What Howie Kendrick's extension means for Brandon Phillips
Over the weekend, the Angels and Howie Kendrick reportedly hammered out a contract extension for four years and $33.5 mil. The deal buys out Kendrick's final arbitration year, as well as three free agent years. If I had to guess, I would assume the payment outlay is something like $5.5/7.5/9/11 plus a buyout on an option year or something like that. I'm sure the details will surface over the next few days. The most important thing though is that the established value of just over $8 mil per year, and around $9.5 mil for his free agent seasons. It's just shy of the four year, $38.5 mil deal Rickie Weeks signed last winter. Regardless of what the actual numbers are, the contract will likely have a serious impact on the ongoing Brandon Phillips contract negotiations.
Kendrick and Phillips are actually fairly similar hitters over their careers. Take a look:
| PAs | BB% | K% | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | OPS+ | |
| Phillips | 4365 | 6.0 | 14.3 | .272 | .322 | .434 | 96 | 96 |
| Kendrick | 2638 | 4.2 | 16.9 | .292 | .329 | .434 | 104 | 105 |
A few things that stand out: most obvious is the fact that Phillips has more than 2.5 full seasons' worth of PAs over Kendrick at this point. This is in part due to the fact that Phillips is older (he'll be 31 this season, Kendrick will be 28), but it's worth mentioning that Phillips didn't play his way into the lineup until he was 25, while Kendrick was a starter at 23. But also, they are very different players in terms of durability. Kendrick has struggled over his five seasons to stay on the field, only playing in more than 105 games just twice (his two most recent seasons). Phillips is the picture of consistency though, playing in more than 140 games each of the last six seasons. So while Kendrick may have the advantage in youth, Phillips mitigates that with a much better health history.
The most striking thing to me is their nearly identical slash lines. Their SLG numbers are exactly the same, and Kendrick holds a seven point advantage in OBP. Their park-adjusted stats show just how much home park can affect a hitter. Kendrick gets a boost for playing in pitcher-friendly Anaheim while Phillips gets knocked for GABP. The difference in parks adds up to an eight or nine point difference in their park-adjusted rate stats, depending on which one you prefer. Gnarly, dude.
One stat I purposely left off the above graph is perhaps the most critical in making projections for these guys. As you can see, Kendrick hardly ever walks, so his offensive value is derived almost exclusively from his ability to hit the ball with some pop and use his speed. His career BABIP is an impressive .339. Phillips', on the other hand, walks a bit more (though still not much) and strikes out less. But his BABIP is a league-averageish .292. It seems the Angels took this into account during their contract negotiations, as a guy with Kendrick's offensive profile and injury history is not likely to age all that well. Considering the fact that Phillips is a few years older, even with his clean injury history, I'd rate their Cliff Factor (or their likelihood of steep and rapid decline) as roughly the same, or perhaps a bit in BP's favor.
It would be foolish to overlook their defense. Here's what the numbers say:
| UZR | DRS | TZL | FSR | |
| Phillips | 55.8 | 26 | -49.1 | 33 |
| Kendrick | 23 | 21 | 3.3 | -1 |
One of the most interesting phenomena (to me, anyway) in advance statistics is the fact that Total Zone thinks Brandon Phillips is a Total Bum. Every other data set agrees with the general public, pro scouts, and his peers that he is one of the elite defensive infielders in the game today. As for Kendrick, these are just his numbers at 2B. His versatility is an asset worth mentioning, as he has also played a not-insignificant number of innings at 1B and LF. But the takeaway here is that he is no slouch himself in the field. He doesn't have the Gold Gloves that BP has, but I think it's safe to say he's a plus defensive 2B. Whatever advantage BP has with the glove is probably mitigated by Kendrick's advantage with the bat. In short, these guys are about even.
So now that we've established that these guys are about equally valuable, let's discuss money. The extension that Kendrick signed over the weekend is reported to be for four years and $33.5 mil. That is less than the numbers that have been floating around the BP extension talks, even considering that Kendrick's first year of his extension is his last year of arbitration. I can't remember where I read it (and can't seem to find it), but I recall that Phillips has been asking for something in between the Weeks deal and the Uggla deal. This deal for Kendrick comes in even lower than the Weeks endpoint. Phillips made $11.5 mil last year and will make $12 mil this coming season. One can assume that he's looking for something more along the lines of the ~$12 mil he's been making and what Dan Uggla will make over the life of his extension (five years, $62 mil), considering he's coming off a career year where he started the All-Star Game and won both the Gold Glove and the Silver Slugger. Hell, he could even make the case that he deserves a raise.
It's safe to assume though that the Reds will use this Kendrick contract to try and gain some leverage. The 2B market has evolved over the past year and so any extension should reflect that. If the deal is to be somewhere between Weeks and Uggla, the Reds could use Kendrick to try and push the needle closer to Weeks. I think it's bad news for those who are rooting for a deal to get done. Phillips isn't going to give the Reds what he sees as a homeboy discount, and the Reds will probably be less willing to stretch to meet his demands. All in all, I still think the will to get a deal done is there for both sides, but the economics just got more complicated.
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Moar thredz?!
I’ve got a lot of catching up to do.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions
Someone tell me if I've missed anything good in the football threads because they're in the back of my pantry and I don't know if i'll ever get to 'em.
Like a couple of cans of water chestnuts. Just waiting for a church’s food drive.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
hA!
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I actually threw away a can of pears recently
They had been in the back of the pantry so long they had expired. Canned pears. Expired!
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You won't survive the apocalypse throwing away perfectly fine canned pears.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
After the apocalypse..
two cans of pears could be enough to influence several thousand voters in South Carolina’s presidential primary.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
those left behind
will be hungry for fruit
Jack McKeon on 2000 Reds "We have more MRI's than RBI's on this club."
by dunnateher on Jan 10, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's already enough to bribe everyone in Dixville Notch.
