Red Reposter - This is the END
It's the last Monday of the regular season. The Reds head to New York to play the Metropolitans, who will not only finish the Reds' 2011 season but also their employment of former Reds GM Wayne Krivsky. It's the merciful end to a forgettable year, but nevertheless, it's been emotional. The links:
- Dontrelle can finally cross off the "W" from his 2011 to-do list
The Reds avoided the sweep yesterday in Pittsburgh as Dontrelle Willis threw a Quality Start and added a go-ahead two-run double. He's had his moments during the last two months of the season, and while he's not a favorite to make the 2012 rotation I think he'll get the opportunity to compete for it. He certainly didn't deserve the punishment meted out by BP after the game. - END's unlikely defensive tutor
Juan Francisco had three doubles on the weekend, but it's his improved defense which has surprised me the most. Some of the improvement may be attributable to a pep talk from the Cubs' Aramis Ramirez. Ramirez was one of the few bright spots during Dusty's Chicago years and has maintained a relationship with his former manager, which looks to have paid dividends for END. Baker: "He’s one of the guys that took it upon himself to talk with Francisco the same way we talked to him about how bright your future could be, what he was in that stage, really working out this winter, getting into tip-top shape and give yourself the maximum chance to prosper in your career, no matter what role, that is until the time comes you can possibly be playing every day." - Jocketty, Phillips' agents to start talks this week
Walt is already on record as saying that the team will exercise its $12M option for Brandon Phillips. Whether BP remains a Red beyond 2012 will likely depend on whether the parties reach a longer term agreement this winter. Jocko: "We've had some discussions. It's more of just continuing discussions." BP has gone on the record that he will not be cutting the Reds a break, but he really does seem to enjoy playing in Cincinnati and I suspect that he was posturing more than anything. - Dusty to return next season
After the team announced Walt Jocketty’s extension, there was some speculation - mostly from me - that Baker could be on his way out. That does not appear to be the case. Fay notes here that Baker and the entire coaching staff will return in 2012. - Daugherty - 'Moneyball' offers guidance to Reds
Doc re-read Moneyball and thinks about its meaning for the Reds. Most of the article is reasonable - particularly on giving Alonso a shot in LF - but picking on Stubbs for his strikeouts is very un-Moneyball: I have no idea what Stubbs could do if he cut his K total by half. (Remember when 100 strikeouts was considered excessive?) That’s a Bill James problem. But I’m guessing he’d hit close to .300 and score 125 runs. Uh, sure. Andromache considered the Stubbs quandry in much more detail, and I completely agree that he should be back as the starting CF next year.
- Grant Brisbee has gotten a headstart on scripts for the next big baseball movie
I think Fish Balls is the most promising of his projects. I also think that with Moneyball's testosterone-fueled target audience, an adult film parody is likely. Moneyshot, perhaps. - Lost in the Moneyball hype machine last week was a seminal BPro article about pitch-framing
Catchers have always been tough to evaluate defensively, but Mike Fast has dug through the PitchFX data to value each catcher's ability to frame pitches for strikes. Skipping to the results, Ryan Hanigan places among the top quarter (which was supported by THT's study earlier this year), while Ramon Hernandez rates well below average. The gap between the two is considerable - 19 runs per 120 games caught, or about two wins. It might be interesting to see who on the Reds' staff was helped and hurt by this. In any event, I recommend reading the article, especially the parts where he breaks down by video the techniques that curry favor with umpires. - It's looking more and more like expanded playoffs will be coming
The bb-ref blog links a NY Post article reporting that the new collective bargaining agreement will add two wild-card teams. The two WCs in each league will face off in a one-game playoff to determine who gets to face the league's top seed. This will apparently be in place either next year or 2013. I'm for it. The playoffs have become even more of a crapshoot after the '94 realignment, so it's not as if an elimination game between two non-division winners strips the process of integrity. What it will provide is sudden-death drama which we only see when a series is pushed to the maximum number of games, which is pretty rare. - After 200,000 games, Marty Noble looks back at the first
On Saturday, MLB's official 200,000th contest was played between two of the game's most historic franchises, the Astros and Rockies. You might think the first game involved the Reds, since they're credited as the first professional baseball team. You'd be right, sort of. On Saturday, April 22, 1876, the Boston Red Stockings defeated the Philadelphia Athletics 6-5 at the Jefferson Street Grounds in Philadelphia. The Red Stockings were the successor of the original Cincinnati Red Stockings. That team folded after the 1870 season, and player-manager Harry Wright took three of his guys from Cincinnati to form a new team with the same name and uniforms in Boston. That team eventually became the Atlanta Braves, not the Boston Red Sox. Similarly, the Philadelphia Athletics squad is not the franchise of the same name that began play in the American League. Simple, right? - September 26, 1961: Reds 6, Cubs 3
While this season winds down to a pitiful close, fifty years ago today the Reds ended on a much higher note, clinching their first pennant in 21 years at Wrigley Field. The Reds scored all their runs from the sixth inning on, powered by home runs from Frank Robinson, Jerry Lynch, and Johnny Edwards. Jim Brosnan summed up the season: "the wind has been blowing right for us all year." Hopefully next year, the Reds enjoy more favorable currents.
