Farmers Only: A season full of milestones
by nycredsfan on Aug 30, 2011 8:01 AM EDT
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PrintNeftali Soto hit his 30th home run of the season for Carolina last night, marking the first time any Reds farmhand has reached that number since Adam Dunn hit 32 in 2001. Dunner was 21 when he did it, and Soto is only 22. What's even more scary is that Soto spent a fair bit of time on the DL and only has 400ish plate appearances on the season.
Soto's isn't the only statistical milestone being reached. Ryan LaMarre, the Forgotten Prospect, stole his 50th and 51st bases last night. He's no Billy Hamilton, but that's still impressive. LaMarre's power has been very disappointing, but his OBP on the season is .351, and he plays an excellent CF. Might be another future leadoff candidate.
Speaking of Billy Hamilton, he stole base number 95 last night, inching him ever closer to the quixotic goal of 100.
- Louisville got crushed 11-2. Daryl Thompson failed to make it out of the first inning, giving up 8 runs. Chris Heisey homered on rehab.
- Carolina won 8-3. Pedro Villareal threw 6 strong innings, giving up 2 runs (1 earned) while striking out 6. Soto had 2 singles to go with the home run, and his OPS on the year is now .907. Yasmani Grandal was 2-4 with a double and a walk.
- Bakersfield lost 7-6. Ryan LaMarre had 2 hits and the 2 SB. A bunch of other guys had 1 or 2 hits, but Mark Fleury's triple was the only extra base hit.
- Dayton lost 5-1. Billy Hamilton was 1-4 with the SB and Ronald Torreyes was 2-4 with his 11th SB. His line on the year is now .354/.400/.461.
- Billings was off.
- AZL Reds lost 5-4. Once again, not much good to say here.
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The Bats game was awful
Thompson was pitiful and the game was all but over after that 1st inning. Jose Castro did not help, as he booted a potential inning-ending double play and dropped a potential inning-ending line drive. Horst pitched well, but the most exciting thing to happen in the game was Beau Mills crushing a ball out onto Nationwide Boulevard. It was just foul though.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 30, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions
Over the Rooster's Party Deck?
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 30, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah, RF.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 30, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
It was probably only 425 or so
but that doesn’t sound as impressive as hitting it out onto the street.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 30, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
how did Heisey look?
That homer was his first hit since starting the rehab assignment.
The Clippers catcher, Paul Phillips, is Andyfan’s first cousin.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Heisey's homer was classic Hi-C
He pulled it hard and just cleared the LF wall.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 30, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I went to the Bats on Friday
that team is difficult to watch these days, especially when Mesoraco isn’t playing (the case on Friday). The pitching is bad, the hitting is mediocre, the fundamentals are bad. And when they’re playing the Pirates farm team, there are no prospects of even minor note to look at on either team. I left after the 5th inning. Too boring.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yeah
We left after the 6th. We had to stay to see the Sugardale hot dog race (it was won by ketchup) and the dice game they do where they throw oversized dice off of the Wendy’s Burger Balcony. It was good fun. The baseball wasn’t.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 30, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
that dice game doesn't sound nearly as fun as it could be.
They should have random fans play in the bullpen with whatever 40-man refugee is stuck in Louisville.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
He walked right up to me
probably three times. We bought peanuts instead. Fuck him.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 30, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Payback, hooker!
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 30, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Menace meet up with you?
We should all still try to get a game in at Bob’s or some place once the rosters are expanded.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he didn't meet us
He texted me from Private Dancer and told me he was a little busy.
Bob’s is a great idea. Maybe we can even coax FVA out of hiding.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 30, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, let's try to get something together.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 30, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The one highlight was END
he hit a HR that nearly left the stadium to right-center. I’d say about 440 feet. But since it was END, I didn’t really get excited.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Since you mentioned Soto's PA
I feel it is important to note that Adam Dunn only had 422 PA when he hit 32 HR. And then he came up to the big leagues and hit another 19 HR in 286 PA. That was an epic season. It’s a shame he hates baseball.
Oh, and Soto’s batting .284/.346/.650 since June 23 (selective endpoints!). He’s averaged a home run every 11 PA in that span.
Follow on Twitter: @jluckhaupt. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!
Really?
Or is this sarcasm. I can’t tell.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 30, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
if they could pick up dunn for cheap
i think it would be an excellent move to bring him back.
he’s not done (pun intended)
He would have to be really cheap for me to want him back.
