Red Reposter laments "what if?"
by ken on Aug 8, 2011 10:10 AM EDT
in News
Email
Print- Sappelt up, Heisey down, Cozart still out
The Dave Sappelt show debuted in Chicago yesterday, starting in left and leading off. He went one for five, scored a run, and made a nifty running catch near the line to rob Geovany Soto of extra bases. Sappelt takes the place of Chris Heisey, who's now on the DL with a strained oblique - the same injury that sidelined the 24 year-old Sappelt earlier this year. Even with the injury he slashed .313/.377/.458 in Louisville. In a lost season, it's nice to see an obviously deserving young player get the call: "I just couldn't stop smiling. I was ordering food, a hamburger and fries, when I found out. I think I ate about two fries. It's a moment I'll always remember." Dusty was impressed with Sappelt and Todd Frazier, who homered and drove in the tying run yesterday: "That's why they're here. They ain't here to paint. They're here to play ball." Paint ... ball ... hey, I just got an idea! - Meanwhile, the news on Zack Cozart isn't good. The Wizard of Coz had to "shut it down" during BP this weekend following his elbow injury a couple of weeks ago. And speaking of BP, Brandon Phillips sat out yesterday with a sore ankle suffered on Saturday. Drew Stubbs nearly ran smack into Phillips on a shallow pop fly but dove to the ground at the last second, taking out BP's feet instead of knockin' into his noggin. Also, Alonso was held out of Sunday's lineup with a sore right ankle. He GIDP'd as a pinch hitter in the 8th.
- Daugherty - Time for Reds to wave white flag
I don't agree with everything in Doc's prognosis, but I can certainly get behind the overarching message - play the kids. But the interesting point in here concerns Dusty Baker's job security, which I have not seen questioned anywhere by the mainstream media: "They need to decide what to do with Dusty Baker. This might seem obvious. Baker has a year and about $3 million to go on a two-year extension. But he isn’t universally admired in the executive offices, and his season has mirrored the team’s.... He provided the proper, soft touch last year. He had lieutenants in the clubhouse do some of the heavy lifting. Two of those lieutenants – Arthur Rhodes and Orlando Cabrera – are gone." It's worth remembering that Baker was Krivsky's hire, not Walt's. - Whither Elpidio?
In the Reds' 2011 obituary, the lack of health and production at 3B will be noted at some point following the curses for Pythagorus. Around these parts we've raised the team's failure to find a proficient caddy for Scott Rolen last winter, but what if he had never been a Red in the first place? Sure, we might not have won the division crown in 2010, but that's yesterday's news. This year, Edwin Encarnacion has hit .277/.326/.446 while playing in baseball's toughest division. Of course, his bat never was the primary concern. I haven't seen him play at all since the trade, but E5 seems to have improved at the hot corner, at least according to Total Zone. But his fielding percentage has actually worsened, and since errors rather than range was always the issue, I'm not sure whether he's made any defensive advances. Sample size caveats apply, of course.
So what I'm driving at is, would the Reds be better in 2011 with Edwin instead of Rolen? What if the Reds had moved EdE to LF? - More "what if" - Yonder Alonso draft edition
Draft Studies 101 tells us that you always pick the best available talent and disregard position. But are there exceptions? The Reds didn't think so when they selected 1B Yonder Alonso with the seventh pick in the 2008 draft. But let's review the situation at the time: By June 2008, Joey Votto had played about half a year with the big league club and looked like the keeper he is, OPSing about .900. Defensively, Alonso was considered limited to 1B. (And while I admire the creativity, the idea of moving Alonso to 3B strains credulity.)
It's easy to play this game with perfect hindsight, but I wonder if the Reds should have gone another route with Votto under team control for the next five plus seasons at the time of the draft. Immediately after Alonso went, the White Sox drafted infielder Gordon Beckham. Later that round, the Brewers selected 3B Brett Lawrie and the Indians took 3B Lonnie Chisenhall. All three have reached the majors. The point here is not to criticize the Reds' talent evaluation, as there are obviously many other picks that round that will never be as good as Alonso. The point concerns drafting philosophy, specifically whether the conventional wisdom is correct without exception. The counterpoint is that you can always trade a player, but I think it's harder to realize fair value in trades then we care to admit.
