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Barry Larkin joins the pantheon

Though he's overshadowed by the tragically flawed heroism of a fellow Cincinnati native, there's very little about Barry Larkin that isn't synonymous with Cincinnati and baseball. Unlike Rose, Larkin not only grew up in the Queen City, but spent his entire professional career with the Reds. In fact, the farthest away he managed to stray between his time at Moeller High School and his 20 year engagement with the franchise was a short drive from the Ohio border at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.

Larkin was a World Series winner, an MVP, an All Star, a Gold Glover and a Roberto Clemente winner in Cincinnati. He served as a bridge between the remnants of the Big Red Machine, the Wire to Wire Reds and a new stadium - itself a bridge to the past with great, but unrealized expectations. He took the field at the close of the 1998 season as part of an unprecedented "all Larkin and Boone sibling" infield. He refused to be traded to New York in 2000.

Larkin may not have achieved legendary status, whether for lack of quotability, controversy or association with the dynasty of the 1970s. But he embodies the characteristics we say that we value in citizen-athletes, beyond prolonged excellence. He stayed with his hometown team in the era of free agency, steering clear of the pitfalls of outsized egoism and prevailing controversies of the eras (were there 2? 3?) in which he played. He was a consummately well-rounded, toolsy player who also did the things, like take walks, that many players who are celebrated as good fielders or "lead off men" often did not. He was recognized for his philanthropy. He had a good, punchy name for sports.

Those outside the 275 beltway might regard Larkin's induction to the Hall of Fame as somewhere just south of Roberto Alomar in note worthiness. "Bernie Larkin? He was around for a while, so Hall of Fame? OK, sure." Relating the meaning of Barry Larkin to a baseball fan who may not have paid attention to the Reds over the last three decades is less visceral than explaining what the outsider status and hard nosed play of Pete Rose says about the city. But I do know that each time I attended a Reds game, Barry Larkin was the one player - constant through the years - that both made me think "wow, that's really him down there" while somehow seeming completely at home and natural, not like an otherworldly celebrity. Like an old friend. (But not in a weird way. I know we're not actually friends.)

At Baseball Projection, Larkin ranks as the 59th best position player of all time in career WAR. He's fourth or fifth all time in runs created above position, depending on how you count A-Rod. He's eighth in Bill James' win shares among shortstops. The BBWA has belatedly recognized him for what both enlightened statistics and eye witness accounts have known for some time.

Congratulations, Barry. It's time to pick out a good street to re-name.

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I say Second Street between Vine and Broadway

Ideally you’d rename Fort Washington Way, since it sits between Second and Third…but that’s maybe a little on-the-nose.

by OHSnap on Jan 10, 2012 5:56 AM EST reply actions  

Between Second and Third is pretty perfect

It’s too bad those pedestrian bridges are so short and don’t really qualify as a proper “street.”

Mgr., Red Reporter

"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 10, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe 11th street would be appropriate to rename

is there an 11th st? if so, i’ve avoided it for three decades…

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Jan 10, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's effectively Central Parkway

Mgr., Red Reporter

"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 10, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

solid decision to avoid Central Parkway

nothing good happens around that stretch of road

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll second that

Nothing should be called a “lateral” outside of American Football.

Mgr., Red Reporter

"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 10, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

The first of two HOF'ers for Moeller's Mike Cameron

I’m sure there are other high school coaches out there with multiple HOF’ers to their credit, but not many. It has to be a nice feeling for him and will be again in a few years when Griffey gets in.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jan 10, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

I say Mehring Way from PBS to Pete Rose Way

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jan 10, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Glenn Sample, wasnt it?

odd, but im getting used to “The New Guy” at GABP. i honestly have no idea when he began his run at the Reds PA announcer, but it seems like he’s always been the only GABP guy. hmmmmm.

Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today

by obc2 on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Glenn Sample was the official scorekeeper for the Reds

not the PA guy. He was an associate athletic director at UC when I worked there years ago and was a really great guy as well.

I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.

by darthmom on Jan 10, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe Zerhusen, "Joe Z"

Hell of a nice guy, with a golden set of pipes.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jan 10, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

One of my favorite Larkin memories:

During the summer of ’04 when Griffey was sitting at 499 homers, my roommate and I drove down to the first game of a series the Reds were playing against the Rangers. Jung Bong started against Kenny Rogers, and the Reds came back from down 4-2 and tied it up in the 9th, courtesy of a blown save from Coco Cordero. The Reds got 2 on in the bottom of the 11th, and Larkin came up to the plate with the whole crowd chanting, “BARRY, BARRY, BARRY!” He obliged the crowd by ripping a ground ball base hit up the middle, scoring LaRue from 3rd, and winning the game. Good times…

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat

by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Only on RR would I admit this...

