Who's next? Let's rank-em
by wanderinredsfan on Jan 12, 2012 12:28 AM EST
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But, what a great past couple of weeks, eh?
Most everyone seems to agree that LF is the next position of most need. Bubbafan clearly elaborated upon this in a fanpost just a few days ago. I agree that many folks (especially Walt and Dusty) aren't that comfortable letting Heisey/Frazier/Phipps begin the season as the starting LFer. Just imagine how sticky it could get if Stubbs continues his woes this spring, thereby pushing Heisey into CF.
Having Heisey as the 4th OFer allows for a more versatile team, still leaving the possibility for Heisey to take over a starting role by mid-season. There's no reason to hand over the reigns quite so easily, especially when there are viable options still left on the shelf.
So with the aforementioned assumed; How do folks rank the possible FA LFs left for the picking?
How about everyone's top-5 for Walt to consider?
Personally, I'd rank the options:
1. J.D. Drew (Lance Berkman type comeback?)
2. Johnny Damon (might look pretty good hitting between Phillips and Votto)
3. Kosuke Fukudome (a platoon with Heisey could be quite impressive)
4. Ryan Ludwick (a Walt-like discount-rate might suffice)
5. Cody Ross (not much of a fan, but he's not past his prime)
honorable mentions (Rick Ankiel, Raul Ibanez, Carlos Guillen, Brad Hawpe, Xavier Nady)
So, who do you got?
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Fukudome or Drew
They can both still take a walk, and are about average defensively. I’d love it if we could swing a trade at the deadline for an Ethier type, but I’m fine with starting the season with Heisey/those two
Fuck Murray Chass
Jason Bay
Lowest of buy lows. He’s due for a rebound, and the Mets should be willing to eat a good portion of the salary.
this is interesting
but i don’t think the Mets will trade him and eat any significant salary.
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 15, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
This is the first time I've heard someone mention J.D. Drew
I like the idea. With his recent history he could probably be had cheap and I agree that we could see a strong rebound b/c he would be bracketed by Votto and Rolen (assuming he is healthy) and he would gain the benefits of hitting in GABP. A confidence boost from GABP may trigger that resurgence.
Let's say it's the middle of May
Heisey/Frazier/Whoever is struggling, Votto’s being pitched around, Manny’s still unsigned, and his suspension is about to end. Do you take a chance?
by poojols on Jan 12, 2012 8:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think Manny has to serve a 100 game suspension if he comes back, so It'll be later than the middle of May if someone signs him
Fuck Murray Chass
I thought it was reduced to 50 games for some reason....
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
They reduced it to 50 since he "retired"
by poojols on Jan 12, 2012 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, it's 50 games
But it doesn’t start until he’s signed.
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Where is Scott Podsednik?
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In the crapper.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I still say Damon.
While he may be a liability in LF, that actually makes him perfectly suited for a Reds LF. If Dunn and Gomes can sham it up out there, why not Damon? The due can actually still hit, too.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 9:34 AM EST reply actions
I think I would go with Fukudome and Drew over Damon
but they are all more or less the same at this point.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 12, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno.
Drew’s numbers are cliff diving and he is (and always was) an injury waiting to happen, and I’m just convinced that Fukudome isn’t a very good player.
At least Damon is durable with a track record (in the AL East at that).
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I wouldn’t be too excited about any of them, and I wouldn’t be too angry at any of them, neither.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 12, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully they could give Drew a much reduced role
and only plan to give him, say, 400 PAs?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 12, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe that would help him stay healthy
Give him every day game off and sit him against tough lefties
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by Grahamophone on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree about Damon being durable
I feel he simply isn’t capable of playing OF anymore
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I feel you are right about that
He’s durable in that he’s had a long career, but he needs to DH now, and I think he knows it.
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Hey,
Damon & Drew are both Boras clients. We just signed Madson, who is also a Boras guy. I would not be surprised if Jocketty inquired about their services during the Madson deal. I’d love to have Damon ~ $3 mil for one year.
by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jan 12, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Damon.
He’s the perfect FA to go after.
He’s looking for a 3 – 5 mill 1-year contract, can hit, matches up perfectly with Heisey as a platoon partner, and is a good clubhouse presence with tons of postseason experience. What’s not to like other than his being a mediocre defender?
It all boils down to whether or not he can survive another season in the field
He’s primarily been a DH the last two years
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
If Lance Berkman can play LF anybody can
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 15, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Carlos Lee certainly makes a valid argument
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 15, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Carlos Lee has not had problems staying healthy enough to play the field
and that’s why people question Damon, not his adeptness.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I definitely do not want Damon
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 16, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, plus...
