Red Reposter - The Future of the pitching staff
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 8, 2011 11:59 AM EDT
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I am really, really fond of Bryan Price
He seems to be pushing really hard to get Aroldis Chapman a shot at the starting rotation next year. "With all the question marks on who's going to be with us going into next season, it's hard to say for sure," Reds pitching coach Bryan Price said on Wednesday. "I would be very confident in saying that he will absolutely get a chance to start, maybe as early as next season."
To me, this is probably the most interesting decision the Reds will make this winter. And most interesting to me is that I don't think they can make a necessarily wrong decision regarding El Cubandolero. The back end of the bullpen is looking to be full of question marks for next season, with Nick Masset looking very hittable, Logan Ondrusek issuing too many walks and not enough strike outs, Jose Arredondo walking too many, and Francisco Cordero perhaps leaving via free agency (if they don't pick up his option and don't re-sign him). The Reds may see Chapman is the best possible option for the closer spot.
I've argued all along that Chapman should get a shot at the rotation. Starting pitchers are much more valuable than relief pitchers. I'm okay with him ending up in the 'pen long-term, but I feel like it would be a mistake if he didn't get a chance to succeed or fail as a starter first. So when do you begin that experiment? It looks like the Reds will have a need at both positions next season, with a shaky rotation stocked with back-end starters and a shaky bullpen stocked with non-closers. So what to do? Honestly, I have no idea. I suppose this decision, more than any other, depends on other decisions. Can they get Coco back at a reasonable rate? Can they trade for a top-end starter? Hopefully both, but even then the Chapman decision is a tough one. -
Dusty and the pitching staff are taking quite a shine to their new catcher
Top prospect Devin Mesoraco (which is the Latinate pronunciation of his given name, Devyn Menschenrochim, which literally translates as Devil Man of Rock) is doing and saying all the right things so far. "He pays attention. He's conscientious. He's getting better throwing. When I first saw him, he had a sore arm. He's throwing the ball well, receiving well," Baker said. "Each pitch can mean something. I'd probably give him a 95, 96 on a scale of 100."
Also of note, Mike Leake is going to make one more start before calling it a season. He's thrown 167 innings so far after throwing 138 1/3 last year. He should be fine. Edinson Volquez will seamlessly take his place, as this next go-around for the rotation will feature six pitchers. -
Unfortunately, the slider didn't slide
That's the word from Dusty after last night's loss to the Cubs. Billy Bray was brought on to face Carlos Pena with two on in the 8th. Aramis Ramirez was intentionally walked to set up the match up. Bray kills lefties and Pena can't hit lefties, so the entire universe expected Bray to get Pena to pop out or strike out or something like that. But his slider (which is a pretty good one most of the time) didn't slide and Pena hammered it. Phooey. -
BlogRedMachine speculates on the future of Dontrelle Willis in Red
This could also have an effect on the Aroldis Chapman sitch, as Dontrelle could grab a slot in the rotation with a strong rest of the season/spring training, or perhaps even take Chapman's place as the shut-down lefty in the 'pen. It's tough to speculate right now on what kind of contract Dontrelle could command this off-season, but I all on board for giving it a go. If you were the Reds, what kind of offer would you make, and if you were Dontrelle, what kind of offer would you accept?
Speaking of looking for front-line starters
the Braves are showing off an embarrassment of riches on that front. For next season, they have Tommy Hanson, Jair Jurrjens, Tim Hudson, Kris Medlan, Derek Lowe, Brandon Beachy, Mike Minor, Randall Delgado, Arodys Vizcaino, and Julio Teheran. That is 10 pitchers who all have a good argument for being in the starting rotation next year. Now, Medlan hasn't pitched this season due to Tommy John and Teheran, Vizcaino, and Delgado all spent much of this season in the minors and could probably use some more seasoning, but still, that's ridiculous.
Of course, the Braves could very reasonably keep every one of these guys, as the Reds showed this year that depth doesn't always mean quality. It seems they have been shopping Derek Lowe for years, but he's a Bronson Arroyo clone. Pass. I've always liked Tim Hudson, and he's only due $18 mil over the next two years (if his '13 club option is picked up), which is precisely why the Braves will want to keep him. He's reasonably priced and awesome, and that rarely gets traded. The Braves have need at SS and LF, which are certainly no areas of strength for the Reds. Plus, every other team in the universe is going to be calling them looking to score some of their surplus pitching. I doubt any kind of deal gets done, but it never hurts to ask.