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no chance in hell pitch framing creates 2 wins/yr
Did I read that wrong?
I doubt that mlb umps are influenced much at all by pitch framing, they’re trained to judge the ball as it crosses the plate not where the C catches it.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 8:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
My first reaction was that this didn't pass the smell test. But:
- Seems like there are several games a year when someone like Volquez gets shelled because he doesn’t get the borderline calls. If you turn some of those 2-1 counts (879 OPS against, in the 2011 NL) to 1-2 (404), I can see that making a huge difference.
- The THT study earlier this year confirmed the BPro findings as far as Hanigan’s proficiency and the approximate value of pitch-framing. I don’t have the statistical background to to criticize either study, but I find some comfort that two reputable, independent sources arrived at similar conclusions.
- I do think umpires are susceptible to a catcher’s framing skills. Check out the videos – someone like Ryan Doumit, who isn’t a fluid receiver, is not going to get the benefit of the doubt that a more stable receiver enjoys, like Jose Molina.
Catcher reception definitely influences ball/strike calls, IMO
2 wins seems enormous, but I would not be alarmed to have 1-win differences, or possibly 2 wins between the very best and the very worst, maybe.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
id like to hear the mlb umpires union take on this
Id also like to know if an ump would admit to framing being effective.
“Definitely” influences ball/strike calls is debatable
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not an mlb umpire
but a couple of months ago i talked to my dad about it, who has done amateur umpiring, softball, high school baseball, shit like that for over 20 years.
He thinks he is more likely to call a pitch a ball if the catchers glove moves to bring it back, and a strike if the glove stays still.
Don’t know what that is worth.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't really care if the umpires will admit to it
maybe they are unaware of it, which I am sure is what they would say (and probably is true) if it were proven that it happens anyway.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yeah, I think the umpire's union would be the least objective source on this
Maybe a former ump who’s far enough removed from the game would be worth talking to.
or, y'know,
a nonbiased and scientifically rigorous study of the issue.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cincy St teachers are going back to work!!!
Glad they finally came to their senses.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is there going to be a Biggest User of Non-Sequitirs award in your year end awards?
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Sep 26, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If their union was worth a damn
the scabbs wouldn’t have windows left in their cars.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
is framing pitches baseball's equivalent of soccer floppers?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, technically the refs are supposed to spot the ball with their foot when the guy is down.
But when there’s a tackle involving three players or more, there’s bound to be some ambiguity under the pile.
If done in the aggregate, it could improve a team’s third down completion percentage, which helps sustain drives, which leads to higher scoring.
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"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can imagine framing techniques like cheating the glove, staying stationary and not looking down
are the most influential, but I wonder whether there might be other way of influencing the call. Aromatherapy? Making a sibilant “sss” sound to get the ump started on saying “ssstriiike”?
