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2012 Community Prospect Rankings: "I'm gonna make him a poll choice, he can't lose." The Toddfather is your #8 prospect

With a whopping 44% of the vote, Todd Frazier wins the #8 spot. Another interesting case of the RR contingent preferring a polished bat that's ready to help right away over higher ceiling guys with less experience. To me, Frazier seems like a guy who will be valuable for the big club to keep around all year. He seems like a good clubhouse presence, and can play both 3B and LF reasonably well, especially considering the instability at those two positions right now (possible injuries to Rolen and possible suckitude to Heisey/Ludwick/Ankiel/Pierre/some other schlubski).

One thing that nobody ever brings up with Frazier is if he's really getting a fair shake here. Based on what we've seen from him, isn't it completely possible that he becomes a solid 6-7 hitter in a decent lineup, good for .270 and 20 dingers a year with about average defense? Hell, I might like him better than Heisey after the years that both of them had.

We're sure to get younger from here on out, so this should be an interesting vote. Interesting enough that I'll keep it open through Sunday morning. Vote now!

Star-divide

Tony Cingrani, LHP, 22, BA-NR, Sickels-#6
(Billings) 1.75 ERA, 51.1 IP, 80 K, 6 BB, 0.80 WHIP

Pros: Fastball sits around 93-94, but can reach back and get 97. Long, consistent delivery. Lots of strikes, doesn't walk many.
Cons: He was a reliever in college, so questions still remain whether or not he can be a starter through a full season. Secondary pitches are promising (slider, changeup), but not even close to being finished products.

Mariekson "DiDi" Gregorius, SS, 21, BA-#6, Sickels-#7
(Bakersfield) .303/.333/.457/.790, 5 HR, 28 RBI
(Carolina) .270/.312/.392/.704, 2 HR, 16 RBI

Pros: Excellent athlete, has the tools to be a well above average defensive SS. Very good contact skills.
Cons: Very aggressive plate approach, little in-game power so far. Still young, but needs his athleticism to translate into offensive numbers.

Kyle Lotzkar, RHP, 22, BA-NR, Sickels-#15
(Dayton) 4.32 ERA, 66.2 IP, 72 K, 25 BB, 1.14 WHIP

Pros: Throws 3 pitches, with a fastball in the mid-90s, a good curve and a developing changeup. Gets lots of strikeouts and doesn't allow many baserunners.
Cons: Injuries. Tommy John survivor, and his mechanics haven't changed much to help alleviate that risk

Henry Rodriguez, 2B, 22, BA-UR, Sickels-#10
(Bakersfield) .340/.378/.513/.891, 8 HR, 44 RBI
(Carolina) .302/.367/.432/.799, 5 HR, 37 RBI

Pros: Good contact hitter. Doesn't strike out a ton, and will grab you a few stolen bases.
Cons: Unfortunately, the defense. Doesn't walk much, very much a free swinger.

J.C. Sulbaran, RHP, 22, BA-#9, Sickels-#12
(Bakersfield) 4.60 ERA, 137 IP, 155 K, 50 BB, 1.39 WHIP

Pros: Very solid 3-pitch repertoire, with an above average FB and a solid CH and CU. Above average stuff leads to high Ks, and he significantly improved on his previously spotty control in 2011.
Cons: Some question about his unorthodox mechanics remain, although he smoothed them out in 2011. Somewhat of an injury history. Mainly, he needs to repeat his strong season in AA in 2012.

David Vidal, 3B, 22, BA-UR, Sickels-#13
(Dayton) .280/.350/.498/.848, 20 HR, 85 RBI

Pros: Very lively bat, hitting for both average and power. Good defense.
Cons: Still questions about his size (he's listed at 5'11"), and struck out way too much (111 in 454 AB).

Poll
Who is the Reds #9 prospect for 2012?
Tony Cingrani
52 votes
Didi Gregorius
66 votes
Kyle Lotzkar
41 votes
Henry Rodriguez
99 votes
J.C. Sulbaran
19 votes
David Vidal
26 votes

303 votes | Poll has closed

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daaaaaaaamn

Cannot unsee.

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by jch24 on Jan 13, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

IDGI

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe they think you look like him?

That’s how I took it.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 14, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

NO SAM!

