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2012 Community Prospect Rankings: Yorman is Your Man for the #7 spot on our list

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In a close vote, Yorman Rodriguez edged Todd Frazier for the 7th spot on this list. His numbers from last year don't jump out at you, but you have to consider that it was his first full season and that he's still a very raw and young product. I'm expecting to see an improvement as he gets more confidence in his swing and (hopefully) moves to the turbo-charged run environment in Bakersfield.

Two more pitchers to add to the list today, in two very different points in their career. Vote now, and let us know if there's anyone else you want to see on this list. With the system the way it is right now, there are plenty of guys that some people like more than others, so let me know.

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Tony Cingrani, LHP, 22, BA-NR, Sickels-#6
(Billings) 1.75 ERA, 51.1 IP, 80 K, 6 BB, 0.80 WHIP

Pros: Fastball sits around 93-94, but can reach back and get 97. Long, consistent delivery. Lots of strikes, doesn't walk many.
Cons: He was a reliever in college, so questions still remain whether or not he can be a starter through a full season. Secondary pitches are promising (slider, changeup), but not even close to being finished products.

Todd Frazier, UT, 26, BA-#7, Sickels-#8
(Louisville) .260/.340/.467/.807, 15 HR, 46 RBI
(Cincinnati) .232/.289/.437/.726, 6 HR, 15 RBI

Pros: Shown an ability to hit for power, lots of XBH too. Versatile on defense. Good clubhouse guy. Cool nickname and at-bat music.
Cons: Doesn't really have a set position, and isn't above average anywhere. Plate discipline is suspect.

Mariekson "DiDi" Gregorius, SS, 21, BA-#6, Sickels-#7
(Bakersfield) .303/.333/.457/.790, 5 HR, 28 RBI
(Carolina) .270/.312/.392/.704, 2 HR, 16 RBI

Pros: Excellent athlete, has the tools to be a well above average defensive SS. Very good contact skills.
Cons: Very aggressive plate approach, little in-game power so far. Still young, but needs his athleticism to translate into offensive numbers.

Kyle Lotzkar, RHP, 22, BA-NR, Sickels-#15
(Dayton) 4.32 ERA, 66.2 IP, 72 K, 25 BB, 1.14 WHIP

Pros: Throws 3 pitches, with a fastball in the mid-90s, a good curve and a developing changeup. Gets lots of strikeouts and doesn't allow many baserunners.
Cons: Injuries. Tommy John survivor, and his mechanics haven't changed much to help alleviate that risk

Henry Rodriguez, 2B, 22, BA-UR, Sickels-#10
(Bakersfield) .340/.378/.513/.891, 8 HR, 44 RBI
(Carolina) .302/.367/.432/.799, 5 HR, 37 RBI

Pros: Good contact hitter. Doesn't strike out a ton, and will grab you a few stolen bases.
Cons: Unfortunately, the defense. Doesn't walk much, very much a free swinger.

J.C. Sulbaran, RHP, 22, BA-#9, Sickels-#12
(Bakersfield) 4.60 ERA, 137 IP, 155 K, 50 BB, 1.39 WHIP

Pros: Very solid 3-pitch repertoire, with an above average FB and a solid CH and CU. Above average stuff leads to high Ks, and he significantly improved on his previously spotty control in 2011.
Cons: Some question about his unorthodox mechanics remain, although he smoothed them out in 2011. Somewhat of an injury history. Mainly, he needs to repeat his strong season in AA in 2012.

David Vidal, 3B, 22, BA-UR, Sickels-#13
(Dayton) .280/.350/.498/.848, 20 HR, 85 RBI

Pros: Very lively bat, hitting for both average and power. Good defense.
Cons: Still questions about his size (he's listed at 5'11"), and struck out way too much (111 in 454 AB).

Poll
Who is the Reds #8 prospect for 2012?
Tony Cingrani
26 votes
Todd Frazier
107 votes
Didi Gregorius
28 votes
Kyle Lotzkar
18 votes
Henry Rodriguez
41 votes
J.C. Sulbaran
10 votes
David Vidal
10 votes

240 votes | Poll has closed

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Need to make some deal with the Cingrani voters

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 12, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll gladly vote for Cingrani tomorrow

and DiDi the next day. Even though we depleted our farm system a bit, there’s no way Frazier is a top 10 prospect for us.

by FordhamRam on Jan 12, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree on Frazier

His best position is bench.

by poojols on Jan 12, 2012 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Holy hell, I don't even know who to vote for now that my man's been elected...

Vidal. Vidal!

Oh yeah, its my godforsaken 30th birthday today. I’m old as dirt, bitches!!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

30? aww, you're just a baby!

Happy Birthday!

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 12, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Happy Birthday!

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jan 12, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Happy birthday, Kevin Mitchell is Superman!