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Funny, my first thought when I saw Uggla's contract numbers (thanks, Chuck!) was, "Damn, Dan Uggla is a wealthy wealthy man."
I know he’s a good baseball player but geez Louise that’s a lot of money for Dan Uggla, no?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
30+ home runs five straight years, and the deal ends after his age 35 season
$13 million/year for the next four years. BP is getting $12 million next year. Over the last five years Uggla has 13.4 WAR, BP has 11.7.
Not terribly overpriced?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I think it's a lot for a guy with a high Cliff Factor
On the WARs, I think the last three years are a much better representation than five. Players develop and age so much that they’re rarely who they were five years ago. BP’s a good example – he’s got less power and speed now, but commands the strike zone better. I think three years does the best job of using the most relevant data while still accumulating a large enough sample size. They’re about even in bWAR during that time (9-8 BP), but Phillips has the fWAR advantage (14-10).
Atlanta should be very worried about Uggla. Last year might have been a BABIP-driven slump, or it could be the start of steep decline for powerful but slow player. Defensively he’s always looked bad at second, and the numbers support that. It also can’t help all those young pitchers they have to man a statue at second. But they’re kinda stuck with him there with Freeman at 1B, unless Uggla’s arm is strong enough to play in the outfield.
What does the Cliff Factor have to say about 1' gator arms and inside fastballs?
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
I agree they should be worried, and I don't think BP should be extended even though I love him
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nope, shouldn't extend him
hopefully we learned from the Arroyo extension
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Does Uggla have the footspeed for left field?
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by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Depends how many sandwiches are by the foul pole.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Without looking, I'm gonna say no
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Really like BP
But there isn’t a good reason for the Reds to extend him. He is on the wrong side of his prime to be handing out market rate deals. I like him and appreciate his value…. just don’t think it makes sense for the Reds to do such a deal.
indeed
I think a BP extension is bad idea jeans.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
To te same point, however
Now that Kendrick is off the market, if we let BP go, who the hell plays 2B on our 2013 World Series team? He best free agent available (non BP edition) would be Kelly Johnson (yuck), and I doubt Hank Rod is ready yet.
Whatchagonnadu?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
did you not see the ZIPS projections?!?
Hank Rod would hit .279 in the majors this year and his #1 comp is Robin Yount!
But seriously, I don’t know. It’s a bit of a Catch-22…
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
Well, Hank-Rod is a good prospect, no question about it
But my baseball people love Cord Phelps’ bat. They keep saying “Cord Phelps’ bat! Cord Phelps’ bat!”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
But how do we BP Cord Phelps, and his bat, from the Indians ... Again!
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
If Hank-Rod doesn't force his way into the lineup, we'll have to make a trade.
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
But
could the money that would be used for Phillips be better directed some place else.
Maybe at third, left, or a starting pitcher.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
and then
some
Jack McKeon on 2000 Reds "We have more MRI's than RBI's on this club."
Yeah, this
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by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
so which prospect is gonna replace him and end up being a HOF?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
If Dr. Who was on my king size bed in my new apartment, I'd be doing more than just watching him.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
This one

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck!
This one, but up here instead of down there!
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not a huge fun of the 21st century Dr. Who show, but I DO have a major crush on David Tennant.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
Yeah, they definitely added some sex appeal to the new show
But I liked the old show. Get your sex appeal out of my sci/fi, damnit!
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't MIND the sex appeal so much, but I watched a couple episodes, and the plots were... really dumb.
I remember liking the Tom Baker episodes when I saw them, but I don’t remember much else. Perhaps I’m just pickier now.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
Agreed.
I like a lot of British shows, but they have never been very good at sci-fi. I guess they don’t have enough of the right kind of nerds there.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's been there for years. You just had to look a little harder.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man... I had the pre-adolescent hots for her
She made me feel funny, but I didn’t know why.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Those weren't 'the hots.'
When you’re thirteen they’re called ‘the warmsies.’
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
insert pic
of Mike Seaver’s bestie
Jack McKeon on 2000 Reds "We have more MRI's than RBI's on this club."
Wilma was soooo hot...
But I’m more of a Princess Ardala kinda guy:

Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
You're so Hollywood, Pete.
You would go for the evil royalty. Scantily-clad and vain like a bitch, she who sexually extorts to get the Buck she wants.
Out here in the Midwest, we prefer to have on our arms around the gals who have modestly and honestly worked their way up to the rank of colonel and done so with some top-notch fighter-pilotin.’ While wearing brightly-colored spandex bodysuits.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I loved Ardala because she was buxom and horny.
I was in puberty. Horny gal won.
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 11, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm watching the David Tennant ones now. He's probably my favorite.
Christopher Eccleston was pretty awesome too though.
dang
You have a king size bed in your first apartment? I had a twin.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
You have a twin sister?
thatz hawt
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
romulus and remus/d
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
by Excalib8 on Jan 10, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One of his beds KILLED The other one, and then founded a mattress empire.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
Who knew wolves made such great mattresses?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
There's a Little Red Riding Hood joke in here, but I just can't...
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
My, grandma. What big pillows you have!
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by ZJiff30 on Jan 10, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm currently rolling with an aerobed for the next 4 months, holla
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Once you've had back..
pain like that you’ll never go back
to sleeping on one again.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
I have a great mattress but it wasn't worth moving for 4 months
moving a mattress and box springs is the pits.
Good news is that this is easily the best air mattress I’ve ever slept on. It’s remarkably firm.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
You missed a heck of a burger tonight
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jan 10, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I thought you guys went on Wednesday nights?
