Wanna win a World Series? Better get yourself a Hall of Famer or two
This being a Monday, I spent my afternoon surfing the web for coupons for TGI Friday's frozen entrees and catching up on my favorite candle making podcasts. After finding a particularly appealing two-for-one deal on mozzarella sticks at Giant Eagle and hearing a particularly scathing criticism of the latest wick-tempering fads, my thoughts turned, as they inevitably do, to Reds baseball. And when my thoughts, as they inevitably do, turn to Reds baseball, they even more inevitably turn to how the Reds can win the World Series. This is usually a frustrating exercise, as calls for a Hanley Ramirez trade or the promotion of the prospect du jour are akin to howling at the big Red moon. This unrequited howling turns, as it inevitably does, to me soaking in a bath with my lavender candles and a plate of TGIF boneless wings to try to calm myself down.
But today I had a moment of clarity. I thought to myself, "you know, old bean, if the Reds could just get a certifiable Hall of Famer or two this team would surely win the Big One." But is having a Hall of Famer a prerequisite to winning the World Series? And so I turned to Baseball-Reference, as always, to figure it out. Follow me after the jump for a list of World Series winning teams back to 1969 and the Hall of Famers who dawned uniforms for the victorious.
1969 Mets - The Amazin's were anchored by 24-year-old Tom Seaver at the front of their rotation. They also had a young fireballer named Nolan Ryan start a handful of games and come out of the 'pen.
'70 Orioles - The Orioles in the front half of the '70s were something to behold, though they only won it all this once. Robinsons Frank and Brooks, as well as Jim Palmer, led the charge for this particular vintage.
'71 Pirates - Speaking of '70s dynasties, these Pirates had a pair of Hall of Famers in the outfield corners with Willie Stargell and Roberto Clemente, as well as the aging husk of Bill Mazeroski.
'72, '73, and '74 A's - Speaking of '70s dynasties (was this the best decade ever for baseball? Of course, we Reds fans are going to be partial, but there were a handful of incredible teams that dominated the decade.), the Swingin' A's employed Reggie Jackson and Catfish Hunter, who are probably the quintessential 1970's baseball players (disagree? Read on). These A's won three straight World Series', which had never happened -and has never happened again - outside of the Bronx.
'75 and '76 Reds - We know the crew; Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, and Tony Perez represent, with Pete Rose and Davey Concepcion as ignominious and honorable mentions, respectively.
'77 and '78 Yankees - You know how just a bit ago I dubbed Reggie Jackson and Catfish Hunter the quintessential 1970's baseball players? It's because they won five World Series together during the decade, the last two with these here Yankees. Also, the moustaches.
'79 Pirates - Bookending the Pirates last decade of dominance (and some would say, relevance), this vintage won with an aging Willie Stargell (now 39 and at 1B, but still a boss .904 OPS), and Bert Blyleven.
'80 Phillies - These Phils were led by Mike Schmidt, who was frightening, and Steve Carlton, who was also frightening. Also, ignominious Pete Rose.
'81 Dodgers - This is the first team that upsets my theory, though only on a technicality. The '81 season was split down the middle by a strike, so the Reds, who won more games than any other NL team, were shut out of the playoffs on account of stupidity. These Dodgers did not employ a Hall of Famer, though Bob Welch and Fernando Valenzuela pitched well. Ron Cey was good but not Hall of Fame-worthy, and Dusty Baker was cool. But this doesn't count, again, because of the weird strike-shortened season. I'm still right.
'82 Cardinals - Ozzie Smith and Bruce Sutter. I liked Ozzie's backflips, but otherwise this whole team can go climb a tree for all I care.
'83 Orioles - Can you believe the Orioles used to be good? They are kinda like France. You know that a long, long time ago they used to rule the world, but looking at them now, you can't imagine how that was ever possible. Then you see they used to have bad ass Eddie Murray and a young Cal Ripken Jr who was not yet old. Also, whenever the wind whistles, I think "John Lowenstein". "Lowensteeeeeeiiiiiin."
'84 Tigers - This team is trouble for my theory, but not serious trouble. They had Alan Trammell and Lou Whitaker up the middle, who every internet baseball nerd knows should be in the Hall of Fame already but because of stupid baseball writers they are not. Lucky for me, the arbitrary Jack Morris will likely be inducted in the next few years by the very same stupid baseball writers and I won't be proven wrong. Hooray for irony!
'85 Royals - You should go look up George Brett again. It's probably been too long since you saw that shit. They also had a 21-year-old Bret Saberhagen and Dan Quisenberry, who is every bit as good as Bruce Sutter.
'86 Mets - Gary Carter is their lone representative, though Lenny Dykstra, Darryl Strawberry, and Doc Gooden had their HoF bids ruined by crazy, coke, and coke, respectively.
'87 Twins - Everybody loves Kirby Puckett, probably because he was so adorable. They also had Bert Blyleven and the ghost of Steve Carlton.