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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 13, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would you say that?
Hell, I might like (Frazier) better than Heisey after the years that both of them had.

Heisey had a higher AVG, OBP, SLG, and walk rate in 3X as many PAs; they both had pretty bad k/bb rates. Other than Frazier being a year younger (though both are getting old to be “prospects”), why might you like Frazier’s year better?

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Jan 13, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

I think it is basically because he hit well in AAA.

His season obviously wasn’t better. But, a lot of people have optimism for Frazier because he has never been given a job. I think if he is given a full season of play he could more productive than Heisey.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Ehh, I think if he got a full seaosn at 3B, then yes, he could potentially outproduce Heisey

in the OF, I don’t think he could outproduce Heisey.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he could in LF.

People keep saying, including Dusty, that his best position might be LF.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

what that really means

is that he doesn’t have the glove for 3B.

The problem is that LFers are expected to hit a lot better than third basemen.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Todd Frazier definitely has the glove for 3B.

I think it is just a testiment to how good his defense in LF is.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

disagree

LF defense matters, but not that much. It’s the lowest position on the defense spectrum except for DH. If Frazier was a good third baseman, that’s where he’d be playing.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, I think 1B might be the lowest

you can’t stick a fat man in LF

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by UncleWeez on Jan 13, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Carlos Lee would like a word with you

(Yes I know he has since moved to 1B)

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by jch24 on Jan 13, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't talk to Astros

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by UncleWeez on Jan 13, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

nobody told Ruben Sierra that

You have a point, though. 1B might be lower. I think I’d still take my chances with LF. Your first baseman is going to be playing a lot. With the luck, the LFer might never have to touch the ball.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

or maybe he just thinks blonds are hotter ;-)

I didn’t find Frazier’s AAA season all that impressive. Mainly because he did not improve at all over the previous year. Unlike Cozart, who made a big improvement his second year in AAA.

That said…I’m not convinced Heisey’s for real.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Cozart's improvement have to do alot with BABIP?

I’m not trying to be pessimistic, but I was thinking his jump also had a lot to do with luck.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

He started the year off terribly, but then caught on fire.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

could be

Something weird was going on Louisville last year. They were mashing.

It’s probably not reasonable to make projections based on last year in Louisville.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically

I like Frazier’s power in LF, and he didn’t look as overmatched against big league pitching as Heisey did. Obviously, that could be because he didn’t have as many ABs there, and Frazier had more successful ABs in AAA, but I think the league figured Heisey out pretty quickly last year.

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by BK on Jan 13, 2012 10:54 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

amen.

I think the Reds are going to get one more body for LF, whether on a major league or minor league contract. I don’t see any of those 3 breaking 400 PAs, barring fantastic super awesome breakout.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

If someone starts out hot, they could rack up a bunch of PAs

Jonny Gomes turned a hot start into nearly 600 PAs in 2010.

PRobably me biggest fear with the Reds signing Fukodome is that he tends to start hot and fade badly, and I don’t trust Dusty to pace him, or bench him if he goes cold.

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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 13, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you kind sir, and recommend others do as well

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by jch24 on Jan 13, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter kind sir

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by brown11b on Jan 13, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

sir you are very.....

kind

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by brown11b on Jan 13, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Is "Kind Sir" a new strain of weed?

And is that why everyone is saying it a lot?

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I smell bacon

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by brown11b on Jan 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll take one drug please

I’m ready to smoke that high.

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"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 13, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

OK, but...
  1. How were Heisey’s numbers across the board better than Frazier’s if Heisey was the one who looked overmatched?
  2. Heisey’s best month for hitting last year was September (other than 3 PA in August) – 66 PA, .931 OPS. In fact, the only month he didn’t perform well was July, . It sure doesn’t look like the league “figured him out”; if anything, I’d say he started figuring the league out – after tailing off quite a bit late in ’10 (when he started playing more), he hit much better in ’11.
  3. Heisey’s numbers in ‘11 were better than in ’10 despite the fact his BABIP dropped from .312 to .283. That’s a good sign going forward.

I’m not ready to dismiss Heisey yet.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Jan 13, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Heisey's OBP has always been low,

Fraziers can still be chalked up to SSS.