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by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
You thought incorrectly
Sounds like jch dropped the ball
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jan 10, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
No, he didn't
I didn’t email him til I got home tonight. This one’s on me.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Next time, brother
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jan 10, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Do you guys ever do it on a weekend?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Not usually, but sometimes
Weeknights tend to work best for most of us
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
I'll fit a stop in
I was just curious, because I could probably make most RR weekend meetups
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by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Our annual Game 2 meetup is a weekend this year
(yes, I’m posting this to remind everyone to start getting plans for game 2 together)
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Is it a saturday night?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
It is indeed
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Damn, I'm gonna try to do that
The last weeks of April I’m 100% free so I’m going to try to go to every home game before I leave
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by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Saturday night?
Look out.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
that's the rumor
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
congrats on your first apt ....
… which side of town are you on now?
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
Always go with the two full size beds over a queen
One to sleep in, one to play in.
Oh wait, apartment not hotel room.
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by jch24 on Jan 10, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the real way to do it is have 2 bedrooms in an apartment
1 for sleeping, 1 for whatever the Hell else it is you wanna do
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Of course BP stays healthy.
In the offseason he goes into #ALTEREDBEAST mode.
#BAOW
Born Small... Now Huge... Winning... Bring it..!
Fuck!
This one
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 2:24 PM EST reply actions
Is this some kind of time-space bendy Dr. Who joke?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Who?
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously you don't know anything about Dr. Who.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about you guys, but this might be my favorite Barry Larkin picture yet

Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
that's not a Cubs shirt, by the way
it’s the All-Star Game shirt that happened to be hosted at Wrigley that year
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
Thanks, Deadspin.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
don't you have a Dr. Who picture to post somewhere 97 times?
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
by UncleWeez on Jan 10, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Don't mind if I don't not!

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
NICE!
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Can almost hear the Bell Biv Devoe in the background
by ken on Jan 10, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
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It's driving me out of my mind
That’s why it’s hard for me to find
Can’t get it out of my head
Miss her, kiss, her love her
Wrong move, you’re dead
This was my favorite song in 5th grade.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
There are kids that weren't born when that album came out that are legally able to drink, shit
Euthanize me now.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
i think everyone had that cassette single
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody explain to crolfer what a cassette single was.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
I just got rid of my truck that only played cassette tapes.
It was a sad day when that old bitch died.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
My car still has it!
11 years, 140,00 miles, and still truckin’
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 10, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
God....I've put 90,000 miles on my car in 3.5 years
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When I was home over Christmas
My 18 year old sister was wearing a t-shirt with a cassette tape on it and the words “Old School”. And it wasn’t ironic.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
This is simultaneously hilarious and unsettlingly depressing
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
how old is your car?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
stop talking about my personal life
dick
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Who's the white fella?
I swear he looks familiar.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
they all look alike.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
arsonist
I should flag this
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
It might be Casey Close, his agent who was also his roommate at UM

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Beltless was a thing back then, I think
I forgot a belt the other day. I was completely humiliated.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
what is it
with BP and Total Zone? I mean, I could see it showing him being not as good as UZR, or even just average. But how does it give him that terrible, horrible, gawd-awful ranking?
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I wish I understood the TZ ratings better
I know that their used to be problems with fielding data because there were two sources on batted balls – BIS and Elias (or was one of them STATS?). Not sure if that’s still the case.
Looking at the raw numbers, BP gets to more balls than Kendrick. BP’s had a range factor per nine at 4.8 the past three years. Kendrick has been below that, and in the 4.5’s the past two years. That could be skewed if the Reds had a stellar pitching staff that induced a ton of grounders, but that hasn’t been the case. I would think that Kendrick gets more opportunities simply because he’s playing in the DH league, where there’s more scoring and therefore more times the opponent is up to bat.
Defensive metrics are dumb.
If they don’t agree with each other, how can we trust them?
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
if they're not measuring the same thing
why do they have to agree?
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Because that would be polite.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what are they measuring
that BP’s so bad at?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Not sure
I don’t know what the source of current day TZ stats are, but I know old TZ stuff is based off of retrosheet event files. It’s possible that the formula doesn’t properly account for something in the data relative to GABP. It’s possible it doesn’t handle BP’s style well. It’s also possible that it sees something we don’t (though in this case I’d guess that’s not true).
The biggest downfall of defensive stats right now is that they are manually scored. That means that hit location, batted ball type/speed, and the like are all subjective. It could be as simple as the fact that whoever logs data in Cincinnati for TZ has a bad view of 2B from their seat. This doesn’t mean we should dismiss defensive metrics altogether. But it does require us to have a discerning eye.
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hmmm
Well, if it’s something to do with GABP or where the data logger sits, it should show up for other players playing 2B for Cincinnati. Though BP’s in the lineup so much, the sample size would be really tiny.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
"If they don’t agree with each other, how can we trust them?" - How other blogs look at us
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Thanks for this, CS.
This post taught me that Howie Kendrick and Kendry Morales are indeed two different people.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 10, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
That's Kendrys Morales
He hates it when people mess that up.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jan 10, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
What kinda Gaylord names his son Kendrys
But at least his name isn’t Munchie Legos.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
What a tease!
I just drove over the Suspension bridge, and the stadium scoreboard was on with lineups and everything. It had BP’s picture on there as if he were up to bat. With how nice and sunny it is, seeing that made me think for half a second that there was a game going on.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
lineups?
Who were the Reds playing?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I couldn't read it because I was driving, and couldn't stop on the bridge.
But, the opposing team’s background color was royal blue.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
or the Dodgers
I’m tempted to walk down and see exactly what it says, just out of curiosity. But I’m also feeling lazy…
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
do it!
Take a photo! I wanna know if Heisey or Cozart is in the 2-hole.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 10, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hanigan
in the poo hole
Jack McKeon on 2000 Reds "We have more MRI's than RBI's on this club."
too slow
He’ll clog the bases!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Doh!
That was supposed to Washington Generals.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 10, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously, you couldn't risk the injury...
