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The Most Important Winter of All Time

What's the most important play in a soccer game, asked the wise old coach.  The young arms shot up.  The save?  No.  The goal?  No.  The corner kick?  Again, no.

What's the most important play in a soccer game, asked the wise old coach.  One arm slowly rose.  The next play?  Very good, son.

The interested observer witnessed it all.  Nonsense, he thought.

Normally, this would be the space in which we examine the past 18 games, but that has been pulled for something approaching ACTUAL ANALYSIS.  Semi-approaching pseudo-analysis, I'd call it.  If you simply must know, the Reds went 8 - 10 over the last 18, and did not make the playoffs.  Brandon Phillips hit well, Drew Stubbs didn't, and Bronson Arroyo left the pitching skillz on the boat. 

For the 22 teams which have seen their season end, the road towards next year is well underfoot.  The thesis of this piece is that this coming winter is the most important in modern Reds history, which for now we'll define as being the last 30 years or so.  It's a non-provable theory, but a little sensationalism never hurt anyone.  At the very least, I'd claim it to be the most important since the Griffey Junior era began.

The key to the study is that the Reds compete with other teams in a division and should be judged relative to the expected quality of those teams.  Donations for this kind of insight should be sent via PayPal.  The full shakedown on methodology, projections, expectations, and conclusions...after the jump.

Star-divide

Methodology summary

Project, for each team, prior to any potential acquisitions, the payroll budget, the 25-man roster, and the expected quality level.  Also project the expected budget available to spend on off-season acquisitions.  Translate the combined on-roster quality and purchasable wins to project a high-level projection on team wins.

Assumptions

  • Each team's 2012 payroll budget set equal to a 2.5% increase over the greater of 2011 payroll or the 3-year weighted payroll (50% x 2011 + 33% x 2010 + 17% x 2009).
  • Players who were on the roster as of year end are assumed to be available for 2012, except for those players who are entering free agency.
  • Non-free agents are given a projected 2012 WAR, set equal to each player's 2011 WAR, except: if the player's 2011 seasonal age is less than 27, up to 0.5 WAR is added to the 2011 total, with the magnitude of the add on being proportional to how full of a season the player played.  A similar downward adjustment is made to players with a 2011 seasonal age greater than 28.
  • Team options are projected to be accepted if the projected WAR is greater than prospective salary divided by 5.4.
  • Any plate appearances or innings pitched consumed by players who were: A) no longer on the team roster by year end; B) are entering free agency; or C) are projected to have a contract option year declined are re-allocated to remaining players.
  • Players receiving playing time allocations receive a new WAR projection equal to the original 2012 projection plus the increased playing time multiplied by an average of the player's 2011 WAR rate (i.e. WAR per PA or WAR per IP) and the league average WAR rate.
  • If the 2012 salary for a given player is not contractually set already, the 2012 salary was set equal to 110% of the 2011 salary if the player is not yet arbitration eligible.  A default salary of $455K was used for players with salary info missing on Cot's.  Players entering an arbitration year were projected to receive a salary equal to the greater of: A) $1M; B) 110% of the 2011 salary; C) the projected 2012 WAR times $5.4M times (40% for 4th year players, 60% for 5th year players, 80% for 6th year players).
  • At the team level, all 2012 WAR projections were summed up for available players, and assumed to be baseline quality level for the team.
  • A 25 man roster was projected, and only those projected salaries were counted against the projected payroll budget.
  • The difference between the payroll budget and the 25-man salary projections are assumed to be spent on players, at a rate somewhere less than one win per $5.4M spent.  Usually around 80%-90% of a win, to try and account for the idea that a free agent often won't be replacing a true replacement player.  It's probably a bit granular for this kind of high-level thing, but whatever: it's in there.
  • Per Baseball Reference, replacement level was set at a .320 winning percentage.  However, WAR wins seemed to outpace actual and Pythagorean wins for most teams by, like, quite a few, so consider WAR to be optimistic in all circumstances.  Perhaps take this all as a rosy projection across the board.

