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This post is not a corporate tie-in with MLB '11 The Show, Comedy's Central's Chapelle's Show or Futurism. With that disclaimer out of the way, it's time to talk Dave Sappelt.

Sappelt was drafted with little fanfare out of Coastal Carolina by the Reds in the 9th round of the 2008 draft. He had been a three-time All Star outfielder in three seasons in the Big South conference. The first mention I can find of him in a Red Reporter post was Farmer's Only from Independence Day, 2008, in which Sappelt was a triple short of the cycle in a game for Billings Mustangs. He starting hitting pretty much right away in Rookie ball, compiling an 850 OPS in in '08. His offense flagged a little in low and high A ball - not at all surprising, given the Reds A+ affiliate was still in Sarasota at the time. The Florida League is famously pitcher-friendly. And to a lesser extent, so is the Midwest League in which low-A Dayton plays. He continued to steal bases, pilfering 47 in 136 games in 2009 across two levels.

As soon as he reached AA Carolina early into 2010, Sappelt's career took flight on the fins of a Mudcat. Sappelt slashed a torrid .361/.416/.548 in 372 AA plate appearances.  He was promoted to Louisville for the final 25 games of the 2010 season and since then has compiled a more svelte, but respectable .316/.374/.464 in 451 PAs with the Bats, though his stolen bases have fallen off since 2010.

In over 800 plate appearances, Sappelt has hit for average, gotten on base and shown good power to the gaps. There's little question both his defense and speed would be an asset in the majors right now. His ability to range around LF is probably on par with Chris Heisey, and elite among anyone currently stuck in that revolving door. The question for Sappelt - and it's a big one facing hitters with his skill-set and draft caliber - is how will his bat play in the major leagues?

Star-divide

The easiest knock against Sappelt is his stature. He's listed at 5'9", which is decidedly short at any position. Average height in the outfield is over 6-ft across all three positions. But this only really matters in a bell curve sort of way - and not any specific way that would limit an individual player's ability to hit the ball, run fast or make catches. Dustin Pedroia is also 5'9" and while he may be in an infielder, that's not relevant when he's at the plate. Is Lenny Dykstra a bad example? For baseball ability, I mean? A smaller strike zone has to cut against some of the disadvantages of stature.

So while Sappelt's height and lack of pedigree will continue to create nagging doubts, he's proven he can hit in the high minors. And his spring spent as Goodyear, AZ's Newest Hitmaker hinted that he might be able to hit major league pitching too. At least major league pitching that's trying not to get injured or is "making adjustments," with some minor league pitching thrown in there too, in a hitter-friendly environment. So just minor league pitching again. Still, his .564/.571/.974 across over 40 Spring PAs was calculator-busting.

A more valid concern that his previous lack of prospect status, in my mind, is his plate approach. Baseball Cube's profile page on Sappelt rates his patience as the weakest, by far, of his 5 attributes. While it should probably be taken with an entire shaker of salt, his walk rate in college was 8.38%, improving each year.  He's also shown improvement in plate discipline over his pro career, reaching its highest rate this year in Louisville (8.93%), while cutting down on Ks at every level since the beginning of 2011 (11.3%, 2010 @ AAA and 11.6% this season).

If Sappelt's walk rate were to settle in between 8-9%, he'd be reaching base by the free pass as much as 50% more than Chris Heisey, at roughly the same rate as Drew Stubbs and about 1% less than Fred Lewis (the Reds' trio of attempted lead-off hitters this season). Sappelt's contact skills, however, might give him a significant advantage in getting on base. If his AA/AAA numbers held, Sappelt would keep a K-rate around 11-12%, he'd be making more contact that all three and almost 3x as much as Stubbs. Sappelt's high average in the minors suggest his contact skills could get him on base pretty often.

The question would then be whether Sappelt could pick good pitches to hit and make good contact against major league pitching, getting hits to fall against major league defenses. Just 31 PAs into his major league career, there's been almost no evidence of any plate discipline or good pitch selection. He's seeing just 3.2 pitchers per plate appearance, has not walked yet, while slapping seven singles. I'm inclined to throw this out entirely: it's a mere 31 PAs at the beginning of an MLB career. The only thing it might be starting to tell us is that is that Sappelt is not yet ready for network primetime.

There's also the question of The Power: Can a shorter player who's never been billed as a power hitter hold down left field? His isolated power has been dropping since he moved up from AA. It's reasonable to put his absolute HR ceiling at 20. How important his power is probably depends again on what you think of his contact skills. Can he continue to hit for average in the majors, pushing his OBP up around .360, while finding the gaps? Not making outs, showing oubles power and good LF defense could make him not only a starter, but a valuable one.