But that would be fantastic if the Reds were to see a good 3 or 4 days listed in the 10-day forecast during the winter and get as many current and former Reds together for a little exhibition with $5 General Admission tickets.
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This is cool and all
but it’s kinda spammy.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of Sammy,
see that LeCure thinks he’ll be besties with LaTos?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
There has to be a word for when something is simultaneously spammy and benevolent.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 10, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
tofu?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 10, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
You're amazing.
It took you six minutes to come up with what would have taken me at least sixty.
If I had gotten there at all. (Lord knows I would have tried all day to come up with it.)
Rec’d.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
/head nod
/wink
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 10, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
just figured out your sig is a You Don't Know Jack reference.
That’s pretty cool.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
upon further review, you're right.
Which is too bad. It could’ve been Flippergish Testgum.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 12, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
So I would think that this makes it more likely that BP and the Reds get something done?
Seems like with a comparable contract set, BP will have to decide whether he wants to lower his salary expectations to something similar to Kendrick OR test the free agent markets.
via teh Fay
more info on Reds Caravan.
The Southern Tour stops in West Virginia, Ohio and Kentucky and features Hall of Fame broadcaster Marty Brennaman, All-Star second baseman Brandon Phillips, Assistant General Manager Bob Miller, broadcaster and former pitcher Chris Welsh, Reds Hall of Famer Lee May, minor league catcher Tucker Barnhart and mascot Gapper.
The Northern Tour stops in Ohio and West Virginia and features broadcaster Thom Brennaman, catcher Devin Mesoraco, President of Baseball Operations and General Manager Walt Jocketty, Reds COO Phil Castellini, Reds Hall of Famer Tom Browning, minor league outfielder Ryan LaMarre and mascot Mr. Redlegs.
The Western Tour stops in Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky and features broadcaster Jim Kelch, broadcaster and former pitcher Jeff Brantley, Manager Dusty Baker, infielder Todd Frazier, 2011 minor league Player of the Year Billy Hamilton, VP of Baseball Operations Dick Williams and mascot Rosie Red.
The Reds newest mascot Mr. Red will make special appearances at selected stops, including Huntington, Charleston, Parkersburg, Columbus and Louisville. Pitcher Nick Masset and Reds CEO Bob Castellini will also appear at selected stops, to be announced at a later date.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
We have another new mascot?
This is why we don’t have any money to go after high-priced free agents!
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
Mr. Red's just the rebirth of an old mascot.
I suspect someone just found the old costume in a box that hadn’t been unpacked from Riverfront yet.
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
It looks a lot worse than the old Mr. Red
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
And there are surely more exciting surprises for the kids in that dusty storage closet.

How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly one current reds established ballplayer is participating
Kudos to BP
Buy RED: My Uncensored Life in Rock by Sammy Hagar, today
Way to shit all over Nick Masset.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I wonder how they decide
who goes on the tour. I doubt they invite everyone.
Though it seems like Todd Frazier is there every year.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
maybe they ask for volunteers.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
I could believe that of the big league players
But they must pick players to invite from the farm.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I'd bet that they haven't asked Votto so that they play that card when it comes time to negotiate.
“C’mon, Joe, we never asked you to do the Caravan. That’s gotta be good for something, right?”
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt you know what I'm talking about,
but when I see “#12 Prospect Stetson” in your sig, I get very happy, and then immediately very sad.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
If you glance it almost looks like "Stenson Alive"
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Seems like he goes every year.
BP is pretty amazing, when you really stop and think about it.
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what the "Shops at Lexington Center" are.
Anyone?
In any case, I’m going to be at these hypothetical shops on Jan. 29, and see BP! Yay!
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
The civic center (at Rupp)
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
That's a good question...
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I went last year and it was crazy packed
Get there early or they will cut you off.
And no, nobody goes there except for Cats games. I went to middle school about 2 blocks away and they would take us to the food court on special occasions. It would be a weekday afternoon, prime lunch hour, and the place was deserted.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
What kind of deserted?
Puddinged? Banana breaded? Ice cream sandwiched?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
kalaharied duHhhhhhhhhHh!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Bananas make me gag.
Zucchini and pumpkin breads are where it’s at.
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Make you gag? How? They're delicious
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know. It's a reflex.
I physically just can’t eat bananas. I wish I could— they’re cheap and healthy and people say they’re delicious.
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've eaten a banana pretty much every day of my life
I’m not sure what I would do without them.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care for bananas, either
I can eat them if I have to, but I prefer not to.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
well, that answers that question
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I used to hate them and gag like you say
but then a long time later after not trying them, I tried again and now I like them. They are healthy and the most convenient of all fruits!
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
plus they do wonders when you are hungover
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not a fan of them either
They’re either too green or too mushy. They’re only good for about two days.
I don't know why my kids call me that. I think I'm a pretty nice mom.
I had a relative who used to say "you don't buy green bananas at my age"
But bless his soul, he got to say it for about twenty years.
You're supposed to chew them first
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
that's gotta impact your social agenda
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Red Reporter Banana Bread:
Unfortunately, the nuts.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
CHERRY HUDSON JUNIOR WITH A RISING LOAF
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 10, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Gray's hat!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's my favorite Reds hat ever
I had one as a kid that I outgrew and it took me years to find another one that fits (I wear a size 8)
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
#3.
I don’t really wear hats anymore, but I’d love to get a new all-red one.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
All-red ones would be much, much better
if they’d lose the dropshadow and go with the 70s style all-red cap
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm wearing one right now!
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Nice, where'd you get it?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Koch's Sporting Goods on 4th St, downtown
New Era stopped making the drop-shadowless caps, but some company called Richardson makes them.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
That's very, very close to where I live
I passed it two or three times today.
I need to stop in and look around. I noticed they had a Chris Sabo jersey among other things.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
they have a great deal of cool Reds stuff
are you on 4th?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Just off of 4th
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sabo jersey = instant street cred.
