Reds pull a "2011 Reds," lose by one to the Cubs.
by Gray on Aug 5, 2011 7:41 PM EDT
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Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
There were no standout offensive performers tonight--sure, Ramon Hernandez hit a HR, but he was 1 for 5, and BP was 2 for 5 but both were singles. I guess Yonder Alonso went 2 for 4 with a double, but then he also allowed an inside-the-park HR, so....yeah.
I'm going to give co-JNMHSotG honors to the two relievers who actually recorded outs that didn't score runs: Logan Ondrusek and Aroldis Chapman.
Key Plays
- Did you notice that I mentioned an inside-the-park home run? Yeah, that apparently really happened. Tony Campana hit it, and Starlin Castro also scored on the play to make the score Cubs 2, Reds 0 after one inning.
- In the second, Tyler Colvin hit a more conventional HR. Cubs lead by three.
- Mike Leake then pitched four scoreless innings, though he allowed a ton of baserunners in there. In the meantime, the Reds got a couple back in the fourth. Yonder Alonso hit a two-out single, then Todd Frazier drew a walk to bring Leake to the plate. He blooped a single to score a run, then another scored on a wild pitch. Reds down by 1.
- Jose Arredondo relieved Leake in the seventh, and promptly loaded the bases on a walk, a double, and an IBB. He was pulled and Bill Bray gave up a sac fly to score one. Well, it could have been worse...
- Ondrusek relieved Bray and got a flyout and a groundout to end the threat. But still, Cubs lead 4-2.
- The Reds got one back on that Hernandez HR in the eighth.
- Paul Janish led off the Reds' ninth with a HBP, and after a Votto strikeout and a BP flyout, Jay Bruce singled. Hernandez grounded out to end the threat. Cubs win, 4-3.
Other Note
- The Reds are now 16-26 in one-run games.
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Kinda glad I missed this one
I had a meeting with H.R. Alledgedly, I said the F-word to a nurse at work.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Aug 5, 2011 8:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
clearly, you've been hanging out at RR too much
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Tell them swearing is an artifical social construct
I'm going to start my own Reds blog with blackjack and hookers, in fact forget the blog.
by justin007000 on Aug 5, 2011 11:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd like to hear
FSUBENGALS thoughts on the game.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
Got it DVR'd, I will be sure to chime in
by FSUBENGAL on Aug 5, 2011 9:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Yea, yea, how long am I stuck with this?
So I really didn’t think he did anything worse than Theriot did, over than the spittle. Do you think he got more time strictly because of the spittle or maybe because he was arguing balls and strikes? They both want ballistic and they both bumped the umps.
it was the spitting
If it comes down to the umpire’s word or his, they’re going believe the ump.
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So I went to the Louisville game for a bit
Sappelt hit a couple hard but they went to people. Juan Fran was 3-3 before I left. With a double and Homer. Meso had a shot right down the line. T Wood got rocked and was just really bad. High pitches. Felix Perez looks like he wants to kill someone, and has a really weird stance. Valaika sucks. Hermida had a nice shot in the gap.
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
I guess
That’s why Mike Costanzo is no longer on the roster. They must have either demoted him or released him to make room for END.
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I was wondering where he was
probably demoted. On another note, Phipps is a good hitter. Where the hell did he come from this year?
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
you're right, Costanzo was demoted
He’s a Carolina Mudcat now.
Phipps has been in the Reds organization since they signed him as an undrafted free agent in 2006. His defense is excellent. He doesn’t have Stubbs’ speed, but he has a cannon for an arm. He hasn’t appeared on the Reds’ top prospects lists, probably because his bat has been lackluster…until this year, when he started mashing.
You’ve probably noticed that he’s taken the center field job from Sappelt. I would guess the Reds want to see what they have in him, because if they want to keep him, they’ll have to put him on the 40-man roster.
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I have noticed
but yesterday Phipps was the DH so I didn’t get to see him play CF live. Sappelt had a couple of rangy plays out there.
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
I guess that's a lesson for us
They were buyers at the deadline…but it didn’t do them any good.
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Agreed, but...
They’ve been due for a downswing for a while.
As for us, I think most people would agree that our end results seem to be a monument to under-achievement based on the talent on this team and the propensity to score more runs than we give up.
