2012 Community Prospect Rankings: The Hill People have spoken, Kyle Lotzkar is the 14th prospect on our list
by BK on Jan 23, 2012 8:01 AM EST
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Kyle Lotzkar is interesting to me. Doesn't it seem like he should be 26 or 27 by now? Oddly enough, he's only 22, and assuming he starts the year in Bakersfield, will be pretty much right on for his level. Command numbers are promising, but I'm wondering if he hasn't lost that strikeout edge that made him a strong prospect to begin with. After a strong end to the year in Billings in 2010 (14.8 K/9), he posted his lowest strikeout ratio ever in Dayton last year at 9.7 K/9. Is it a change in philosophy, or better hitters? Is he still recovering, two years after the TJ surgery? This year will be a big one for him to see what the kid is made of.
A few new names to add to the list today including one you might not expect, so keep voting!
Tucker Barnhart, C, 21, BA-UR, Sickels-#18
(Dayton) .273/.344/.387/.731, 3 HR, 43 RBI
Pros: Disciplined hitter (only 59 K in 326 AB), and was voted the best defensive catcher in the minors last year. Switch hitter.
Cons: Not a power threat, still questions as to if he'll hit in higher levels.
Tim Crabbe, RHP, 24, BA-UR, Sickels-#14
(Dayton) 3.65 ERA, 24.2 IP, 25 K, 7 BB, 1.17 WHIP
(Bakersfield) 3.41 ERA, 111.0 IP, 123 K, 46 BB, 1.29 WHIP
Pros: Two above average pitches, profiles as a solid reliever. Put up good numbers in the Cally League, which is a pitcher's nightmare.
Cons: Needs a 3rd pitch if he wants to be a starter. Kind of old for his level, so needs to go to AA and pitch well.
Juan Duran, OF, 20, BA-UR, Sickels-#16
(Dayton) .264/.329/.463/.792, 16 HR, 71 RBI
Pros: Has tools like an Ed Hardy catalog. Finally started showing power potential this year, on his lanky 6'7" frame.
Cons: Struck out a lot last year. Plate discipline needs to improve drastically in higher levels.
Amir Garrett, RHP, 19, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
No pro stats yet
Pros: Throws 96. Athletic doesn't even begin to describe him. Chapman-esque delivery.
Cons: Is a basketball player. Very, very raw talent. Needs secondary pitches.
Donald Lutz, 1B, 23, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
(Dayton) .301/.358/.492/.850, 20 HR, 75 RBI
Pros: Lots of power, and had a breakout season this year where he started hitting for average too. German fella.
Cons: Strikeouts a major issue, and doesn't walk enough. A little old for his level after 3 years of rookie ball.
Denis Phipps, OF, 26, BA-UR, Sickels-#20
(Carolina) .328/.382/.502/.884, 7 HR, 38 RBI
(Louisville) .380/.428/.576/1.004, 5 HR, 26 RBI
Pros: Toolsy outfielder who had a huge breakout season last year. Can play all outfield positions. On the 40-man roster.
Cons: Only one good season. Still kind of old to be a "prospect", so he's more of a late bloomer. Plate discipline is still pretty awful, and had a high BABIP last year.
Gabriel Rosa, 3B, 18, BA-UR, Sickels-#17
(AZL Reds) .245/.314/.406/.719, 2 HR, 10 RBI
Pros: Good speed on the basepaths, and scouts love his plate approach.
Cons: Rookie debut wasn't spectacular, still a very raw talent.
Josh Smith, RHP, 24, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
(Dayton) 2.97 ERA, 142.1 IP, 166 K, 33 BB, 1.09 WHIP
Pros: Struck out a lot of hitters last year, was the ace for a playoff team.
Cons: According to most scouting reports, doesn't really project as anything other than a back-of-the-rotation starter at best. Low 90s fastball, and his out pitch is a breaking ball that could get exploited by better hitters at higher levels.
David Vidal, 3B, 22, BA-UR, Sickels-#13
(Dayton) .280/.350/.498/.848, 20 HR, 85 RBI
Pros: Very lively bat, hitting for both average and power. Good defense.
Cons: Still questions about his size (he's listed at 5'11"), and struck out way too much (111 in 454 AB).