I feel like driving up there just to check it out.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I bet the Richardson hats are cheaper than the New Era ones anyway
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
yup.
Just the 1970 uniform in general. That’s what the Reds should wear.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 10, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I lost my all Reds hat in Mexico over the summer
Luckily I had an identical one at home to replace it!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You may be the only person I've ever heard of with a bigger head than me.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
My dad would probably wear an 8 1/8 or 8 1/4 if he wore ballcaps.
It’s just stupid how big his head is. He tried on one of my 8s one time and I thought the seams were going to bust.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I wear an 8 as well, I can normally wear a 7 7/8
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 10, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I have a 7 3/4 I can squeeze into, maybe one even smaller, but
unless it’s an 8 it sorta just sits on my head and doesn’t come down on my head
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if I am going to wear it everyday, a 7 3/4 will normally stretch out.
But the Hat I got married in was an 8, because it had to fit the first time.
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 10, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I can't wear baseball hats
I look utterly ridiculous. I have a Reds toboggan I can wear in the winter, but that’s it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Two things
You got married while wearing a hat? How’d you pull that off?
Thanks to all of you for easing my insecurities about the size of my head. I feel like it’s a pea in a sea of watermelons now.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I guess I feel a little better, but 7 1/4 at 5'0" is still pretty bad from a basic ratio standpoint.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
I'm 5'-1"
And wear a 7-1/8 or thereabouts.
Though I have thick hair. If I shaved my head bald, I’d need a much smaller hat.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
If I have any hair at all, an 8 is almost too snug.
#monsterhead
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
I have seen ZJiff in person and can verify his #monsterhead comment
It’s a cute #monsterhead though!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
oh, snap!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/ryan-madson-reds-in-serious-talks.html
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
awesome
a big contract to a closer who is over 30.
What could go wrong!?
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
to be fair, Heyman is reporting this
so there is a good chance it’s total horseshit
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
or the Reds may be trying to show Coco there are other options.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
and Madson's a Boras guy,
so I’m not holding my breath
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
We do now!
Brackman is a Boras guy. The only other one I can remember from the past is Felipe Lopez.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
At this point, are you really in the room with Scott Boras?
Or does he have an underling inking the Brackman deal?
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
If you're Scott Boras and you represent Andrew Brackman..
..you probably just have Brackman hand the contract and a stamp to Walt.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Jon Heyman. MLBTR reported that he is actually Scott Boras’ butt puppet.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well Ladies and Gents
Thanks to Scrabbles, I’ve now got “butt puppet” sung to the theme of “Hot Pocket” stuck in my head.
Beavis, Butthead, and Jim Gaffigan would all be soooo proud!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Ohhhhhh God
Now I’m doing it, too.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Two hours later I still am, too.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in favor of it, assuming it isn't ridiculous
but you bring up a good point re: big contract for relievers. We’ve been bitching about Cordero’s contract hampering us since it was signed, but now we’re all gung-ho over Madson potentially signing a very similar deal. Madson is a better pitcher, but still, it’s interesting
Fuck lion say what! i got a fuck lion now come fuck wit me
If the Reds had two less form the LeCure, Marshall, Bray, Masset, Ondrusek, and the Arredondo pool I would be in favor of it
I guess if Oswalt isn’t available, or they deem him too expensive, getting guys like Madson hedges their bets.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
He's 31
And by all accounts, his price has significantly gone down. I’m not saying Walt won’t overpay for him, but he’s pretty clearly the best reliever on the market
Fuck Murray Chass
and he likely doesn't have many suitors
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
They chat online for like, two hours every day, so yeah, I guess you could say things are serious.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Butt Puppet! ®
I’m pretty sure I’m going to do that every time someone types Heyman.
crashtestnipplechip citymoron
by Excalib8 on Jan 10, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Perfect!
Now just sign Manny for LF and we’re ready to roll!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Only if they get Pedro, too!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Mostly just for the inevitable picture of Pedro, Cueto, and Corcino.
The circle would be complete!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Gross.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Even little stupid rumors about signing Madson does this to me.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I call it the Nasty Hook.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I bet Bronson gets a spray tan for his piece
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
There are black and yellow 'caution' markings on it.
Yeah, ‘caution.’ No shit, caution.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
/wizkhalifa'd
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They're talking about Madson, not Wood
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Jan 10, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
What song is this?
I have been trying for two days to figure out what song this is.
Anyone know?
Or is it not a song, just some random riff?
Go Colts Dammit!
Fearless by Pink Floyd
Sick tune, at that.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
No problemo, amigo.
Check out the rest of the album while you’re at it.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Unrelated, but did anyone see youth reporter Meggie Zahneis's latest article?
An interview with Dusty about his players. My favorite part:
Drew Stubbs especially stood out to Baker as the resident bookworm. “He’s always doing a crossword puzzle or reading on his computer,” Baker said.
Only in the world of professional sports does “doing a crossword puzzle” equate to “bookworm.”
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 10:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And you just KNOW that by "on the computer"
he means “crying over being ripped on RR.”
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
"and sometimes when he reads on his computer
he sheds a single tear, shakes his fist angrily at the sky and shouts, ‘Why Highlifeman? Whyyyyyyyyy?’"
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Stubbs really is Willie Mays Hayes in the Major League movies
Runs like Mays
Hits like Hayes
.. except Hayes made more contact in those movies
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
He is also a Family Guy fan, and was supposedly president of some sort of college political club (not important which party, let's not get into that),
so Dusty may be onto something.
Also, I like what Meggie Zahneis has produced so far, it’s safe to say it’s better journalism than 90% of what else is out there.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 10, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
If Meggie and Fay were in a spelling bee together... be honest...
Everyone here is taking Meggie, right?
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
what's the spread?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed and agreed.
No disrespect to Stubbs— he may be crazy smart and a big reader. Just poking fun at the particular activities Dusty chose to highlight.