If you're still with me, let's get into the team-by-team breakdown.

Houston Astros

2011 Wins: 56

2011 Pythagorean Wins: 62

2011 Team WAR: 15.1

2011 WAR estimated Wins: 67

Contract status

Players

Cumulative PA

Cumulative IP

Cumulative WAR

Mid-year exits

Michael Bourn,

Bill Hall,

Jeff Keppinger,

Hunter Pence

1,233

0

7.3

Pending free agents

Clint Barmes,

Jason Michaels

664

0

1.9

Team-held contract options

None

0

0

0

Entering arbitration year

Nelson Figueroa,

Jeff Fulchino,

J.A. Happ,

Joe Inglett,

Humberto Quintero,

Wesley Wright

363

230.3

-2.8

Player names in bold are projected to be retained for 2012.

 

2011 Payroll: $76.97M

Weighted 3-yr Payroll: $86.52M

Projected 2012 Payroll: $88.68M

Projected 2012 salaries of standing 25-man roster: $58.42M

Projected 2012 WAR of available players: 15.7

Projected WAR to be added in offseason: 4.6

Projected 2012 win target: 72

Other notes: Not much to say here, for what may be MLB's least interesting team.  I've already noted that each projection should be assumed to be on the optimistic side, but this one might be doubly so, given that payroll has been steadily dropping, and is unlikely to increase by 15% for next year.  Additionally, a good chunk of the 2012 WAR projection comes from playing time increases allocated to Bogusevic and Bourgeois, who played well in 2011, but are lacking pedigree and track record.  There are no impact prospects knocking on the door, although they will be able to draft Andrew Luck in June, if they are so inclined.  The Astros will not be a factor in the 2012 race.  As such, I am also of the opinion they should not be moved to the AL.  Let's move on.

Pittsburgh Pirates

2011 Wins: 72

2011 Pythagorean Wins: 70

2011 Team WAR: 22.7

2011 WAR estimated Wins: 75

Contract status

Players

Cumulative PA

Cumulative IP

Cumulative WAR

Mid-year exits

Joe Beimel,

John Bowker,

Matt Diaz,

Lyle Overbay,

Tim Wood

642

33.3

-1.6

Pending free agents

Derrek Lee,

Ryan Ludwick

246

0

0.7

Team-held contract options

Ronny Cedeno,

Ryan Doumit,

Paul Maholm,

Chris Snyder

862

162.3

6.0

Entering arbitration year

Jose Ascanio,

Brian Burres,

Jason Grilli,

Joel Hanrahan,

Jason Jaramillo,

Garret Jones,

Jeff Karstens,

Evan Meek,

Charlie Morton,

Ross Ohlendorf,

Garrett Olson,

Steven Pearce,

Chris Resop,

Jose Veras,

Brandon Wood

1,027

660

8.3

Player names in bold are projected to be retained for 2012.

2011 Payroll: $42.05M

Weighted 3-yr Payroll: $42.16M

Projected 2012 Payroll: $43.21M

Projected 2012 salaries of standing 25-man roster: $54.63M

Projected 2012 WAR of available players: 25.7

Projected WAR to be added in offseason: -2.4

Projected 2012 win target: 75

Other notes: You are going to find this hard to believe, but the Pirates appear to be facing team construction problems of their own making.  To wit, the sheer volume of arbitration-eligible players is staggering.  If Hanrahan, Karstens, and Morton are in line for the salary increases I've penciled in, the payroll crunch will be significant.  Also, having the two primary catchers up for option decisions at the same time seems less than optimal.  Worse, both catchers are decent, but not $7M decent, which is the neighborhood of both option values.  Bottom line: either the Pirates join the rest of the division in semi-respectable payroll land, or they look forward to yet another losing season.  What's devastating for the franchise, and their fans, is that the Buccos have the single most valuable asset in the entire division in Andrew McCutchen.  And yet, nearly hopeless.

