In the New Year
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 2, 2012 1:35 PM EST
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PrintIt's 2012 (again?) which means it's finally time to throw out that Red Report Snark Remark-a-Day calendar and begin looking forward, in earnest, not only to the likely enshrinement of Barry Larkin into the Hall of Fame of January 9th, but also:
- The Reds Winter Caravan (January 26-29)
- The settlement of arbitrations by the end of the month, in advance of February's hearings (the Reds have not gone to hearing since 2004 with Chris Reitsma)
- Voluntary Spring Training report for pitchers and Catchers on February 24th
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I wouldn't be surprised
if the BP extension isn’t done by opening day. There’s no need to rush on that one.
IMO, a backup SS and a LFer are bigger priorities than a closer. I think it’s more likely the Reds go with someone in-house for a closer than for SS and LF. Especially with Marshall now on the roster.
Janish is probably hoping they go in-house for a backup SS, but I don’t see it. Walt will sign Theriot, or someone like him.
I also expect Walt to shore up Bats. They’ve been gutted by promotions and trades, and will need some warm bodies. Preferably warm bodies that are also insurance for the big league club.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I'm hoping Walt has learned from the Bronson contract and picks up BP's option
without an extension. As much as I love BP, I’d rather the Reds have a shot at trying to retain Votto, and if BP gets Uggla money, there ain’t no way they can afford Votto.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Spot on
extending BP could very well be Arroyo-esque
picking up the option should be a no-brainer, inking to an extension is the tough one..
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 2, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
Though it would be downright Machiavellian, if that’s his plan. BP was clearly upset at not being offered an extension last year. Would Walt actually pretend to be interested in extending him, just to keep him happy his last year?
My guess is no. He really does want to sign BP to an extension. It’s not like there’s anyone on the farm who can take his place.
But I don’t want BP to get his “last contract” with the Reds. Thou shalt not sign a middle infielder past age 32.
And I wonder if Walt has had second thoughts about Rolen. He was worth it in 2010, but not in 2011. The Reds will still be paying for him and Arroyo after they’re gone. They are depending on increased attendance making it affordable.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
True on the "lack of a replacement" angle.
But if BP isn’t extended, that’s money not on the books that can go 7/10 to the Votto extension and 3/10 towards a new FA 2B.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 2, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Eh. A replacement 2B isn't THAT hard to find.
They likely wouldn’t replace BP’s production, but they’d do so at what would probably be 1/3 of the cost, or less.
And Henry Rodriguez could very possibly be ready by OD 2013. He’ll start this year in Louisville, and while he’s far from a sure bet, he’s a definite possibility.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I'm glad I didn't have to say that
by poojols on Jan 2, 2012 8:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Turning on His BeePness, Lord BeePers
would be a tough, tough thing to do. It’s what the Rays would do, though. So it’s probably the right thing to do.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 2, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm afraid of the Reds saving BP's money to chase Votto
and miss out on both.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I think I'm okay with saving up the pennies for Votto
even if he walks. You gotta take your shot, even if it doesn’t work out.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 2, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
Feel better about giving him a 10 year deal than Pujols.
I’ve never heard of birther problems in Canada.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 2, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
But...
Joey said he doesn’t know where he wants to be in three years, how will he sign a 10-year deal? His defense of the last deal is going to look silly when he signs for ten years with the Jays.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
If Votto walks and they have Votto money saved up
spend it on something else. Gotta give it the old college try.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Sounds reminiscent of the old Tony Reagins MO
sign GMJ, Hideki Matsui, pick up Vernon Wells, etc. because the owner gave you a bunch of money and now it’s burning a hole in your pocket because you failed to sign the guy you really want.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I haven't convinced myself that Walt will be able to keep Votto but I'm pretending that I have.
And in my Pretend-World dreams of the future I think BP is a San Francisco Giant or maybe an Astro. I dunno. Not a Red.
Anyway, if Walt is not able to keep Votto and we kinda have to regroup I think that’s all the more reason that I wouldn’t want an aging and expensive Brandon Phillips on the roster.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 3, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
An excellent point
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Jan 3, 2012 7:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
grrr...
3/10 < 1/3!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 2, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
janish...
hmmm…would love to see him hit better, of course, but given that his defense is about 10 times better than theriot’s, and theriot isn’t going to hit well enough to come close to making his defense acceptable in light of janish’s…and he’d cost way much more, too…nope…i’m all for going all in this next year, but this one isn’t any part of ‘going all in’…don’t look now, but the reds have seriously cut into their up-and-coming farm boys, meaning that it will take some time to reload the good prospects, and bringing in overpriced, subpar talent hoping that one or two of them will have career years or something neither augments the ‘all in’ drive nor the longer-term push for development of talent…
by alcory11 on Jan 4, 2012 6:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Janish's defense is U2-level overrated at this point
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You mean pretty solid thru 1991, then increasingly sanctimonious?