I don’t know what the “right” move would have been, but it seems like some type of action would have a chance at shaking this team up a bit. Look at how the SS’s have performed since Cozart lit a fire under their behinds. I’m not 100% sure that there’s a direct cause and effect there, but it certainly didn’t make them play any worse! I’m not sure what would have happened had they sent Dusty packing after the mis-use of CoCo at the All-Star break or the sweep by the Mets, but I sure do wonder about it.
I’m not even necessarily laying all the blame at Dusty’s feet, but sometimes, in lieu of a clear and obvious course of action, you at least want to change course if you’re headed for an oncoming 18-wheeler! Maybe, you turn too fast or too slow, but at least you improve the chance that you aren’t crushed to pieces. And I think eating Dusty’s salary is a lot safer of a move than selling the farm for a rental.
by Nasty N8 on Aug 5, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
and I think we were all expecting a bit of a collapse given the difficulty of the teams they were facing on the road trip, but I’m surprised they got shelled by the Padres and Cubs. But of course with respect to the Cubs, we can’t point fingers either.
Blame the Reds Management for giving up this year
Jocketty gave up leading to the trade deadline. We are not going to see any improvement from this year. Players have probably also packed up. We have another 2 months of exposure to Baker’s mistakes and goofs. Best advice to fans, vote with your feet especially when management has quit on the team. Top 5 underperformers of the year: Volquez, Bruce, Arroyo, Masset and BAKER.
Absolutely agree on 4 of the 5 above...
But is Bruce really an underperformer?
Last year, (when the league had much more offensive production as a whole), Bruce was OPS’ing 846 and that’s with a very stron wrap-up of the season (which may be around the corner).
This year, Bruce is OPS’ing 830, which is still above-average for his position. And… he’s only 24.
And seriously...
You really want to tell the fans to “vote with their feet”????
This is an organization that is doing things the right way 95% of the time. Did they underperform this year? Yes, they have. But look just on the other side of the Banks project and you’ll see an organization where people SHOULD vote with their feet. It is truly DAY and NIGHT the difference between Bob Castellini and Paul Brown. At least the Reds are trying… they extended/locked up some of their key players for the forseeable future without really seeing enough people “vote with their feet” last year when the Reds won the division.
And… let’s say that the Reds were being cheap and stupid in their decisions on how to compete this year. The experience at a game and the value is extraordinary! In a time when 2 movie tickets, 2 pops, and 2 pop-corns will cost you $50 (and that’s if you’re not putting on the 3D glasses), the Reds offer you the ability to buy $5 seats and bring in all the pop, water, and food you want. On top of that, I think the atmosphere at Reds games is the perfect combination of appeal to families and also the weekend beer crowd. The most annoying people in the stadium are usually the opposing team’s fans. And probably somebody like you who can’t see the silver lining of this team… but hopefully, the people like you will have “voted with their feet” and I can enjoy what’s been, at times, a frustrating season, and, at other times, a heck of a lot of fun.
by Nasty N8 on Aug 5, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
Great post, deserves a rec
But I think you meant Mike Brown not Paul Brown because those difference between those 2 is night and day and they’re related.
I'm not sure I get why people are so down on Jocketty for not buying at the deadline
the team was not a good position to be buyers. Not trading Ramon made little sense to me, but other than that I’m pretty happy they stood pat. Most of the guys the were in on took more than I would have been willing to give up.
These heartbreaking losses are killing me.
I’m on the cusp of the worst three months of my year, and I’m now realizing how much the Reds’ inspiring and incredible season helped sustain me through them last year. Like everyone else, I’ve given up on the playoffs, but would a 2009-esque late-season spate of winning be too much to ask? Please. Starting tomorrow, if it’s not too much to ask.
by the finest muffins on Aug 5, 2011 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
That would be awfully nice...
But unless that means they get to the playoffs, I’m afraid that would make management complacent about the gaps this team has.
I’m quickly coming under the impression that it’s next year or it will be a while for this team. When BP leaves (or we overpay him for the twilight of his career), this team will be in trouble. It seems like to me we have no one in the organization ready to take over the reins at 2B for 2013. After that, Votto’s gone. I’m not trying to be a doom-and-gloomer… I just don’t see everything coming together. That said, Mesoraco, Grandal, Alonso, Cozart, or some other player might step up and exceed our wildest expectations like Votto. You just can’t forecast those kind of things…
Reds now 8.5 games back
Biggest comebacks in the last decade
Only worse position that was comeback from was Minnesota in ‘06… so, 1 team in the last 10 years. I think we’d have to perform even that 2009 end-of-the-year run to stand a chance at the playoffs. :(
it's not the 8.5 games that's so bad
It’s being in 4th place.