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing to remember too
is that they’re not discovering 2 new wins. These wins, for the most part, already show up in the pitcher’s results. What they’re finding is that the catcher maybe deserves a little more of the credit. FWIW, I was talking with Chris Welsh about this and he says that the results of the study don’t surprise him. And he’s part of the pitcher’s union.
Follow on Twitter: @jluckhaupt. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!
the C should get credit for calling a game, handling pitchers, blocking errant pitches
But framing pitches, imho, needs a microscope to measure its value.
You get more WAR from wearing your socks high!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no, you get more xFlip for wearing your socks high
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Sep 26, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
So if I'm wearings socks....
…uh…um…what?
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Sep 26, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Sep 26, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
just skip it
Replaces my original: blow me…..madville
This should be deleted from the front page. Its a travesty, it really should be a fanshot.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
really compromises the journalistic integrity of the website
Fucking cash grab!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't even know what they're talking about
There’s a thread we can’t comment on on the front page?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
they locked the comments on the oakeart rum thread
probably because they knew there would be no serious suggestions for the 3 word tagline.
wow
I checked the frontpage with IE, and low, there’s a big-ass yellow story on the frontpage that’s invisible in Firefox. I must have something ad-blocked here that keeps the Oakheart thing from displaying.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I had no idea either
I could see it in the mod section as a post but couldn’t touch it. Looks like it came from on high and is out of RR’s control.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
unless that band had a football stadium, a macrobrew, a chain of restaurants, and a casino licensed out.
I, for one, will never get tired of cruelly mocking Buffett.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He's got a pretty valid point though, you gotta admit
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
as long as his point is that buffett is a very successful businessman
i rarely begrudge people for making money
Then why begrudge SBNation making money?
Bandwidth and server farms ain’t free.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Sep 26, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
buffett doesnt interrupt his concert to read a commercial advertisement
Sure there was corona banners in the day and landshark banners now, but its peripheral.
Bubba don’t front page the ads!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you dislike the internet in general then? Because banner ads are everywhere.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I am, that's why I had to open the front page in IE to even see what the hell you guys were talking about
It’s almost like I can control my Red Reporter experience by utilizing options available to me.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
If someone else would like to, they can have at it
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Wait, he got banned?
I really need to come around more often.
Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Sep 26, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
he got banned
Then unbanned, then re-banned.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
what teams still wear vests?
That really went out of fashion quickly, didn’t it?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Did anyone else wear them?
I thought the Reds did it as a callback to Klu cutting the sleeves off of his uni back in the 50’s
Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Sep 26, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost. If only there was an Ignore feature...
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Sep 26, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be willing to click on every banner ad for a week
if the funds went towards an ignore feature!
by 'tHan on Sep 26, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It already exists, dudes.
http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2011/7/7/2263406/creating-an-sb-nation-do-not-read-list
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Sep 26, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
come to think of it, ol' Slyder hasn't responded to anything I've said in a while...
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Make a comment with any kind of spurious statistical support
He’ll come running.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Alternatively, make any comment
that allows for a double-entendre response.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
like the Pete & Pete episode
where young Pete wears defective underwear
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He can do that while running?
I have to be stationary (1.000 of the time).
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
only for Chrome and Safari
Booo!
There must be a Firefox plugin out there somewhere. I know there used to be one for Daily Kos, and they’re our parent company or some such thing. The software is the same.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
So I have to choose between Ad Block and the ignore feature? Well poo.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I just downloaded the ignore thing
It works pretty well.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 26, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't read this.
can someone else tell me what he wrote?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
"for all you grumpy, whiny SB Nation members out there who think they're too good to waste time reading the comments of members they deem inferior and who wish there was a way to create a "Do Not Read" list"
….did somebody call me?
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
in all honesty,
a +/- system like they do on MGoBlog would be great.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
whatever, cuntfag
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Sep 26, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That's its genius.
It has a placebo effect on the easily offended without screwing up the content for everyone else.
it is like the close button in an elevator
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
High five for consecutive correct apostrophe use!
