Red shift: Looking at the full spectrum of the Reds' starters
Starting pitching is due to go down as one of the main culprits for the disappointing season. Around these parts, we even have a three-word word short-hand for it. That is to say, a new three-word shorthand for it that departs from the timeworn F-T-P construction.
In the blogger utopia of the future, Dusty Baker walks into the press room after a bad outing from Neo-Homer Bailey, shrugs his shoulders, mugs and exclaims: "Unfortunately, the pitching!" We all share a good laugh and then give him his lineup and instructions for the next day.
But also unfortunately, the reality. Major league average starting pitching in 2011 has been good for a 4.25 ERA (and a 4.19 in the National League). That gives the Reds one starter who's off the charts (Johnny Cueto, ERA+ 210), one league average starter (Mike Leake, ERA+ 97) and one starter who might be league average, but whose innings count is probably still inconclusive (Dontrelle Willis, ERA+ 97). On its face, that's not altogether terrible, especially considering how good Cueto has been.
Here's how the Reds Top 7 pitchers by number of starts have fared this season:
| Pitcher | IP | ERA+ | SIERA | FIP | ERA |
| Bronson Arroyo | 153.1 | 75 | 4.33 | 5.57 | 5.28 |
| Mike Leake | 138.2 | 97 | 3.58 | 4.17 | 4.09 |
| Johnny Cueto | 128.1 | 210 | 3.84 | 3.45 | 1.89 |
| Travis Wood | 95.0 | 79 | 4.42 | 4.16 | 5.02 |
| Homer Bailey | 88.1 | 89 | 4.00 | 4.11 | 4.48 |
| Edinson Volquez | 85.0 | 67 | 4.19 | 5.34 | 5.93 |
| Dontrelle Willis | 45.2 | 97 | 3.73 | 3.66 | 4.14 |
The Reds perceived depth to start the season turned into a race to the bottom, with Wood, Arroyo and Volquez and Arroyo all pitching like fifth starters or worse. The starts weren't uniformly bad, but a lot of innings were being handed out to starters whose performance barely justified a rotation spot. Some of that was due to under-performance, pure and simple, and some of it was the early-season injuries to Cueto and Bailey.
Slightly less obvious is the fact that the Lower House of the Reds' rotation has been at least a little unlucky. FIP and SIERA disagree on where Bronson Arroyo "should" be, but Bailey, Wood and Volquez were probably victimized to some extent by batted ball luck. Cueto, on the other hand, may be benefiting from both good defense and good luck, but it's an open debate as to how hard he's been hit under his new pitching approach.
Where does that leave the Reds? I thought I'd take stock of the rotation depth after a season of lowered expectations. First, here's a rough grouping of ERAs for each rotation slot in the NL, based on the performance of starters with a minimum of 100 IP. The ERA cut-offs are arbitrary and of my own making, but hopefully they give a good indication of the quintiles and where Reds' starters stack up.
#1: 1.89 - 3.30
#2: 3.31-.3.75
#3: 3.76 - 4.30
#4: 4.31 - 4.90
#5: 4.90 - 5.50
Taking this as a rough guide, we can sketch out a rotational depth chart for the Reds, adjusting for luck and ignoring innings pitched. To the extent to which this season's performance is predictive of next year, this gives a good indication of the distribution of talent in the rotation entering 2012. I introduced some more subjectivity and gut juice by looking at where the pitchers fell on the range for ERA, FIP and SIERA and assign them a "rating," which says how confident I am that they could perform at the level suggested by the rotation slot number:
| Pitcher | ERA slot | FIP slot | SIERA slot | Composite | Rating |
| Johnny Cueto | #1 | #2 | #3 | 2.00 | STRONG #2 |
| Mike Leake | #3 | #3 | #3 | 3.00 | SOLID #3 |
| Dontrelle Willis | #3 | #2 | #2 | 2.33 | SOLID #3 |
| Homer Bailey | #4 | #3 | #3 | 3.33 | SOLID #4 |
| Travis Wood | #5 | #3 | #4 | 4.00 | LOW #4 |
| Bronson Arroyo | #5 | #6 | #4 | 5.00 | SOLID #5 |
| Edinson Volquez | #6 | #5 | #3 | 4.67 | SOLID #5 |
Even if the methodology here is imprecise, I have two main conclusions that no one could possibly argue with throughout all time and space:
1. Poor innings distribution and bad luck played a bigger role in the poor performance of the rotation than we might admit
2. The Reds absolutely have to find a #1/#2 starter to complement Johnny Cueto, especially since his batted ball mastery might dramatically correct itself
The question remains how much of the talent that would fill those gaps is playing for other organizations right now.