September 17th, next Saturday, is Johnny Bench Night
The Hall of Fame and Museum will be unveiling a statue of Bench, which was sculpted by the same fella who done did all the other statues on Crosley Terrace. The Bench statue will stand outside the entrance to the Museum, most likely raising his sword to the heavens and mounted on a handsome steed rearing back to signify his triumphs in battle. Or probably in shin guards with a bat slung over his shoulder. I guess you'll have to check out the unveiling to figure out which.
I really, really hate being that guy
but we really, really should have traded Ramon Hernandez when we had the chance. Since July 15th, Monie is slashing around the Janish line at .216/.269/.278. The trade deadline was obviously the height of his value. And with such a rough second half, the Reds may now be too averse to offering him arbitration at the end of the season which means they would get nothing. I don't know what kind of deals were out there for Monie on July 31st, but it's looking more and more like they will be the best-ever deals the Reds could have gotten for him. This is like David Weathers all over again.
The fine folks at Stadium Journey have been rating ballparks all across the country this year
and the last Reds-related park they visited was Sam Lynn Ballpark out in Bakersfield, California, the home of the Blaze. As you may have heard, it's a real piece of shit. I've never been that far west myself, but before I see a minor league game in that place I'd much rather check out the Kern County Museum. I hear they let you cuss if there ain't womenfolk around, and you're still allowed to smoke inside because Merle Haggard don't give a shit.
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I just have one question
Did BlogRedMachine speculate on the future of Dontrelle Willis in Red?
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I'm not sure it's going to work for Dontrelle to come back
Only because, if I’m the Reds I’m not guaranteeing him a rotation spot, and if I’m Dontrelle I’m asking for more assurances, regardless of money.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Offer an incentive-laden contract
of $1 million per game Dontrelle wins. He’ll pitch for free all season.
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by Thundering Turtle on Sep 8, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But what leverage does Dontrelle have?
His career was looking like it was over before the Reds gave him a chance this offseason. His walk rate and ERA are rather pedestrian at this point. He’s currently winless on the season in 11 starts. Yes, I know that wins are arbitrary and he could very well be 11-0, but I feel like that has to have some kind of play at the bargaining table.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
I will say that I am all for keeping him around,
and I think he could have a bounce back year next year. I just don’t think it will cost that much. He also seems to really enjoy being here, which could also help in keeping his cost down.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
I just think if he makes 4 or 5 more starts and keeps his ERA around 4.00
someone will sign him and virtually guarantee him a spot in their rotation.
Like I said, it’s not so much the money as the guaranteed rotation spot, which I absolutely don’t think the Reds should offer.
And I know, no one really guarantees a rotation spot, but I think other teams will offer him more assurances than the Reds can or should.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I get what you are saying.
However, I believe it will depend on what happens in the offseason. If the Reds trade away some of their “pitching depth” for a top of the rotation starter, then I could see the Reds more-or-less guaranteeing Dontrelle a spot in the rotation.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
I don't see a problem guaranteeing a rotation spot
And then putting him in the bullpen if he craps out by late April.
by ken on Sep 8, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guarantee him a chance to win a rotation spot
isn’t that all that any back-of-rotation pitcher gets anywhere?
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I would think a 1 year deal with a 1 year team option
where the guaranteed year is worth like $4M and the option year is worth $8M and the option vests if D-Train reaches 200 innings, or 162 innings with an ERA under 4.75 or something like that would be fair for both sides.
Also give him incentives for 2012 that could increase his pay significantly based on performance.
It will get better.
Yeah, that and the option
I don’t see him getting that much money on the market.
by ken on Sep 8, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think $4M isn't that unresonable, maybe $2M-$3M is more resonable.
The option is for Willis if he pitches well, it means he will get a pay raise if he meets the requirements for it to vest. Lets face it if he throws 170-200 innings with an ERA under 4.75 next year he will get at least $8M from somebody.
It will get better.
I'd love to know
why the Reds didn’t trade CMM before the deadline. Was Walt still hoping the Reds could contend? Were the rumors of interest greatly exaggerated? Was he thinking of trading Mesoraco and keeping Hernandez?
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I think the answer is probably much less exciting than that.
I think Dusty probably lobbied to keep Ramon, and I think they wanted to ease Devin in with 2 experienced guys still on the team, rather than throw him to the wolves like what would’ve likely happened had they traded Ramon.
It really seems like they were just being conservative and cautious. Booooooring.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Or maybe the offers just weren't that good.
This is like the age old question… how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie-pop?
We may never know.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
I wonder if the offers were more than nothing
which is what the Reds are staring down.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
The Giants' GM made it sound like he definitely made an offer for Ramon
We’re not sure what it was, but they certainly made a lot of sense as a trade partner.
by ken on Sep 8, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a big Nyjer Morgan fan
but it looks like Carpenter and Pujols were the instigator and the escalators of that kerfuffle last night.