'88 Dodgers - Hooo boy. There go the Dodgers again, trying to gum up my theory. These boys in blue were led by Kirk Gibson and Orel Hershiser, who were both good but not Hall of Fame worthy. But...wait! What is this? 43-year-old Don Sutton started 16 below-average games for them before calling it a career? VINDICATION!
'89 A's - Rickey Henderson wants you to know that Rickey Henderson and Rickey Henderson's teammate Dennis Eckersley were on this team and also that they are in the Hall of Fame, which was made famous one day a few years ago when Rickey Henderson stood in front of it and talked to y'all.
'90 Reds - This is where things start to get a bit speculative, because from here on out most of the players aren't yet eligible for the Hall of Fame. But Barry Larkin counts.
'91 Twins - The Adorable Puckett again, and arbitrary Jack Morris.
'92 and '93 Blue Jays - Roberto Alomar was inducted this summer, and John Olerud is one of my personal favorites, though he falls just short of the HoF standard. Rickey Henderson played LF for the '93 team. Also, the arbitrary Jack Morris.
'94 - In '94, I was tearin' ass around my little league, legging out infield triples (yeah, you read that right) and stealing like a thousand bases. It was the most important baseball played that summer.
'95 Braves - These teams are starting to look familiar, yeah? This is the team that forged my hatred of the Atlanta baseballers, as they defeated my favorite Reds in the NLCS and my 2nd-favorite Indians in the World Series. Chipper Jones figures to make it to the HoF some day, and Maddux-to-Glavine-to-Smoltz was an incomparable double-play combination. Or something like that.
'96, and '98-'00 Yankees - This was the last baseball dynasty, which was founded on Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera, who are certain to be enshrined someday. Plenty has been said about these guys already, so I'll move on to the Marlins, who present a much cooler topic of conversation.
'97 Marlins - The next mortal threat to my grand theory, these Marlins won with a cast of very good players rather than with a few Hall of Famers. But my theory lives on, because Kevin Brown is definitely worthy of enshrinement on the merit of his numbers. His prickly personality though meant his named appeared on one and only one HoF ballot. Whatever. Kevin Brown doesn't give a shit. Also, Gary Sheffield matches the talents of a number of Hall of Famers, but again, the prickly personality (and the stain of steroids) will likely keep him out. I'm gonna say Brown got robbed though, so MY THEORY LIVES ON!!
'01 Diamondbacks - Randy Johnson is a shoo-in, but Curt Schilling is worthy of consideration as well. They'll both hit the ballot soon enough. But check out this team's rotation. And that lineup. This team was so old. But Schilling/Johnson was so good - so cosmically significantly good - that nothing else was of consequence. 20 years from now, alien grandfathers will tell their alien grand kids about these guys. This what I think their conversation may very well sound like: "Blip blorp scuzzlemuck 372 strikeouts glorp glorp." "HOOOOOONNNNNGGGG, muck muck! Scripple dooble slank-slank 7.51 K/BB ratio ungh ungh!"
'02 Angels - And we come to what very possibly could be the one exception to my rule. These are David Eckstein's Angels, getting by on grit, guts, dirt, and heart. Future Hall of Famers need not apply. Kevin Appier is in the Hall of Very Good, but nobody on this team liked him anyway. Francisco Rodriguez is probably the only hope I have here to one day make the Hall, but will probably only happen if he breaks the saves record or something like that. Sigh.
'03 Marlins - These guys get me back on track with Pudge Rodriguez, who is a mortal lock, and Miguel Cabrera, who very possibly could be once all is said and done. Did you know he is only 28 this year? He is only a few months older than Joey Votto.
'04 Red Sox - Take your pick with this team. My official submission is Pedro Martinez, but we'll also accept Curt Schilling or Manny Ramirez. And hell, Johnny Damon and Nomah are close.
'05 White Sox - Frank Thomas had 124 PAs as a 37-year-old and he still OPS'd .905. If he isn't a Hall of Famer, I'm not sure it means anything anymore. Also, Mark Buerhle could make an interesting case in 10 years or so. He's compiled 46.3 bWAR and he's only 32 this year. Five more years at three WAR apiece and a more progressive voting cohort could get him a bust in Cooperstown.
'06 Cardinals - Uh, Pujols. Dang.
'07 Red Sox - Officially, I'm going with Schilling. He was really, really good, but up to this point I've been going with his safer teammates in this here little game. But he's probably the safest bet on this team, with Manny likely hexed by his antics. Dustin Pedroia is definitely worth keeping an eye on moving forward.
'08 Phillies - This is where the real speculation starts, because there is nobody on this team who is at the end of a Hall-worthy career like Schilling and the good young players are still too young, because this was just three years ago. Chase Utley looked like the surest best on this team when it happened, but it looks like he's aging like a second baseman. Voters could really dig Ryan Howard's RBI totals, but even then his late start (his first full season was at 26) will probably stunt his number compiling capabilities. Cole Hamels could do it.
'09 Yankees - Jeter and Mo.
'10 Giants - Tim Lincecum is on his way, that's fer sher. If only Wayne Krivsky could have known. Buster Posey looks like a terrific young catcher, and though it seems silly to speculate on the Hall of Fame credentials of a 24-year-old, it's instructive to remember that they have to start somewhere.