Glad any Red gets in the Hall but was never a fan and really wonder if Larkin deserves it. There wasn’t a single point his entire career where Barry was the Super Star in Cincinnati let alone the NL or MLB. Davis overshadowed him in the 80’s and Griffey overshadowed him in the 00’s. In the 90’s, there was always a player who played better or was more clutch, whether it be Bip Roberts, Paul O’neil, Ron Gant, Reggie Sanders, Greg Vaughn, Brett Boone, or Sean Casey. Larkin was always hurt when we needed him and when he was at the end, selfishly wanted to keep playing. That trade in 2000 really could have helped the team but he thought of himself. Instead, he burdened the team without much money with a ridiculous contract and couldn’t stay healthy. Not to sound bitter, I’m glad he got his due, just think those to young or not paying close attention don’t realize that Larkin was just really good.

by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jan 10, 2012 12:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Well...um...

Meh.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

To (more politely) expound...

Was Gehrig better than Ruth? McCovey better than Mays? Sandburg better than Dawson?

Who was the best out of Joe Morgan, Johnny Bench, Or Pete Rose?

Does it matter?

Does a “selfish” player retire 2 homers short of 200, 40 RBI short of 1000, or 21 steals short of 400? No. No he doesn’t.

So I disagree with you wholeheartedly.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The only reason he didnt try for those numbers was because Cincy didnt want him

I respect your disagreement, but the players you mentioned were HOFers. The ones I listed were not, except Griffey post legacy secured. Sorry I feel how I feel, but he wasn’t the leader his whole time here. Still respect him, just question it. Sorry I can’t blindly follow the sheep.

by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jan 10, 2012 9:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but if you're going to go against the great weight of the media's and fans' judgment of Larkin, well, the burden of proof is on you

Above you mentioned that “those to[o] young or not paying close attention don’t realize that Larkin was just really good.” Immediately above you sarcastically apologize because you “can’t blindly follow the sheep.” But you don’t make any kind of case that Larkin wasn’t The Man during the ‘90s aside from listing a bunch of nice players and insisting that they were more valuable or “clutch.” You also say that Larkin “was always hurt when we needed him” – when was this? The World Series? ’95 playoffs? I enjoy poking holes in conventional wisdom as much as the next guy, but the wisdom is conventional for a reason. It doesn’t help that you mix in some condescension in your above posts.

This wasn’t your point, but I think it is true that Larkin wasn’t always the fan favorite. Reading between the lines in Poz’s take, you can see how Larkin might not have been the best ambassador to the media or fans. But it certainly wasn’t a big problem, and it’s nowhere near as significant as how freakin’ good he was.

Larkin, though, stood apart. He could be friendly, sure, and he could be edgy. He had a brilliant baseball mind, but he rarely said anything that showed it. He fulfilled his role as team leader completely, but didn’t often seem to enjoy it. He played hard, and he was hurt often.

I think it came down to this: Larkin came to play every day in a way that managers often talk lovingly about but the rest of us find difficult to put into words and difficult to place a value on. Larkin was always on edge, always focused, always on call. I remember once walking out of Yankee Stadium with a writer friend, and for reasons I don’t remember, we were stopped by a police officer, who asked in a snide way: "Are you working?" And my friend said, "I’m ALWAYS working."

That was Larkin. He was ALWAYS working. When he gave an interview, he was working. When he took batting practice, he was working. When he fielded ground balls, he was working. When he was signing autographs or telling a joke or celebrating in the locker room after a game, he was working.

by ken on Jan 10, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Word, yo!

And to dumb it down a tad, exactly how many times has Jeter been the best player on the Yankees? Biggio with the ’Strohs?

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 11, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

fuck Jeter

but he’s still a HOF due to his bat

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you saying he's the turtle, not the hare?

Are you saying he’s the girl next door, the one who takes off her glasses and lets down her pony tail at the end of the movie and it turns out she was super hot the whole time?

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 11, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I also disagree, but for a slightly different yet similar reason...

I understand the point you are asserting. I think generally, and certainly before Ozzie Smith’s back-flips, the shortstop was, and to a certain extent remains, an under-appreciated position. Consequently, individuals that excel there are occasionally overlooked by the powers-that-be. That notwithstanding, I take issue with the following comment espoused by you:

There wasn’t a single point his entire career where Barry was the Super Star in Cincinnati let alone the NL or MLB.

