Cincinnati runs Queens like it was Josh Homme. Reds win, 6-5.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 PM EDT
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Chris Heisey. Ecto Cooler went 3-5 with two runs and a three run dinger. And he stole a base. And he played both left and center. So versatile! Heisey now has 18 home runs in 299 plate appearances, or one every 16.6 PA. Jay Bruce, the team leader, is homering just once every 21 PA. Honorable mentions go to Dave Sappelt (reached base twice, scored a run, and stole his first base) and Devin Mesoraco (doubled, caught a runner stealing).
Key Plays
- Brandon Phillips is, shall we say, an effective leadoff hitter. He doubled off of Chris Schwinden to start the game, moved to third on Edgar Renteria's sacrifice bunt, and then scored on Joey Votto's sacrifice fly. Even the Bothan that was handing over the plans to the Death Star said, "Damn, that's a lot of sacrifices!" Reds lead, 1-0.
- With two outs in the second, Schwinden made a fielding error on a ball hit by Dave Sappelt, and he reached base safely. Then he stole second, and Devin Mesoraco drove him in with a double. Reds lead, 2-0.
- Homer Bailey ran into a spot of bother in the third inning. He struck out the pitcher, but Jose Reyes and Ruben Tejada both singled. Willie Harris, who's apparently a #3 hitter, flew out, but David Wright singled and Reyes scored. Then Nick Evans hit a double, and Tejada and Wright both came home. Mets lead, 3-2.
- Chris Heisey manufactured a run in the fourth to draw terms level again. He bunted with one out and successfully got himself on first. Then he stole second, and motored all the way home on Dave Sappelt's shallow single to left. Game tied, 3-3.
- The Mets immediately answered back. Jason Pridie hit a one out triple, and Jose Reyes hit a sac fly after Bailey walked the pitcher. If he gets the pitcher out, like Schwinden's .167 average suggests he should have, Reyes's fly ball counts for naught. Instead, Mets lead, 4-3.
- Homer Bailey did work out of a two out, bases loaded mess by striking out Pridie in the fifth. It would be Bailey's last action of the night.
- With one out, Tim Byrdak faced the Reds in the seventh inning. Byrdak doesn't have a great track record of late season success against the Reds, and so it was tonight. He faced Joey Votto and Jay Bruce and gave up singles to both of them. Josh Stinson relieved him, and promptly gave up a three run shot to Chris Heisey. It was legen... wait for it... dary! Reds lead, 6-4.
- People try to tell me that Jose Arredondo is a good pitcher. Every time I pay attention, though, he's giving up runs. Like in tonight's eighth inning. He walked Mike Baxter with one out, then Jose Reyes hit a ball into the right field corner. Baxter scored, but Jay Bruce's throw and Brandon Phillips's relay were able to nail Reyes at third. Ruben Tejada singled, but Devin Mesoraco threw him out, and Arredondo thanked both his defense and the Mets' terrible baserunning for getting him out of the inning. Reds win, 6-5.
- After putting the first two runners on in the ninth, Francisco Cordero induced a lame bunt and a game-ending double play to preserve the victory.
Other Notes
- The Reds can still finish the season with 80 wins. So very 2006.
- The Reds loaded the bases in the sixth inning, but didn't score.
- Joey Votto is great. It doesn't really have anything to do with the game, but maybe if we tell him that enough, he'll stay.
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Woah woah woah hold up
Dave Sappelt reached base 4 times, not 2. (Reached on errors twice, walk and single)
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
Reaching on error does not count as getting on base
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Wait
ROE counts against OBP? That seems kind of dumb. I mean, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if faster players cause more throwing errors. I know for a fact that happens all through younger leagues, wouldn’t it make sense for speed to cause errors in the majors as well?
Speed and power
“that ball was too hot to handle”
Seems like OBP should be a messure of how a player gets on base regardless of how. HBP counts, and the batter only has so much control of that.
by Eastwindquinn on Sep 27, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Theoretically
an error is a ball that should be an out with normal effort, so the hitter should have little say in why errors occur, outside of putting the ball in play. Theoretically.