So, uh, there you have it. 42 years of World Series history in the modern LCS format and really only one team that did it without a Hall of Famer. So this off-season when we are all futzing around with possible lineups and possible trade acquisitions and possible free agent signings, we must all remember to operate under one directive: make sure we find a future Hall of Famer. Or David Eckstein.
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Great work Chuck
A couple of thoughts -
1) Holy crap, Miguel Cabrera is only 28? Seems like he’s been around forever.
2) The last line of ’05 about Frank Thomas seems oddly worded to me.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
great fun
But I believe it’s “boneless wyngs”.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Aug 22, 2011 6:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
you are correct
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Aug 22, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I loved your writing, Chuck.
I found it hilarious and distinctive throughout, and also a fun bit of speculation. We have similar HoF viewpoints, which rocks.
I also liked how players “dawn” uniforms. And the alien part was funny. I would have laughed a lot more if I didn’t have a strained intercostal or something that hurts whenever I laugh.
On the ’02 Angels, Tim Salmon had quite an undervalued career. The man could flat out hit, but for HoF purposes, too bad he did so in an era where hitting was off the charts. I also am partial to Troy Glaus, another man who could flat out hit. Not HoFers, but about as good as you can be while still not having a viable case.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Dont forget Garret Anderson
.293 career average, 2500+ hits, 1300+ RBI’s and not on Roids. He is borderline HOF.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Aug 22, 2011 7:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If someone in their right mind tries to convince me that Garret Anderson is more HOF worthy than Eric Davis
my fucking head might explode.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
no
if your initial instinct is “well, let me check the numbers”, the guy isn’t hall of fame.
I don’t think of Anderson in that way at all. Hell, he is quite forgettable.
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Uh, really?
Garret Anderson?
A league-average hitter who primarily played LF? If BBRef’s WAR figures are right, he had 2 All-Star type seasons and only 3 more where he was as good as the average starter; fangraphs is only slightly more generous, with 1 AS type season and 6 more starter type.
Not only is he not “borderline HOF”, he shoud have been a bench player for most of his career.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
i look at his stats and i see Fred Lewis.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 23, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
This is exaggeration
Anderson was a legitimate starter for at least a decade from 95-04. But the sentiment of not approaching HoF is true.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Chuck mentions F-Rod
He’s 24th in saves all-time, with close to 300. And he’s not even 30. If he can shake the crazies and stay away from his in-laws, he could very well finish with another 200 saves, which would put him third all-time. I think that would have to get him in.
If he does it with crap-ass rates, I don;t think that would have to get him in.
In fact, I bet he would finish his career with worse numbers than Lee Smith, who was the all-time leader and never really has even gotten close.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Smith was never as dominant as F-Rod
except for a couple of years in St. Louis. Rodriguez had an unreal 6+ years with the Angels plus a memorable post-season. Even after a couple of meh years in the NL he has a 169 ERA+ and a K/9 north of 11. Lee wasn’t close to that, whether you look at his career totals or through his age-29 year (F-Rod’s age). Rodriguez would have to finish very poorly (which could certainly happen) to finish with career rates worse than Smith.
I think the writers are still sorting out how to evaluate relievers. Eck was elected because he was the undisputed best for several years. Gossage probably fits that as well. Sutter supposedly invented the split-finger. Smith doesn’t have the dominance of the first two or the hook of Sutter’s story. Smith had the saves record, but most recognize that he got it because managers stopped using closers for more than an inning and started managing to the save situation. Smith was very good, but only marginally better than guys who got virtually no recognition like Franco, Roberto Hernandez, or especially Quiz.
"HOOOOOONNNNNGGGG, muck muck! Scripple dooble slank-slank 7.51 K/BB ratio ungh ungh!"
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You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Cincinnati Reds - 2012?
HOFers – Joey Votto, Jay Bruce, Scott Rolen, Johnny Cueto?
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Aug 22, 2011 7:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Devin Mesoraco, Zack Cozart, Drew Stubbs, Brandon Phillips, Fred Lewis.
Miguel Cairo is so last week.
Halladay, Hanley, sMarty, & tHom
Chronicled by the Fya. He’s a lock for HFO.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Aug 22, 2011 8:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously meant to type "teh Fya"
Unintentional typo of intentional typo results in correct spelling. Proof that two wrongs can indeed make a right.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Aug 22, 2011 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Aroldis Chapmam
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
Or, Aroldis Chapman
Same thing, really
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
Who knows?
Mayne Edinson gave him some of his fertillity drugs
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
I take serious offense
to your presumption that Lenny Dykstra was not ruined by coke.
by riverfront76 on Aug 22, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
unless you're his bail bondsman.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
teh Fay
on the #HatsOffCin campaign.
Current standings:
San Francisco Giants: 4,798 points
Cincinnati Reds: 3,142 points
Next closest team (Detroit Tigers): 191 points
FTH? Has no one outside of SF and ’Nati heard of Twitter?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Hey look
Yet another way Cincinnati gets punished by not playing a bigger market! Hats off to you, Head and Shoulders!
