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Phillie Halladay's bat is swinging like strange fruit. Reds lose, 9-0.


Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game

Joey Votto.  The Man Who Would Be MVP Candidate at least had a solid night, going 2-3 with a double and reaching base a third time with a walk.  Everyone else pretty much sucked.  Honorable Mentions go to Dave Sappelt (pinch hit single) and Brandon Phillips (who got another hit out of the leadoff spot).

Key Plays

  • This was a painfully obvious mismatch between one of the game's best pitchers and one of the season's worst.  Bronson Arroyo did manage to hold the Phillies scoreless their first time through the lineup and look pretty good doing it, but they caught up to him in a big way the second time around.  Chase Utley drew a one out walk in the fourth inning, and then Ryan Howard hit a home run to right.  Phillies lead 2-0.
  • The third time through the lineup was even worse.  Hunter Pence hit a one out home run to center in the sixth inning, then Raul Ibanez and Carlos Ruiz followed with back to back singles to right.  Wilson Valdez hit a ball to third, but Miguel Cairo couldn't field it cleanly.  You can't assume the double play, but one of those would have been nice to end the inning.  Instead, the bases were loaded with one out.  But at least the pitcher was coming up.  And naturally, Roy Halladay hit a bases clearing double.  That was it for Arroyo, and Logan Ondrusek came in to close out the inning.  Phillies lead, 6-0.
  • Ondrusek did give up a single to Hunter Pence and a home run to Raul Ibanez in the seventh, though.  Phillies lead, 8-0.
  • The Reds loaded the bases with one out in the seventh, on the strength of a Joey Votto double, Jay Bruce getting hit by a pitch, and a Drew Stubbs walk, but pinch hitter Todd Frazier struck out, and Ryan Hanigan grounded into a force out.
  • And because if you've already given up three homers, why not four?  Ryan Howard hit his second dinger of the game off of Sam LeCure in the ninth.  Phillies win, 9-0.

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via www.fangraphs.com


Star-divide

Other Notes

  • Bronson Arroyo has surrendered 36 home runs, the most ever by a Cincinnati righthander.  He's four away from catching Eric Milton for the all-time team lead.
  • Roy Halladay struck out nine in the game, and at one point retired 17 batters in a row.
  • Brandon Phillips extended his hit streak to 13 games.
  • Halladay's RBI were his first this season, and gave him nine for his career.  Seven of those have come in bases loaded opportunities.  The guy is clutch!
  • Paul Janish flew out in his pinch hit appearance.  He's 0 for his last 23.

 


 

Final - 8.30.2011 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RHE
Philadelphia Phillies 0 0 0 2 0 4 2 0 1 9 11 0
Cincinnati Reds 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 1
WP: Roy Halladay (16 - 5)
LP: Bronson Arroyo (8 - 11)

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Depressing FanGraph is depressing.

Born Small... Now Huge... Winning... Bring it..!

by BomerHailey on Aug 31, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

The FanGraph is wrong

No way it should have started out at a 50/50 shot of winning.

by NYCCats on Aug 31, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sappelt

also had a very nice play on defense.

I’m thinking Arroyo is going to catch Milton this year, barring an unexpected trip to the DL.

Alas, poor Janish. Seems like that fly ball woulda fallen in if anyone else hit it. Or if anyone else was in the outfield.

Cards held on to beat the Brewers. I don’t think we’re catching them this week. Not with more games against Philly.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Aug 31, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

In an alternate universe, Janish might be qualified to play MLB.

Bloggers don't play nothing. They just it back and hold court and criticize.

by johnu1 on Aug 31, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, it's not his fault

It’s really the coaching. Better coaching, he’s be league-average at least.

by thevole on Aug 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think J would be the reds best qrank player

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Aug 31, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same alternate universe,

We get rid of the brain-dead coaches we have and actually get more than 4 hits a game.
Our relief pitchers actually recognize the catcher from the backstop.
In an alternate universe, we have some people who actually recognize this after 140 games.

Bloggers don't play nothing. They just it back and hold court and criticize.

by johnu1 on Aug 31, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the fuck kind of a defense is this of bad coaching?

Are you people all brainwashed?

Bloggers don't play nothing. They just it back and hold court and criticize.

by johnu1 on Aug 31, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

baby steps

you have to crawl before you can walk

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Aug 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If every team that lost a game to Roy Halladay fired their coaches

Then the GMs would be down to hiring the likes of you and me. No one would be left.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 31, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda had a similar thought last night

Jay Bruce struck out on a Halladay slider, and Jeff was going on and on about how Jay has to learn to not swing at balls.

Jeff is an asshole.

It will get better.

by Yossarian22 on Aug 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff seemed particularly cranky last night.

It’s probably because he was stuck working with Jim Day.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Aug 31, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am astonished at how obtuse you can be about this.

I suppose that’s predictable. It has been all season.
But not to worry. Bring up Mesoraco and put him in left field.
That ought to solve everything.

Bloggers don't play nothing. They just it back and hold court and criticize.

by johnu1 on Aug 31, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brendan, I held off posting on this for a month

Kept thinking, OK, let’s let it play out … stop whining and maybe just observe what has happened. A full month later, we are still playing the same way. This ain’t about Roy Halliday. This is about the other dozen .490 pitchers in the National League.

This team will not get better until they change the dugout staff. It’s that simple. There is enough talent on the Reds to win and we all know it.

Bloggers don't play nothing. They just it back and hold court and criticize.

by johnu1 on Aug 31, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why they won last year

And they were winning this year too…now they’re what 1 game under winning…so it’s close

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Aug 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

how many starts are left in the season? 6 or 7?