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How canst thou casteth thee vote whenst there ist ne'er a poll in sight?
by crolfer on Jan 23, 2012 8:14 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
What the fuck?
Hold on, I’ll fix it. SBN was being screwy last night.
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by BK on Jan 23, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
by the way, "Ed Hardy Catalogue."
Nice.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 23, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
i would vote for Phipps if i could.
I’M BEING DISENFRANCHISED!!!
Brevity is the soul of wit.
What's the story on Duran? I thought he was a hotshot prospect at one time?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
He was, but then he grew very tall.
BB-ref has him listed at 6’7, but he might be even taller. I think we gave him more money that Yorman, but then he grew a lot. The guy probably has the best power potential in the minors, he was scouted as an 80 power when signed. But, he was signed at the age of 16 and then grew a few more inches. Right now, with his size, plate discipline, and lack of contact skills he strikes out a ton. Even with his strike outs he turned in a pretty decent season. I think I remember him having a very good arm in RF also.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 23, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder how hard he throws
a guy who is 6’7 could be interesting on the mound.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 23, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
/Lurch'd
/Brackman’d
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Harang'd
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I bet you could overlay a chart of his height and it would look similar
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 23, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Stubbs?
is that you?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 23, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
thats way worse than Stubbs
I’ll be shocked if Duran ever makes it to the majors to be honest, that K rate is far too high. He’ll probably take the next vote, but I’d have at least 4 or 5 guys ahead of him.
Nope
that should give you some perspective.
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it does
Stubbs strikes out, Duran does it better!
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 29, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Is he really 6'7?
I think the success rate for position players of that size is not in his favor.
I could be wrong and someone will come in with great stats to show why I am an idiot.
But, alas, that is why I am going to make a sweeping, general statement so that someone will give me a nice little nugget of historical or statical knowledge that I can later throw in the face of other Reds’ fans around my office.
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
Three players in history are listed at 6'7" or above and have had at least 1000 big league PAs
(the list)
Frank Howard (6’7") – .851 OPS in 7353 PA
Tony Clark (6’8") – .824 OPS in 5120 PA
Wade Bond (6’7") – .733 OPS in 1338 PA
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by Slyde on Jan 23, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And if we take the min down to 500 career PA and ignore pitchers
We add just 2 more players:
Billy Ashley (6’7") – .716 OPS in 688 PA
Ron Jackson (6’7") – .710 OPS in 534 PA
On the other hand, there have been 35 pitchers listed at 6’7" or taller who have thrown at least 500 IP in the big leagues. There were 27 who threw at least one inning in the bigs last year. Maybe they should convert Duran to a pitcher?
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by Slyde on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I knew there were several successful pitchers of noteworthy height
I think height is a tool for pitchers since it possibly lets them pitch downhill and with a nice stride will release closer to the plate.
I think it hurts position players since it increases the strike zone and probably creates a longer swing.
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
I was just gonna say
If his arm in RF is what some say it is, they should put him on the mound and see what happens.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 23, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think this might be the plan B.
He is still very young, there is no reason to start putting a lot of miles on his arm. Teach him how to be a ball player, and then teach him how to pitch.
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
BBRef lists him as 6'6"
which appears to be the cutoff for a hitter having a shot. There are 7 players listed at 6’6" who have 500+ PA in the big leagues, with bigger names like Winfield, Dunn, Strawberry, Sexson, Kingman, and Corey Hart.
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Oh Dave Kingman
Mr. True Outcome
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
no Frank Thomas?
I figured he was at least 6’6".
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 23, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Well, he was at least that wide by the end of his career
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Big Hurt was 6'5"
Frank Thomas from the 50s and 60s was 6’3"
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I thought Sexson was 6'8"
.. learn something everyday
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 23, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I never knew Tony Clark was 6'8
He always looked tall at 1B, but never that tall
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
Tallest hitter ever, according to BBRef
I’m not sure how reliable their height data is, but he’s the only 6’8" non pitcher ever.
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same here
Holy cow, that’s tall.
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BTW
It’s WALT Bond, not WADE Bond.