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Aug 22, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the winner gets
$50,000 to for local youth baseball programs.
Jamie Ramsey is hosting a party tomorrow to watch the game and send tweets.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Jamie Ramsey is actually doing something useful?
"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me
As much of a tool shed as that guy seems to be
He’s money when it comes to shit like this. His ability to mobilize the fan base to get things done is pretty amazing, although I prefer him doing it for this kind of thing rather than trying to get a free ride to fantasy camp.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
His blogging on fantasy camp
Has put that on my bucket list… im sure it was worth every penny the reds came up with to pay for him to go out there
by Nasty N8 on Aug 23, 2011 6:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Campaign is a nice word for free advertising
This hashtag is the internet equivalent of wearing a “where’s the beef” T-shirt.
The money goes to Reviving Baseball in the Inner City, a cause I am very enthusiastic about.
Look up Harlem RBI or the Reds Community Fund. While it’s not curing cancer, it’s a neat initiative.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Aug 23, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
So the 2012 Reds will have future HoFers
Votto, Bruce and Devo Mescaline.
and maybe even a Johnny Cueto
Kevin Youkilis: If I were to go anywhere, I would want to go to Cincinnati .
Rolen is going to be hotly-debated player down the road
and I think he’ll stick around another year in a limited-capacity if he can still move his arm.
With Rolen's fielding being as good as it was
He really should be a slam dunk hall of famer. I don’t think that’s the general perception of the guy, but he has had an amazing career. I can get all WAR graphy to show it if you want, but it’s really not even close given who is already in there.
-j
I write at:
RotoGraphs | Red Reporter | Basement-Dwellers.com | Twitter: @jinazreds
Isn't there a ridiculously small number of 3B in the hall?
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Aug 22, 2011 8:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I say again:
Go check out George Brett. Woof.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 22, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
that was certainly a sentence I never thought I'd read
calling George Brett a dog? I don’t know that I’ve ever heard him referred to as marginal h-o-f, even.
Except for maybe Mike Schmidt, George Brett would have started over every other third baseman in baseball on any team at any time in that era. (Wade Boggs, too, if you go to the latter half)
A Ongreed the Deserving
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No, it was a positive "woof"
Definitely positive. He was awesome.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 23, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
ohhhh
I certainly interpreted that wrongly!
I thought you were saying that Rolen could get in if dogs like Brett could make it.
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a little Brett related science
target focus or homoeroticism?
A Ongreed the Deserving
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On paper, this is a very solid team.
We’re well above average at every position except SS, 3rd Base, and LF. Cueto’s an Ace, Willis and Leake are a good #2 and #3, and it’s not like our #4 and #5 are terrible. We’ve got some solid talent in the ’pen as well.
I understand why the Brewers are better than us. Once they got healthy, they’ve got some real talent. But I can’t comprehend why we’re under .500. I guess the question is, do we get another #2 type pitcher and a solid hitter to bat cleanup so that we can beat the Brewers, or do we go youth movement and wait a couple of years? I think this team will be 4 games above .500 just with Frazier, Cozart, Sappelt, and company, but I don’t think that’s enough to beat the Brewers next year either.
I think it'll be enough to beat the Brewers next year when they lose Fielder.
The Cardinals with Wainwright though, is another story.
I don't think they'll lose Fielder.
They’ll have the extra money from winning a playoff series and more people coming to the game, and I think he’ll want to stay.
Fielder is a Boras client and even with the playoffs and increased attendance they won't be able to afford him.
Fielder will get $15,000,000+ per year. With the extensions the Brewers gave out this year it just isn’t a possibility.
I’m not even counting the fact that they are throwing it all on one shot.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It's possible
The question is whether its sensible.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
They've already invested $105 million in Braun; he's their long term guy.
Fielder has a human-jackass for an agent and will likely be the best player on the market if Pujols re-signs.
We are assuming that he will be the Wainwright of pre-TJ surgery.
He could come back with his struggles.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
obligatory'd

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't want to use him as an example... it is just too easy.
Regardless, don’t they say it usually takes a season to get back to form after rehabilitation and everything?
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard 18 months for a pitcher
They can come back before then, but they seem to struggle. Tendinitis seems to be a problem during the recovery period.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I think a good baseline is
it takes about 12 months to get back on a major league mound. It usually takes a pitcher another months after that to get himself back together. Pitchers say that post surgery they feel like they learned how to pitch all over again, and it can take them awhile to find their feel and command, even though their arm strength and stuff is there.
It will get better.
no
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
There is also Tim Hudson
Who made his last start of 2008 on July 23rd, had surgery in early August of 2008, came back on September 1 of 2009, made 7 starts pitched 42 innings with an ERA of 3.61, and has quietly been one of the top pitchers in the game since then.
The problem with Volquez was he had one very good year, with a great first half and an okay second half, was mediocre in 2009 before he had surgery, was mediocre in 2010 after he returned, and was bad this year.
2008 may not be the real Volquez, we just don’t know. He could be closer to the mediocre pitcher we have seen since then.