- Phillies, Giants erupt for Friday Night Fights
There's video here of the brawl if you haven't seen it, but I'm linking it because Eli Whiteside's gray hair belies an immaturity that a contending team shouldn't tolerate behind the plate. But at this late hour, where could they find a seasoned receiver who swings a hot bat? One with playoff experience? Surely they would be willing to part with something of value as Arizona breathes down their neck. - Sam LeCure and the French Connection
Overseas Baseball Fan tries to uncover the mystery behind the nationality of LeCure's forefathers: There are two possibilities. First originally it was LaCure, which means the treatment. It is a feminine noun so it has the article "la" and not "le" which would be for a masculine noun (isn’t French a nice and easy language to learn???). Or it was LeCuré – the accent got lost in history- and the significance of it is: the priest. Since it’s your name, you can choose the one you prefer. Ooooh wait La Cure is also a river in France and a town in Switzerland… for what it’s worth. I kinda like "the priest" as an alternate nickname for Sudden Samwow, who is frequently summoned to the mound to administer last rites to helpless opposing hitters. - RL Nation gets some intel on the Nats prospects from the Gomes trade
As they point out, the primary objective of the trade was to clear a spot for Yonder Alonso. But LHP Chris Manno, a Duke grad who was closing for Washington's low-A affiliate, looks to have some upside: "Manno, on the other hand, has real potential to be a left-handed specialist out of the bullpen. He is still very young, and there is a world of difference between low single A and the big leagues, but any lefty with a few pitches, a great attitude and a track record of success is a welcome addition to the club." He also has a 14.8 K/9 ratio in his young minor league career. RL Nation talked to Manno's former pitching coach for this piece, who is none other than former Red Chris Michalak. - Vada Pinson - the historical "what if"
Linked at BBTF, Baseball: Past and Present asks what era would have been most ideal for Vada Pinson, the Reds' CF for most of the 1960s. Its answer is the 1970s and 1980s, which rewarded speed and wasn't the offensive Death Valley of the mid to late 1960s. But for a guy that slowed down considerably in his late twenties, maybe playing on Astroturf isn't such a great idea. So how about the present day? The LHB Pinson could smack 30 HRs a year in GABP, and his speed would make him the second SB threat that the current Reds could certainly use. Slot him in LF, and you'd have a dream outfield. The ultimate what-if.
153 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Yonder
It’s true they often say “draft the best talent available,” but is a guy on can only feasibly play 1B really the best talent available?
He was arguably the best hitter available
and there wasn’t a lot of highly athletic players in that draft. Gordon Beckham and Jemile Weeks are probably the only non-1B in the first round who might have been better picks, and that’s a very shaky might.
Follow on Twitter: @jluckhaupt. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!
I don't doubt that Yonder was a good--probably the best--choice
his plate patience is impressive and he can hit the ball hard. He should really try to trim up in the offseason and work hard on fielding practice. Votto was dreadful as a fielder too, even at first apparently, until he put in considerable effort
who thought danny espinosa was this good?
Follow me on Twitter: @DTD_Clayton | Editor for Down the Drive
I don't think there's much argument that Yonder was the best hitter available
But factoring in defense and positional adjustment, Beckham and Weeks were probably close. I don’t remember what was said about Lawrie back then, but he must have been well-regarded to go at no. 17. Chisenhall had some makeup/character issues which pushed him down to the bottom of the round but was considered good enough to stick at 3B with a strong bat.
If the Reds thought any of those guys were close to Alonso in total value, they would have been better picks, IMO. This was one of those rare situations where you should account for a draftee’s position.
Hopefully they start allowing teams to trade draft picks with the new CBA. This would’ve been an ideal time for the Reds to trade down and get two lower picks in return for the no. 7.
I thought then
that Beckham might’ve been a better pick. Even if he couldn’t stick at SS, which it was pretty obvious he wouldn’t, he would’ve been very valuable to this team as either a 2B or SS moving forward.
Of course, Beckham has been pretty craptastic so far, so who knows.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Many a Reds fan wanted Beckham over Alonso
in great part because Beckham figured to be the solution at shortstop. Scouts, however, seriously questioned whether Beckham could stick at shortstop. The scouts appear correct. Weeks was regarded as an offensive-minded second baseman and he’s pretty much lived up to that.