Though the way the Pirates are going, we could be in third place before long. They are 8 games back. Cards are 3 games back.
Looks like it’s becoming a two-team race.
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Tyler Colvin
is 4 for 11 against Mike Leake. All four hits are home runs.
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Moneyball is dead?
So sayeth Verducci.
Next month, as portrayed by Brad Pitt in the movie Moneyball, Beane will be coming to a theatre near you, but, for a fifth straight year, not to the playoffs, let alone even a winning record. The movie will come across as an historical piece, so far removed are the Athletics from any success and baseball from the era when Beane made up for a lack of resources with an edge in information that was chronicled in Michael Lewis’ book upon which the film is based.
“Is it a more challenging environment? Absolutely,” Beane said. “Ten years ago teams didn’t value young players, other than as chips or assets to get the players they needed. Now, even the large market teams with great resources, everybody values their young players. You have large market teams valuing young players exactly the same as Tampa Bay, Kansas City or any small market team.”
He argues that young players are overvalued now.
Jeff Baker, Mariners beat writer, thinks this is very bad news. He argues here, and in a follow-up, that this means only rich, big-market teams will be able to win. And that “perpetual contention” is a myth for small-market teams.
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Eh. People have been crying chicken little for small markets since at least the '60s.
Any team that drafts wisely will be able to compete, even if they don’t have the same window as New York or Boston. Though Minnesota has been contending for about a decade now. As long as you don’t play in the AL East you can compete no matter the market size.
by ken on Aug 6, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The Reds can do that
if they put asses in the seats. Winning for a decade will do exactly that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
After the last few days
I’ve changed my mind. Lewis isn’t hitting anymore, Yonder’s raking and for all practical purposes we’re out of the race. Stick him in LF against righties; he’s awful out there now but hopefully he can get better and be just Gomesian bad as a fielder.
And I’d fast track END to come up; we might as well see if everybody here is right and he’ll never be able to hit ML pitching (I tend to disagree).
Yes Yonder will be an adventure out there
but I completely agree, you put him out there and leave him there and let the mistakes happen. The catch at the wall today was, I thought, a pretty impressive catch for an outfielder with defensive issues. I say throw him to the wolves on defense and let him continue to rake in the lineup.
End ?? WHY??
Sappalt needs to be up before end, especially if heisey get dl’ed
by Morgan Mayham on Aug 6, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
We have OFs
We need to see what the answer will be for 3B if Rolen can’t stay healthy. A Frazier-END platoon would make sense. If Heisey goes on the DL, Lewis can back up Stubbs in CF and Frazier and Lewis can back up the corner OFers.
End is not the answer !!
Rolen to 60 day dl, shut him down for year, frazier gets the extended look. Heisey to dl, sappalt up, and added to 40 man, as well as mescorado to 40 man. If need to claer a spot when burton is rehabed, put valiquette on 60 man, why has’nt he been there all year. Has he even pitched?
by Morgan Mayham on Aug 6, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see
you’re one of the screamers, so it’s not worth arguing with you about it. END’s minor league numbers are better than Frazier’s though.
Blatantly untrue
unless perhaps you mean only this year.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
plus if you're worried about Yonders defense in left
I’m surprised you’re not more worried about Francisco’s, and at a far more premium position no less.
Francisco looked OK at 3B in the games I saw
Plus neither Cairo or Frazier have looked great at 3B.
AAA numbers:
Frazier: .262/.338/.457
END: .302/.336/.560
I haven't gotten enough of a look at Frazier to really say
he’s been bounced around so much I’m not really sure if he wouldn’t improve if he was set at the position. the 39 error season is still in the back of my mind concerning Francisco, and his fielding percentage (though a flawed stat) has always been and continues to be poor. I don’t doubt he’s better than Cairo, but that doesn’t really enter into this discussion.
I haven’t looked at Francisco’s numbers in awhile, I’d still like him to walk more, but I thought his K% was higher than it was, especially this season he’s actually striking out less. what jumps at me the most is his BABIP, which he has kept consistently high (around .331) during his AAA career. you could look at this two ways, one that even though he isn’t a speedster it is a skill he could carry to the majors or that when he reaches the majors if that drops to around the norm (a possibility with the better defenses/pitchers he’ll face) he’ll struggle to keep his batting average up.