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This is the whole problem with building statistics based on moral judgements
In football, all incomplete passes effect completion percentage the same way, whether they were dropped passes or poor throws. You don’t reduce a running back’s yards per carry because the linebacker committed an “error” and missed a tackle.
Baseball is the only sport that creates a special statistical category based not on what happened, but on what some guy sitting in the stands thinks should have happened.
Sapp’s bunt single (scored an “error”) from last night is a perfect example of why this is silly.
Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Sep 27, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to get all phenomenological here,
but I think that imprecision is what makes baseball so interesting. Football leaves me cold, it’s like a big machine. You put in the raw material and out pops the product, shiny and consistent. You can celebrate its parity, the role of play-calling, etc., but I prefer the unpredictability and overwhelming failure endemic to baseball.
This is why I find Moneyball critiques so absurd. Baseball is a fundamentally unequal game because of its financial structure, but there are innovative ways that “poor” teams can begin to close the gap. Not to say I wouldn’t like the Reds to spend more money on free agents, but it is equally intriguing to see how a team like the Reds can become competitive without doing so, as it is intriguing to watch a team like the Red Sox completely implode despite their ability to spend.
Errors are a flawed stat, certainly. But what fun to have a sport with a major category defined by interpretation, not objective fact.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 27, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
FWIW
The NL leader in reaches on error is Omar Infante with 13. Eight players have 10 or more. If you included Infante’s ROE in his OBP, it’d be about 20 points higher. What I’d actually do though is remove ROE from the denominator, which would only give him 7 more points of OBP. I’m not sure that ROE is a skill, though I think there is a “skill” to being hit by pitch. I don’t think hitters should get on-base credit for ROE, but I also don’t think they should be docked for it either.
Also, I think, for the most part, official scorers do a pretty good job of assessing an error vs. a hit, or at the very least, err on the side of assigning a hit more often.
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Doesn't fWAR account for ROE as though it were a skill?
I remember reading about this because Jeter apparently has this “intangible” skill in spades, making people believe that there is indeed (and unequivocally) a skill component to ROE.
Counting against OBP is rather counter-intutitive, but it wouldn’t be the only counter-intuitive rule for stats keeping. In fact, that might make it the norm in baseball.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
wOBA includes ROE
not sure that means it’s a skill, just that it’s something worth counting. I agree with that. I’m just not bothered with it not being in OBP and I’m only slightly bothered by the fact that a player gets docked OBP because of his ROE.
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I think this is a great point
Though you could argue that football statistics unfairly penalize quarterbacks for having butterfingered receivers in the same way errors penalize players who have a skill for reaching base on playable balls. So do judgment calls muddy the waters more than impersonal statistics?
In football, the QB and receiver both want to complete the pass. And it either is or it isn’t completed. But baseball makes the “hit” sacred, rather than just asking whether a player reached base or not.
In the case of sacrifice flies, where the RBI was sacred. You don’t get debited an 0-1, even though you flied out. OBP eliminated that problem by counting sac-flies as plate appearances.
The problem with errors is that a hitter’s stats are affected by its existence regardless of what you do with it. If RoE counts positively toward OBP, then hitters clearly benefit at least in cases where a ball is played well, but just thrown away. Or maybe it needs to be neutral in OBP, like Slyde suggests. And the ERROR eliminated if hit f/x comes up with the secret to a nuanced, empirical version of defense.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This might have been a long way of saying the fielding error just seems like
an extension of batted ball randomness.
While maybe the throwing error is something different.
At the end of the day, you have to build defensive efficiency and BABIP luck into your model for how hitters perform on balls in play.
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"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 27, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that why runs scored off errors only count as half-runs?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 27, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd a million times for the title
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
You'd think it wasnt worth a dollar
But it sure feels like a millionaire
by pack_fan on Sep 27, 2011 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, You Would Know
(Fair warning, I could do this all day)
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
so, now when you reply the words "subject (optional) are in the header
and the word “message” is in the body.
wow, this has to be the most pointless sb nation “innovation” of all time. also, the subject line should not be optional.
Me either, galdarnit.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 27, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is that the pic that got deleted last night?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
what exactly does not putting a subject do for pics? does it show up for people who have them turned off?