I think he can make it.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

to be clear

i am not advocating killing Arroyo and burying him, just his right arm.

In fact that even seems to be an over reaction.

It will get better.

by Yossarian22 on Aug 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

/Stonewall Jackson'd

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We have someone like that?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Aug 31, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have we established a trend with this?

I didn’t think so.

Bloggers don't play nothing. They just it back and hold court and criticize.

by johnu1 on Aug 31, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind that you're back at all

But I’m going to tell you right now – If you start baiting people about the pitching cach bullshit again trying to pick fights, I’m going to ban you. No questions asked.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Aug 31, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

just found it one day

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Aug 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

well done to the creator of this gif

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Aug 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Censorship!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Aug 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's also fun to watch you follow me around just to bitch about things I say or to insult me in some way

Oh wait, no it’s not.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Aug 31, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you must have a particularly good reason for being an asshole

But so long as it’s a good reason, then try to be the best asshole you can be.

Bloggers don't play nothing. They just it back and hold court and criticize.

by johnu1 on Aug 31, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

see ya dude, I'm done

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Aug 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

was looking for somebody who had a sensible opinion.

whatever works, dude.

Bloggers don't play nothing. They just it back and hold court and criticize.

by johnu1 on Aug 31, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

baseball-reference.com probably

What are you looking for? How many run’s he’s given up in his career?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Aug 31, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was strying to find career run support

how many runs his teams have scored behind him

by Red_Poodle on Aug 31, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

so far this year it's 4 runs per game

last year it was 4.77 runs/game

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Aug 31, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

2009 was 3.65/game

2008 was 5.22/game
2007 was 4.09/game
2006 4.64//game

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Aug 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

So over his carerr in Cincy so far

He gets almost 4.4 runs of support/game

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Aug 31, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

One more day til rosters expand

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Aug 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

END is coming to town

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Aug 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather see that

Omar’s coming

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Aug 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

fix'd

Will they have space on the bench Dusty have room in his locked closet for all those rookies?

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Aug 31, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sap pelt should sit, for sure

Frazier in lf and roar at the hot corner. Gonna be a fun final quarter season

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Aug 31, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'd rather see

1b. votto
2b. phillips
3b. END
ss. Frazier
c. Meso
lf. alonso
c. stubbs
rf. bruce

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Aug 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly thought August had 30 days.

I feel like an idiot now. And my calendar I drew up on my wall is all off.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too much time in Europe will do that

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Aug 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

in your face!

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Aug 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not familiar with that one.

I always recite “30 days, hath September, April June, and November”

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Aug 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

make a fist

start reciting the months while moving along your knuckles and the spaces between your knuckles. months on the knuckle have 31 days.

by vottomatic on Aug 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

you have to

hit the last knuckle twice when you’re coming back.

Or start from the first knuckle again at August.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Aug 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

me, too

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Aug 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Counter clockwise Swirl!!!

We need Brandon Larson to Play 3rd! Can't be worse than Rentawreck, right?!?

by BiggerRedMachines on Aug 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That works until the woman sees the crib sheet

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Aug 31, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

or click once on the clock in the system tray?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Aug 31, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

O I C

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Aug 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

My go to movie is to look at my desk phone

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Aug 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have a phone on your desk?

Well la ti da, Mr. Trump! I bet you even have your own business cards too, dontcha? “Look at me! I’m jch the important business man! Can you collate this spreadsheet for me?”

Ptooey. Cake eater.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i too thought that the entire day yesterday

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Aug 31, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Possible LF solution for next year

Brett Gardner NYY

He’s under team control through 2014, plays great defense (career UZR/150 of 31.6), gets on base at a decent clip (career OBP .354), bats LH, and can be the prototypical leadoff hitter this organization seems to covet.

Not sure what it would take to get him, but he’d be a great addition to the 2012 team. The optimum lineup next year could be:

Gardner
BP
Votto
Bruce
Meso/Hanny
Stubbs
Rolen/Frazier
Cozart
Pitcher

What would you give up to get him if you were Walt? Yonder? Grandal? A package of HiZ and Wood/Bailey?

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Aug 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it would take a lot

Leake is the starting point. I think. They don’t need a 1st baseman or DH for the time being.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are assuming the Yankees want to trade him

We had lots of discussions about Gardner last year too. I’d be shocked if the Yankees were at all interested in letting him go.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Aug 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think more than anything,

he’s a very good player and there isn’t a good replacement in house. I’m not saying they would never trade him, but it doesn’t make sense that they would, given that it would mean having to go out and find a replacement for him. It probably means they’d have to be “blown away” by an offer.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Aug 31, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

The Yankees have no interest in moving Gardner, in the same way the Red Sox aren’t trading Ellsbury. These guys are too good and too cheap and too valuable. It doesn’t make any sense for them.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They already have Montero, right?

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Aug 31, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

And while some people don’t think he can be a catcher, the Yankees do.

The Yankees love Gardner, like the Reds love Jay Bruce. But if the right offer came along, they’d do the deal. An ace starting pitcher would probably do it.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Aug 31, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Methinks LF is Frazier's to lose if Yonder can do decently enough at 3b,

But Joey Votto will be gone after next season. Big Bob does not have the bucks to keep him and Votto doesn’t have an abiding love for Cincinnati or so it seems. So 2012 could be a year of transition,,,but you never know Walt may trade Votto next season. It is too bad but there is no way that the Reds will be able to keep him.

Kevin Youkilis: If I were to go anywhere, I would want to go to Cincinnati .

by Madville on Aug 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

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