FTR I am not as down on him as others, since there have been plenty of examples of successful major league players that swing at everything (though the pretense is that they make a lot of contact, which I’ve heard Francisco does) and I was saddened that he got injured when he did early in the year and missed a chance to get some time at third when Rolen went down for the first time. I am higher on him than most, but am still pretty skeptical overall, mostly of his defense. Also that if his K rate jumps with a move to the majors, that would be a problem.
What happened to Heisey?
I hadn’t heard anything about an injury to him until Marty alluded to it when he pinch ran yesterday.
by the finest muffins on Aug 6, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
He strained his oblique in batting practice Wednesday
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By next week at this time..
They will be at least 12 games back, and in 5th place tham… Come on Big Bob ( THOUGHT YA WERE’NT GONNA ACCEPT LOSING ANYMORE) ?? Fire baker and jocketty now!
Sounds like a good bet..
and reality with the way things are goin.. Aany one who can slip thru wavers needs to be gone yesterday.. and more kids from louisville up here. Including Sappalt,boxberger,gill,christini,mescorado,dorn,valakia,negron, and phipps.
I’d try to unliad arroyo to any team stupid enough to take on his contract and who needs pitching . Hello yankees or red sox. Try to unload cordero, hernandez,hermida,lewis, and anyone else not part of the futre. And maybe some of the dead weight they have.calos fisher, burton, and jordan smith..
I don't think Boxy's ready
He’s been pretty underwhelming in Louisville so far.
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Boxy, Dorn, Valaika, Negron, and Phipps really do not need to be up here
Sappelt would be fine if it didn’t require a 40-man spot, so no on him. I don’t know who Gill or Christini even are. If you mean Jerry Gil you are smoking. And if you mean Cingrani, again you are smoking even stronger stuff because he’s in rookie ball.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I think the Reds will keep Negron
But not on the 40-man. Might not remove him until after the season’s over, though. The Bats’ season, anyway.
He’s too useful now to lose. He plays just about every position, including SS and CF. Maybe not all that well, but the Bats have to field a lineup every day, and if we call up all those other guys, who’s going to play Louisville’s games?
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I was mostly being hyperbolic
but good points in that he provides the org with an emergency infielder and organizational depth.
Not yet
Worth a look-see along with ever one else and hell, bring up the whole louisville team, coud;nt be any worse, what are we trying to watch the astrose over tsake us in the standing lol
Question:
Does Wrigley Field have that Diamond Club buffet thing? Or do the Cubs suck too much to justify it?
Whatever.
With ever an eye on the 2012 draft,
as they are positioned today, the Reds would select 13th. Being top-15, that’s a protected pick. Not a great follow up to picking 27th this year, but at least Cincinnati would be positioned to grab a pretty good player.
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by Thundering Turtle on Aug 6, 2011 9:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hooray for silver linings!
We will probably improve just enough to grab the 16th pick instead.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
You don't lose it by signing a type-A free agent
someone correct me if I’m wrong
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Not dumb at all.
I should have explained it.
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by Thundering Turtle on Aug 6, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The lineup
Stubbs 8, Renteria 6, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Bruce 9, Cairo 5, Alonso 7, Hernandez 2, Cueto RHP
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I'd really rather SuperFLewis at this point
Also
Reds 1
1908s 2
Cueto pitches a complete game; Vottosmash in the 5th
Whatever.
It's worse that Cairo is playing over Frazier, IMO
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by kcgard2 on Aug 6, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yo-Zo in left?
I’m thoroughly impressed Dusty didn’t jerk him out after yesterday.
He may never find a position (or Dusty let him find one) but I have to admit I love watching him at the plate so far
he's pretty entertaining in left field as well
In a humorous kind of way.
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by BubbaFan on Aug 6, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Get out the old Victrola
Have “Yakety Sax” on standby
A Ongreed the Deserving
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yeesh, does it really take us two games to decide he shouldnt be playing in left?
its there or nowhere, so i say leave him the hell there the rest of the season and live with the bad defense.
+1
We didn’t seem to mind Gome’s -17 UZR in Left most of last year (by we i guess I mean, the Reds, I think we all noticed)
And I wouldn’t have any problem betting on Yonder being able to OPS 750 too.
yeah, I really want to get an extended look at him at the dish
if he can hit like he did in the minor leagues this year i’ll take his glove in LF. Also would up his trade value a few notches.
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