And I think Meggie’s doing great and love that MLB’s youth reporter is a Reds fan. A kid can get away with asking the more personal questions, which makes for fun interviews. And she’s a decent writer, too!
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
It was actually the Sunday New York Times crossword puzzle.
And Stubbsey was wearing slippers and smoking a pipe.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 10, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
while wearing a monocle
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I had no idea that was done by a kid until the byline.
I’m genuinely impressed.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 11, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Also makes me like Dusty more.
He’s just a nice guy, good-natured and a friendly person. He’s very unpretentious.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 11, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
this is not surprising at all
#Reds source says they’vetalked to everyone still out there. Downplayed Madson.
— John Fay (@johnfayman) January 11, 2012
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And now Heyman tweets they've reached an agreement.
No word on whether or not this affects our chances of bringing D-Train back.
by DocRam on Jan 10, 2012 11:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Marshall, D-Train, Madson sounds pretty good to me.
Also, I’m learning that when the Reds deny something vehemently, it’s completely true. When they are indifferent seeming, then it’s untrue.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 10, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well, damn.
Because I haven’t heard anything from the team about Dontrelle. Does that mean they won’t be signing him?
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think he'll change his mind.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
This is awesome!!!
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Willis signed with
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Philly.
I think.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think mlbtraderumors reported something about it.
They always have the scoop.
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 11, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
How much more expensive could Oswalt be than Madson?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
I don't know, but I have a bad feeling about this.
I’d rather have Oswalt for 2/20 than Madson for 4/3x or whatever it’s going to cost.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I bet Madson is only a one year deal.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
that would be sweet
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by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
You think he would take a one year deal and play the market again next year?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
he almost has to at this point
or become a setup man
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by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't have much choice.
The Reds were pretty much the only team that could use him. I’d bet on a 1 year $5-6 mil deal.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
$5-6MM sounds low
If it’s 1/$6M, then I’m all over this deal
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
It does sound low.
But, think of it this way. He needs to be a closer. If he plans on testing the market again then he needs the saves. Otherwise it will lower his future earnings. Everyone else has a closer or would only sign him to set up man money. He is stuck in a bad spot.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I really can't believe it would be that low
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I mean it could be higher, but I wouldn't be surprised.
It could be $8,000,000 a year.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to say 9-10MM
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think we had enough freed up to spend $8,000,000.
That is why I went with that number. Plus, he still didn’t any one to give him that much money.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
It's in his best interest, given the market
It won’t be for more than 2 years, unless the Reds have completely lost their shit
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
We think this is really a 1-year window, right?
Or are they really going to let Votto walk for nothing? Or do they think he’ll re-sign? ? questionmark
The Votto window is effectively 2 years, I'd say
I think they’d risk letting him walk if they thought he’d sign long-term
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
MLBTR reporting that Madson is a Red
when everybody is around and we're swinging for long bombs away, how do we come around to know - man, this really is what it's for?
Waaaaaaaiting......

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Make sure it's in color.

Those baby blues sure help his tigrmetrics.
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Rawr.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
wow, it's still around?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 11, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
did you see this one??
this is a shot from a Phillies calendar (allegedly)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/FdVN9si5o2o/S-GOpg0NQI/AAAAAAAAALY/9oA7dZzjJ3A/s1600/Madson.JPG
I’m not IMG linking it because the file is too big
holy cow
Why do the Reds not have calendars like this?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The one that I have has Edinson Volquez as Mr. January
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by BK on Jan 11, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does it also have Bronson Arroyo as Mr. 6th Inning?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 11, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He might not make it past May.
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 11, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
definitely
If they want to raise some money for a LFer, common, sell calendars!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
and Masset
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by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
the Three M-sketeers?
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by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
The Campbell's Soup Bullpen
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, this is getting unfairly overshadowed with the Madson rumors
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
But at least we recieved the enjoyment of reading it
That’s all that matters
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
I googled "ma ma ma" and found
this song by the Electric Light Orchestra. Is it famous, people who know ANYTHING about music (which is to say, not me)?
Because throw Bray into the group, and Ma-Ma-Ma-Bill has a nice ring to it.
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
yes!
awesome ELO song. very well done TFM!
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by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Two Men And A Fuck?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jan 11, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
replace Masset with Arredondo,
you have Do Ma Ma
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 11, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I wish we had a FanShot to discuss Ryan Madson..........
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2012 11:19 PM EST reply actions
they do when they're promoted!!!
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Fucking put one up
I would be I’m realllllly apprehensive to do it until someone other than Heyman tweets this news
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
he already did
(that’s the joke)
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by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
It's not on the front page
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
I really wanna know what the terms are.
Walt better not have paid top dollar for a closer.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
Wait, is the only source still Heyman?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
Yeah, I'm with you.
I’m actually hoping it’s not true.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
The worst would be if the contract is similar to something that would have landed Oswalt or another mid-rotation
starter.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
On the other hand, the bullpen is now incredible.
Barring unforeseen meltdowns, the game is now 7 innings long for most offenses vs. the Reds. Maybe even 6, if you think Bray/Arredondo are still good.
I worry about the whole “we have 4 guys who are really good lefties or at getting lefties out” thing.
We have to stop hoping that every Reds deal isn't true.
That’s the epitome of the defeatism we sometimes exhibit. Signing Ryan Madson isn’t a bad thing.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
It it's a multi year deal with a high AAV, then that's a bad thing
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Of course we won't know until we know.
But given that they offered Coco one year at a much lower price than they initially offered, it seems safe to assume they were playing in a collapsed market.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I'm hoping.
The Reds probably only had 8 to spend, so that’s as much as it could be, right? Shocked Madson was forced into a 1-yr deal.
An unforced error.
He had a 4/40 offer from the Phillies that he rejected, no? He and Coco both got burned by a bit of greediness.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
1 year, says Heyman.