Chicago Cubs

2011 Wins: 71

2011 Pythagorean Wins: 70

2011 Team WAR: 24.1

2011 WAR estimated Wins: 76

Contract status

Players

Cumulative PA

Cumulative IP

Cumulative WAR

Mid-year exits

Doug Davis,

Kosuke Fukudome

358

45.7

1.4

Pending free agents

John Grabow,

Reed Johnson,

Rodrigo Lopez,

Ramon Ortiz,

Carlos Pena,

Kerry Wood

908

244.3

3.1

Team-held contract options

Aramis Ramirez,

Jeff Samardzija

630

88

4.6

Entering arbitration year

Jeff Baker,

Blake DeWitt,

Matt Garza,

Koyie Hill,

Luis Montanez,

Geovany Soto,

Randy Wells

1,260

333.3

4.1

Player names in bold are projected to be retained for 2012.

2011 Payroll: $134.00M

Weighted 3-yr Payroll: $137.59M

Projected 2012 Payroll: $141.03M

Projected 2012 salaries of standing 25-man roster: $112.66M

Projected 2012 WAR of available players: 28.0

Projected WAR to be added in offseason: 4.7

Projected 2012 win target: 85

Other notes: In the grand scheme of things, the Cubs don't lose much this year, but have a gaping hole at first base, plus potentially $30M to spend on shiny new toys.  To me, the biggest question surrounding the Cubs is who takes the GM job.  The splashy Pujols acquisition is the obvious move; a more skilled GM with a long leash may scale back for a year or two while trying to awake the sleeping bear out of hibernation.  All things being equal, this franchise should dominate the division perennially.  Thankfully, they're the Cubs.  There will be brighter moments for this team, even soon, but for now there are simply too many anchors on board to reach anything close to acceptable cruising speed.

Milwaukee Brewers

2011 Wins: 96

2011 Pythagorean Wins: 90

2011 Team WAR: 42.1

2011 WAR estimated Wins: 94

Contract status

Players

Cumulative PA

Cumulative IP

Cumulative WAR

Mid-year exits

Brett Carroll,

Danny Herrera,

Sergio Mitre,

Wil Nieves,

Jeremy Reed

66

34.7

-0.8

Pending free agents

Craig Counsell,

Prince Fielder,

Jerry Hairston,

LaTroy Hawkins,

Mark Kotsay,

Felipe Lopez,

Takashi Saito

1,323

75

7.4

Team-held contract options

Yuniesky Betancourt,

Francisco Rodriguez

585

29

1.9

Entering arbitration year

Carlos Gomez,

Sean Green,

George Kotteras,

Kameron Loe,

Shaun Marcum,

Casey McGehee,

Nyjer Morgan,

Mike Rivera,

Josh Wilson

1,569

284.3

7.5

Player names in bold are projected to be retained for 2012.

2011 Payroll: $83.59M

Weighted 3-yr Payroll: $85.30M

Projected 2012 Payroll: $87.43M

Projected 2012 salaries of standing 25-man roster: $93.39M

Projected 2012 WAR of available players: 40.4

Projected WAR to be added in offseason: -1.1

Projected 2012 win target: 91

Other notes: Sometimes, you go for broke and it works.  But the broken pieces still need to get picked up at the end of the night.  Or something to that effect.  Anyway, look at all the bold names above, and know that at least one of them (Marcum) is going to get paid like a bandit.  The Brewers spend their money wisely...all of their big ticket players are of value, but there's just not enough money to fill all the holes.  Know that with all the projected player losses above, the Brewers have lost the equivalent of over three full time players on offense alone.  And already have more money committed than they're likely to spend.  The team will still be decent, but expect one or more of the solid players to be dealt to begin the rebuilding effort.  As the old baseball adage goes, when you play for one run, that's usually all you get.