Lawrie’s hitting potential was regarded as tremendous, but his defense was quite poor and scouts indicated that he was indifferent to improving with the glove. That meant his bat would have to carry him and it just might. Chisenhall came with serious makeup concerns, having pleaded guilty to grand larceny and burglary, and was kicked off the South Carolina baseball team.
Justin Smoak was the other big first base bat in that draft, with Brett Wallace, Ike Davis and a few others a peg or two behind. Alonso was regarded as a better all-around hitter than Smoak and that opinion still prevails. Aaron Crow was the best available arm, but was floating a $4 million price tag. The Nats took him, but didn’t sign him. Casey Kelly is the son of Reds scout, but came with a $3 million price tag and the uncertainty of whether he would hit, pitch or play quarterback at Tennnessee.
I was pushing for Alonso on draft day and remain comfortable with the selection. The guy is going to hit, whether at first base or in left field, in Cincinnati or somewhere else.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Aug 8, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The nice thing about a guy like Beckham is positional mobility
A la Pokey Reese moving to second because of Larkin. With Yonder already on the wrong end of the defensive spectrum, there’s no place for him to go unless he can make it work in LF (and is given the chance to do so). But I agree about Alonso – he can make it on his bat alone. But I think it will probably be somewhere else. Hopefully we get a good return.
I wonder if at the time the Reds thought
they might already have a Beckham-type player in Todd Frazier? Frazier didn’t have quite the shortstop skills as Beckham, although he played the position at Rutgers. Just about everyone pegged him as a second baseman or third baseman. It would have been interesting to have sat in the Reds draft room and listened in.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Aug 8, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I followed Lawrie. I don’t consider Kevin Goldstein or Keith Law to be scouts. Every other report i read called him good or average or something like that. The “indifferent” grew out of wannabes like the guy at Project Prospect who didn’t like his body language while watching him practice for 15 minutes.
I’d guess that there is an underlying story with his relationship with the management. He’d spend 3 years in AAA if he was still with them.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
The kid can hit.
Some graded him as having 70 power on the 20-80 scale and he proved himself as a high schooler against older competition, including some excellent pitching prospects in extended spring training games during his team’s southern trip.
More than just Goldstein and Law, though, panned his defense. What position he would play was a concern. Some had him athletic enough for third, others were dead set on left field, while others saw him as a catcher. One scout compared him favorably to Dan Uggla, which would be plenty good enough to be a top-10 pick, something he might have been had he been a Southern California kid rather than a Canadian.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Aug 8, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember thinking
…that drafting Alonzo was the end of Dunn in Cinci. The amateur/minor league experts said Alonzo’s bat was as close to ML ready as any in the draft but his glove only played at 1B and maybe LF. With Votto young and really good (he was in the middle season he finished 2nd for ROY), there just wasn’t anywhere else for Alonzo to play.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
time to send Votto to Tor
For Ricky Romero, Yunel Escobar, and a solid prospect. Yonder to 1st, Frazier/Rolen timeshare at 3rd with Frazier getting a bit in LF, Sappelt starter in LF and leading off, and shop Heisey for a LH upgrade over Lewis for the bench bat.
*Note: this post aided by my Magic 8 ball.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 8, 2011 10:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think the Blue jays would give us all of that for Votto
but I like the tenor of this trade, even if I hate the idea of trading Joey.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I think moving Yonder to 3B
is still worth a shot. At least Coz and Janish might be able to pick up some slack for him there. Out in left, Yonder is a serious liability
I really believe that trading Votto is the way to go
get a nice return that can help now.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
You're just baiting the poodle
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 8, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
he seems to be!
but I am slowly coming to grips with the reality that we won’t be able to keep Votto. Not sure when he’ll go, but I don’t see us extending him. Trading would make sense in that we could actually get a high return for him, but as I said yesterday it’s a big gamble.
oh, that's not what I pictured
I was envisioning a shark feeding frenzy with a poodle as chum.
A Ongreed the Deserving
-coviner's lawful neutral Paladin / Debutante character
I don't think this is the year to trade Votto
I’m fairly certain he won’t be a Red following 2013. I say we hang on to him for 2012, at least.
If you trade him this year
he looks much cheaper. His $ go up significantly in 2013, iirc
A Ongreed the Deserving
-coviner's lawful neutral Paladin / Debutante character
I know I'm late to the party here
But with Berkman, Cuddyer, Fielder, and Pujols as free agents in 2012, wouldn’t the off season be an awful time to trade Votto? Wouldn’t his value be diminished by all the options out there?
by Chester Drawers on Aug 8, 2011 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would say so.