It will get better.
and if you'd really like to
you can search this site for the number of times I’ve said the Reds should trade for him.
It’s no less than 5.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
nope.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He may not be 100% at the start of the year, but he may be fine in time to cure their annual August swoon.
Dave Duncan will get the most out of whatever Wainwright can give.
YOUUUUUUUK....
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think more people would argue that Leake is a 3-4....
Willis could be a flash in a pan.
There is also the argument that Cueto’s season is based largely on luck.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I can only go with what we got...
You’ll notice that I didn’t predict that Chappy would be an Ace, Wood would come back stronger than ever, etc. Yes, some of this may be a fluke, some of it may be good luck. But there’s lots of ways for this team to improve besides new personnel.
I not only think Willis is for real, I think he’ll actually get better. If he’s really fully recovered, why can’t he be the same pitcher he was for the Marlins in 2003-2007? I don’t expect him to quite get up to the monster he was in 2005, though I suspect if he did and Cueto repeated his 2011 performance that alone would put us in the World Series. But even outside of that year he was darned good with the Marlins.
Leake is better than he at first appears, mainly because of his propensity for ground balls which lead to double plays. I’ll be quite happy if he’s the #3 pitcher.
I'm actually on board with your Willis assessment.
It is just too early to tell, so I’m not going to label him.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Who wouldn't, but he will be cheap, and if he can pitch around a 4.00 ERA why not keep him?
It only adds to depth and would allow us to make a trade. That could get you your top of the staff guy.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody's going to trade for Willis that'll get us someone better than Willis.
There’s only one team that knows if he’s completely healthy, and that’s the Reds. If we try to trade him, other teams will assume he has an injury issue we’re not telling them about.
He’ll be cheap, he’ll be a good rotation member, and there’s always a chance he’ll get back to 2005 levels. I suspect we could get more for Travis Wood.
I wasn't saying we would trade Willis.
I was implying that it would make another pitcher expendable…. Wood for example.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I certainly agree with that.
I didn’t like trading Wood last year, because I didn’t know where his ceiling was. This year I can live with it.
We still don't know what he is
he burst on to the scene, and hitters adjusted, now it his his move.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
we don't.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't popped in for a few days.
I’m impressed and amused that this is still going on. #HatsOffTheVole.
Yeah, the Reds need a top of the staff arm
I still think Cueto will be more of 2-3 type of guy than an ace. If Walt can find a real ace, to go with Cueto and Leake, and Arroyo has the obligatory contractually obligated spot, I am very comfortable that Chapman, Volquez, Wood, Maloney, and Bailey can handle the bottom of the rotation/fill in.
I really wish the Reds didn’t have so many resources tied down with Arroyo. Such a stupid fucking contract. They could use that towards a real ace…
It will get better.
the Reds could've traded Stubbs for Hudson.
They blew their chance.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit man, seriously?
I mean, Cueto may in fact not be the best pitcher in the league. His ERA should perhaps not be below 2. But his ERA could be a full point higher and he’d still be a #1 pitcher. Only Cole Hamels has a better WHIP, and it’s .002 difference.
If you think Cueto’s not good enough to be a #1 pitcher, your requirements are too high. He doesn’t need to do anywhere near this well to be a #1 pitcher.
He needs to show he can pitch 200 innings in a season.
Also, his WHIP is so low because he has an incredibly lucky BABIP. He just isn’t giving up hits, and he will regress next year.
I’m not a Cueto hater, but I don’t expect him to be anywhere near this good next year. I expect him to be around a 3 ERA… I just don’t see him being lower than that.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think 2010 is closer to Cueto's ability's than 2011
which is fine, he was a fine pitcher last year. I will take 2010’s numbers every year from Cueto. But I think if people who don’t want to get an ace because Cueto has filled that gap should check their pockets for fools gold.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to get an ace
But who’s available? The market’s not looking so great this year.
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Walt really dropped the ball last year
Harren was available last year, Greinke was available last off season. Just think, the Reds could have turned down Arroyo’s option, and used that money to pay for Greinke.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
According to peripherals Greinke is one of the unluckiest pitchers this year.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Then Cueto is the biggest loser!
I don’t like it.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He struggles against the Pirates
’nuff said… oh wait, WTF?
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
This comment is all sorts of awesome
whether intentional or not I still haven’t decided
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
nope.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Greinke just gave up 7 runs to the Pirates
Doesn’t that disqualify him in the Ace ratings?
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
I don't understand how a guy with a K/BB of 5.21 doesn't have an ERA under 0
he is having such a strange year, the antithesis to Cueto.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's just unlucky.
His peripherals get him into the Champagne room at his local strip club though, so there’s that.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
immagine if he had Cueto's BABIP
he would be working on a year in line with Bob Gibson’s 68.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw Mrs. Greinke
last game at home. When I let go of an exclamation of approval I had to tell the SO that she reminds me of her.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
Its the 2nd time the 'Rats have hit him hard
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
The irony is
I have this lingering feeling that the team is gonna spit some games up. I’m wondering if a bad stretch starts tonight. Cards were leading 1-0 and I look up and they blew the game. Seems like they’ve blown about 20 saves. That screws Pythagoras.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
couldda had Hudson
just like they couldda had Haren last year.