Cincinnati Reds

2011 Wins: 79

2011 Pythagorean Wins: 83

2011 Team WAR: 35.0

2011 WAR estimated Wins: 87

Contract status

Players

Cumulative PA

Cumulative IP

Cumulative WAR

Mid-year exits

Jonny Gomes,

Jeremy Hermida

283

0

0.2

Pending free agents

Ramon Hernandez,

Edgar Renteria,

Dontrelle Willis

695

75.7

2.5

Team-held contract options

Francisco Cordero,

Brandon Phillips

675

69.7

6.5

Entering arbitration year

Jose Arredondo,

Homer Bailey,

Bill Bray,

Jared Burton,

Carlos Fisher,

Paul Janish,

Fred Lewis,

Nick Masset,

Edinson Volquez

659

441

1.8

Player names in bold are projected to be retained for 2012.

2011 Payroll: $80.83M

Weighted 3-yr Payroll: $78.06M

Projected 2012 Payroll: $82.85M

Projected 2012 salaries of standing 25-man roster: $71.30M

Projected 2012 WAR of available players: 40.6

Projected WAR to be added in offseason: 2.0

Projected 2012 win target: 94

Other notes: For a team with this kind of mediocre payroll history and target, this is shaping up to be a near-perfect situation: no one is leaving the team that will devastate the W/L ledger, and no one is due the kind of salary raise that will turn the green eyeshades blue.  For a team with the kind of conservative acquisition and turnover history that the Reds do, this is shaping up to be a near-disastrous situation: I count nine names above who the Reds can probably do better without, from a strict dollars vs. wins perspective.  The prevailing winds of team management would lead one to believe that the preferred path of least resistance might ensure a good chunk of these guys will come back, perhaps at a discount.  Screw the discounts; it's time to get bold. 

St. Louis Cardinals

2011 Wins: 90

2011 Pythagorean Wins: 88

2011 Team WAR: 40.9

2011 WAR estimated Wins: 93

Contract status

Players

Cumulative PA

Cumulative IP

Cumulative WAR

Mid-year exits

Miguel Batista,

Ryan Franklin,

Trever Miller,

Colby Rasmus,

Brian Tallet,

Raul Valdes,

P.J. Walters

388

95

-1.6

Pending free agents

Edwin Jackson,

Gerald Laird,

Corey Patterson,

Albert Pujols,

Nick Punto

1,011

78

7.7

Team-held contract options

Octavio Dotel,

Rafael Furcal,

Yadier Molina,

Arthur Rhodes

737

33.3

5.6

Entering arbitration year

Kyle McClellan,

Jason Motte,

Skip Schumaker,

Ryan Theriot

925

210.7

2.5

Player names in bold are projected to be retained for 2012.

2011 Payroll: $109.05M

Weighted 3-yr Payroll: $100.69M

Projected 2012 Payroll: $111.78M

Projected 2012 salaries of standing 25-man roster: $94.59M

Projected 2012 WAR of available players: 41.1

Projected WAR to be added in offseason: 2.9

Projected 2012 win target: 96

Other notes: First things first, either Pujols is gone, or drastic changes are coming.  As you can see above, my rough financial projections don't leave room for a Pujols-worthy contract.  If they want to keep him, then the purse strings get hella loose, or they shed big chunks of the roster to make room.  Second things second, the big wild card here is Adam Wainwright.  The club owns a $9M option on his 2012 services that automatically vested with his top 5 finish in the 2010 Cy Young voting.  However, the option is voidable if he's on the DL at the end of 2011.  Which clause wins out?  Google is of little help, so I've taken the approach that the vesting will stand.  So $9M is locked in...what will the team get out of him?  The third big unknown is Shelby Miller, who is the best prospect in the division, and one of the biggest potential game changers in the mix.  On the other hand, Homer Bailey was once a top pitching prospect too.  Finally, I'm not sure I've ever seen a team get so much value out of so many unheralded players for such a sustained period of time.  Seriously, Allen Craig?  I don't have a projection model built for karma yet, but if I did, this team has to be due for a course correction.

***

At the end of it all, the interested observer asked the wise old coach what the most important play in a soccer game is.  The next one, the wise old coach slyly responded.  Nonsense, said the interested observer. 