Carpenter did something at Morgan after striking him out, to which Morgan responded with the opposite of pleasantries and flipped his chaw out onto the grass. (only about 8 feet according to someone elsewhere)
He then headed up the third base line and then toward the dugout while looking back at Carpenter. Then Pujols comes jogging and yells something (can hear it, but can’t make it out at MLB.com “Morgan’s ejection”) which is when Morgan yells the Fun Yoo chinese take out order. Fielder and others were already running out by then, in response, I guess, to seeing Pujols running toward Morgan. No idea what, if anything, Carpenter was doing in the interim. I would guess nothing, since Morgan didn’t react to anything.
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I detest Morgan
And it seems like Pujols did most of the instigating. It looked to me like Morgan was jawing at Carpenter, and Carpenter was ignoring it and had his back to him. It reminded me a lot of the Reds/Cardinals brawl last year. Phillips/Morgan said some things they maybe shouldn’t have. Molina/Pujols dramatically overreacted and turned it physical.
Carpenter always seems to be in the middle of these things
Is that just my perception?
I tried to search for a list of the bench clearing incidents this year, to find out how many Carp was in. My google skillz failed. Who’s up for the challenge?
I think he’s like my little brother used to be: he could always toss a verbal grenade and be gone before Mom came. Then I got busted for the ensuing mayhem.
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Yeah, I have to believe Carpenter started it all by saying something
He had just struck out Morgan on a ten-pitch at bat. Once he realized Pujols was with him he knew he didn’t have to say any more.
by ken on Sep 8, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
"jawing"? He said F U once and was walking
and staring. That was it. Watch the MLB.com replay that is uncut, not the ESPN one that goes from the swing to showing morgan throwing (more of an “accelerated drop”) his chaw onto the in-play grass and then accusing him of throwing it AT carpenter as if nothing happened in between. He strikes out and stares at carpenter and, seemingly in response, says the FU.
Nothing else until you hear Pujols yell something as he is running at Morgan (you can see Brewer players scrambling already by then, before Morgan says anything) and then Morgan says F U to Pujols.
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hell, even the SBNation "Recent Stories" right next to my post is going with the ESPN style
Someone elsewhere (Brewers page?) said that Harold Reynolds was defending Morgan during the live play while the other announcers were blaming Morgan. Was saying that Carpenter is an instigator and always seems to be involved in the middle of this shit).
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i hate to say this, but i don't think carpenter was at fault
sure, he’s a giant douche, but he was just standing there. morgan’s the one that was pissed, and he only had himself to be pissed at, he’s the one that swung at the pitch he shouldn’t. not to mention that morgan seemed overly please with himself for getting a double earlier in the game.
frankly, when it comes down to it, i’m going to side with the giant douche when he’s up against a guy with aggressive multiple personalities. just sayin.
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Giant Douche said something to Giant Crazy Guys. Giant Crazy Guys said something back once. That was about to be the end of it as Giant Crazy Guys was walking off the field.
Then Giant Miracle Healer said something from off in the distance and was running toward Giant Crazy Guys as Giant First Place teammates came running from the dugout before Giant Crazy Guys even realized something was being said.
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it was the throwing of the used wad of tobacco
that prompted Pujols & co. to rush in.
And the comments Beanie Baby posted on Twitter afterward were pathetic. It’s one thing in the heat of the moment during the game, but afterwards, there’s no excuse. If I were the Brewers, I’d tell Morgan he can’t tweet any more.
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pujols just looks funny when he doesn't run at full speed
looks like he’s shuffling or something. just odd.
Arredondo is going to bounce back
nicely. Pitchers almost always experience control problems their first season back from TJS. This is a guy to keep.
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by Thundering Turtle on Sep 8, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree.
His stuff is good and he won’t be making any money, so I have no reason to think he won’t be in next year’s pen.
Yeah
I’m sure he’ll be here next year, but I’m not sure what exactly we can expect from him.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 8, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the real question is can he bounce back to what he was in 2008
his fastball has lost 2 MPH since he was healthy before TJS.
If he can regain that stuff he may be an elite reliever again.
Even if he doesn’t the Reds should keep him because he is a decent middle reliever.
It will get better.
The test has two answers
A. Give Chapman a chance to start.
B. Make him the closer.
Unless the Reds have information we don’t, A is the right answer and B is the wrong answer.
It will get better.