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
No, but if you click on the subject heading you can hide them.
Without a subject, there’s nothing to click
gotcha ... i always wondered why i was getting yelled at ...
honestly, i usually just forget … but i’m trying to improve and make myself a better RR poster
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Sep 27, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Sep 27, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes it is, although the static background helps
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Message... (optional)
Subject…
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
It really only works if you copy and paste the subject line
otherwise, I’m pretty sure both messages disappear.
Ouch
Something tells me the fly didn’t survive that
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
That's a fly?
Way to ruin my fantasies
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Good God
That looks horrifying
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
I googled it, and read the first line on the wiki article that popped up in the results.
AAAH! CTRL-W! CTRL-W!
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
Jesus, just read about it
Sounds worse than Human Centipede or whatever that movie was
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
But without the accompanying cat toys!
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
by andromache on Sep 27, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure I want my cats playing with a toy like that
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
good grief
Where on earth did you find that? Human Centipede cat toys????
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There's worse out there
Check out the plot for A Serbian Film.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I should've stopped reading at "semi-retired Serbian porn star..."
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I just wish I had stopped before
“Milos jams his erect penis into Rasa’s empty eye socket, killing him”
Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Sep 27, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So you basically read the whole plot?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
for me
the words disappear as soon as I click in the reply box.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Subject... (optional)
Message…
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
this could suck
I could see a lot of accidental posts in the heat of a game thread.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
mobile rec to the author
Freddy Mercury next? Or you could go the Flushing route. That’s fertile territory.
Why do I only recognize about a third of the names in the Mets’ lineup? I thought I knew most MLB players.
by poojols on Sep 27, 2011 9:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
#Threadjack
Wow, the Marlins’ backstop is going to have an aquarium. That’s . . . absurd.
http://sbnation.tumblr.com/post/10726964359/gdolboys-the-new-florida-marlins-stadium-will
"NEMO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!"
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by jch24 on Sep 27, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Isn't that sort of the logical next-step for people who sit in the very front row?
They were already the least likely to be paying attention to the game.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 27, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
In the seats behind the dugout, they will have a gigantic aquarium of nacho cheese with burgers and corn dogs floating in it.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a vegitarian now
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
They're so much lower in cholesterol than vegetarians.
And have kind of a nutty flavor. Or so I’ve heard.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
Much like Robert Evans
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
I wonder if the fish will freak out and jump back when a foul ball screams back to them like the people do
that’s the only reason worth paying attention to the diamond club ticketholders
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Sep 27, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
We should put Asian Carp in the tanks!
C’mon, tell me you wouldn’t laugh if a 10 lb carp flew out of the tank and landed on Longoria’s face.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
by andromache on Sep 27, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
it would just complain that the tank wasn't rubbed down enough or that the fake mini-castle was tilted just a but
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Sep 27, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
[something about Chris Carpenter and his son and explaining things]
Ingenuity (optional.) Laziness….
by the finest muffins on Sep 27, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree ... i just get a good laugh when they jump two rows back at a wild pitch or foul ball
not that i wouldn’t do the same
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Sep 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
i think aroldis justified their scared reactions earlier this season
they need to reinforce those nets!
What if Chapman throws a wild pitch at Florida next year...
…and all the fish in the backstop aquarium die?
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
seriously, fish people are always saying, "don't tap on the glass, you'll scare em"
what’s a screaming line drive going to do?
so BOB has the pool, SD has the sandbox/playground thing, MM has the train, this place will have the aquariums …. what next? New Wrigley get a chicken glory hole for fans to take out their aggression?
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Sep 27, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Won't the fish not know it's coming, though?
I assume the field side of the tank is opaque.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 27, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it matters when the ball hits the side of the tank and jars the shit out of everything therein
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Fish people?
Are those like mermaids?
by the finest muffins on Sep 27, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
actually that is a good reason to put up weaker nets. If you pay $250 to go to a baseball game you deserve a 102 MPH fastball in your head.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 27, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Subject...jealous
Message…extremely jealous.
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by Slyde on Sep 27, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
also, pretty much nobody down there actually paid 250 for those seats
they are almost all either corporate seats or bought for less than face value via craigslist, stubhub & the like
I've never seen those tickets for less than 3 figures on stubhub
and corporations are people!