The most important play, explained the observer, is the one you make when you have the opportunity to win.

The Reds aren't the best team on paper heading into the winter, but they're close...possibly as close as they've been since some unknown 28 year old third baseman named Albert Pujols showed up in Cardinals camp all those years ago.  The void the team has been waiting for has arrived, and it's time to take advantage.  I don't know right now which opportunities will be there.  Which free agents, which trade targets to chase will be tackled in time.  For now, a hope and a plea: the goal is again within range.  Take the shot.

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Corey Patterson is going to be on a playoff team

that is bullshit

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

so is Yuni Betancourt

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Sep 30, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is fantastic.

Except for the part where you accurately describe how, instead of being bold and cutting ties with inefficient resources, the club is likely to do more treading water and hoping for improvement.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Sep 30, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

But! But!

Walt said the offseason was going to be busy!

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Sep 30, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very interesting stuff

The WAR estimates are what’s commonly used for salary considerations, though they’re a bit crude, but it gives a nice high level proxy. (I for one don’t expect Phillips to put up a 5.5.)

I could probably check, but is this fWAR or bWAR? The difference can be rather large, especially with pitching. (i.e. Cueto, bWAR: 4.3, fWAR:2.8)

As you say, the Cardinals could go in pretty different directions next year, which makes them extremely interesting. Wainwright could be just fine, or he could have lost a substantial part of his control. Carpenter is the age where it’s not unlikely for him to implode. Berkman might realize who his knees belong to. Or of course, they could all be fine, which would be trouble.

I agree with the assessment that we should employ some gumption, but how do you see that being done? I can’t see free agency yielding much (nor do I think I want it to), which leaves trades. Push hard for Shields from Tampa? Something else?

by RedStalk on Sep 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

All WAR is taken from B-R.com

I’m vaguely aware of the East Cost/West Coast gang war over WAR, but I refuse to choose sides.

As for Phillips, I don’t project a 5.5 WAR either. 2011 WAR (per B-R) = 4.2. 2012 high-level projection = 3.6. Still well worth the 12 large.

by riverfront76 on Sep 30, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Phillips

I generally use fWAR as I like their interface better, though I don’t think I’ve looked into it enough to know which I actually prefer from an analytic standpoint. The 5.5 was coming from his 6.0 fWAR this year, which I’m not sure passes the smell test.

by RedStalk on Sep 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for what to do...

I think free agency is the optimal route if you have the money and the cache. The Reds probably have neither. Trade availability is generally foolish to predict, but I expect that Cincy has the chits to make some names appear.

Alonso, Grandal, Hamilton, Frazier, Corcino, & co. should all be on the table. See what happens.

by riverfront76 on Sep 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since you people are sticklers for showing one's work

I figured I’d also lay out the full 25 man roster as currently projected, with salary projections attached.

Pitchers
Arredondo, $1.296M, arbitration
Arroyo, $8.364M, under contract
Bailey, $2.808M, arbitration
Bray, $3.24M, arbitration (NOTE: I know this is too high for a LOOGY. High-level analysis is high level)
Chapman, $3.5M, under contract
Cueto, $5.4M, under contract
Horst, $0.455M, pre-arb
Leake, $0.468M, pre-arb
LeCure, $0.455M, pre-arb
Masset, $1.7M, arbitration
Ondrusek, $0.46M, pre-arb
Wood, $0.465M, pre-arb

Catchers
Hanigan, $1.3M, under contract
Mesoraco, $0.455M, pre-arb

Infielders
Cairo, $1M, under contract
Cozart, $0.455M, pre-arb
Frazier, $0.455M, pre-arb
Phillips, $12M, team option
Rolen, $8.167M, under contract
Votto, $11M, under contract

Outfielders
Alonso, $1.4M, under contract
Bruce, $5.042, under contract
Heisey, $0.461M, pre-arb
Sappelt, $0.455M, pre-arb
Stubbs, $0.495M, pre-arb

by riverfront76 on Sep 30, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

seems like Stubbs has been on this team forever

and he’s still pre-arb next year? awesome!