Maybe still can have Hudson, but it will have to be for prospects this offseason instead of for an OF this trade deadline (Stubbs…)
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, yeah
C’mon Voley, let’s turn this off.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 23, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A 3 ERA....
Here’s the NL starters with a 3 ERA or better…
1. Cueto
2. Vogelsong
3. Lincecum
4. Halladay
5. Kershaw
6. Hamels
7. Lee
8. Jurrjens
9. Kain
10. Kuroda
If Cueto had a 3 ERA this year, he’d still be the 10th best in the league.
He pitched 185 innings last year, that’s sufficient for me. 185 innings at a 3 ERA may not be winning any individual trophies, but that’s good enough to be #1 on a team.
The one thing I will say about Cueto this year
is he seems to be more mentally tough. He doesn’t have the melt downs he use to be prone to.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I really think it comes down to him trusting his stuff.
Even in tough situations he is throwing strikes. In the past he would start to nibble and walk guys. This year in tough situations he is letting the batter get themselves out. It might not always works, but it is better than nibbling.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
and hopefully the bump in groundballs will help him continue to be more pitch efficient
last year he averaged less than 6 IP per start, this year he is over 6.7.
Also hopefully he can make it through a year without missing time with an arm injury, 3 arm injuries in 4 years makes me a bit concerned about him.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I hopeth not.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
There are two distinct groups of pitchers on that list (plus Cain)
Cueto is in the group with Vogelsong, Jurrjens, Kuroda. Which is not a bad thing in it’s own right.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I think the doubt
is whether he can continue pitching this well. He’s pitching way better than he ever has before.
Maybe he’s figured something out…or maybe it’s a fluke, and his numbers will go back to being closer to his career norms.
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Well, I guarantee it will be...
This is a once-in-a-lifetime performance. We’re talking what may end up being the best performance by a Reds pitcher in a hundred years. He won’t repeat that.
But he’s 26 years old. He should be getting better. I don’t expect him to fall clear back to 2010 levels. 185 innings of 3.00 ERA ball is, IMHO, a reasonable expectation. Do you disagree?
According to fangraphs his FIP is 3.45, and xFIP is 3.89
That range is much more in line with who he is.
He is still going to be outmatched by the Felix Hernandez’s, Cliff Lee’s, Roy Halladay’s, over the world.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Pedagree, swing and miss stuff, years of sucess, lower ERA's, higher IP/Start
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
no.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
apostrophes?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, I disagree
His ERA each season before this year: 4.81, 4.41, 3.64.
I suspect 3.00 is too optimistic.
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you can see my below comment comparing 2 pitchers
but I’ll direct you here to see the player I’m comparing him with.
Y’know, so you can see what the other guy did through his age 25 season.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Verlander may be having a career year too
But also over the last three years he has been striking out over a batter per inning. He also has improved his control this year, and has the best bb/9 of his career. Yes, his BABIP is due for a correction, but he is also going to give up less hits than Cueto, given his great swing and miss stuff, and he will allow less base runners with better control than Cueto has.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
hence the reason I asked that you view his career
through his age 25 season.
He and Cueto have logged similar innings to that point.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
if cueto pitched in any other park than GABP, he's have 9 perfect games this year
he’s the best pitcher in baseball
I can also see
He didn’t have a 3.00 ERA in his age 26 season.
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I know he didn't
my point was that everyone and their sister has called him “a number 1 starter” throughout that timeframe, sub 3 ERA or not.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So the pattern was...
Age 22, ERA 4.81
Age 23, ERA 4.41
Age 24, ERA 3.64
Age 25, Doesn’t Count
Age 26….
If he improved only as much between Age 24 and age 26 as he did between age 23 and age 24, he’d have an ERA below 3.
As for FIP and xFIP, that’s for neutral defenders, right? I’m assuming the Reds defense next year will be as good as it was this year.
he's trended in the right direction his entire career
but trends don’t matter! they aren’t part of the periphery
Wait til he's 40
He’ll be scoring runs from the pitching mound
by Nasty N8 on Aug 23, 2011 6:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think that's a reasonable assumption
Young pitchers, even future hall of famers, don’t improve steadily every year. They have good years and bad years.
Is it impossible that Cueto will have a 3.00 ERA next year? Of course not. But I wouldn’t count on him achieving it, either.
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OK, here we go.
Pitcher A: WHIP: 0.878, H/9: 6.0, ERA+: 169, BABIP: .235
Pitcher B: WHIP: 1.005, H/9: 6.5, ERA+: 210, BABIP: .230
Hint: One of these pitchers is being touted as a unanimous Cy Young winner and possible MVP…the other is being told he’s having a fluke year and will regress next season.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot to add.
Pitcher A: K/9: 9.1 BB/9: 1.9 HR/9: 0.7
Pitcher B: K/9: 5.8 BB/9: 2.6 HR/9: 0.5
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't forget, I just didn't choose to.