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 27, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, but the people sitting in those seats were given the tickets
you can almost always get diamond seats for around 100 a piece via craigslist.
I can't really justify $100 for a ticket
and i don’t think I ever could (at least for a Reds regular season game).
But I am cheap.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 27, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
are you insane?
100 is a great deal. the park opens early for a tremendous buffet. all food & drinks are included in the price of the ticket. top shelf liquor & draft beer. the buffet & bar is indoors and there are waiters that bring you food & alcohol during the game.
the seats are bigger and padded. You could easily go to the game & spend over 100 for inferior seats, food & alcohol.
by 'tHan on Sep 27, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This man is wise and you should listen to him
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Oh shit, i had no idea free alcohol was included
i just assumed you had to pay for your beer.
Actually $100 for a baseball ticket, free food, and free booze isn’t a bad deal.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 27, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering how much I can drink, Banana Bob would lose money.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Sep 27, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Subject... (optional)
Message…
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I suppose
it will be foul-ball proof, but it still seems a little crazy.
Women sitting in the first row will have to wear pants, or be careful to sit with their legs together. Though I suppose many would consider that a feature, not a bug.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, otherwise you may not be able to tell the crabs from the crabs!
Sorry . . .
by FordhamRam on Sep 27, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I really don't think the field side will be transparent.
Can you imagine how Chris Carpenter would complain if it were?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 27, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
look at the illustration
The field side is transparent. (Look at the tank on the third base side.)
That’s kind of the point of doing something so outrageous. It has to be visible on TV.
But it looks like there won’t be a tank directly behind the batter. Just to either side, by the on-deck circles. So Carp will have to find something else to carp about.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
You are right!
Mea culpa. I thought it was just behind home plate. Mike Trout, Tim Salmon, and Mike Carp will thrive in Miami.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 27, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And we can now say where Alex Gonzalez will be playing next year
by ken on Sep 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
from MLB.com
New park to feature aquarium backstop:
MIAMI — The Marlins announced a new highlight for their upcoming stadium on Thursday — dual aquariums that will serve as a home-plate backstop.
The twin custom-made saltwater aquariums will flank both sides of home plate while encompassing fish and coral-reef ecosystems at the new ballpark, which will open at the start of the 2012 season.
The aquariums were constructed by the world’s leading custom aquarium manufacturer, Living Color Enterprises Inc., and “have been designed to utilize the latest cutting-edge technology and will incorporate unique features to ensure the safety and health of the many species of aquatic life that will inhabit them,” a team-issued news release stated.
The aquarium on the right side of home plate — when looking from the pitcher’s mound — will measure 34 feet in length and 36 inches high while holding 600 gallons of seawater. The one on the left will be 24 feet long and hold 450 gallons.
Each aquarium will be constructed using a durable fiberglass structure, and white crystal-clear acrylic panels 1.5 inches thick will be used for the viewing windows. To safeguard it from impact, Lexan — the material used for bulletproof windows — will be installed in front and in back of the acrylic panels.
They’re supposed to be positioned so they won’t distract the players.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Just for 'tHan
Rihanna too sexy for Irish farmer.
Also, she smokes and is left handed? You know what that means…
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
No....no I do not know. What?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 27, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i didn't watch the video, but my guess is she looks better than normal in it
however, i do have to wonder why people still waste money & make music videos
you should watch the video, she looks much better than normal in it
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Does anyone know how to find a list of who has votes for the MVP and Cy Young?
I’ve been trying to find it, but I’m struggling to come up with anything. Is it kept secret until the voting is over?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Well for Cy Young they have to be a BBWA member
Two votes from each team representative determines the winner….
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
right
I’m fairly certain its the same for MVP, but what I was trying to find was the actual names.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
I don't think it's made public
Best you can do to my knowledge is see whe who has BBWAA credentials here.
I think some writers will disclose who they voted for and their top three
But it seems to be entirely voluntary and is usually released after they’ve sent in their ballot but before the results are announced
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Jay Bruce hits like a Queen.
That is all… since we like to play on words so much.
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