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Sep 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The entire outfield (reserves included) costs just under $8 million, wow

I wonder what the highest OF cost was, Griffey/Dunn/????

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Sep 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Griffey-Bichette-Dmitri had to be up there.

Especially with Michael Tucker, The Indomnitable Brian Hunter, and Alex Ochoa backing ’em up.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Killer stuff RF76. I think this projection looks pretty good

Except for the Bray salary, like you say. I think they’ll settle his last two arb years for a relatively low ’12 salary.

I’m pretty sure you’re right about Arroyo’s contract which, defers $15M thru 2021. If you divide 15/11, you get $1.64M on top of his on $7M base salary.

It seems pretty likely now that Cordero will be back and there’s some early indication Chapman may be back to starting, so they could be paying his MLB salary to be in the minors. They might be paying a free agent, possibly Willis, to fill his set-up role. But they could just as easily go with Horst as the other lefty in the ’pen and have Arredondo, Bray and Masset setting-up. I think they need to find another set-up guy, but they can save money by keeping it all in the family.

Also, it looks like Volquez gets non-tendered or traded in your scenario. He’s out of options, so I think he’ll be back at a flat salary, with the ’pen as a fall-back.

I’m thinking the Reds can sign Cordero, work BP down a million or two on his 2012 salary with an extension and have almost $10M to spend on filling two spots: one bullpen, one starter (with the assumption that Wood and Chapman would be in the minors and one of their 5 MLB starters could have to be bumped).

Mgr., Red Reporter

"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 30, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you're wrong about Cordero

The peripherals are approaching the cliff and the brake lines have been cut.

That said, I just don’t see how the numbers work out: he’s been getting 12M year after year, he’s an ESTABLISHED CLOSER, and he saved 37 out of 43 with a solid ERA/WHIP. Either the Reds sign him, and use the vast majority of their available payroll space to do so, or he heads off to a team with an open checkbook.

I’m having a hard time imagining him signing for $4M or so to stay with the Reds, which is what he’d have to do if Uncle Walt is still going to have that much jack to spend.

by riverfront76 on Sep 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

there were rumors the other day that a deal with Coco was about to be announced

Still no announcement?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

with phillips, its bronson arroyo all over again

I just dont see the reasoning in signing a guy who just had a career year at the age of 30 when you have an option available. Im a phillips fan and would love to see him in cincy past next year, but im definitely wary of him sustaining his production level. While the extra room next year would be nice, i just dont think its worth the risk. Pick up the option and see how next year plays out.

by pack_fan on Sep 30, 2011 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep. Well said P_F

I’d like to pick her option however!

Kevin Youkilis: If I were to go anywhere, I would want to go to Cincinnati .

by Madville on Oct 2, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think END is going to be on the roster

He’s out of options, and he’s the favored son at 3B behind Rolen.

Walt has also said he’s going to sign a veteran SS.

END won’t change the money much, but said veteran SS might, depending on who he signs.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walt is a fuckhead if he spends money on a veteran SS.

Rolen should retire, tomorrow if not sooner.
End could be OK at 3B. and you’ve got a feisty Frazier in the wings.
Votto is the trade-able commodity that the Reds could really get something for.
But Walt is getting old and seems to heavily influenced by Dustwadfuckpants = more retread vets,

Kevin Youkilis: If I were to go anywhere, I would want to go to Cincinnati .

by Madville on Oct 2, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Estimated payroll

Does the Brewers one subtract Rodriguez, Saito, Hawkins, Counsell, Kotsay and Cherry? Of those guys the only one I think has a chance to come back is Cherry.

I’d be really surprised if they dealt anyone of consequence. Morgan seems logical, but I’d still be surprised. Maybe Narveson too, but he’s probably not very valuable and they are resistant to change.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Sep 30, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

None of those players are included

The estimate assumes no pending free agents to be rolled forward.

by riverfront76 on Sep 30, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So could it be said,

now is the winter of your discontent?

/shows self out

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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