I think you will see the Reds keep him and if they bomb next year, he could be deadline trade bait.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
Let's trade everybody to the Blue Jays
that should soften up the AL East and make the World Series more winnable.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 8, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
That scrum is pretty funny
I’m surprised there aren’t more. The suspensions are a complete joke. Maybe free agency and players moving around more diminishes it. Essentially requiring managers and players to lie about it makes sense from a PR perspective but I hate it.
I still say have a 2 week suspension for the 2nd guy in. Victorino and that pitcher should get about 15 seconds, then end it.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
Whiteside was pretty animated
He’s basically looking for a fight, and then comically tries to tackle Polanco. It was one of those “tackles” that would’ve whistled the play dead in football but didn’t really bring the guy down. And then you have Victorino trying to get back at the pitcher after being restrained and bowling into a bunch of guys. It was a funny brawl, not the kind where you’re not really worried about anyone getting hurt. The best kind!
Okay, who's doing the eyewitness report for the Wiffle ball tournament?
I was looking forward to a recap of Red Reporter’s valiant efforts.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
It was a massacre.
We were 0-5 and outscored by a total of 51-1. A solo shot from ‘tHan was our only run. I think we got no hit in 3 of the 5 games. Our defense was the biggest issue. It was fun though, even though I could barely walk yesterday and I’m still super sore today. Our xFlip was off the charts, however.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
i was miserable saturday evening
i couldn’t move my legs without them cramping.
the excitement over my chicago trip got me through yesterday without too many issues.
i’m a bit sorer today
If we were to trade Votto, what's the market?
San Fran, Dodgers (if/when they get new ownership), Texas, Toronto, ????
What do you think 2 years of Joey Votto is equal to?
And filed under the what-if category, what would the Giants given us for Votto/Hernandez on 7/31?
I think the only way you trade Votto is if another team comes to you with an idea, or you go to another team with an idea
a la the TOR Votto/Bautista swap.
I’m not sure it would be in the Reds best interest to “shop” him because I’m guessing the Reds will mostly get lowball offers.
But, since you asked, for 2 years of Votto, they would need to either get 3-4 top prospects, or another top end MLB player like Bautista. Honestly, this team is close enough to being consistently competitive that I don’t really want to trade him for prospects, but the Bautista swap makes a lot of sense.
We’d be downgrading 1B a bit (although I think Yonder could probably OPS mid to upper .800s, but we’d be upgrading LF by about 4-5 wins. Then, when Rolen is gone, they could choose whether to have Bautista play 3B or LF, depending on what prospects we have. It just makes a lot of sense to me.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Did the Bautista idea come from Fay?
It would definitely be a risk for the Reds, but it makes an awful lot of sense for both teams. When was the last time two MVP caliber players were traded for each other?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
There was nothing MVP calibre about either of them when they were traded.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
It did, yes
And there is probably zero truth to it. But it does make a lot of sense.
And I don’t want to see Votto go, and if I thought there was any way they could sign him to a long term deal, I’d be all for that. But I think he is 100% gone after 2013, and if they just let him play this deal out and then walk after that, it’ll be a major front office failure.
I love that Bautista is signed for so long. Get him into the mix, combined with Bruce, Stubbs, Alonso, Cozart, Frazier, Mesoraco, Cueto, Leake, Chapman, and maybe Sappelt, and that is a really nice core that is under team control for the next 4 years or so. That team could do some major damage.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
What makes everyone so certain that Votto will leave via Free Agency?
I would say that the odds are he will, but everyone treats it as it is a foregone conclusion.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
If he even gave up one year of free agency in his extension, I would believe he wants to stay in Cincinnati.
But I think a 3 year extension with 3 years left before free agency is pretty telling.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
A 3 year extension that probably paid him exactly what he would've gotten year to year
In other words, he gave the Reds zero discount for giving him security. The Reds took all of the risk and got zero payback.
That tells me that, at the least, he wants every penny he can get, and the Reds aren’t going to be able to give it to him. It’s not that he doesn’t want to be here, but he isn’t going to give a discount to stay.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
yeah I don't blame him for wanting to make bank
and he should make as much as he can, but that also means that we probably can’t keep him.
it will all be of no value when the Dollar turns into the paseo in 3 years.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
I still say there's a possibility what Votto said at the time is exactly what he meant.