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I agree, it's just a shame it won't happen
I have trouble imagining a scenario where this team, with this management in place, makes a move for a legit top of the rotation starter to go with Cueto. They had that opportunity during last off season and again at the trading deadline, and showed that they were not willing to sacrifice the prospects required.
Perhaps this off season, that attitude changes, but I’m not going to hold my breath. The best chance the Reds have for adding a top of the line starter is by developing one form within. Unfortunately, the list of possibilities is pretty thin:
1. A sudden, magical resurgence of Edinson Volquez to 2008 levels
2. the conversion, with stunning success, of Aroldis Chapman to the rotation
3. A sudden, magical increase in ability from someone like Wood or Leake
4. Wait several years for one of the low minor leaguers to develop, by which time most of the current team will be gone
Molecular gastronomy can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Aug 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
I think a trade bringing James Shields to the Reds is within the realm of possibility.
He and Cueto could give us a nice one-two punch. I’m terrified Chapman is going to be installed as the closer next year, due to a perceived lack of better options. I think a magical resurgence from Volquez is more likely than an magical ability-increase in Leake or Wood. Although, a magical resurgence from Dontrelle may be more likely than either of the previously discussed possibilities. The numbers he’s been putting up this year are not all that much different from his exceptional 2005 season.
2005: 6.47 K/9, 2.09 BB/9, 1.13 WHIP, .282 BABIP, 44.6 GB%
2011: 6.50 K/9, 3.63 BB/9, 1.45 WHIP, .324 BABIP, 54.3 GB%
The only striking differences are his walk rate and BABIP, the latter being mostly out of his control. His velocity is not what it once was, and will probably not ever reach the highs he once had, but he is still missing bats. His swinging strike rate is over 8%, which is well above average. If he can continue to locate the strike zone, and lower his walks I think he can be a solid #3 with the upside of being a #2.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
You are missing the most important part, and the real reason for his "resurgence"
There is a huge difference between 54% and 44% ground ball rates. That means 10% fewer line drives and fly ball. As we know, line drives turn into hits at a very high rate, and fly balls tend to turn into home runs. 44% isn’t very good, while 54% is well above average.
The big question is if that’s a real change in his approach or simply a SSS quirk. If it’s the former, he’s got a very good chance of being a very effective pitcher again. If it’s the latter, we need to send him off with a nice parting gift in October.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Derp.
I meant to mention that as a positive difference. (Thanks for pointing that out, though.) He’s throwing a lot more sliders this year (32% compared to 17% in his career), which may account for his increased GB%.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Aren't you supposed to be studying?
Willis has performed more than well enough to be part of the rotation next year, and he’ll certainly be cheap enough. If it was a quirk, so what? The additional walks could also be a quirk.
I expect Willis to be a starter for us for the next half dozen years. I don’t know if it’ll be as a #1 pitcher or as a #4 pitcher, but like Cueto, he could drop a long ways and still be well worth it.
I don't know about 6 years, but I hope the Reds give him an offer this offseason.
Maybe 2 years with a club option or 2.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Willis > Volquez
I know who I want on the team and in the rotation next year
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 24, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The additional walks?
Have you seen him pitch any of the previous 3 seasons?
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
He just likes to be antagonistic
And wrong, apparently.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Aug 23, 2011 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
After a rough start, the rotation has clawed its way to average
The ERA is 4.36, which is pretty close to the league average when adjusting for park. The rotation is also good for an even six innings per start, which is exactly average.