I agree with you generally, though.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

from what i recall

Hesiey has very good #‘s when he pinch hits or switches into a game….but lousy #’s when he starts a game.

by ephram on Jan 13, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

But also amazingly awesome numbers when he plays as a CF, regardless of starting there.

there may be something small to the sub vs. starter situation with Heisey, but I find it unlikely or probably minor.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 13, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Heisey > Frazier

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by btcoop71 on Jan 13, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

Their minor league numbers suggest that they are pretty similar hitters. Heisey has the advantage of being able to play CF, but Frazier has the advantage of being able to play 3B. At this point, I’d say it’s a wash.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking they'll both be in the LF revolving door

Though if they sign a LFer and a SS and everyone stays healthy, Frazier is going to have to start off in AAA. Either that, or END is going to have to be traded.

Mgr., Red Reporter

"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 13, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Wel BK...I've been bitchin' that Todd hasn't gotten much a shot compared to say Wan Fiasco..for about a year now.

I agree totally:
Based on what we’ve seen from him, isn’t it completely possible that he becomes a solid 6-7 hitter in a decent lineup, good for .270 and 20 dingers a year with about average defense? Hell, I might like him better than Heisey after the years that both of them had.

Frazier fought through some injuries at AAA so his last minor league season’s numbers may be skewed a bit. But as has been pointed out he can play LF and 3B well enough. He can also play a decent 1B, an acceptable 2B or SS in a pinch. But mostly I like this guy because he tends to put the ball in play…he actually hits the baseball fairly often.

But for whatever reason the Reds don’t appear to be sold on the Toddster…maybe this is the year he’ll get a shot…

Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.

by Madville on Jan 13, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Like with everything else, George was correct.

Never met a Todd worth a damn.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That is awesome.

I recently did an HBO special mini marathon. I watched one from ‘82, then ’91, then ’02. It’s amazing how much better he got as he went along, when he was already great to begin with.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

When I was unemployed

I watched all of his Netflix material

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by brown11b on Jan 13, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a friend called Todd who is a great guy...

But every time I speak his name, I do so like Carlin does in that bit.

by DocRam on Jan 13, 2012 2:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Nancy?

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"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Heisey's MLB numbers are inflated by pinch hitting success

Heisey steps in the bucket and pulls off of nearly everything. Generally, starting pitchers have enough command to keep the ball on the outer half of the plate, where Heisey struggles. Relief pitchers don’t have that type of command as often; that’s why they’re relief pitchers. As a general rule, Heisey will do better late in the game against the bullpen, and Frazier will do better against the starter.

by poojols on Jan 13, 2012 11:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't necessarily disagree, but if that's true then every team should have a PH as good as Heisey

Pure pull power shouldn’t be that hard to find. But NL PHs slashed only .214/.291/.313 last year, a good 100 OPS points lower than the league average.

by ken on Jan 13, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you make a compelling argument

I wonder if it might be confidence thing, though. I’m a Heisey apologist and I know he’s probably destined to be a 4/5 outfielder, but I wonder if his inverted platoon splits in the majors are evidence that when he’s bailing out a little and hasn’t been a regular player to get comfortable and stabilize things.

Stepping in the bucket against righties might have less of an effect if they’re coming across the plate on the side of his body. This could be a crackpot theory.

Heisey might only be able to really feast on relievers and there’s good evidence to back up that claim. But he’s also been good (75 PAs) after he’s seen a SP twice: .270/.365/.619. And he only has 289 PAs in the majors against starting pitchers so far.

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"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 13, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree.
Stepping in the bucket against righties might have less of an effect if they’re coming across the plate on the side of his body. This could be a crackpot theory.

The stepping in the bucket thing is almost as bad a dipping the back shoulder. A righty bucket stepper is in trouble against any righthander’s offspeed stuff. If for no other reason than plate coverage.

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by Pops Daniels on Jan 13, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because the righties off speed stuff will move away from him.

The lefties stuff should move towards him, and in to his pull.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 14, 2012 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

fwiw

If I’m reading that newfangled Pitch fx stuff correctly, if you want to get Heisey out, throw a changeup.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 14, 2012 6:35 AM EST up reply actions  

However

While it’s true he hit much better in ’10 as a PH, his numbers last year were very similar whether PHing or starting.