You may have missed the MVP award Barry received in 1995 which was the first won by a shortstop in over 30 years. Additionally, you may also have forgotten that fact that Barry was the first 30/30 shortstop in the history of Major League Baseball. You may also have forgotten that Larkin was the first team Captain since Concepción’s retirement.

Larkin was a star. He was recognized nationally and locally as a star and as a leader.

by Legal Trouble on Jan 11, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

-1

Brevity is the soul of wit.

by Heeringa on Jan 10, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 11, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Larkin = Great

I’ve been fan for Larkin’s entire career and never a Reds fan, and he was most certainly great.

You could replace any all-time great SS with Larkin and the team would would be just as successful.

Most arguments are really about context.

by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Is larkin a top-10 or top-12 SS all-time?

if so, how is he still not a HOFer?

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 11, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Larkin truly deserving

one of the best all around short stops in the history of the game. Though he is partially lucky to have played in an era of mediocre shortstops—especially having his best years before Jeter, Garciaparra, Rodriguez, and Tejada had their incredibly awesome years.

I was at the game where he finally hit his first grand slam. Though better SS’s have come since, he is still very worthy.

Interesting article by C Trent on cbs’s site about next year’s candidates. If Larkin had not been inducted this year, he may never have made it!

http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/34288363

Interesting to see out of this list who will make it? I’d say Lofton, Biggio, and Schilling are the only ones who even have a chance.

by cokane on Jan 11, 2012 7:44 AM EST reply actions  

Sadly, Lofton has no chance

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jan 11, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Baseball America's report on Larkin after his first pro season:

8. Barry Larkin, ss, 21, 5-11, 175, R-R
When Larkin came out of Cincinnati’s Moeller High School in 1982, the Reds thought enough of him to make him a second-round selection. Larkin, however, turned them down and decided to go to the University of Michigan. The Reds never gave up hope, and when Larkin was eligible in the draft again last summer, they used their No. 1 pick to take him. This time he signed, and he gave the Reds nothing but reason for optimism with his debut.

Larkin looked right at home in AA, hitting .267 for Vermont. He didn’t show power (one home run in 255 at-bats), but that will come. The key for him was just getting his feet on the ground, and he was not overpowered by the high level of competition (21 strikeouts in 255 at-bats). He will have good power for a shortstop.

In fact, he should hit enough that he could be moved to third base, a good possibility considering (Kurt) Stillwell is on the verge of making it to the big leagues.

It would only be because of Stillwell that Larkin would have to change positions. He’s got the range and natural actions of a shortstop, and good enough arm strength to play the position on turf.

Here are Double-A Eastern League scouting reports on Bernie Williams and Jeff Bagwell, when they ranked No. 2 and No. 4, respectively, in 1990, as written by Phil Bowman of the Canton (Ohio) Repository . . .

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Jan 11, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

Good stuff

That Stillwell-for-Jackson trade was a stroke of genius.

by ken on Jan 11, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't Leave Us Behind

I want to thank all the Reds fans who in the name of Barry picked up the flag of Trammell’s Hall of Fame candidacy as well. I’m very happy Larkin earned this very deserved recognition (we have a special place in our hearts for Ohioans who Go Blue).

I ask now that you continue to join Tiger fans in addressing the next-most glaring absence in Hall of Fame voting, the guy with basically the exact same career as Larkin, left behind only because what happens in the Midwest for some reason just isn’t that important to the BBWAA.

As you celebrate the induction of one of the six greatest players to ever man the 6, I ask that you don’t forget the other.

www.mgoblog.com

by Misopogon on Jan 12, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Oh, trust me.

I’m right behind you on the Trammell thing. I never saw the guy play or anything, but from a pure stats standpoint, he belongs in my book.

by crolfer on Jan 12, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

right there with you, our cold-stated brother.

What stadium is that? Cleveland Muni?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jan 12, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Anaheim? Runner's uni looks like it.

Although you can’t see people in the stands, so Cleveland might be right.

by ken on Jan 12, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Guy below is correct

It’s in California, or Los Angeles, or Anaheim, or Orange County, or whatever: Los California Angeles of Los Angeles in Anaheim, in California, Stadium, pre-Disney.

That’s not real greenery: it’s the painted scene between the left field grandstand and bleachers:

www.mgoblog.com

by Misopogon on Jan 15, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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