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 12, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, shit.

I completely fucked that up.

Let’s go get drunk!

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 12, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha!

Tacos and cervezas for everyone!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Welcome to the 30 and over club

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jan 12, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

happy 30th,

you beautiful motherfucker.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 12, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Sniff, sniff....

Thanks yo!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

It all goes downhill after 30....

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jan 12, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Then let's get this party started!

Waffle fries and patron shots at lunch for me.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Cheers, buddy!

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 12, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Awwhh!

Poor beer!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy Birthday yesterday!

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 13, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

Gabriel Rosa is easily a top-15 guy. Easily.

by poojols on Jan 12, 2012 9:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well that's just sad

I think I’ll get him a Wahoo step stool.

by poojols on Jan 12, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I tried to find a reason why it's not a con

But all I found is that all the greatest 3rd basemen were at least 6’.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 12, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted for H-Rod.

I just don’t see Frazier being a top 10 man.

by crolfer on Jan 12, 2012 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

Cingrani now that Yorman has become Ourman on RR

I’m a little down on Rodriquez after last season but the site has increased their love for him this offseason.

I’d like to see 22 yr olds at AA or higher to rank within the top 10 organizational prospects…and a 26 yr old doesnt wow me whatsoever.

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by obc2 on Jan 12, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

I just feel like Cingriani is going to end up being a reliever

A solid one, hopefully. Maybe something like what we were hoping for from Joseph. I’d still value what could hopefully be a solid 2B over him more.

by crolfer on Jan 12, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Cingrani dominated in a way that few do at Billings.

I’ll be very curious to see if he does the same at Dayton. I’m also excited to see Young Buckley.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, this is factually incorrect (" the site has increased their love for him this offseason.")

Last season he was 5th in the Community rankings in a much more stacked system. This year he is 7th. The site has decreased their love for him, and much more so because 2 of the 4 guys who were in front of him last year aren’t even Reds prospects anymore.

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by Slyde on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

And seriously

Is Madson really only getting $6 million this year, with an $11 million 2013 team option/$2.5 million buyout?

Walter, that’s borderline criminal it’s so tasty.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

wowza

Walt has stepped up his game big time this offseason.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 12, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

And Scott Boras slipped up

Waited too long, and the market fell out from under him.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 12, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

17/2 = 8.5

So it’s either 2 years of 8.5 or one year of 8.5. Nice deal IMO.

by jsl413 on Jan 12, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Where'd you see this?

If this is true, I’mma get a big ol’ pretzel with lunch!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

team or mutual option?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 12, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty sure it's mutual

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Jan 12, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If the player acepts the option, but team declines, buyout

If the team accepts the option, but player declines, no buyout.

Follow on Twitter: @jluckhaupt. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!

by Slyde on Jan 13, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

A-ha.

Thank you, Obi-won.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 13, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

wow....the middle aged utility man is leading the pack

at what point does a 26 year old career minor leaguer stop being a “prospect”?

by ephram on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Watch it with that "middle aged" stuff

If 26 is “middle aged”, my ass is almost dead.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 12, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

When he logs enough ML innings to no longer be a prospect.

Remember, he was our #1 prospect two seasons ago. He hasn’t really been given a fair shake either.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jan 12, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he was in BA's top 50 in 2010

And he really hasn’t done anything to contradict earlier assessments. He has hit at every level, plays multiple positions, and proved last year he has big league power. The organization has been very conservative with him, to the point of seeming reluctant to give him a chance, and I’m not sure why.

And fentanyl ain't that like super-morphine for elephants and soldiers with their head blown off

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's just been blocked at every oppportunity

They seem to like END and Cairo more, so 3B is out. They don’t think he can stick at 2B, and BP is there already, so that’s out. I dunno about LF. They liked Gomes and he blocked everyone, then Heisey, FLewis, and Yonder. I’d still like to see him get a shot, but I think his ceiling is pretty low as a LF. He’s definitely best suited for 3B, but he’s our 3rd or 4th stringer there right now.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know, to be honest.

It just seems that there is still a bit of redundancy with END and Frazier, and I’m of the opinion that HiZ is best suited for the 4th OF position.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 12, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d love a good regular OF. Is Justin Upton available?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 12, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Andre Ethier, maybe?

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me

by UncleWeez on Jan 12, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Frazier hasn't done jack since he got promoted to AAA

He’s been in AAA for 3 seasons with an OPS below 800
Juan Francisco is younger and has an OPS up around 900 in AAA

Francisco has better MLB #’s also.

It’s time to try Fraizer in LF or trade him or something….or he will be a 30 year old prospect in a few more years :-)

by ephram on Jan 12, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Been singing it all day to myself.

Might as well put this here before I go to bed.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

fuck yeah, Al!

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 12, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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