Option A possible outcomes:
1) Chapman takes to starting immediately and with success
2) Chapman spends a year (or so ) in Louisville before being successful
3) Chapman spends a year (or so) in Louisville before being mediocre for a few years before being successful
4) Chapman is unsuccessful
My money is on #3 and hoping the team is still in a competitive window by the time he amounts to much.
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#3 would get my money too
Chapman has electric stuff, a ridiculous fastball and OUTRAGEOUS slider…when it’s over the plate consistently, its great.
We talk about Volquez how maybe he’d be more useful in the pen, or as marmol closer type. And he gets the ball over the plate better than Aroldis.
I just dont understand why everyone says he HAS to be a starter now. Sure it should be looked at, and I’m not sure how to go about that, but to me, he’s most valuable where he’s most effective, and that’s in the pen in whatever capacity until he throws strikes.
To me, for as much money as the Reds invested in him, it is stupid to not let him develop as a starter
does it cost the Reds that much more money if he spends a large portion of next year in AAA? He won’t build his MLB service time working on starting in Louisville, so it will delay his free agency, and he is pretty young so it isn’t like they would be burning the prime years of his career in the minors.
I don’t understand why he has to be on the major league roster now? Wouldn’t you be willing to let him spend a year in AAA if he can be a decent starter in 2013 and a dominant ace in 2014 (those years may not be exact but you get the point)?
It will get better.
Absolutely. And thats why I went with #3.
If we’re making him a starter (which financially its hard to argue not to) he gets the same treatment Volquez got this year. If you want to be on the big league roster, throw strikes.
Is that really how it works?
I asked about it earlier and was told that we have him for 6 years whether he is in the majors or minors.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
He can not file for free agency until he has 6 years of MLB service time
which he cannot collect in the minors even if he has a guaranteed Major League contract.
Alonso was signed to a big league deal out of University of Miami, but he didn’t accumulate any service time until he was called up late in 2010.
It will get better.
But he was not drafted at all
he was signed as a free agent. He is a FA at the end of 2014 (with 2015 option) whether he plays in the Majors or not.
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yeah
if I was wrong, that would mean that Volquez, Cueto, etc would be under those same rules.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Sep 10, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is this "We", PDuck?
http://www.redreporter.com/2011/9/8/2412529/red-reposter-the-future-of-the-pitching-staff#storyjump
What a difference six months makes. In March, we crowed about the Reds starting pitching depth. From the ashes of that prediction, we have Cueto and Leake. We didnt worry a lot about J. Gomes, even as his numbers suggested we should. We penciled in Rolen for 140 games. We figured the learning curve would be less steep for Chapman. Hey, Volquez finished strong last year, right?
Did anyone assume Rolen for 140? A lot of “we” worried about J. Gomes. I agree with you about the pitching staff, that has been a huge disarroyquezment.
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by bbjones on Sep 8, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
a rather sobering article
The Reds have far more work to do this offseason than last, and it’s not just because they’re going to lose at least 10 more times than they did last year. And The Morning Man’s ear to the GASP ground hears that the payroll will not move much from the current $80 million. The attendance bump from winning the division has not been what The Club expected. That is, of course, The Club’s doing.
Going to be hard to fill the holes with no increase in payroll (and lot of deferred money to pay out).
Heading into this year, we figured the Reds needed a LF and a decent backup at 3B. Heading into next year, they need a closer, a potential starting 3B, a LF, maybe a SS (unless you’re satisfied with 11 games of Z. Cozart) and at least one middle of the rotation starter. Alonso should get a chance in LF. Francisco and/or Frazier can be the part-time 3B. If you want to keep waiting for Homer, have at it. I’d prefer a deal to bring in someone who has proven to be more than a .500 pitcher.
Problem is, Francisco and Frazier are extra guys. Cozart, we don’t know. Bailey is starting to own a track record, and it looks like a beautifully wrapped package, unopened. Easy-E, we have absolutely no idea. Which is a helluva statement to make about your erstwhile Opening Day starter.
He ends by noting that the window is closing, so this wasted year hurts a lot.
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This just seems a little overstated...
Alonso at LF, Frazier at 3B, and Cozart at SS seems like a potentially much better situation than where we started this year: Lewis/Gomes at LF, Rolen at 3B, and Janish/Cozart at SS. Most didn’t expect Rolen to drop off quite so much but I don’t know if anyone had high hopes for LF and SS. I’d say there are some high hopes about LF and SS going into next year. Maybe I am just being Pollyannish.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 8, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right but
none of those positions are guaranteed. Cozart is a question mark, Alonso’s defense is a question mark, and if Rolen has another year like this Frazier and END are not known quantities.