It was a “BABIP fueled” conversation.
Also, again, view Pitcher A’s numbers through age 25, not through age 29.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Still think that is setting expectations too high
you just can’t expect pitchers to be that good, until they prove they are.
Kinda like last year Votto put up an OPS over 1.000, this year it is .972. You can find a record of me predicting he wouldn’t OPS over 1.000 again, and it was nothing against Votto. Players who put up OPSes over 1.000, or put up Verlander types of peripherals in multiple seasons are so rare, you can’t expect a guy to repeat it until he has repeated it a couple of times.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
I’ve never said Verlander’s name yet, in fact.
It was simply a numbers comparison.
It’s a perception thing. My emphasis was that people generally consider Verlander to be one of the 3 best pitchers in the game, and even though many numbers suggest he’s having a year that can’t be repeated, he’s being hyped as an MVP candidate…almost unheard of as a pitcher. All the while, Cueto’s year is being poo-poohed as unsustainable and a fluke, when in reality, they’re having almost the same year (Cueto having the better year, by some measures.)
I don’t “expect” Cueto to have a year next year like he has this year, but I don’t “expect” him to put up a season with 150 IP/4.80 ERA either.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
word, yo!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I see him somewhere between 3.3-3.8
The ground ball uptick is significant, and if nothing else that should increase his IP, so if he stays healthy he should be able to throw over 200 innings, which is something I would like to see.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
150 IP/4.80 ERA
I don’t expect him to have that year either. I expect 3-3.5 ERA. Many here are calling him our Ace, and that we can call off the search. I don’t really believe that.
I’d still like to get Shields.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we still
a very unlucky team on paper?
I notice the standings have been falling into line with run differentials. There are now very few teams that aren’t ranked where you’d expect based on RS/RA. San Diego looks like a really unlucky team, but that’s about it.
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We are in that based on run differential we should still be in the race, and be comfortably over .500.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
nein!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You are depending on a lot of question marks
You are hoping that Cueto is more like 2011 than 2010 (not that 2010 was bad), and that Wood is more like 2010 than 2011.
What the current of Cueto; et al, have proven is that they CAN put together a solid yet unspectacular 1-5, who keep the team in the game for the offense (2010) they have also shown they can pitch so poorly the offense can’t comeback, and the bullpen is burnt out by July.
They need an ace, and a couple of middle inning arms. I am worried about the bullpen. Masset may be toast, he has pitched a ton the last 3 years, and there are countless relievers who have a really good go for 1-3 years, throw a ton of games, and are burnt out. I really want to have a couple of quality back up arms in case Masset can’t get it back together. He is a question mark and Coco is on the way out, the Reds need plenty of pitching help for next year.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but...
every team that’s going anywhere this year (and next year, likely) has two pitchers who are “#1 starters.”
Phillies, Giants, BoSox, ATL, Brewcrew, et al.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, that's the rub.
This team might even be good enough to sniff the playoffs, but I really do believe 4-5 games over .500 is the limit, and that would take some luck to get us into the playoffs.
I finished my post by saying we either need another starter and another hitter to get us up another level, or we may as well go youth movement. SF has 3 pitchers in the top 10 in ERA. So does Philly. We need more to make the World Series.
trade for Youk or Hudson
and make Chappy a starter who can make an impact in the rotation over the second half of the season.
Boom.
Balls.
Dang!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
ain't.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Nomar should count at all for the 2004 Red Sox.
I’m pretty sure he was traded midseason to the LOLCubs
Orca then!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He was traded at the deadline
But he got a ring. His teammates said they’d never have been in the position to win without him.
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Ss with 2000 career hits who played for reds
Lark. Davey. Ocab. Anyone else?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
'creds.....?
RENTERIA!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reds OFers to win an MVP award
Hamilton, Griffey, Parker….and?
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Update:
Billy Hamilton is 2-3 today with 3 SB’s. Now up to 89 on the season. And on a side note, Tony “My Boy” Cingrani struck out the side in the 1st inning.
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
I think Billy will be very important in September and the playoffs next year...
assuming we don’t go Youth Movement, of course.
Just having a pinch-runner like that available can change the opponent’s strategy.
I doubt they put him on the 40 man just for September and the playoffs.
I’m sure he’ll spend the entire year in Bakersfield… maybe getting to AA.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
They will, I have faith.
Heck, I would have done it this year if we’d made it. 2012 should be a no-brainer. He’ll still have 3 years worth of options.
I'd rather not waste those options years, especially since the kid is a work in progress.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, that would be really dumb.
Putting him on the roster next September would mean that by the time he got to the bigs, likely in 2015, he’d only have 1 option left.
All for him to accrue 10 SBs next September. Dumb.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Late-thread Snark Alert!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
pssshaw!
for this year, maybe, but his Snark-per-thread it completely unsustainable, especially without Renteria as a whipping boy.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
they would do much better finding a track star!
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, actually
cuz then they wouldn’t bother worrying about his options and retaining him
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I'm sending my fiance to the Lugnuts/Dragons game tomorrow night.