That he wasn’t ready to make a long-term commitment to anything— not because of the money but because he had no idea where he wanted to be or who he would be in 5, 6, 7 years.
It’s certainly possible that he was bullshitting, but I’m with -ManBearPig. I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion he’s gone after his contract’s up. Especially if this team is good again in 2012 or 2013. I am firmly in the “don’t trade Votto” camp.
by the finest muffins on Aug 8, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
even if we could keep him for sure
trading him could still be a positive. What if he can net the Reds the third baseman/left fielder/pitcher they need? THey have a solid replacement at 1B in Alonso. Also the money they would owe Votto could be freed up depending on who they trade him for.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
This is all reasonable.
I’m still against it. In part because I think the general public would be absolutely outraged and see it (especially if it happens after THIS season) as ownership/management giving up on the team.
by the finest muffins on Aug 8, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends who they get for him.
Lets say, just for shits and giggles, they send him to L.A. and get Kershaw in return. Then I think most fans would see it as both teams trading from strength, to fix weakness.
If the trade him and get 4 top 10 prospects, than yeah, it could easily be viewed as folding the tent.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
I don't think we should doubt what he said either
I don’t think his contract means his game plan is to bail on Cincinnati and get filthy rich in the Bronx. It just means he wants to reassess his career trajectory after 3 years
Alomar for McGriff?
Joe Carter and Tony Fernandez were also in that deal.
The Red Sox and Yankees seriously considered a Williams-DiMaggio trade once.
By the way,
since I’m sure everyone was desperately missing the FO this morning, I was traveling all weekend, so I didn’t get a chance to put it together. I’ll have a big one for you tomorrow. (TWSS)
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I was working, then went to see Rise of the Planet of the Apes (pretty good!) and snuck into Cowboys and Aliens (not so good!)
Hence, no recap.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 8, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a big Planet of the Apes fan
but it’s gotten such good reviews I think I want to check it out.
Also, I ran 4 miles this morning and listened to Drive By Truckers the entire time. Not great for running, but I really liked it! I had no idea they were so country.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
my buddy wanted to see it so we went with him and his wife
great film, my wife even enjoyed it. More of a morality/ethics sentimental show than the previews of apes going crazy/horror film vibe we went into it with.
Did you listen to any particular album?
Decoration Day is the absolute standout for me, and Southern Rock Opera would be second.
I hate every ape I see, from Chimpan-A to Chimpan-Z-you'll never make a monkey out of me!
It is interesting to see that so many people enjoyed it-I didn’t think I’d be interested, but I’m kind of intrigued after all of the good reviews.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Aug 8, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wary of Planet of the Apes
because of the CG primates (chimps, gorillas and the like should be real and wearing overalls), but it does sound intriguing
Why would you see Cowboys and Aliens?
It’s the same thing we get twice a week on Reds’ broadcasts:
by FordhamRam on Aug 8, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Here's what I don't get about the new Planet of the Apes
From the previews, it seems to me that the premise is that we’ve genetically engineered smarter monkeys and that these genetically engineered monkeys learn how to use weapons and out-smart us and that kinda stuff. But in the previews, we see them with spears and primitive shit like that. Even if they are super-intelligent, why don’t we just shoot them? And also, how many of these smart monkeys can their be? I mean, there are 7 billion of us. Even if they are smarter, we outnumber them so much that it shouldn’t be much of a fight. It seems impossible for them to be able to take over the whole planet.
And then the gorilla jumps into the helicopter and tears it apart. What’s up with that? Why don’t we just shoot them?
I guess I should just watch the movie, but the premise seems to have serious logic issues to me (aside from super-intelligent monkeys, natch). And I guess I don’t really want you to address the problems I’ve brought up here, because I’d like to see it for myself. But could you tell me whether or not these issues are addressed in a satisfactory way?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
that's racist!
Follow me on Twitter: @DTD_Clayton | Editor for Down the Drive
by BigStein on Aug 8, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the previews are way off the movie
it was a morality show and apes vs. humans was only the last half hour, and very brief
Even still
“Rise of the Planet of the Apes” leads me to believe this is going to be the story of how the apes took over the planet. And unless they are actually aliens that look like apes and their are billions of them and they have mastered a technology far more sophisticated than ours, I don’t think it’s possible for them to do so.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
if i vote for anyone in 2012 it will be her
i think she is what we need.