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Sep 26, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A comment goes pink for us mods if it gets two or more flags
Otherwise, the single-flagged comments can be seen in the “flag’d comments” section on the mod page. We tell each other inside jokes all the time using the flags!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 26, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the users need pop up access
There’s been some mod misbehavior this year.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
as someone who made a Ken Caminiti joke that got green'd
I can say this is not the truth.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
But that may not have been greened if it's a plus/minus system!
Yeah, I rec’d it, but there may be 5 sissymary lurkers that give it a -.
You can't +/- anything on MGoBlog unless you are registered and signed in
I know you could sign in here and still be a ‘lurker’, but having your name attached to something does make it slightly less likely that you’d needlessly mark something down.
Having said that, I hate the commenting system on that site.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
going back to a non-staggered commenting system is impossible for me at this point
It’s SBNation’s greatest feature. But having some way to tell how much to trust a person would be pretty nifty.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The non-staggered part sucks
But so does the part where you have to reload to see new comments.
On another note, and I know I’m biased, but that is one of the best college sports blogs I’ve ever seen. The main writer on there is really, really good.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I don't read it because I just don't care,
but his “This Week in Schadenfreude” is one of the best things ever. It’s generally just really thoughtful stuff.
If I had to rank non-RR sports bloggers, though, it would be:
-Spencer/Orson
-Carson Cistulli
-Jon Bois
-Brian from MGoBlog
-Run Home Jack
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Grant Bisbee should be up there, of course.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Grant Brisbee is great
but he’s not nearly as informative/insightful as some of the other guys you listed. He’s just wickedly funny.
Brian isn’t super funny, but he has his moments, and I’ve learned more from his writing in the past year than I ever knew before, both about football and basketball.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
was Ken Pomeroy picked up by a big-name person yet?
He is the only person that made me appreciate basketball.
Looking back on my list, though, I left off Brian Phillips of Run of Play (“The Wonder and Terror of Soccer” may be my favorite blog description ever), BYCTOM, and The GULag. All of those I read for their prose, not for their understanding of the game.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitchers & Poets has some damn fine writing
I don’t link them often but I frequently visit. They’re doing a book club for The Art of Fielding now.
I just started reading P&P
recently. Some of the stuff there blows me away.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Sep 26, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
anything in particular to recommend?
I could never get into that site, I remember showing up during their First Baseman Week and giving it a big “meh”.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The 90's 1B week was overkill.
This piece was one of my favorites.
The piece on McCann on the front page was a good read as well.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh My God.
That was great, thanks.
And I’m somewhat convinced I may need to move to Silver Lake.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Sullivan should also get a mention
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
The problem with that would be when someone got upset and went through another user's comment history and downvoted everything they've said
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Someone would be that bored, pathetic, and petty? On RR?
Surely you jest.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd love to hear his opinion on porn sites.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
As I understand it, there are a lot of fun suckers
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 26, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
this is a good point.
How do you expect to get feedback if you don’t allow feedback?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
i never fail to understand why people dislike fun
#funsuckers shall never be #partypeople
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't tell you how much fun has been sucked out of coming to Red Reporter for me by party people
Also, sentence structure!
by Brendanukkah on Sep 26, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Sentence Structure rocks!
I saw them open for the Black Arctic Monkeys a few years ago.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I know you're going to enjoy getting a rise out of me a lot more than I enjoy getting a rise out of you
but your consistent trashing of everyone who is at all different from you in race, creed, or taste and inability to take anything any which way but personally to the point of going on twitter threatening the people who have a different concept of how to build a winning baseball team has been enough to make me consider leaving this site for good at least a handful of times this summer.
I really enjoy talking to the people here, using this place as a way to test out different writing styles, and the like. But if I have to deal with baseless sniping every time I want to talk about finding a post-Rolen third baseman, it’s really not worth my time or yours.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Here's the thing about your post
I’m pretty convinced OBWOK would love it if all but a few people left RR forever, and I’m not entirely sure that he isn’t actively trying to drive them away.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I just wish I could make like Brendanukkah
Unfortunately, the law school.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
new plan
we should go through red reporter and rec everything we post.
we’ve got enough accounts to green every one of our comments!
we should do that
Than flag the same comments./
What would that do to the mod page? Is green or pink more dominant?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know you're not like this in real life.
