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2012 Community Prospect Rankings: David Vidal rounds out the top 15

David Vidal is the 15th ranked prospect on the list. Some say this is probably a little later than most expected, but for me it's right on the money. There are still a lot of questions surrounding him, but as long as he can shore up his plate discipline, I think there's a solid major leaguer there. Maybe working with Rolen a bit will help out that process? I also think he's poised for a huge breakout year with the bat in the Bako bandbox and will be ending the year in Pensacola if all goes well.

Same choices as yesterday.

Star-divide

Tucker Barnhart, C, 21, BA-UR, Sickels-#18
(Dayton) .273/.344/.387/.731, 3 HR, 43 RBI

Pros: Disciplined hitter (only 59 K in 326 AB), and was voted the best defensive catcher in the minors last year. Switch hitter.
Cons: Not a power threat, still questions as to if he'll hit in higher levels.

Tim Crabbe, RHP, 24, BA-UR, Sickels-#14
(Dayton) 3.65 ERA, 24.2 IP, 25 K, 7 BB, 1.17 WHIP
(Bakersfield) 3.41 ERA, 111.0 IP, 123 K, 46 BB, 1.29 WHIP

Pros: Two above average pitches, profiles as a solid reliever. Put up good numbers in the Cally League, which is a pitcher's nightmare.
Cons: Needs a 3rd pitch if he wants to be a starter. Kind of old for his level, so needs to go to AA and pitch well.

Juan Duran, OF, 20, BA-UR, Sickels-#16
(Dayton) .264/.329/.463/.792, 16 HR, 71 RBI

Pros: Has tools like an Ed Hardy catalog. Finally started showing power potential this year, on his lanky 6'7" frame.
Cons: Struck out a lot last year. Plate discipline needs to improve drastically in higher levels.

Amir Garrett, RHP, 19, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
No pro stats yet

Pros: Throws 96. Athletic doesn't even begin to describe him. Chapman-esque delivery.
Cons: Is a basketball player. Very, very raw talent. Needs secondary pitches.

Donald Lutz, 1B, 23, BA-UR, Sickels-UR

(Dayton) .301/.358/.492/.850, 20 HR, 75 RBI

Pros: Lots of power, and had a breakout season this year where he started hitting for average too. German fella.
Cons: Strikeouts a major issue, and doesn't walk enough. A little old for his level after 3 years of rookie ball.

Gabriel Rosa, 3B, 18, BA-UR, Sickels-#17
(AZL Reds) .245/.314/.406/.719, 2 HR, 10 RBI

Pros: Good speed on the basepaths, and scouts love his plate approach.
Cons: Rookie debut wasn't spectacular, still a very raw talent.

Josh Smith, RHP, 24, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
(Dayton) 2.97 ERA, 142.1 IP, 166 K, 33 BB, 1.09 WHIP

Pros: Struck out a lot of hitters last year, was the ace for a playoff team.
Cons: According to most scouting reports, doesn't really project as anything other than a back-of-the-rotation starter at best. Low 90s fastball, and his out pitch is a breaking ball that could get exploited by better hitters at higher levels.

Poll
Who is the Reds #16 prospect for 2012?
Tucker Barnhart
42 votes
Tim Crabbe
4 votes
Juan Duran
58 votes
Amir Garrett
13 votes
Donald Lutz
18 votes
Gabriel Rosa
13 votes
Josh Smith
22 votes

170 votes | Poll has closed

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by obc2 on Jan 24, 2012 8:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I settled on Josh Smith

slightly old, but K and BB rates are pretty sick, especially for a starter. Everybody else just throws up huge red flags to me.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 24, 2012 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

At this point everyone should have red flags

They are prospects and the list is in the mid-teens.

Even elite prospects have red flags. Good players just learn and adjust and are able to overcome the holes in their games.

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Jan 24, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I would say Red Reporter has yet to overcome any holes.

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Jan 24, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Somebody's dyslexic

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 24, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

your point?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 24, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

your point?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 24, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

your point?

