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2012 Community Prospect Rankings: Could a Cin-sational year land Cingrani in Cin City?

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Tony Cingrani wins the 11th spot on our list, and I think it's well deserved after the strong year he had last year. As he's an older prospect, I expect him to jump multiple levels next year, and if his numbers keep up with last year's, it's possible we'll see him in AA or AAA by September. Whether that's as a starter or a reliever remains to be seen, but someone who throws strikes like he does should move quickly.

Two new names on the list, as we add two key components of that strong Dayton team from last year. Vote now.

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Tucker Barnhart, C, 21, BA-UR, Sickels-#18
(Dayton) .273/.344/.387/.731, 3 HR, 43 RBI

Pros: Disciplined hitter (only 59 K in 326 AB), and was voted the best defensive catcher in the minors last year. Switch hitter.
Cons: Not a power threat, still questions as to if he'll hit in higher levels.

Donald Lutz, 1B, 23, BA-UR, Sickels-UR

(Dayton) .301/.358/.492/.850, 20 HR, 75 RBI

Pros: Lots of power, and had a breakout season this year where he started hitting for average too. German fella.
Cons: Strikeouts a major issue, and doesn't walk enough. A little old for his level after 3 years of rookie ball.

Kyle Lotzkar, RHP, 22, BA-NR, Sickels-#15
(Dayton) 4.32 ERA, 66.2 IP, 72 K, 25 BB, 1.14 WHIP

Pros: Throws 3 pitches, with a fastball in the mid-90s, a good curve and a developing changeup. Gets lots of strikeouts and doesn't allow many baserunners.
Cons: Injuries. Tommy John survivor, and his mechanics haven't changed much to help alleviate that risk.

Denis Phipps, OF, 26, BA-UR, Sickels-#20
(Carolina) .328/.382/.502/.884, 7 HR, 38 RBI
(Louisville) .380/.428/.576/1.004, 5 HR, 26 RBI

Pros: Toolsy outfielder who had a huge breakout season last year. Can play all outfield positions. On the 40-man roster.
Cons: Only one good season. Still kind of old to be a "prospect", so he's more of a late bloomer. Plate discipline is still pretty awful, and had a high BABIP last year.

Gabriel Rosa, 3B, 18, BA-UR, Sickels-#17
(AZL Reds) .245/.314/.406/.719, 2 HR, 10 RBI

Pros: Good speed on the basepaths, and scouts love his plate approach.
Cons: Rookie debut wasn't spectacular, still a very raw talent.

Josh Smith, RHP, 24, BA-UR, Sickels-UR
(Dayton) 2.97 ERA, 142.1 IP, 166 K, 33 BB, 1.09 WHIP

Pros: Struck out a lot of hitters last year, was the ace for a playoff team.
Cons: According to most scouting reports, doesn't really project as anything other than a back-of-the-rotation starter at best. Low 90s fastball, and his out pitch is a breaking ball that could get exploited by better hitters at higher levels.

J.C. Sulbaran, RHP, 22, BA-#9, Sickels-#12
(Bakersfield) 4.60 ERA, 137 IP, 155 K, 50 BB, 1.39 WHIP

Pros: Very solid 3-pitch repertoire, with an above average FB and a solid CH and CU. Above average stuff leads to high Ks, and he significantly improved on his previously spotty control in 2011.
Cons: Some question about his unorthodox mechanics remain, although he smoothed them out in 2011. Somewhat of an injury history. Mainly, he needs to repeat his strong season in AA in 2012.

David Vidal, 3B, 22, BA-UR, Sickels-#13
(Dayton) .280/.350/.498/.848, 20 HR, 85 RBI

Pros: Very lively bat, hitting for both average and power. Good defense.
Cons: Still questions about his size (he's listed at 5'11"), and struck out way too much (111 in 454 AB).

Poll
Who is the Reds #12 prospect for 2012?
Tucker Barnhart
12 votes
Kyle Lotzkar
38 votes
Donald Lutz
6 votes
Denis Phipps
42 votes
Gabriel Rosa
5 votes
Josh Smith
12 votes
J.C. Sulbaran
72 votes
David Vidal
27 votes

214 votes | Poll has closed

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Although he was traded for

Alfonso Soriano.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Jan 18, 2012 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ironically

I’m heading to my grandmother’s funeral in Missouri!