Plus, as a starter, Heisey hit much better than Frazier last year.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Jan 13, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand why poeple like Henry Rodriguez

but his is the kind of bat I just generally don’t believe will progress very well, plus not a great defender. With the BP situation in the air, he’s the guy we kinda have to hope on for the moment, so I get that.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 13, 2012 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Why don't think he'll progress well?

He makes good contact, has a decent walk rate, and decent power. If he can make it at 2B, he could be a good major leaguer. I think he’s definitely a top 10 prospect.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, Henry is going to be fine

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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 13, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You know what I just noticed?

All the pitchers listed (plus Corcino) have big strikeout numbers. That bodes well, yeah?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

sometimes...

i love the pitchers who can get the Ks, it’s more than useful…but when you look at the overall picture, i like even more the guys who can get the Ks and then blend in getting the ‘contact’ outs…i watched arroyo rack up those 200+ Ks his first couple of years here, and he wasn’t even a ‘K’ pitcher…but his pitch totals were sky high almost every outing, while his innings pitched often suffered…we had a couple of other pitchers doing the same thing, and game after game we saw our starters throwing 95 pitches in 5 innings, 110 in 6 innings…meaning opposing hitters were getting a lot more ‘look’ at our guys and that, in the end, is never good…in 2010, the reds got past all that with opportunistic hitting and super defense along with a bullpen that really was damned good…but really, it was a bit of a cinderella year to be honest about it…so, as for big strikeout numbers, it’s fine for guys like nolan ryan, roger clemens, etc…, and if we get one of those type guys in here, fine…but give me, on the whole, the starters who can get those outs with 3 pitches, which means a lot of ‘contact’ outs…strikeout pitchers so often take 5 or 6 pitches, even more, to get one K…and yeah, the same goes for relievers, too…where i hope to see Ks is in those situations after a leadoff double or other situations where keeping the other team options for scoring limited to getting a hit…

by alcory11 on Jan 13, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Arroyo has never struck out 200 batter in a season

His high of 184 came in 2006, but it didn’t hurt his ability to go deep into games – he led the league in IP that year.

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by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 13, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Harang lead the league in strike outs in 2006 and was third in innings pitched

being a strike out pitcher with good command can help you go deep into games, because you can put hitters away rather than suffer through a lot of 8 pitch at bats with foul balls.

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by Yossarian22 on Jan 13, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like we have some surprising non-roster invitees to ST.

Well, Donnie Joseph isn’t much as a surprise. But, I didn’t think Corcino or Barnhart would get selected. They are a little young, but it would be good exposure for them. I guess you can always use as many catchers as possible in ST.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

is there a list somewhere?

Also, I’m pretty sure I missed the organizational awards. Is there a link? Reds MVP, Pitcher of Year, Minors hitter/pitcher/player of year?

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by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just looking at Dougdirt's site.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Here are the non-roster players

Sean Gallagher
Jeremy Horst
Chad Reineke
Clayton Tanner
Kanekoa Texeira
Brian Esposito
Corky Miller
Daryl Jones

Brackman and Judy are both on the 40-man, so they’ll obviously be in tow.

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"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks, you guys.

as B3 said, Corcino, Christiani, Barnhart, and DoJo are added to that list.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Cool

I’d like to see Sulbaran as well, but whatevs.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 13, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm surprised Corcino is up there,

everybody else seems to be more for depth than anything else.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see him as well.

You’d think if they are inviting Corcino they’d invite Subaran. He’ll be starting in AA.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah this is in addition to the above

I think there might be a few more before the official list is out (it was out around the end of January last year). But they invited 14 non-roster last season and it looks like they’re at 12 now.

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"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

there's a lot of generic white Sean relievers in baseball

Sean Marshall, Sean Burnett, Sean Gallagher. OK, 3

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by UncleWeez on Jan 13, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I give Horst and Texeira VERY small chances to make the team out of ST

no one else. Actually, barring injury, none of those guys really has a shot.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 13, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

They have no chance unless there is an injury.

We already have two lefties in the pen.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

They announced some minor leaguers yesterday

RHP Nick Christiani
RHP Daniel Corcino
LHP Donnie Joseph
C Tucker Barnhart

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by BK on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I just realized this post had the word "Ludwick" in it.