Why do you feel like you have to be like this on the internet?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I have not been around much lately.
Has there been sufficient bitching about the season ending on a weekday day game? Because that sucks.
by the finest muffins on Sep 26, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions
i keep thinking the schedule is messed up ....
… and yes, it does suck.
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
it does
I guess it would make sense if the Reds or Mets were playing on Friday. Getaway day for the playoffs. But they’re not, so it just sucks.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
the play in game between Col and SD a couple of years ago was amazing ...
if the new playoff can generate that kind of excitement, then let’s do it!
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
yeah i've pretty much clinched the prediction crown, and yeah 2nd place is up for grabs. but more importantly,
Andromache got her 1st prediction point on the last home game of the year!
Game 154: Astros 3-2 Ram27
Game 155: Reds 6-4 ManBearPig
Game 156: Reds 2-0 andromache
Game 157: Pirates 4-3 Don
Game 158: Pirates 4-3 crofler
Game 159: Reds 5-4 Kcgard2 (2)
19 Joshuar9476
16 Crolfer
15 Ram27
15 Don
10 pack_fan
10 ManBearPig
9 MatthewH
8 DTFH91
8 kcgard2
7 Vottomatic
7 Ewok / obc2
6 Ritalin
6 chesirecat
6 Heeringa
5 TheC
4 RoastBeefKazenzakis
4 Coviner
4 jch24
4 DocRam
3 Charlie Scrabbles
3 Sexsalad
3 Yossarian22
3 OkieChase
3 KSE
3 mdccclxix
3 Badenjr
3 BomerHailey
3 Jack Armstrong
2 Wishfuldrifter
2 Grahamophone
2 Madville
2 the finest muffins
2 BiggerRedMachines
1 JSL413
1 3 Fast 3 Furious
1 than
1 ThePensive
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1 BigStein
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1 KD1
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1 Danny Graves
1 Corky’s Stache
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1 DevilsAdvocate
1 andromache
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
Moneyball
I’m not sure Moneyball really has anything to offer, at least as Daugherty suggests.
I suspect Verducci is right – it really isn’t possible for a small market team to compete, at least not every year.
If it is possible for a small market team to compete based on superior information, then the information in Moneyball isn’t it. The book is eight years old now. Its “insights” are no longer market inefficiencies. IOW, the information isn’t timeless. If “small-money teams can beat big-money teams with smart thinking, especially as it applies to hitting.” then they have to stay one step ahead of the big money teams, and Moneyball no longer is.
So what’s the new market inefficiency? Defense? Journeyman players? Maybe it’s being willing to trade your prospects. I suspect Verducci’s right: prospects are overvalued now. If the Yankees really lost out on Cliff Lee because they wouldn’t include Eduardo Nunez in the deal…good gravy. That’s ridiculous.
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Pitch F/X, and the soon-to-be-here digital defensive matrix
The first teams that get to that info will rise to the top for a year or two. Sample Size and age regression are things I think we are already seeing on a contract level.
I have often wondered what would happen if one team decided to hire an army of cooks in an effort to feed every ballplayer in the organization from rookie ball on up a healthy, balanced, largely organic diet. with perhaps daily yoga sessions.
I know it’s a huge amount of money, but what if one organization did it for 10 years and reaped huge benefits on the field, and off through saving on medical costs, and selling a surplus of healthy players.
by Eastwindquinn on Sep 26, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
agree on nutrition
If it’s true that teams feed their minor leaguers ham sandwiches, peanut butter and jelly on white bread, etc., there might be a big benefit from, say, The Zone.
I’m not sure about age regression. The charts say don’t sign a middle infielder past his age 32 year. The big market Yankees did (with Jeter), and I have a feeling the small-marker Reds will as well (with BP).
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Jim Thome disagrees;
The key to hitting 600 HR in the majors is lots of cheeseburgers and fries, preferably with no organic or health-conscious ingredients. That or steroids, but I’m convinced it’s cheeseburgers and fries.