There is something terribly wrong with his mechanics, or he is just getting that slow.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 30, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm not concerned
a change of scenery would probably do him some good.
i honestly don’t think he’s had his last 40 homerun season.
I don't care if the Reds got him for free
I would not want Adam Dunn back.
My major reason is I don’t think he is a baseball player. I think his only talent is that he can hit a ball far, on the few chances where he actually connects. At best, he hits home runs, through rarely when needed. He doesn’t bring defense, speed (in the outfield or on the bases), or leadership to the club. And I sure as hell wouldn’t want to sacrifice a roster spot to put him back on the club.
No, I say let the White Sox lay in the bed they made, sort of like the Jays did for several years of Vernon Wells and Alex Rios. There were (and are) so many warning signs that I think a GM that would seriously consider acquiring him should be on a hell of a short leash.
"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer
by rorschach1979 on Aug 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I time travel back to 2009 without realizing it?
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Aug 30, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It does seem like a silly return to this debate
And particularly now, with the production falling off a cliff (really, I need a different analogy – it’s worse than falling off a cliff; more like splattered in the street after falling from that tower in Dubai) – anyhow, how can anyone realistically want him back. It’s crazy talk.
"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer
by rorschach1979 on Aug 30, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It fascinates me to no end
that one player can be so polarizing. At least I know which side you’re on now.
Ptooey. We can’t be friends no more, hombre.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 30, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You could say
that Dunn is a Rorschach test of baseball fandom. Actually, Menace put it much better than I ever could.
In that thread
I made this comment. I had to have been drunk.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Good Lord
tonight’s broadcasters are the Cowboy & The Giraffe Killer.
that’s not going to be fun to listen to.
by 'tHan on Aug 30, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What's the O/U on Sean Casey impressions?
"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me
I was impressed by Jimmy D last time he was in the booth.
I hope he continues to impress.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But do you constantly remind people to fear the turtle?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I like the "Fear the Turtle" thing
it’s cheeky and endearing. This is a call for White America to defend itself.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Possible new mascot for the Maryland White Pride?
Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Aug 30, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't see a pic, and am confused
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
No Reposter today? Well poo.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Can we talk about how Edgar Renteria is a shitty ballplayer?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Sure, if you want to be wrong.
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by nycredsfan on Aug 30, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jeez
Impatient much? I’ve had a busy day.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 30, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too, buddy
Do you have any idea how tiring it is to keep handing ’creds his ass over and over again?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
So I don't know if i mentioned it on here or not, But i am getting married in St.Louis on October 1st.
There has been much debate on where to go for the honeymoon, many factors, time, money, and political solvency. this morning future Mrs. EWQ says how about Puerto Rico november 15th? i do a quicky search and find out the summer league starts 10/22. perfect baby, buy the ticketts, I am ready to go. I wonder if I will have time to plan the trip around seeing a reds prospect or two (I think there was only one or two reds farm hands in PR last year correct?)
you have mentioned it, and even MOAR congrats are in order
I think most Reds prospects play in the Dominican or Mexican leagues.
I don’t know much about the league, but Los Leones de Ponce is a great name for a team.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If (big if) Chapman plays winter ball to stretch out as a starter
My guess is he’d go to Puerto Rico
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what makes you say that he'd go to PR?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Because they speak Spanish there
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
no way Chappy plays winter ball, and if he did, it would be in DR.
by Eastwindquinn on Aug 30, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Most kids don't once they spend the vast majority of the season in the majors, am I wrong?
by Eastwindquinn on Aug 30, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
lots of Dominicans go back to the DR, and all of that.
I know Cueto and Volquez played winter ball their first year or two in Cincy. It all depends on the person, their situation with their club, and what they want to do in the offseason, but its certainly not rare.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Cueto did after his first season with the Reds
And the point would be to stretch him out as a starter and get him innings. Winter ball is the only place to do that.
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hahaha
Why would they stretch him out when he’s going to be the closer next year?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'm going to choose to ignore you on this topic from now on.
Just FYI.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Seriously
I really think that’s what’s going to happen, and RR will lose their collective minds. Personally I’m indifferent at this point as to where he ends up. If he’s dominant out of the pen, awesome. I’ll take that over another #3 start, we have a shit ton of those already.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Not really. Cueto's a solid #2, Leake is a solid #3 (almost a 2)
Everyone else we have is a 4-5 starter.
