francis’ deal can increase to $3.25M total with incentives based on starts. He can also opt out on March 28.
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Also
Jeff Francis’ contract with #Reds: Minor league deal. He can earn a base salary of $1.5M if he makes the big league club.
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well that kinda sucks
although I would consider putting LeCure or Ondrusek in AAA to keep Francis as the long man in the bullpen.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
sucks?
$3.25M for a guy who could an average starter? And if he’s not, then he’s probably not making $3.25M. Sounds good to me.
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No, I like that part
the opt out part is what I think sucks.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Not that the Reds could have done anything about it
I am sure that is the only way they sign Francis is if they give him an opt out clause.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
especially if he was offered big league deals elsewhere
apparently he turned down a big league deal with the Mets to come to Reds, according to the other fanshot.
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It's funny, cause I saw that Valdez was traded on Twitter
and I said to myself, “It’d be funny if the Reds got him.” Little did I know.
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jch was going to teach me how to twitter
that was before I gave the X on Valdez
Turkey
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Those birds look greasy.
I’ll stick with chicken.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 26, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Polar bear walks into a bar
Bartender says, “What can I get you?”
Polar bear says, “I’ll have a bourbon and………………………………………………coke.”
Bartender says, “Why the long pause?”
Polar bear says, “These? I was born with ’em.”
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 27, 2012 12:03 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
A horse walks into a bar
Bartender says, “Hey, why the long face?”
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
"What do you mean you didn't like my character in Sex And The City 2?"
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 27, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A Pirate walks into a bar
He’s got a steering wheel attached to his crotch.
Bartender says, “You know there is a steering wheel on the front of your pants?”
Pirate says, “Aye, its driving me nuts!”
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Jan 27, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A midget and a lesbian walk into a bar
I forget how the rest of the joke goes, but your Mother is a whore….
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Jan 27, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll finish this one
The lesbian slaps the shit out the midget. The bartender looks at her and says, “Why did you do that?”. The lesbian says, He told me my hair smells terrific!".
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 27, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You know what's worse than having gum on your shoe?
The holocaust.
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by Slyde on Jan 27, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Love that joke
my version always begins with “What’s worse than finding a worm in your apple?” because people always start to say “half a worm” but I interrupt them with “The Holocaust” before they can finish and I have a straight face and the joke is AWESOME
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
A man and his camel are out in the middle of the desert
They died of dehydration.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
A man walks into a bar
he’s an alcoholic and is ripping his family apart.
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
I've asked you nicely not to follow me around
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 27, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A man walks into a bar
He gets drunk and then tries to drive home. He causes an accident, killing three people. He is summarily executed by the state.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
And Saint Peter has the day off, motherhfucka!
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 27, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
A retired baseball great walks into a bar.
Then he runs into some RR regs who insist that he is Jim O’Toole and buy him drinks. Brooks Robinson finds himself answering to “Jim” all night and getting sloshed.
"Prediction is difficult, especially about the future." - BubbaFan
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 27, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which current Red do you think is the most likely to drink heavily?
Corky doesn’t count.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I'd split that into 2 categories, meself:
Most likely to toss back a sixer with you: Latos, Arroyo, LeCure
Most likely to develop a serious drinking problem: Josh Judy, Valaika, Rolen, Gapper
"Prediction is difficult, especially about the future." - BubbaFan
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 27, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Masset
He looks like a tank, and relievers generally never give a shit.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
LeCure probably doesn't drink that much
I am guessing he will trade a bottle for a pipe any day of the week, and twice on a Sunday double header.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
In my experience, that ends up with you waking up naked on top of a bed no longer occupied by your mate
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That might explain his divorce
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I've heard
it’s the starting pitchers who are the hardest partiers. They only have to work every five days, so on the other days they can run wild.
Position players and relievers who hang out with starting pitchers get into trouble.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
so THAT's why pitchers want a starting gig so bad!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 28, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
two guys walk into a bar
but the third one ducked.
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Sarah Jessica Parkerwalks into a bar.
Bartender says, “So. Why the long face?”
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
by Madville on Jan 28, 2012 3:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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