"We don't worry about the pennant much, we just like to see the boys hit it deep."
by beasleymachine on Sep 26, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
cuz no matter how much salt you put on 'em
those ’roids still tastes awful.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Dusty Baker's tenure next year, over/under of 60 games. What do you take?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I dunno man
I’ve never really bought into the Dusty/Walt feud angle but if there is one, Walt’s extension shows which side Big Bob’s on. If the Reds start slowly Dusty might get the axe.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
big bob needs to deliver championship baseball
he needs to flip some players, not just GMs/dusty.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I take the over with hope
Because if it is the under that means we’re in for another long, frustrating season.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
or a 2003 Marlins redux!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Over.
I say we come storming out of the gate and then hit the breaks with a tenure-ending June swoon.
waaaaay over
Dusty gets an unfair bad rap by those who don’t understand the big picture.
The 2010 reds overperformed for a reason.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
...and that reason is Joey Votto.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Joey Votto for player/manager?
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Sep 26, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I know this comment was in jest
but if any player should be platoon player/manager, if should be Rolen.
it was ... and on that note
does anyone think there will ever be another player/manager in MLB?
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Sep 26, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Eventually, sure.
There will always be badly run teams looking to put fans in the seats. This idea is bound to come around again.
Not for a long time
I thought some team would do it during the Great Recession, but no club deems the couple million in savings to be worth the loss of face.
Pete really stuck a fork in that one.
by Eastwindquinn on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome luck?
career years for everyone? Rolen health? Where’s the Dusty magic with the 2011 version?
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
The Reds had a respectable pythagreon record until a few weeks ago
The problem was the Reds starting staff sucked to open the year, and that brought down the bullpen.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
If Dusty is the reason the Reds overperformed in 2010, what is the reason they underperformed in 2011?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
pitching
And an inordinate amount of hitter whiffs coupled with Soft J getting 300 ab of 500ops
The crack of the bat is the soul of the game. Reds hitters need more soul!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Whose decision was it to give Janish 300 AB though? And to not sit Bronson when he was obviouskly hurt/weak? Don't both of those fall on Dusty?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Are you seriously trying to have an honest, rational conversation with him?
Good luck, brah.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Sep 26, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I really think
it was Walt who was responsible for Janish getting as much playing time as he has. Walt chose Renteria specifically because he can’t play every day – so Dusty couldn’t play the veteran over the young guy, at least not every day. It was an attempt to Dusty-proof the roster.
Walt didn’t want to call up Cozart; Dusty forced it, by benching Janish (as much as he could – with Renteria, that meant Janish played one out of three games, and was pinch-hit for in the 7th or 8th). Dusty clearly loves Cozart. He admits the sample size is small and you can’t trust it, but says Cozart looks like a winner, more than anyone else who’s been called up.
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That's not true, or at least not what jch is talking about
He’s saying Renteria should’ve gotten a lot more PAs from the start, and all role-playing silliness aside, I kind of agree.
I also think Cozart should’ve been on the roster in early May, but what can you do?
It feels so nice to be back to normal
bitch about it on the internet
that is what!
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was curious so I looked at Janish's splits
He actually hit .289 over March/April so you can’t complain a lot about him starting. However he hit .141 (!!!!) in the month of May.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
also
In early May, Cozart was batting about .225, so you can’t really blame Walt for not rushing him to Cincinnati.
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youre the last mod who believes in BA as a stat!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that's Walt's doing, though
He meant Janish to be the starter, and intentionally picked someone as backup who couldn’t play more than 1/3 of the time.
Dusty said that Renteria would start a couple of times a week, and that seemed reasonable. I honestly don’t think he can handle more than that. Janish eventually started 6 out of 7 days, but that was because he was doing well. When he was hitting .278, why not?
The turning point came when Janish sprained his ankle. He was never the same after that. Maybe it was a coincidence. Maybe it threw his timing off or something, but he was terrible after that. Worse, so was Renteria. I think being forced to start for a solid week and play the entire game each time was too much for him. He was awful for weeks after that.