This isn’t even a joke.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
why so?
I really didn’t expect you to be on the Bachmann bandwagon. Is this becaus eyou want the government to collapse and instate some kind of anarchist or perhaps a syndicalist government instead?
nah
It’s always darkest before it gets even darker.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
The only thing keeping me from blowing my own brains out
is fear of failure.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good
That’s one for both sides. Now let’s talk about anything else instead.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You missed the fair
It was this past weekend.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
"fairtastic"?
Come see Ohio! Delightfully Average!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 8, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just looking at that logo
I have no doubt Sister Hazel or someone like that played.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 8, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Surprisingly, Ohio generally gets currently popular bands to play.
This year’s fair included Ke$ha, Trace Adkins, and Brad Paisley. I’m not saying they’re good, but they’re not exactly The Verve Pipe.
Then again, also performing this year were Meat Loaf, Seether, Foreigner, Journey, and Melissa Etheridge.
I would actually enjoy Seether, Foreigner and Journey
However, the world would be a better place if Trace Adkins, Brad Paisley, and everyone one else who plays country music would crawl into a hole and die.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Aug 8, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It is!
But it’s not actually country music.
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Aug 8, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I like your jurisprudence
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 8, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm flattered
and not even creeped out or anything.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The apes are smart because they take over San Francisco first
The peace and love crowd are not readily able to deal with militant apes. A few do get shot, but there also seem to be a whole lot more apes that get smart very quickly without explanation of where they came from. Ah well. You can suspend your disbelief like it was the Golden Gate Bridge.
The second thing is that the apes are actually not responsible for the downfall of humanity. The virus which makes the apes smart has an adverse (lethal) effect on humans. It makes its way into the general population, and then rapidly spreads around the globe, which the movie shows rather cleverly in its closing credits.
It’s a pretty great movie, though I had difficulty not reading it as an allegory for black equality. And in that sense, it doesn’t matter how smart, great, complex, and generally badass the apes are. You’re still representing African-Americans with monkeys who only get smart because of things bestowed to them by white men.
Yikes
I think I’m gonna have to see it then.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, why would super-intelligent monkeys decide that they wish violence and death upon humans?
Does Hollywood think intelligence and war go hand in hand or what?
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Is it just me
Or has Valaika been lighting it up the last couple weeks?
I think he could be key. If he could step up, that would save the team a lot of money.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Aug 8, 2011 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he has been
Homered again yesterday.
But he’s still only OPSing .610, and this is his third year in AAA.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Edgar Update
Halfway there and Edgar is OPSing a robust .803. This could go either way, methinks.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Oh, it's going to drop.
The only question is if it drops fast enough to get him below .730.
I have faith that it will.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
You sound just a little bit scared though
faith is not quite the same as confidence
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
So
Cueto wasn’t feeling well before his start. Dusty still let him pitch and didn’t shorten the leash on him? Why?
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
The Arroyos of tomorroyo
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 8, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Problably sick of losing.
Stools are where once upon a time you'd find a chair. A chair's for fools! Everybody wants stools!
by ClownPenis.Fart on Aug 8, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Are those Hot Tamales?
J’adore les bon bons!
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Aug 8, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
100% inefficace?
I don’t know much French, but that sounds like 100% *in*effective to me.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
It does indeed mean ineffective
that’s a strange guarantee to make, huh?
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Elpidio
I’ve seen quite a bit of him, since I see a lot of AL East games. He’s the same player he was when he was in Cincinnati. Good bat, if streaky. Makes some nice diving stops. Unfortunate tendency to throw the ball away.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, and it looks like Toronto is ready to go with Lawrie at third
and use EdE at 1B/DH only. I think he’ll stick around for several more years and maybe have a few very good offensive seasons, but he’ll never be as valuable as I thought because he can’t play third.
by ken on Aug 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
His bat has been hot for the last two months
Ever since they stopped playing him at 3B. I think getting those potential errors out of his head and having him DH has really helped him focus on hitting.
Were he still a Red he’d probably be the same guy he was before he left.
by Chester Drawers on Aug 8, 2011 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Playoff probabilities for the Reds range from less than one percent to 3 percent.