The rotation has questions marks other than Cueto; Leake was very good this year, and took a step up from last year, can he keep up this level of performance? I hope so and think he can but I like to see pitchers have 2 solid years before I really trust them. The Bailey/Chapman/Wood/Volquez/Arroyo/Willis(if he is brought back) portion of the rotation is filled with question marks.
The bullpen is filled with question marks; if Coco leaves who do they replace him with, if he stays will the bottom drop out next year? If Chapman is moved out of the bullpen and Coco leaves that is 2 arms the Reds have to replace. Is Masset cooked (a very real concern giving his level of usage over the past three years and the decline in his performance)? What will Ondrusek do? He was very good until August, and he seemed to collapse from over work. What will Bray do? See Ondrusek. Can Arredondo step up to be an 8th inning guy if Masset and Ondrusek can’t handle it and Chapman is either the closer or in the rotation. Who is the real Sam LeCure? I like Sam I think he has a future as a reliever, but like I said about Leake, I really like to see a pitcher have two good years in a row before I remove my concerns.
You hope that to hedge their bets the Reds solve some of these problems with trades and free agent signings, because it will require a lot of luck for these situations to work themselves out on their own.
It will get better.
and i realize nothing is guarenteed, players have been known to fall off a cliff without reason or injuries could happen
but we are reasonably certain as to what we will get from Votto, Phillips, Bruce, Stubbs, and Cueto, and it is a good bet the Reds will get positive production from the catchers position.
It will get better.
but...
…I think that’s the mistake they made last year. They were too optimistic. They thought Bruce would improve, and Stubbs would, too (or at least that he wouldn’t regress). That they had more pitching than they knew what to do with. That Janish would be replacement level at least, and if he wasn’t, Renteria would step up. There are just as many pitfalls this year, if not more.
I love Alonso’s bat, but I’m not sure it will make up for his defense in LF. His misplay at the wall cost us the game in Chicago. His bat was good, but didn’t make up for the three runs he gave up by missing that catch.
Third base has actually been a bright spot. Rolen hasn’t played as much as we hoped, but Cairo has played very well in his stead, on offense and defense. Maybe he was just lucky, but he played well enough that it’s likely Frazier and/or END would be a downgrade next year. We can hope Rolen will be healthier next year after his surgery, but it’s far from guaranteed. Maybe Alonso at 3B is the way to go, but it’s far from certain now.
Cozart looked very good in his 11 games…but it’s only 11 games. Janish looked great in his first 11 games, too. I think Walt will want more depth at SS…just in case.
And that doesn’t even touch the biggest problem…the pitching.
I dunno. Much as I love a home-grown team, I’m starting to think that Walt has to make some big moves if he wants to keep up.
I also wonder if maybe the Reds were as overly optimistic with the bean-counting as they were when counting on their young players. All that deferred money…were they expecting to have more revenue from tickets sales to pay it, money that hasn’t materialized?
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This makes me sad.
Time to start praying for divine intervention, I can’t stand 15 more years in the hole before we make the playoffs again.
I do give Alonso a little more credit though. The ivy play was unfortunate but was only one mistake that the Reds made that day, and Drew Stubbs’s baserunning error was at least as problematic. I think he’ll be adequate. But I might just be irrationally optimistic, I did think Stubbs would improve this year…
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 9, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Consider yourself Lebowskied
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
Damn, Iphone app strikes again.
Supposed to go with ManBearBig’s comment
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
"WE" got arrested with Adam Dunn
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Now I see what the arrest was for...
Some things go in the “it happens” file…some go in the “wtf file” along with the two headed snake and the book of mormon.
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/0907011-Corpse-Found-in-Tub-with-TV-Weatherman#ixzz1XNFITBm0
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Ok
just read the article on Yonder on the Reds website. No way we ever get rid of this kid.
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
Oh Jeez
In that case, it comes down to whoever wants Stubbs. Sappelt plays CF better than LF.
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
And Stubbs plays CF much better than Sappelt
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Sep 8, 2011 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sappelt makes contact more often than Stubbs
Everything else on the field of play: Advantage – Stubbs
I'd rather hitting than fielding
hence why I imagine Yonder in left. And END at 3rd
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
Hell, it's between him and Chapman
if Chapman can’t handle starting, Cingrani will take his spot ;)
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
I think he has odd views of anyone notable with under a full year of service time
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Dustwadfuckpants wants J. Fiasco at 3b
Fiasco went 4 for 5 in a meaningless end of the season game ergo he will get mucho opportunity in ST.
All yonder has done has been a hitting machine ever since he came up.
Scott Rolen needs to retire.
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