As for Arroyo…again, I lay that on Walt’s door. He’s the one in charge of the roster. You cannot sit a starting pitcher unless you make a roster move. If Walt wanted Arroyo to sit, he could have DL’d him. That’s his decision, not Dusty’s.
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I was with you until the second-to-last sentence.
Players need to agree to be DL’d. I doubt Bronson would’ve agreed.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have to agree to be DL'd does he?
If Arroyo thought it was unreasonable he could file a grievance but surely he can’t block it.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I don't know the exact wording,
but I know that the player has some power, otherwise you could just phantom DL a pitcher the entire season, essentially not allowing him to play and killing his career.
It’s why Rule V picks almost always pick up an injury with long rehab assignments. Some phantom DLs are ok, but the player has to be onboard.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
but it has be a phantom DL
If the player actually is sick or injured, they don’t have a case. And Bronson was.
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I just feel like the player has to have some pre-hoc refusal.
otherwise it just seems like a great opportunity to get rid of roster chaff with no reprecussions.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
So in this case it would all come down to if his blood would still test positive for Mono. certainly through June...
by Eastwindquinn on Sep 26, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And that involuntary leg spasm
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 26, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine that every time he does that leg kick
he says to himself “guitar!” like Steven Tyler does before the guitar solo in “What It Takes”.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 26, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Most people have no idea
that rock bands require conductors.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 26, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially Train
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
by DTFH91 on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
but it isn't
You still pay a player on the DL his full salary. Just as you would if you released him.
The only real advantage is if a team wants to keep the player, but not use him. That’s not a common situation.
Can you recall any time recently that a player filed a grievance about being DL’d? I can’t.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
because a player can just refuse to be DL'd!
/circular reasoning’d
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true
The league overruled the Reds decision, and if I remember correctly Pendleton wanted to avoid the D.L. because he was just a bit short of reaching contract incentives.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, that's an interesting situation
But…it does suggest that the player does not have to be consulted. If he did, Pendleton wouldn’t have been DL’d, and would not have had to threaten to file a grievance.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
yeah, that seems to lend support to your understanding of the situation.
But still, then couldn’t you send someone down to bring up a spot starter, and then say “Oh, it was a hilarious DL misunderstanding!” and bring him up 2 days later? Or is that just not worth the bad blood it would create?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It was Jim Bowden
do you think he gave a shit about bad blood?
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly.
Trusting GMs to act like humans seems foolish indeed.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't the Reds who made the decision
The NL office overrode the Reds decision and un-did the transaction. The team can’t do that on their own.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
ah hah.
Gotcha. So I guess your take > my take.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Resonable people are the fucking worst
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
they're better than reasonable people!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Sep 26, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
players do NOT need to agree to be DL'd
If they think the team is making up an injury to get them off the roster without releasing them, they can grieve it with the union, but that would have been a tough argument for Bronson to make, since he was actually sick/injured.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I know we've discussed this before and agree,
but it is things like the Cozart move that make me start to doubt my Dusty doubt. A lot of the problems arose from Dusty’s lineup card, but at least as many problems arose because he didn’t have the right choices for that lineup card. Cozart, Alonso, perhaps Frazier could all have shown up a lot earlier. A trade or two would have been nice, especially the obvious Ramon trade. Volquez got many chances to figure it out before he was sent down.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 26, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
under
during the off season he goes on a fishing trip deep into the Bermuda Triange and is never heard from again
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
by joshuar9476 on Sep 26, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
he finishes the entire season
And I’m covering all bets to the contrary.
Even money, step right up!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 26, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't even make a guess
if they are battling for first place in June he will be fine.
If they are 10 games out in June he will probably take the fall.
I don’t really know what to expect of this team in 2012.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder
if Dusty’s regretting asking for just a two-year deal. They would have given him more if he asked.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
if they come out of the gate fine, and struggle in late summer, he will probably hold his job for the year
but if they miss the playoffs by a wide margin I think he may be gone.
But I also don’t think Dusty and Walt ever really felt the heat that Narron and Krivksy did. I think Bob trusts both men.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, I wonder what his goals are in the medium-term.