There’s nothing about the way this team is playing right now that makes me feel like they could beat those odds, but it sure would be fun! If nothing else, a white-hot streak over the next weak would help boost attendance for the remainder of the year (especially that last home-weekend series vs. the Brewers).
Reds currently have 1.6 million in attendance this year. Let’s project out attendance if the Reds mathematically eliminate themselves early.
Assuming average attendance of 20,000 for the next week: 140,000
3 game-weekend series vs. the Nat’s: 60,000
4 game-weekday series vs. the Phillies: 80,000
4 game-weekday series vs. the Cubs: 90,000
3 game-weekend series vs. the Brewers: 75,000
3 game-weekday series vs. Houston: 40,000
That puts the Reds right around the 2.1 million mark… 40,000 better than last year. I hope this doesn’t precede a massive drop in season ticket demand for next year.
Welcome DevilsAdvocate to the list. chesirecat and Ewok move up with 2 more pts each.
12 Crolfer
12 Joshuar9476
7 Vottomatic
6 Ritalin
6 Ram27
6 pack_fan
6 Ewok / obc2
5 TheC
5 MatthewH
5 Don
5 ManBearPig
5 chesirecat
4 DTFH91
4 kcgard2
4 RoastBeefKazenzakis
4 Coviner
4 Heeringa
3 jch24
3 Yossarian22
3 DocRam
3 OkieChase
3 KSE
3 mdccclxix
3 Badenjr
2 Wishfuldrifter
2 Grahamophone
2 Madville
2 Sexsalad
2 the finest muffins
2 BiggerRedMachines
2 Charlie Scrabbles
2 Jack Armstrong
1 JSL413
1 3 Fast 3 Furious
1 than
1 ThePensive
1 sociopath
1 BigStein
1 btcoop71
1 KD1
1 Kevin Mitchell
1 Danny Graves
1 Corky’s Stache
1 FSUBENGAL
1 DevilsAdvocate
i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.
I have two points?
When did I win? I’ve been playing my 11-0 ticket every night.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
my excell spreadsheet is on my linux boot and i'm in xp now ...
but looking at the calendar the reds won 11-2 over atlanta on 7/23 and 9-0 over the giants on 7/31 … possibly those two?
i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.
actually, it was game 108 v the Giants
but also game 6 v the Astros … you had the Astros picked to win
i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.
Tonight's lineup
BP is still out.
Fred Lewis 7
Edgar Renteria 6
Joey Votto 3
Jay Bruce 9
Todd Frazier 5
Drew Stubbs 8
Ramon Hernandez 2
Paul Janish 4
Homer Bailey 1
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
LEWIS!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 8, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lewis
Fred Lewis 7-for-9, .778 against Hammel.
I guess Dusty still wants to win.
FWIW, CMM is 9-for-17, .529 and Paul Janish is 3-for-6, .500
Meanwhile, Bruce is 0 for 3 and Joey just 1 for 9.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Lewis has made an out twice against him
And neither Alonso or Sappelt has yet!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 8, 2011 3:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would guess Alonso's still suffering the aftereffects of the sprinkler attack
(I can’t believe a sprinkler head could cause so much trouble. My parents have an automated sprinkler system in their lawn, and the sprinkler heads are flush with the ground. I can’t imagine tripping over them.)
I wonder is Sappelt is fully healthy. I’ll reserve judgment on Dusty’s lineup until we find out.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I could see tripping or even slipping on them with cleats on.
We had them on our football field, and from time to time you’d see someone step directly on one, and then lose their footing.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
Yeah, it's possible I guess
but I find it highly suspicious because in 20 years of baseball fanhood, this is the first time I’ve ever heard of it. And Alonso is so bad on his own…
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
It does seem pretty rare, but plausible
Mantle’s first major injury came when he got his cleats caught on a drainage cover in his first WS.
by ken on Aug 9, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Red Reporter
Related FanShots on Red Reporter
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
FanShots
Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.
Recent FanShots
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
- Security!: Camden Yards guard collides with Royals’ Mike Moustakas
- The Juice: Nelson Cruz matches career high eight RBIs, Pujols stays hot in Seattle
- Benches clear at Fenway as Red Sox-Rays rivalry heats up
- Keeping good company: Albert Pujols becomes fourth-youngest player to hit 450 home runs