Gross.

Makes my already in-pain hungover 30 year old head hurt even more.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 13, 2012 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

how was the party, old-timer?

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by UncleWeez on Jan 13, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Effective.

Though I’m sure I’ll eventually long for my friends who love to assault me with bourbon, I’m not going to miss them immediately.

I gotten very, very drunked anoche.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 13, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

frazier seems fine...

the one thing, already pointed out here, is that frazier hasn’t gotten much of a chance to play regularly…so it’s tough to say how he’d work out…what we all know is that he’s shown enough along the way to prove he should be in the bigs, at least long enough to prove he shouldn’t be in the bigs…lol…but really, he’s looked fine to me overall, and it would be interesting to see if he can play everyday at some position…his versatility is valuable and his attitude and effort great…whether he would push heisey out of LF is a question that really only has it’s answer in actually seeing if he can…as for the overall team, i think they can do just fine working with heisey and frazier, though it certainly wouldn’t hurt to find someone to ‘chase’ them a bit…i’m not for bringing in someone from the outside to take over the LF job, not unless someone out there emerges as the real thing and is still making less than 7 figures for awhile…as for cody ross, rick ankiel, ryan ludwig, i just don’t see a possible improvement over what the reds already have as far as production and defense go, so why even consider paying such players what is, comparatively, so much more money?

by alcory11 on Jan 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

please

Use your return key once in awhile. It’s hard to read a wall of text like that.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

I’m a big fan of the ellipsis… but it is no substitute for return.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 13, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

isnt all reading hard?

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Jan 13, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Tl dr

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Jan 13, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article about Dmitri Young.

He was always one of my favorite players, and the guy has gotten really skinny. I had heard he lost a lot of weight, but that picture is ridiculous. I wouldn’t mind giving him a minor league deal. He could make a good bench bat, part time left fielder and could spell Votto. I doubt his defense would be very good, but we wouldn’t have to ask him to do much.

ESPN article

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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Shit, I now weigh more than Dmitri Young

He was still hitting right up through the end of his career. Who knows? Probably worth a look, at least.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 13, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I was heavier than him when I graduated from college.

Luckily, I’ve slimmed down a bit on my “working two jobs-drink beer during free time” diet.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It would be a great story

but a signing would take ABs from the Reds’ many utility players.

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Jan 13, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not really concerned about that.

If he comes in and ends up being a good bench bat, then it is a good signing. The young players should get their at bats. END will be coming in for Rolen on a regular basis, and Frazier is a super utility. I like Cairo a lot, but i don’t really care how many ABs he gets.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I love Dmitri Young

he was one of the first players I ever saw play in person as a kid in AAA, and even my 8 year old eyes could tell me he was pretty much the only good player on that team, so I followed him. The man could hit, and he played hard.

As a pinch hitter, perhaps he could still provide something useful to the big club. But it would be REALLY hard to find a spot for him on the roster. My head says no but my heart says it’s only a bench spot so it wouldn’t really hurt anything.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Always go with your heart.

I know it is irrational to put him on this team…. but I want to!

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

*an excellent addition

I do that kinda thing a lot. I don’t like that.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 13, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I just assumed you were Asian

when you left out the “an”

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

it is alright, im not racist

i knew an asian once.

also i didnt use the term oriential

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Jan 13, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I had an asian friend on college.

He was lucky. When the RA’s came to bust us for drinking he could hide in the dorm closets and dresser drawers.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Cosmoed?

Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.

by brown11b on Jan 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't think

he could be the starting LFer?

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Opened the window, saw the jackass talking, closed the window

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 13, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I made a similar comment

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jan 13, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

not a bad summation of the listening experience. I guess that leaves Crafty Lefty as the only reasonable one.

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by kcgard2 on Jan 13, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Welsh is the only reason I gave them a "2" for analysis.

I should have ranked them higher because Brantly’s analysis is pretty good too, but I didn’t feel like it. Maybe I ranked them higher… I don’t remember. I was more concerned about my comments.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, you were only supposed to rank Chris and Thom anyway

and I am not even sure Brantley knows what analysis means.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 13, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, nice.