It should be about the same next year. Cueto will likely regress some but so should Arroyo’s HR ratio. Leake is also progressing nicely, even if his FB ratio is a bit higher then I’d like.
In performance and durability, there are too many questions about the rest of the field. Ideally, one of Wood or Willis gives the team a full year of their former glory, or something approaching it. I’m cautiously optimistic about Willis, but we still haven’t seen enough, and he hasn’t thrown 200 innings in several years. With Wood, it seems like the league adjusted to him early this year and was making a lot of hard contact. Homer’s been mediocre when not on the DL, and who knows where Edinson’s head is. I’d seriously consider putting one or both in the bullpen.
I can definitely get behind a big trade for a #1/#2 SP. But I’d also settle for a real solution at LF and an upgraded bullpen, if a rotation cog proves too expensive. You can still have a playoff team with an average rotation plus a great offense (with a good LF, we’d be there) and a dominant bullpen (a possibility, with Chapman, Bailey, Volquez, Masset, LeCure, Bray, Logan).
Seems like most perennial playoff teams all have strong pitching staffs and the lineup can vary wildly...
Phillies, Giants, Cardinals…
I think we can catch lightning in a bottle like last year and catch a division title once every handful of years when starting pitching comes together and we get a player putting up MVP-numbers in the midst of several all-star players.
The thing that kills me is that if you put a #1/#2 starter and a strong LF on this team, it would seem that this goes from being a 75-85 win team to a 90-100 win team.
Phillies have been an offense-first team until this year
And I wouldn’t call San Francisco or St. Louis perennial contenders. Until last year the Giants hadn’t been to the playoffs since Bonds retired, and they may very well not catch Arizona this year. St. Louis is about to miss out on the playoffs for the second straight year and fifth time in the last six seasons.
I was thinking Yankees
They are always looking for starters.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 23, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think you could punt on pitching and go after a LF and/or one of the big name
SS. The pitching felt like total bust earlier in the season, when – weighing luck and recent improvements – it’s been approaching mediocre.
But doing the exercise has also shown that the pitching has the most risk and is therefore, in my mind, the biggest “problem” where making a single acquisition could have the largest impact. Especially since one of the league average pitchers has been Dontrelle Willis.
Ideally, they take decisive action to fix SP and LF. But it might not be possible this off-season.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 23, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well off-season has a lot going on I'm sure
Extend/Option Phillips is gonna be Reds #1 priority I’m sure. Then I dunno all the guys they have coming up arb etc. Volquez again for sure, maybe Bailey. Then the Cordero situation. Anyways, their off-season priority should be starting pitching. Either Willis/Chapman or go get a free agent or go make a trade with the truckload of AAA/Rookie players the Reds have.
I’m actually okay with the Reds trying to solve LF in house at the beginning of the season. Maybe some Alonso/Sappelt/Heisey thing could work out. I don’t think they should try to grab a FA or make a trade in offseason there. Hopefully if they improve the pitching, they will be in contention, and LF is one of the easiest things to fill mid-season imho. Caveat for this thinking though — if they have to trade some of their LF prospects for a good starter, then they might not be able to solve LF in house.
Adjustments for next year
The figures above pretty much tell the pitching problems this year. Volque\\z had his surgery and is not what he was before. He may never come back. Arroyo picks up his share of the innings and occasionally has his flashes He is my 3rd/4th SP. Cueto is a big improvement. With Leake, we actually could have a great one except Baker over-used him and blew his arm out last year. I would put Bailey out there to test his trade value. He has been given enough chances to become a SP for the past 4-5 years. Package Bailey and an OF and may be we can geet a decent SP back.
Team kinda has to hope for an Arroyo comeback too
Not many options with the guy. Hopefully he can bounce back and be a #3 starter and put up league average ERA which would fit perfectly with the team.
Your point about getting another #1/#2 is very wise though and hopefully that’s the number 1 off-season priority.