I know you were really bothered by it…
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well, I was, because it ruins my joke.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 23, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Wade Bond sounds like a frankenstein mix of what should be a good player.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 23, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like Wade Boggs on steroids
Though everyone knows Wade Boggs didnt use PEDs
Unless you count drinking 64 beers
Or riding around on a horse during a game
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
Wade Boggs is the king of men.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Or a financial opportunity to go slightly into bodies of water
The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer
Occupy Red Reporter!
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We are the 1/(Heisey's OBP)!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 23, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
er, um...We are the 1-(Heisey's OBP)
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 23, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Well I guess the bright side is that the 2 guys who pulled it off both struck out a lot
Tony Clark was basically a poor man’s Frank Howard, and he struck out at an impressive rate in the minors (26.4%), even more than he did in the majors. Of course, Juan is striking out much more frequently, but he is also still very young and adjusting to his growth spurt. Clark had fewer than 200 minor league PAs before age 21. Duran is only 20 and already has almost 1000.
And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 23, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
He was 6'3" or 6'4" when he signed at 16
Then shot up in his first year
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VeeeeeDallllll!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 23, 2012 9:49 AM EST reply actions
in re: Lotzkar's K rates.
I think it’s just more that NOBODY has a 14.8 k/9. Randy Johnson’s best year was 13.4 k/9. To expect anyone to do that is going to be disappointing in the long run.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I'd say having a 9+k/9 at any level is still pretty good.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 23, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
It is
My point was just that it was down from previous seasons, even in Dayton before he threw his arm out. That and the higher ERA make me think that he’s still not fully recovered from the TJ.
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Didn't Craig Kimbrell have something absurd like an 18 k/9 in the minors one year?
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
best for a full year was 15.4 K/9 over 60 IP across 4 levels
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No Tim Crabbe love at RR.
To bad because the nicknames are already formulating in my tiny brain.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
If he starts pitching out of this world
we can say he’s in the Tim Crabbe Nebula!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 23, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope he claws his way to the majors.
He could be tough on pinch hitters, unless he gets shelled.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
If he throws soft, shelled he will be.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
That's how I've been pronouncing it too
Which, since I’m always wrong about minor leaguer pronunciations, means that it’s definitely pronounced “cra-BAY” or something
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
How long does this list go?
I’d like to see Amir Garrett get on it, but the list would probably have to go to at least 20.
Oh, and I turned on the UC-St. John’s basketball game when they played for some reason, and Garrett just happened to throw one down on a fastbreak about ten seconds after I did. Then they went into talking about how he’s in the Reds organization.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
Garrett could be a really exciting pitcher
lefty’s who throw hard make me happy.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
however
proper apostrophe use makes me sad.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
Absolutely.
I can’t justify putting him high on this list at all because he has practically zero polish, but he’s a very exciting prospect. Who knows? Maybe with a good first year he could become a highly regarded prospect. He certainly has the raw ability.
Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean
That's what this whole list is about, right?
Should a guy like Garrett be as highly regarded as someone in the higher minors with a lesser ceiling? That’s what’s fun about this, in my opinion.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jan 23, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
all he has right now is a 95 MPH fastball.
But he will be a guy whose name I look forward to seeing in Farmers Only and in minor league box scores.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
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"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jan 23, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
wow
and we are already close to being out of good players.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I beg to differ
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by BK on Jan 23, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
It took way too long to get to Vidal people
I am unpleased with the wisdom of this crowd.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Not all of Vidal's worth was that great.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I've been voting for him since Yorman got elected!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 23, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and now the next one is going to be really difficult for the first time
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
We didn't have to see even two good seasons out of Phipps
or Sulbaran or Cingrani, and if Didi has a good season at the plate, it will be his first.
But more people agree with you than me.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I wouldn't have voted Phipps so high either
I’d have had Vidal maybe a few spots higher personally, but I don’t mind him being a little down the list. I had Cingrani and Sulbaran ahead of him because they’re pitchers, but I wouldn’t have much of a problem if Vidal went ahead of them since you can definitely make a case between them. But really, a lot of the guys on the list now are fairly interchangable.
I’ll ask though since I’m curious, how high should Vidal have been?
I'd have had him about 6-7.
No bullshit\, Wang.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 25, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I'm unpleased with your face
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