I just realized Grande won’t be able to talk enthusiastically about Pujols anymore, which is nice. I should’ve added to mine that Brennamen hates, on a personal level, everybody on the Reds (especially the black ones).

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Barnhart's a good point

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by BK on Jan 13, 2012 1:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

He's a good catcher, but should he really be rated in the top ten at this point?

I’d like to see what he does at higher levels before ranking him so high. I do like him a lot, but to vote for him so soon.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he's a top 10 guy

But you could make the argument that he’s in the top 15, right?

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by BK on Jan 13, 2012 1:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'd 15 is very close.

He is one of those floor guys. He won’t be anything great, but with his defense, good eye, and being a switch hitter he has value. He is a Ryan Hanigan, nothing great, but he gets the job done.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Took the words out of my mouth.

He’s Hanigan at best, and Hanigan ain’t bad. Especially since he’ll be coming up just as Hanigan reaches FA.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not saying he should be rated this high.

Just that its time for him to marinate on the list for a few days.

by Eastwindquinn on Jan 13, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He fell off a cliff.

Guys tend to suffer in prospect rankings when that happens.

Hopefully it’s not something physical and just a speed bump in his development. He was looking like a sure thing for the big club’s bullpen at the end of ’10. Now, not so much.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 13, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It also doesn't help that he is a RP and he fell of a cliff.

The way I understand it is he wasn’t able to locate his slider, which is a great pitch. Hitters were just laying off until he threw his fastball.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of falling off a cliff

One pitcher who i really like is Aguido Gonzalez.

Had a rediculous fastball around 98~99mph, and was getting over 11 K / 9 IP in the minors until he hit A+ level, when he suffered an injury. I think he’s finally healthy after barely pitching the last couple years.

by ephram on Jan 13, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

wow, I've never even heard of him

how old is he?

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Jan 13, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He is 25 and has pitched less than 5 innings since the end of 2009

So, he is a serious longshot, but a longshot who once threw really, really hard.

If there is one thing that dude Dennis Quaid played in the Rookie taught us, it is that a guy who can throw 95+ can always make a comeback – and I won’t remember their name, even if they had a movie made about them.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I really really liked him at Dayton

It’d be great to see him bounce back, but Bako is a tough place to do it.

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jan 13, 2012 1:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Can we do "write in" candidates for the Prospects?

I want to write in somebody like Brodie Greene or Alejandro Chacin.

Also, how did Vidal get in the voting but Donald Lutz didn’t, when they are somewhat the same hitter.

by ephram on Jan 13, 2012 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

I would imagine it is because Vidal plays 3b and Lutz plays 1b

You need a lot more bat to make it at 1b. If they both become guys capable of .260/.330/.450, Vidal would be a really valuable player and Lutz would be a bench guy.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

And do it Cajun Style

Mgr., Red Reporter

"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 13, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

With the Heisey argument on going, I think y'all should read the newest fangraph article.

It was a pretty good read. I didn’t realize Heisey hit so many fly balls.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I like the Seth Smith idea, but what would it take to get him?

I’d rather not give up Bailey, and I don’t see how Frazier would be useful to the Rox.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 13, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Do they still have Ian Stewart at 3B?

I know they aren’t very fond of him.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 13, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

E-N-D! E-N-D!

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jan 13, 2012 2:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

good link

Trade Frazier for Seth Smith, eh?

I agree that Heisey’s game has some holes in it, but I’m not sure platooning him with Smith is the answer. Not least because Dusty doesn’t like platoons.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweet jesus

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jan 13, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

How much money do the Reds have left?

We need to get Oswalt. Let’s put together a Madson-style special deal for him, yeah?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 13, 2012 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

I think Walt needs to start looking in the couch cushions

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 13, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Voting H.Rodriguez over Gregorius is laughable.

Gregorius has a much higher ceiling and floor. H.Rod will have to develop a lot more power to justify his poor fielding and avg. speed at second base.

by wanderinredsfan on Jan 13, 2012 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Is Gregorius ever going to hit?

Is his bat better than Janish’s? This question is not meant as exaggeration, either.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 13, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

he got $600k and avoided arb

Maybe MLBTR’s $800k prediction for Janish is not far off.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

How bad is it that I'd rather pay Janish 800k then even have Rosales on the roster?

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 14, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

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