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
hearing, madson deal is for 1 year. good deal for #reds. and gives madson chance to rack up saves for very good team.
by jsl413 on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Are you serious?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, because that would be Matt Moore/Evan Longoria team-friendly
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
A little concerned that, with the RP strategy, this is really a one-year window.
This is an 88-90 win team if they’re healthy, and they’ll need to catch some luck to do well in the playoffs if they make it there. Really seems like the plan is to trade Votto after next season.
No, I agree with you.
Even with Madson, I’m not convinced we’re a better team than St. Louis.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
If Beltran and Berkman spend significant time on the DL (a very real possibilty)
Then I think we are better
Fuck Murray Chass
If Madson or Marshall or Cueto or Latos go down...
if Devin sucks… if bla bla bla
can’t play if’s (though those are as likely as a pitcher getting hurt).
I dunno. It’ll be close. I think it’s a tossup.
If both, then maybe
But if only one is injured they’ll just move Craig around and let sub fill the spot for awhile
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, I'm not as high on Craig as others
Dude rocked a .344 BABIP last year. That’s gonna come down a little.
Fuck Murray Chass
You're right, but he ISO'd .240 and had a healthy LD%
Of course, he only had 219 PAs so that’s not much to work with
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
They lost their best player, manager, and pitching coach
that has to account for something, right?
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
Yeah, but they get Wainwright back
Craig will now be able to play full time, they signed Beltran. They’re going to be good again.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's oversimplifying things a bit.
The Cardinals, after revamping their bullpen and picking up Jackson and Furcal, were a very good team. It wasn’t like they simply caught fire. They retooled a team as much as possible at the deadline and ended up with a much improved team.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
They were lucky in the sense that all of their moves worked out, but the team was
a considerably better team. It helped that the Braves collapsed, too.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
In the first half they scored 433 and gave up 407
In the second half they scored 329 and gave up 285.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well sure, but any time you are looking at a half season you are going to run into this problem.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like how everyone assumes Wainwright is going to come back and be awesome.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going with this.
And while I’m at it I’m going with Cueto and Latos on the NL All Star staff.
Cueto starting it.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ehhh
I don’t think Beltran will be that productive. He’s been through a bunch of injuries and just has a hard time staying on the field. Wainwright is coming back from TJS and it’ll be a struggle for a bit.
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When he broke his leg or something like that, right?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That's not a terrible idea.
Go all in one year, trade some prospects. If it works, it works. If it doesn’t then trade Votto and start the rebuild.
The next window is 2-3 years away.
So trading Votto kind of makes sense. So does giving BP a 1-year deal, given these signings. Really like the ’pen, but team feels shallow.
The starting pitching just isn't there
plus they’re going to need some career years from guys on offense. Joey Votto can’t skip a beat, Jay has to play like 2010 Jay, BP has to be All-Star quality another year, Rolen needs to be productive, Stubbs has to play better, left field needs to get it together, Cozart can’t stumble, etc.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, 4 behind according to B-R
I’m not worried about the luck so much as what you said. This is an 89 win team in a division with a team that’s probably a few wins better.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Aw, shucks.
A “very good team”? That’s awfully nice of him to say.
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
While shooting gators
and stubbing his toe?
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 11, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Madson was only worth 1.7 fWAR last year.
FIP of 2.25 is nice though. Hopefully we can get 70+ innings out of him and make that 2.3ish fWAR. It’s a 1-year deal after all.
CoCo, in contrast, was worth only 2.0 fWAR over the last THREE years.
We just added a win and a half, you guys!
AND Marshall was a 2.8 fWAR pitcher last year.
5 combined over the last 2. Lots of WAR at the back of the ’pen.
For those of you that don't follow Slyde...
jluckhaupt Joel Luckhaupt
Madson & Marshall are better than anybody the #Reds had in the bullpen in ’11. Latos is probably best young pitcher Reds have had since Rijo
None of that is saying all that much
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
How isn't it?
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Reds have never been good at developing pitchers, especially not in the last 25-30 years.
The 2011 bullpen sucked.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, never mind I misread you.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I do!
That was great, the only thing it needs is tHom not being petulantly passive agressive towards Jay
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 11, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Not to deter your enthusiasm, but...
johnfayman John Fay
Haven’t been able to confirm Madson. Heyman says it’s 1-year deal. Would be a great move for #Reds.
tell fay to turn on sportscenter
they’re reporting it on there
by 'tHan on Jan 10, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Are they reporting it independently, or reporting that Heyman reported?
#donthavecable
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
It's not on ESPN.com yet, weird
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
plus one this
The Reds are a left fielder away from being really good.
— David Cameron (@d_a_cameron) January 11, 2012
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He's right, for the record
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
totally
the unfortunate thing is there isn’t anyone left in FA
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by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
A trade could still be made, but not sure for who.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
the cupboard is a bit bare right now
unless they can move a reliever + Frazier.
this may seem blasphemous but right now might be the best time to trade Billy Quicks.
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by -ManBearPig on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take him
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
why not?
I’m assuming he won’t get more than a couple million. He hits RHP well. Gets on base. Plays solid defense. What’s the downside?
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Same as Gomes
Gomes got on base too, if you only counted April and May. Also, I was of the impression that his defense is very blah.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I think his defense is average or slightly below compared to other RF
He might be average to slightly above in LF, I’d guess. He’s not going to be a world beater in LF, but I don’t get the impression that he’s a butcher, which is really all you ask out of LF, right?
And Gomes never got on base like Fukudome. I understand the concerns about his April numbers being so awesome in comparison to the rest of his year, but his career 1st half (.266/.371/.404) and 2nd half (.253/.348/.392) splits aren’t too out of whack. Even if he only manages to have a .348 OBP for the entire season, it still would’ve been the 4th best on the Reds for any player with more than 100 PA in 2011. Just because he’s not a .380 OBP guy all the time doesn’t mean he can’t be useful, especially if Dusty limits his ABs vs LHP (career: .251/.328/.364).