I think Janish is pretty solid. Not great, but good range and a great arm. Tubby was about average, and Janish is definitely better.
I'm going to bed..
with or without you
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Walt wants to sign Phillips, but as per usual, in a small market situation Walt can't very well give away the store...
But I think BP really wants to be in Cincinnati.S o it almost a foregone conclusion that the extension will get done sooner rather than later.
On the other hand the possibility of:
Signing Ryan Theriot
Signing Cody Ross
Signing Ryan Madson
Signing Kerry Wood
would be an enormous drag. Theriot (a al Duckpantfuckbrains) would end up a starter. Cody Ross would also end up starting (taking valuable PAs from Hi-Z and Frazier), Madsen and Wood really have no role other than long relief.
So I voted bobbs.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Does anyone know where I can
Get month to month Internet in Cincinnati? (ie no 12 month agreement)
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 2, 2012 7:21 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I haven't actually tried this
Though I’m considering it.
It’s wireless. No contract. Unlimited data. You can start or stop service as many times a year as you want, and so pay only when you need it.
Drawback: you have to buy the MiFi device, which is $150 last time I checked.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Thank you so much, bubba!
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 2, 2012 8:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Given RSCWKRP's recent history
When I saw the headline, I expected a Village People song parody. I can’t decide if I’m disappointed, or not.
The LF spot can only be significantly improved through a trade at this point. I wouldn’t have a problem with that, as it appears they’re going with the all in approach. I’d really like to see Nick Markakis. Let him play right and put Bruce in left. When Stubbs needs a day off, Markakis in center with Bruce in right and Heisey in left. This would be the best defensive OF on the planet.
by poojols on Jan 2, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Vic-to-reee-noooo
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 2, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody cares about LF defense as long as it is halfway decent.
The Reds need a strong RH bat – good Abs, decent obp, some power, puts the ball in play and can protect Votto…all the things Rolen does when he was healthy and younger. Does Markakis fill that role?
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Nobody cares about LF defense till they have Gomes or Alonso spazzin' it up out there
by poojols on Jan 2, 2012 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Jan 2, 2012 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't have cared about Alonso, b/c he'll be able to offset it with his stick
Gomes, he had no stick in months not named May
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
shortening the list
his abs are immaterial to me.
You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.
Markakis does fit the bill
He was down a bit last year, but he’s been solid over his career. Problem is, the O’s haven’t shown any inclination to trade him, and he’s owed quite a bit of money over the next five years. Honestly, I’d rather have Ethier if we’re gonna make a LF splash at the trade deadline
that's funny...
how long did i hear about having dunn in left…a guy who, yeah, had a lot of Ks, but also an endles OBP around .380, tons of BBs, was ideal anchoring the middle of the lineup, had a stolen base pctg. as good as ryan freel’s, went from first to third as well as anyone or better, didn’t make baserunning gaffes ala freel, and made less errors than griffey jr. or freel…okay, he had some sore spots but all i heard was about his Ks, which he was cutting down seriously, and his defense, which was admittedly pretty average at best…now we want to go get some ‘proven’ guy who maybe doesn’t K so much, plays solid defense in left, and goes with, what, a .260 average and maybe a .330 OBP? you know, someone who won’t cost over $5 million a year or so, get him for maybe 2 years at age 32 or whatever? i still say heisey, backed up by frazier or whoever, hitting around .260 with 25 dingers and good speed, very solid defense, and costing so little for yet awhile, makes way more sense…
I'd bring back Dunn if we only had to pay $5MM/year of his salary.
I don’t think he’s Dunn. I think he slumped and choked.
Not a bad summery but in the future use paragraphs. - Elbow Patches
I don't think I'd want to move Jay to left
I know he had a off year defensively, but he’s worth a lot more to the Reds in right than in left.
Bruce might be the 2nd best defensive RF in baseball
Markakis is better.
Really?
I just took a quick look at his stats, and they all look pretty bad. He was great in 2008, but neither TZ or UZR have him even average since then
UZR has something weird going on with the Baltimore OF, IMO
Same for Coors (as is often pointed out), and maybe SF. Who knows what might be going on, but I am pretty sure Markakis is a good defender. Best RF in MLB is debatable.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
err Rolen did when he was healthy and younger...fucking keyboard..
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
A good craftsman never blames his tools
by poojols on Jan 2, 2012 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Awesome a thread about baseball
That last one got screwed up by a bunch of UK fans.
I voted Cordero extension. I think BP could get PAID if was a FA, and Walt is going to offer a respectable but modest extension.
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 2, 2012 9:31 PM EST reply actions
Y U NO WANT PIE?!?!?!?!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 5, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions
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