He gets on base, which means he would be a great fit at either the 1 or 2 spot in the lineup. I’m currently underwhelmed with the Reds options to hit in front of Votto. Phillips and who???
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
I think we'll be seeing one more outfielder brought in...
But I don’t think he will be anything exciting. I’m thinking Walt brings in a few more Jeremy Hermida types on minor-league deals, and lets them duke it out for the final 25-man roster spot in the spring.
Personally, I’d like to see Drew (hadn’t thought of that one before), Damon, or Fukudome because I’m a sucker for OBP, and I think those guys could provide some with their solid walk rates. I also think Heisey is an excellent PH/LIDR and would like to see him remain in that role as the 4th OF. I just don’t think it is going to happen.
Trying to pull off "having no money and talking to no one" as well as the Reds have.
If its Ludwick imma puke.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Put Dusty in a Santa suit and they may well get drawn and quartered.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
i'd probably take a flyer on Todd Hollandsworth
he’s scrappy and inexpensive. low risk low reward.
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by obc2 on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wow. He's still kicking around?
What about Raul Mondesi? Has he been gone two or three years or has it just been one?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 12, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bonds
That dude can rake.
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by bbjones on Jan 12, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fuck that shit,
lets put Ted Williams frozen corpse out there!
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 12, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He still couldn't hit Dead Walter Johnson
I’ve been advocating we sign that guy, but it doesn’t seem to have caught on.
He’s gotta be at least as good as Dontrelle.
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rec'd
for the humor
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Might as well bring in Tony Womack too.
What, me? Being negative? No. Never.
by Paul Householder on Jan 14, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd switch Ross and Ludwick, but other than that, I agree with the list.
I’d rather have Gomes than Ludwick or Ankiel at this point.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
after reading
this link, I’m intrigued by Dmitri Young.
He’s lost 70 lbs.
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why,
that’s half a Torreyes
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 12, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Give him a shot
but what struck me from the article is that Vlad is a FA. Let’s put him in LF and let him bomb away at GABP.
Hadn't heard J.D. Drew before, but he's the top of my list too
then some guys I would not be very excited about: Fukudome, Ross, Damon, Ludwick.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Only if the talent pool is Shallow
Which it is, so. .
Fuck Murray Chass
by DerekH91 on Jan 13, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His NPB stats ended up not being that impressive, despite leading the league in HR
Year Team G AB H R RBI 2B 3B HR BB K Avg OBP Slg 2011 TOK 140 486 111 63 76 22 1 31 61 131 .228 .314 .469
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that's not too bad
Aaron Guiel had a nice little Japanese career with similar numbers.
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You're not wrong, but I want to add though, that the league average was .247/.297/.343
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In a comparative sense, yes.
But he’s mostly hitting home-runs, and he’s doing so in a small park against generally inferior pitchers. It’ll be interesting to see what he does next year as hitters and pitchers adjust to the more consistent ball.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
Yeah, this was what I was getting at
Also, given how incredible he was at the start of the year, I expected his numbers to look a lot more impressive. Looks like he was fairly pedestrian for most of the year. Not something that makes me think he belongs back in the states.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 14, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I've read this who's next post several times...
I guess I missed the name of the man, the legend: CROLFER
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
what about Dontrelle Willis?
Are the Reds going to trade him?
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I wish we still had him
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
the funny part is that he and Heisey would be a cheap and productive platoon for 2012
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, perhaps not.
Both Heisey and Nix, though they hit from opposite sides of the plate, can’t hit lefties.
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by Paul Householder on Jan 14, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
ok, so get someone to hit lefties
b/c I think Daynce Mix would out perform Heisey against RHP given the chance to start
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 15, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
If he was cheap, as a 4th or 5th OF...
Would you be interested in Juan Pierre? I prefer to pick up a guy south of the 30 year old equator, but he provides that decent BA and pinch running factor. His lowest BA for a season was .275 but I am concerned about his defensive abilities and his age (which I think is slowing him down).
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I see someone's read text messages I've received from other RRs re: Juan Pierre
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 15, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Juan Pierre was truly awful last year
and Dusty would play him 90% of the time at least. And Pierre’s skill set (what’s left of it) would be minimized by GABP. IMHO that would be a terrible pick up.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I just want to clarify that I am not Dusty Baker...
I just see us picking up an older/speedy guy as an inevitable offseason transaction. That and the quote about how he provides veteran leadership to our young core of OF etc…
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Juan Pierre bunted at a pitch 120 times last year
That’s the most in baseball and he’s one of only 3 nonpitchers with 80 such attempts.
If you love bunts, Pierre takes…(sunglasses on)…the cake. YEAHHHHHHHHHH!
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by Slyde on Jan 16, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
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