What we have a lot of are good bullpen arms.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
And you think Aroldis leapfrogs them?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That's not what I said.
You said we don’t need another #3 starter. I think Aroldis can be better than that, but even if not, we need another #3 starter much more than we need another good bullpen arm.
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Fair enough, so he's a solid #1.
Doesn’t change the overall point.
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except chapman will not be a #3
he will be dominant or a bust. and if he is a bust just put him back in the pen
So there's no middle ground? Where he reminds us of Homer Bailey and they send him up/down 5 times trying to "tweak his delivery" or "teach him how to be a pitcher not a thrower"?
Because that is exactly what I see happening if they turn him back into a starter.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Let's just agree to disagree
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
To be fair,
Neither will Chapman if they make him a starter (the 100 part, anyhow, though he should still have the slider).
"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer
by rorschach1979 on Aug 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not actually
Part of his problem starting was that he couldn’t pace himself. I think if he’s going to be an effective starter he’d need to sit around 95-97 and not go much higher.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I think he would sit 92-95
occasionally touching higher. But with a fastball that straight and only one other pitch (that we’ve seen), I don’t think Chapman would be significantly better than Bailey, really. Control issues, 2nd time through the order, reduced velocity, lower stamina work against him as a starter, and he isn’t setting the world on fire as a reliever.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
His fastball isn't straight.
And Bailey doesn’t have a second pitch as good as Chapman’s slider.
And if he was sitting 92-95 like you said, his velocity wouldn’t dip much.
Every pitcher faces the same issues the second time through the order. You can’t only hold that against Chapman.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I believe Chapman would be our 4th or 5th best starter
at best. I don’t think there is any way to change people’s minds about what they believe Chapman would do as a starter, whether they think he’d be good or not. We’ll just have to see, or as jch and I think, not see since the Reds will make him the closer.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
That's fair, except
You are using arguments that aren’t true. His FB sat higher than 92-95 when he was starting in AAA, and it isn’t straight.
Learning to get through the 2nd/3rd time through the order is something all young starters have to figure out, and I don’t understand why you’d assume he couldn’t do that.
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I just find it a bit ironic that you see a sunshine and roses with him as a closer
but only problems with him as a starter.
it’s not like this year has been easy for him, and it’s not like he’d definitely be awesome as a closer.
And I know you’d argue that he’s a lot more likely to be a good closer, but I’m not so sure, and I DEFINITELY think they owe it to themselves to find out.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Because at the end of the day
If they waste next year figuring out he can’t be a starter, will that really be that big a loss? So they lose potentially 70 good innings from the ’pen next year. Big deal.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Which role has he been successful in and which has he not?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
hasnt really been tried as a starter
other than in l’ville where he struggled at times but also showed signs of brilliance
He has a 3.86 ERA out of the pen this year
His ERA as a starter in AAA last year was something like 3.95.
/blahblahblahAAAisnothinglikethemajorsblahblahblah
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Just sayin', he was having success as a starter last year before they made the switch
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You're comparing AAA starter ERA and ML reliever ERA
You really expect me to take that seriously? Come on dude.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You are acting like he's been a dominant reliever
and there’s no way we could afford to lose a 3.86 ERA arm out of the bullpen.
You really expect me to take that seriously?
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The fact that you're trying to use reliever ERA to bolster your agument is.....ironic
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
What would you prefer?
His K/9 is only a bit higher from the ’pen this year than it was in AAA last year.
His BB/9 are actually much worse this year. (Which I don’t think is a coincidence. I think the irregular work exacerbates his control issues, and starting every 5 days would help him.)
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You know as well as I do that relief ERA is bullshit
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
So, I just gave 2 other examples of how he's not supremely better out of the pen
All you have are vague ideas about how the organization would screw him up.
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How about this then?
His BB/9 are higher this year because of a four game stretch where he walked 12 batters in 1.1 innings over four appearances. Guess how many days were between appearances 2, 3, and 4? Yep…..four. So maybe pitching every fifth day isn’t helpful.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I lost a 1, in there but you get the point
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Oh, come on.
That’s not even close to being the same thing and you know it. Randomly pitching every 4 days isn’t even close to the same as throwing 100 pitches, then a bullpen session, then another 100 pitches 4 days later.
Listen, I don’t know that he’ll be better, or even good, as a starter. All I know is that when he was signed, we were all thrilled to have potentially an ace starting pitcher, and after less than half a season of trying that, the organization has seemingly abandoned the idea. I’m just not OK with that, and I don’t understand why anyone could be.