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

it is still morning where you are

alchy!

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

so it will be warm an flat?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

*and

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

Guess I’d go to my next class tipsy.

by crolfer on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I did that unintentionally in undergrad once

met a friend at the bar for lunch between classes, we split a pitcher (with our food), hit me a bit harder than I expected.

Not really something I recommend making habit of though.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 24, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

On St. Pattys Day in 2009, I did a presentation wasted.

I woke up for kegs and eggs at 5:30. I completely forgot about my team presentation in one of my education classes. I received a text from one of my classmates about bringing an outline of your part for the presentation. I only had enough time to go put on khakis and polo shirt and run to the class.

I gave my five minute part of the presentation, from just the top of my head, and I was bombed. I was to the point where I needed my noon St. Patty’s Day nap. Not only did we get an A, but the instructor said she would have given me a job for how well in I did.

Moral of the story… always drink before a presentation.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha no worries

I take my schooling seriously enough to not drink during the week.

by crolfer on Jan 24, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

you're not doing it right, then

splitting a pitcher shouldn’t do anything to you

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 29, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a tough one

Barnhart’s the closest to a sure thing. Rosa’s ceiling is nuts. Who knows about Garrett?

by poojols on Jan 24, 2012 9:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Garrett's ceiling is pretty nuts too

also, if you think about that statement, a ceiling made of nuts is pretty funny

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Phipps is such a prospect that he should still be on the list to be voted on......

and losing.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 24, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

SB Nation must love Denis Phipps

He keeps magically reappearing in the prospect rankings.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jan 24, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Herman Cain.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 24, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

He deserves to be on the list at this point

I agree

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 24, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Why does he deserve to be there more than any of the other guys on the list?

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

well, for one

Denis Phipps was already ranked. For second, umm, ok there’s only just that one reason. Also, Denis Phipps should still be on the list because he’s not going to be good.

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Because his numbers are insane

and he’s young.

Many of the players on this list have numbers that are pedestrian, or they aren’t very young.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 24, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This is interesting.

Saw this article on the sidebar, and while it’s full of good information and a reasonable premise, I’d have to say I full-on disagree.

This off-season didn’t derail the Pirates…Sid Bream did.

21 years ago.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 24, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Bream had hep from Barry Bonds.

Andy Van Slyke said on MLBN 20 Greatest Games that he told Bonds to play a little more shallow right before that at-bat, and Bonds looked at him and flipped him the bird. Had he not been an arrogant prick and heeded Van Slyke’s advice, Sid Bream would not have even attempted to score.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That sounds like prototypical Bonds.

I was mainly referring to the idea that if the Pirates made the series that year, maybe Bonds doesn’t skip town for the Giants.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 24, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Amir 7 votes for Mr. Garrett?

for shame

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Jan 24, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

I voted for Garrett

but then again i love myself some unproven high ceiling pitchers.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 24, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

How does that explain your love for Wood and Maloney?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

my love for Maloney was overblown because based on his minor like strike out and walk numbers i thought he deserved a chance

which turned into an RR schtick of sorts.

I also don’t think, and never thought, that Wood is going to be an ace, or even a 2 level pitcher, I do think he could become a solid back end of the rotation guy, maybe even a #3 (but that might be stretching it). Wood’s velocity isn’t great, but it isn’t terrible either, he hits 93-94 on the radar gun from time to time, and he sits about 89-91.

To say Wood is garbage who will never accomplish anything at the MLB level is a tough argument to make.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 24, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Too strong?

Admired, perhaps

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jan 24, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't fully understand the Barnhart praise

to an extent, yes, but to me he honestly looks like filler, or a guy whose ceiling is a backup.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Gabriel Rosa supposed to be getting more votes?

Honest question.

Mgr., Red Reporter

"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

I would have him getting votes over 4 of the players listed

Everyone except for the two leading, to be honest

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jan 24, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

He has everything scouts look for. He’s kinda the infield version of Yorman.

by poojols on Jan 25, 2012 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

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