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Fair enough
If he signs, I’ll certainly be hoping for the best.
But with Fukudome, there’s also a pure sports fan side of me that says – he’s just really unfun to watch play. It’s hard to explain.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I get it
I’m not gaga over him, but I do think he’s the best fit. I am a little concerned that his style of play won’t work well in GABP, which suppresses everything but HR and doesn’t help slap hitters much, but if he can continue to get on base, I think he’ll be the most benefit to the team. Of course, that’s not saying much given the other candidates.
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Him too, seriously
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
He's got the splits for Hi-Z
And the power. And the Ra-ra guy factor. Why not? 1M lol Done.
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by Yossarian22 on Jan 11, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I'd take Dunn at $5MM a year.
But anything more would be too risky, in case he’s lost it.
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 11, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Jeez, that'd be awesome though
assuming Chicago eats a big chunk of the contract, that is
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
You think they'd pay 36 million of it?
That’d be great!
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
Unless he continues to suck.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 11, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Don't you know...
Dunn hates baseball and is lazy! He was one of the worst players of all time last year!
In all seriousness, I think the Reds clubhouse has been a much better, more cohesive place since Dunn and Griffey left. (Granted, winning helps)
I really never saw signs of a bad clubhouse with Dunn and Griffey.
"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 11, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
That's the word on the street...
Don’t know if there’s any truth to it…
Don’t know if Dunn would be different in 2012…
Don’t know if the current clubhouse would have a thought on Dunn either way
My impression (FWIW)..
is that was/is kind of a “Hey, man, whatever. That’s cool” kinda guy.
So if he and his fat wallet were brought in to schlub around in left field and mash a few taters for Dusty Baker and then go to the other end of the bench when Scott Rolen is advising Joey Votto, then I think Dunn would go along and get along and let the clubhouse be whatever it’s gonna be.
But here’s a fun ‘thought experiment’ for Reds fans: Imagine the media/fan backlash if Walt were to bring in Adam Dunn right now after everything Walt’s done to ‘win now’ and after the season that Dunn just had…
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 11, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
ha!
that’s a fun thought experiment!
“win now”, and then bring in such a lightning rod to shit all over that theory
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I would love to see Dunn back in LF
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 14, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
He can't get out of the house.
Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into Swansons. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And he runs poorly with that peachy ankle bracelet.
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 11, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Dave used to be a big Heisey believer
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I know I can be a little mercurial, but how can you not get pumped for this?!?
After 2000-2009! After last year where Walt & Bob failed to do anything and the Reds took a step back! The front office has really done a good job of strengthening this team for 2012. I don’t understand how anyone would think that the Reds are not now fully in the driver’s seat for 2012 in NL Central. No Pujols, No LaRussa, No Fielder
At this point, I don’t care about after the Votto window. Win big or die trying!
What leftfielders are left, period?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I thought
I was on the Andruw Jones bandwagon
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Where'd they find this money?
BNightengale Bob Nightengale
Madson guaranteed only one year by #Reds in excess of $10 mill #mlb
you think?
i’m unsure. But they might be settled on a rotation including Leake, Bailey/Chapman, Latos, Cueto, Arroyo, leaving no holes.
You forgot your damned sarcasm font.
I meant to go to bed 2 hours ago.
Still, Walt could have felt that the rotation is full and that LF is “fine,” and that Madson is a greater improvement over CoCo than would be a LF or SP over the incumbent.
Yeah, I was getting ready for bed when the Madson rumors started hitting RR an hour ago
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
hey did you know i'm in miami this week?
moreirrelevantfacts
thank god i get to come home tomorrow.
enjoy cincinnati!
Alright, this news will be here for me to catch up on tomorrow night
Good night everybody, and go Reds!
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 11, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
If they had $10M+, it should have gone to Beltran, Oswalt, or someone of that caliber
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
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"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Beltran 2 for $26 is a ton higher
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 11, 2012 12:59 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Whoa.
That’s too much money.
How about you agree to waive the fine and I promise not to email you the remaining eighty six photos of my dog dressed as a bear.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 10, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I asked Fay where the money came from:
johnfayman John Fay
RT @jsl413 @BNightengale where did they find this money?//probably offer Cordero $7 or $8 million.
10+ milliion? the reds are paying him one dollar for every point providence beat louisville by tonight
by 'tHan on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I always forget you're a Cats fan
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know she was a Cats fan!
now I like andro even more!!
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Cats fan courtesy rec
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'll give a rec for you bad UK math
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 11, 2012 1:01 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm really glad I didn't watch that game
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Heyman, who I have been a dick to all night, gives Reds some love:
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
cant say anyone besides #LAAngels & #marlins has improved as much as the #reds have. lots of talent there.
Ack, Heyman-praise
is not a good thing
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 10, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Fay sort of confirms...
johnfayman John Fay
Madson means #Reds won’t sign Cordero, Wood. Maybe a low-level outfielder — Ludwick, Ankiel, Fukudome.
no typos!
Samesies
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Jan 11, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
On the other hand, Ludwick von Beethoven and Wolfgang Amadeus Cozart would make a pretty good classical music team.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
by andromache on Jan 11, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Would you Fuk(udo)me?
I’d Fuk(udo)me.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Jan 11, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
he is like 14.

"You know when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink Orange Drink".-Bill Hicks
by Yossarian22 on Jan 11, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
K Law bringing the lolz
keithlaw keithlaw
Boy, I bet the Phils are glad they got an early jump on that closer market
I suggested that YEARS ago!
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 11, 2012 1:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Dave's right.
He did suggest this back when Damon was good.
Not everybody is a Kenyan, fool. - jch
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 11, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions

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