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I think there's been a misunderstanding from the beginning that I've tried to address but everyone seems to gloss right over
I would LOVE to see Chapman become an ace starter. I’d be crazy not to. What I think will end up happening though is that he will be tried as a starter, it won’t work out, and he will end up the closer.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
And my argument is, what is the harm in that?
People (you included sometimes) are acting like he’s been so vital to the bullpen that losing him there for a year while he tries to start would be a tragedy. I also feel like the organization feels that way, and it doesn’t make a damn bit of sense to me.
I would LOVE to see him become even a #3 starter. Apart from the freak-show aspect of it, hard throwing lefty bullpen guys just don’t do that much for me.
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I'd rather have the otherworldly dominant bullpen guy than the #3/4 starter
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'd say the chances of either are about the same next year.
Chapman always scares me coming into high-leverage situations this year. You never know if he’s going to melt down.
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the only thing stopping chap from being a legit #1
is throwing strikes consistently. and its not like he has to be greg maddux, he just has to be decent at finding the zone because he can afford to walk a few. i don’t really believe the “he absolutely needs a third pitch” stuff even tho he has shown a change at times this year. randy johnson relied on FB slider and i think chappy can too.
Homer's thrown 103 innings of ~4ERA ball
which is much, much, more valuable than 40 innings of ~3 ERA ball.
Nobody here knows what will happen if/when Chapman is converted to a starter. But I think it is worth finding out, for nothing else then for finding out how to maximize value on a still-somewhat-unknown quantitiy. The Reds have 4 more years on his contract, I’d like to see something from it that Billy Bray can’t do.
If the best-case relief comp is Joakim Soria, I’d much rather take box #2 myself.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Don't get me wrong, I think it's worth it to find out as well
But when it’s all said and done I think he’ll end up as the closer next year.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
what you THINK will happen or what you WOULD LIKE to happen?
for me personally, the answer to a) is “closer by 2013” and b) is “closer by 2014”
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Well garsh, which one did I write?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Aug 30, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey, don't get mad at me.
But talking about what the Reds will do is boring. Talking about what we’d like them to do is a lot of fun.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I could never be mad at you, sugar
I’m just injecting some reality into the Chapman conversation. I think the Reds will try to make him a starter, I don’t think it will work out, and I think he’ll be back in the ’pen next year.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I think that whole progression is likely
but will take at least a year longer than that.
I think we’ll see a lot when we see what happens with Cordero.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
That's the wild card
If they bring CoCo back, everything I said is a moot point and they stick with Chapman as a starter for at least a year.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
The same reason that strawberry is my favorite ice cream
I just do.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
even if similar ice creams
(blueberry, huckleberry, black raspberry) performed poorly as measured by TASTE+ in relatively large sample sizes?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
Can't use SBnation properly apparently
Is TASTE+ ice cream park adjusted?
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
we all know that
black raspberry in Graeters’ hands will be far superior to even mint chip by Edy’s or Breyer’s. So yes, TASTE+ is adjusted by the maker and park.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Yep, jch is talking as if Homer has been a complete failure as a starter
Which isn’t really true, especially this year.
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uuuhhhhhhh
You might want to let me be the one to talk for me. I said no such thing.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You did use Homer as an example of a failed attempt at turning someone into a good starter
and like Cy said, I’d rather have what Homer gave us this year than what Chapman has given us.
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No, I used Homer as an example of yanking someone up and down
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
And out of curiosity, what would you call Homer right now? A #3 starter, maybe?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I wouldn't say much more valuable
Bailey has the innings advantage but Chapman has the leverage advantage, and Chapman has been more effective. That doesn’t totally make up for the innings advantage but it cuts it down considerably.
If the choice was between 70 innings of Super-Chapman or 150 innings of 90 ERA+, I’d take the former. If it’s 70 innings of 2011 Chapman or the same, I guess I take the latter.
expect him to start speaking in a horrible southern accent & start calling him kyra
because he’s the new closer
More like,
Call up Deborah Messing for acting tips, because he’s the new starter (wife).
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
This is just me pulling crap out of my rear end, but
I don’t think it requires a passport to go there, and given Chapman’s history (would he have a passport other than Cuban?) it might be easiest just to send him there.
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oh, thats an Idea,
But I assume he has a European passport
by Eastwindquinn on Aug 30, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
he is an Andorran national.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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