I’ll make sure to make him do an intensive scouting report.
Listen to my grawling.
All that I ask of you
is to demand that he report on who has the best ’stache:
Corky

Sal
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
#TeamCorky
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Aug 22, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Corky's stache wins
it has a mind of its own. Lemme give you a hint, Corky doesn’t call the games, his stache does.
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
It's actually a rat that hides inside Corky's collar, and controls him by pulling on the mustache.
Anyone can catch!
Listen to my grawling.
does this mean
You didn’t got to Pittsburgh?
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You went to a game?
One of the winning ones, I hope.
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Yup, yesterday's ninth inning craziness.
Even my dad-who-doesn’t-really-like-baseball enjoyed it, rain delays and all.
Listen to my grawling.
it looked like a fun game
The fans stayed to the bitter end, or so it seemed on TV.
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interesting
This is the first time he’s gone 5 innings, right?
Maybe they really are going to try making him a starter.
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You forgot about the Rally Monkey!
He is responsible for winning Game Six of the 2002 World Series. He’s still getting it done in Anaheim. And he’s only 30.
by Don, the Rebel without a Blog on Aug 22, 2011 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
Sometime around 1999 or 2000
I made a list of current players who I suspected might one day make the Hall of Fame. I remember tucking it into a book, but I can’t remember which one. I’d really like to see that list now. Silly me.
I look forward to seeing an article like this way in the future that mentions Joey Votto and “the ghost of Scott Rolen” as HOF representatives from the 2012 Reds championship team.
by the finest muffins on Aug 22, 2011 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
Simple solution
read all of your books.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh...
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what the end game is
I’m thinking he gets a time out.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
Or, to save time, I could just shake out the pages of all of my books.
But, alas, I think it’s in a book I either left behind in Cincinnati or got rid of in the interim.
by the finest muffins on Aug 22, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
call you parents right now
and say “I don’t have time to explain, but it is critical you shake out every book in the house, call me back when you have finished and tell me what you have found”.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone who is friends with me on facebook
Join my status saying that Donald O’Connor sucks compared to Fred Astaire. I’m trying to piss off LB.
"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me
Calling O'Connor a poser is a good strategy.
"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me
Strategy for not getting laid when you see her again?
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i mean, I can tell you how to not get laid with out enlisting the help of your friends.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Usually getting drunk and pissing all over the carpet helps.
And it’s fun!
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 22, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather get not laid this way!
More fun for everyone!
"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me
Never say to here
can you believe it? You are fucking Crolfer
That will get you a slap in the face.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
But I love Donald O'Connor in Singin' in the Rain!
(Did he do anything else?)
by the finest muffins on Aug 22, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Only Jack Benny! Hey-oh!
Mads in da house!
"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me
WHOA
the dude that was Yul Brenner or whatever from Cool Runnings was Ice in Arrested Development.
"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me
Ok, so,
I’m taking my doctoral comps on Wednesday and Friday of this week.
Wednesday is a musicology paper, I was given two topics in advance, and I’ve basically had to write and memorize two separate 3,000 word papers, complete with quotes and citations.
Then on Friday I’m taking a theory comp, and tonight after looking at the study guide I realized I’m not nearly as good at advanced theory as I thought I was.
So, for the next 72 hours or so, if I’m on here, you have my express written consent to tell me to go away and study.
With that, I leave you. Wish me luck!
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Good luck
when will you be a candidate (if you can come back and read this before it is dead)?
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
buena suerte, senor!
And, of course, this.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 22, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa. Are comps like quals? Are you at the beginning or the end of phd-ing?
But Mr. Tiger just got an interview today! Good news for both phD candidates in general, and specifically, the tiger-mache virtual household.
Listen to my grawling.
At my program
Comps were taken by most 2nd or 3rd year Ph.D students. I think they had 6 hours to answer three hours on their major field exam, and 4 hours to answer two questions on their minor field exam. They are kind of the middle of the program, I knew some people who took their comps while they taking courses (which sounds completely miserable). I think a major field Ph.D comp was over about 80 books.
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 22, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, one more post
Comps are the last thing before attending a residency and getting my dissertation proposal approved (which will hopefully be in November). Once it gets approved (also, hopefully, November), I’ll “only” have the dissertation left.
At that point, Justissarian, I’ll be a doctoral candidate. Otherwise known as ABD. Feel free to insert your own interpretation of those initials.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Good luck.
And remember: it’s a hoop all doctoral students are made to jump through. And if you weren’t ready, they wouldn’t let you jump. (My standard advice to my colleagues behind me in grad school).
by Cuetotally Amazing on Aug 23, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Good luck dude, not that you'll need it
Be prepared to defend Edgar Renteria when you get back.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Aug 23, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So Matt Holliday got a moth stuck in his earhole ...
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
I sometimes watch those "reality" ER shows on Discovery Fit
It’s amazing how many people seem to end up in the ER due to bugs in their ears. Though usually it happens when they’re asleep, not out on the baseball field.
They’re often considered psychiatric cases, because it really freaks them out, and they’re hearing things no one else hears.
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