(This would actually be more ironic if I were leaving from Ohio [or still not ironic at all], but she did die in Ohio, so that’s something)

by Brendanukkah on Jan 19, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

California, MO!

Right around Ozark country. Can’t wait to hit up the Burger Haus.

by Brendanukkah on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

And the meth lab!

Winter’s Bone’d

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Think I've been there.

To California… not the Burger Haus.

by crolfer on Jan 19, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Missouri: Come for the funeral

stay for the?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 19, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Barnhart.

I think he’ll be a useful big leaguer.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Jan 18, 2012 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I am in strong agreement with Braggs!

this is strange to me!

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

What do you like about Chacin that makes him a better prospect than any of the guys on this list?

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jan 18, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The hell?

Someone was busy

The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer

by DerekH91 on Jan 18, 2012 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

Yossi and jutsin

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jan 18, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Wha...

You can check it yourself, so you aren’t allowed to play.

And you still got it wrong.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 18, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

HA.

I’m surprised he didn’t just ban himself.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you ban yourself? That's an interesting question.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 19, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Show me yours, I'll show you mine

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 19, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Could you guys do that some place else? My show is on.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 19, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I know

I didn’t want to out the real offender

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jan 18, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't have the attention span to every comment in a thread 3 times.

plus their would be a typo’d rec along the way.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 18, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

than and jch?

The secret, is to hit the computer with a hammer

by DerekH91 on Jan 18, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

JCH, JCH, and JCH?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 18, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

+10 or so more

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 19, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

He should have face booked you!

Stupid twitter cliques…

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Jan 18, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Remind you of college?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 19, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

On to a serious prospect related discussion

The 2012 Draft order is really taking shape. Once Cordero signs it like we will have the following picks:
14th – first
49th – Comp pick for Cordero(once he signs)
58th – Comp pick for Ramon
79th – 2nd round

Please correct me if I’m wrong

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 18, 2012 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

I'd say they'll take a college 1B early, if possible.

If that’s not available, a college 2B would be a great get, and beyond that just solid pitching depth, regardless of age.

With the toolsy depth of the outfield prospects in the system, and the glut of 3B types, I really think those would be the priorities (with the off chance they luck into a Grandal-type C prospect at 14.)

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 18, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Right now the Reds are predicted to take a fast moving SP.

A #3 potential kind of guy, kind of like a Mike Leake.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 19, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

they sure as fuck better take a 1B that can start in AA.

If they don’t, you’re gonna see an old shitty Adam Laroche playing first in Cincy in 2014.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 19, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh

They should take the ol’ stand by, “best player available”.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 19, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

perhaps.

But if you took a look at the best options for 1B in the Reds organization in August of 2011, the list would look something like this:

Votto
Alonso
Cairo
Hernandez
Grandal

There’s a very real chance that after this season every one of those players will be gone, and the list of potential FA 1B is pretty damn uninspiring (LaRoche, Loney, Kotchman…)

Even if the Reds got creative and traded for Youk, there’d be nothing besides Neftali Soto in the minors to fill in, and I’m really, really not sold on him as a viable MLB 1B option.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 19, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind Kotchman as a hold over.

You always draft the best available. The draft is such a crapshoot that it is the best policy.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 19, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Me neither

But historically speaking, 1B is the easiest position to fill. For example, the Cubs just got their 1B of the future, and he looks like a darn decent one, for a pitcher who doesn’t look too awful different from Andrew Brackman.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 19, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

James Loney is like a poor man's Hal Morris. I'll take him.

If we have to.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 19, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Where will you take him?

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks

by Yossarian22 on Jan 19, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this pitchers all the way

Although I like the “best available talent” angle. It’s worked out with Grandal and Alonso.

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Jan 19, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yawn

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 19, 2012 3:04 AM EST reply actions  

I just want to know how all the people who don't have a green "thumbs up" feel.

Do you feel neglected? Unappreciated? Like second class citizens?

by WOOD98 on Jan 19, 2012 7:24 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hell no

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 19, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm in the first class, and I like it.

I’ll take your spot on the life boat, and I won’t feel bad about it. If you make it out of the death chamber that is the bow of the boat, have fun freezing to death in the North Atlantic.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it bad I just got a chill?

and btw, I will fight you for spam if I get onto that lifeboat. Do not let that happen.

crashtestnipplechip citymoron

by Excalib8 on Jan 20, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

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