He’ll always be able to find a job; even when he wasn’t a manager he worked for ESPN. If he wants the thrill of competition he’s in a great spot with a team that will be competing. He’s getting old, though, and maybe he just wants to hang out and watch Darren go through high school.
He still has his options open and he’ll probably leave Cincinnati held in high regard. So yeah, I think he’s fine.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think going to the playoffs last year helped Dusty a lot
I think if he managed the Reds for 3 straight losing seasons, after the Chicago fiasco, last year may have been his last time managing an MLB team.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
His next gig is someones front office.
by Eastwindquinn on Sep 26, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if he moves up to the front office in Cincinnati in 2013
That may have been his unsaid reason for a 2 year deal, he isn’t that young (although he is hardly Jack McKeon either), and he may not know if he is up to the riggers of managing in 2013.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Sep 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Please, Yossi.
It’s the 21st century. Call them regroes.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
This site needs more spit-takes
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 26, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
To contrast the usual swallow-takes, I assume.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 26, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Over
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Sep 26, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This makes up for St. Louis possibly making the playoffs
Manager Tony La Russa said he got accidentally punched in the jaw during the ensuing celebration. He said it was sore, but didn’t seem to mind. “I’d need to have to settle down and replay the inning because I’m not sure exactly what happened,” La Russa said. “Guys were excited, (stuff) flying all over that dugout. Right, left, elbows, high fives, low 10s.”
Accidentally, right.
by ken on Sep 26, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Arthur Rhodes never forgives, never forgets.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Reports suggested that Cueto was seen around Busch Stadium earlier that evening.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 26, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
somewhere, this offseason,
Cueto and Colby Rasmus are going to get a drink together and have a lot of fun making fun of the Cardinals.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
meanwhile, the Cardinals are competing for a playoff spot.
:-(
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Sep 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Later, this offseason,
Joey Votto and Corey Patterson will get a drink together because they are good friends, and some Red Reporters sitting elsewhere in the bar will cry.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 26, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, other RRs cry while fapping to Joey Votto?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
They get the Astros for the last three, while the Braves get the Phils
Life isn’t fair sometimes
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
I still believe the Braves will win the wild card
The Phillies are far more concerned with resting guys and setting up their rotation than beating the Braves.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Conversely
The Astros are far more concerned with the new season of Cake Boss than beating the Cards.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just tell Carlos Lee there's a turkey leg in it for him for every home run he hits over the next three games
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
dang
I’m tempted to watch the game (or at least the end of it) to try and spot the guilty party.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Over/under 750 OPS
I took the under with minimum 70 PA’s.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 26, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That homer out of the stadium has to be worth 200 OPS points, right?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
In other news, careful GIS'ing Juan Francisco with safesearch off
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I noticed that earlier this year as well...
#HipsterBoobies
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Sep 26, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No complaining here, just thought I would be nice and give a PSA :)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You weren't kidding
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
I bet if they would just tell him "never, EVER, swing 3-2", his walks would come up quite a bit.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
Let's focus on what's most important...
like coming up with three words to describe some shitty rum, right?
Still not a candidate.
How's about:
“Shit! That’s shitty!”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 26, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
John Goodman's taint-tastic!
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 26, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Good as Nickelback!"
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 26, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Roethlisberger's Rapin' Juice
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
Shut up, you guys!
Rob Lowe is gonna raise a big stink with the Public Access people if he reads this!
Something about advertising rum on a Reds blog seems a little... Kubrickian?

by Brendanukkah on Sep 26, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
sup
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
word
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Sep 26, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
I know I sound like a complete idiot to you guys, but what does END stand for? Is it just a code for Francisco?
Please no one cuss me out:)
by cincyplayoffwin2012 on Sep 26, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions
Earnest, honestly asked questions do not get curses in response.
It’s the pretentious assholes who get cursed out.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 26, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck you, asshole!™
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Sep 26, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do I always have to play the straight man?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Sep 26, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Because you don't have the range to play Monroe.

"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Sep 26, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs

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