Contact-driven OBP depends more on where the ball is hit, which can make it tempermental. Plate discipline can be less slumpy and power can be a more durable good, inasmuch as the loss of it can mean doubles instead of ground-outs. When Juan Pierre's average fell off 5%, he lost 100 points in OPS. I hate to compare Sappelt to Pierre, but I guess I already did. It's just a cautionary tale.

I don't like to make pronouncements about how players are going to turn out. Even if we know his fortunes are more contingent than some prospects, it's just really hard to know whether and how long it would take for Sappelt's success in the high minors to transfer to the majors. If he can start hitting the ball hard and away from baseball gloves soon, he might be in the starting mix next year. If he can't, he might need to pay another visit to that huge bat they have in Louisville.

Poll
Where do you see Sappelt to start 2012?
Starting LF
93 votes
Platooning in LF
94 votes
4th or 5th OF/Back-up CF
96 votes
Starting in Lousville
64 votes
Traded
23 votes

370 votes | Poll has closed

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A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 17, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Where are the wings?

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

YEAH

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 17, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 17, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What was the bet?

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Aug 17, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Francisco's the only one I'm involved in

And he’s hackin’ away in Louisville.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 17, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

5.5 better.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if the Reds can catch them

but I predict the gap between them will be smaller than that at the end of the season.

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by nycredsfan on Aug 17, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That'd be my guess.

September should make the Reds better… and not help the Cards.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 17, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The walk thing has confused me too.

A few people have suggested that

A. Dusty has given him ‘the talk’.
B. He’ll settle down and start walking and taking some pitches.

In the mean time, it’s probably best that BP has moved into the leadoff spot.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

When I voted platooning in LF

I mean that Yonder should be getting most of the starts right now and I’m recognizing that Heisey is on the DL. If Heisey gets back, I put Sappelt in the 4/5 OF spot and backup CF.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

This is partly why I like starting Alonso in LF.

Sappelt makes a great LIDR on days he’s not starting. If there’s a particularly tough lefty, or a particularly huge OF, start Sappelt.

Kind of like a defensive platoon instead of an offensive one.

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by nycredsfan on Aug 17, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sappelt's absolute power ceiling is, at best 15. He never hit more than 10 in the minors.

More importantly, I think his ISOp ceiling is probably around .150, or league average. (Below avg for a LFer) Which would be OK if his OBP was super high, but I’m not convinced it’s going to be.

We’d like to look at his 8.9% walk rate this year and think that’s the real Sappelt, but even guys with long histories of walking a lot tend to see that dip when they get to the bigs, and Sappelt has a long history of not walking much before this year. I’m afraid he’ll only walk about 5% of the time. With his middling power, that means he’s got to hit for a super high average to have much value….

Which he could, but that’s going to be completely dependent on high BABIPs, which he’s capable of, but you never want to count on a .350+ BABIP to have offensive value.

This, in a nutshell, is my problem with considering him for the everyday LFer job. I think he’s much, much more suited to being a 4th OFer who can back up Stubbs in CF. Which would render Heisey somewhat superfluous.

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by nycredsfan on Aug 17, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Heisey would become Fred Lewis!?

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's fair to say his projection is 4th OF right now

and he’s in a similar boat to Heisey, pre-2010. I think the gap in their ability at the major league level is too big to call them redundant right now, but I agree they profile as basically the same player.

Too much has to go right in too short a time for him to be a productive starter in 2012 I think. Maintainingg his improved walk-rate, depending heavily on in-the-park contact and not having his power vanish entirely.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, it really seems like it's time to sweep out the redundancy in the organization this offseason

These players aren’t all equivalent in talent, but they’re MLB-ready at the same positions: Votto-Alonso. Frazier-END. Heisey-Sappelt-Lewis. And if Hernandez accepted arb, you’d have Hernandez-Hanigan-Mesoraco, with Grandal on the rise.

The extras really need to be flipped to help the team compete.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 17, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

BUTT WHAT ABOUT INJURIES!?!?

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading END

you’d still have Frazier, Cairo and Rolen. I guess I"m talking about the extras on top of the extras.

BUTT GOOD POINT.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 17, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's just hope there are trades to be made.

I’m just very concerned Walt is going to get pennies on the dollar by being “forced” to trade any of Alonso, Grandal, Frazier/END, or one of the LFers.

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by nycredsfan on Aug 17, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The OF free agent market is crappy enough

that either a non-tender or Jeremy Hermida might seriously be the best available signing. So any real improvement in LF would have to be a swap.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 17, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gomes is in the lineup for the Natinals.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

At 2B...

Fuck the hell?

Whatever.

by Ram27 on Aug 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you may be reading that tweet wrong.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

Well, the 2B and Gomes were paired between hyphens

Whatever.

by Ram27 on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still pretty high on him

I think that he could be Carl Crawford-lite, with a tick worse defense and about 15-20 steals or so. That should be good for a 2-3 win player, which is certainly nothing to scoff at. He likely won’t walk much, but he won’t strike out much either. I’d be just fine with making him the starting LF and leading off.

The over-aggressiveness he’s shown so far is concerning, but it’s just 30 PAs. I’ll chalk it up to jitters.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I would gladly take the first several years of Juan Pierre's career from Sappelt, offensively

A good average with lots of steals is pretty valuable. Just don’t be the sucker that gives him $50M when he hits free agency.

by ken on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I would too

but can Sappelt do it out of the gate in 2012? Is there enough upside there to justify the risk?

I think Sappelt’s contact-driven on-base skills are a wash with Heisey’s power. So without a better option – and assuming Alonso isn’t in the mix – one of them should go full-time next year. I’m sick of platoons, partly because they don’t tell you what you need to know.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 17, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jerome Simpson excitedly tweeted congrats to Sappelt when he was called up.

I had forgotten both were Coastal Carolina alums. Maybe Sappelt will pull a Simpson and frustrate and confuse fans for a while and then break out mightily (I realize Simpson’s story is still being written, but let me have the analogy).

by Cuetotally Amazing on Aug 17, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Who the hell are you?

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by nycredsfan on Aug 17, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who the hell are any of us?

/philosophymajor’d

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by nycredsfan on Aug 17, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Aug 17, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay!

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Aug 17, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh

Shows how much I’m paying attention.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 17, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting guy.

Sort of a surprise second round draft pick a few years ago, many fans were upset but he had good raw skills. He sat on the bench for two years, then had two monster games at the end of last season. He is entertaining on twitter (and an interesting guy, despite ’tHan). Supports same sex marriage as well, which is unusual for a pro athlete to announce.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Aug 17, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Told ya so.

During the RR prospect ratings this year, I remember a certain rebellious and non-frequent poster who begged and pleaded for Sappelt to place higher 6th. I know right about now, funk soul brothers, you might even hate yourselves for disagreeing with me and being this very wrong; Fear not!

I propose a recount. I know my authority around here is of legend and I want to put it on the line for Sappets trivial rating.

"Never fight a land war in Asia"

by Excalib8 on Aug 17, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The list is on the sidebar

and after taking a quick glance, I’d still only put him above END.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 17, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beat me to it.

I think 10th was about right for him.

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by nycredsfan on Aug 17, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought 10th was too high for him

he’s proved me wrong at least, for now.

by pack_fan on Aug 17, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So a 4th OFer is a top-5 prospect for us?

the future just got dim

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Aug 17, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

but he's a starter, right?

right?

Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

by joshuar9476 on Aug 17, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

106 Firestarter

"Never fight a land war in Asia"

by Excalib8 on Aug 17, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

#boomroasted

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by jch24 on Aug 17, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And like I said then,

If I knew for sure he was going to stay a reliever, I wouldn’t have voted him any higher than #7 or 8.

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by nycredsfan on Aug 17, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sappelt doesn't deserve to be 6th on that list

But what about Denis Phipps????

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Aug 17, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else call him "Denny Phipps"?

‘cause that’s how I read his name when I see it. I think it sounds cooler. Like he’s a character from a movie or something.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 17, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I pronounce it like one would pronounce "Denise" from time to time

Like I’m seeing something French there. Then again, this is coming from the same guy who pronounced Ronald Torreyes’s name “Tore-eyes”.

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Aug 18, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do too.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

They call him Mr. Phipps.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody following the Finebaum open thread on EDSBS?

Holy hell

There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.

by DTFH91 on Aug 17, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Back to Dave Sappelt:

I wanted to vote boobs
but had to go with starting LF in 2012
Or possibly platooning with Yonder
Or maybe in CF
This kid hits me as a real gamer, he’s fast, puts the ball in play, could be a leadoff man with Cozart in the 2nd slot
He’s got some pop in the old bat as well.
And a sweet compact swing.
That big looping swing of Stubbs is going to be his downfall, already most MLB pitchers have his number.
If the Red’s want to land a top tier experienced pitcher then they will have to trade a big name…Votto? BP? This definitely opens a spot for Yonder either at 1st or 3rd and Frazier either at 3B or 2B. What a young fiesty team the Red’s would have if BP were traded for a great pitcher. Sappelt, Cozart, Votto, Bruce, Frazier, Alonzo, Hannigan,Stubbs and if Chapman goes into the rotation along with Bailey and Cueto and a top tier guy…well sky’s the limit.
Oh you’ve got Hi-Z, Janish and Miggy on the bench along with an up and coming catcher…

Kevin Youkilis: If I were to go anywhere, I would want to go to Cincinnati .

by Madville on Aug 18, 2011 2:55 AM EDT reply actions  

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