Red Reposter - Jay Bruce, Robert Stephenson: Hot or Not?
by ken on Aug 15, 2011 11:01 AM EDT
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- Jay Bruce is hot again. Why isn't he always hot?
Both Hal and the Enquirer comment on Jay Bruce's hot bat and inconsistency. Dusty reminds everyone that "It’s not a finished product at all." He goes one step further with Hal, pointing to Barry Bonds as a comparison: "People forget what Barry hit his first few years. All they remember is the finished product and Bruce isn't a finished product. The product is still in the mold." Streaks and all, Bruce is having his best season to date, with highs in all major categories. For the old-school crowd, he also leads the team in RBIs with 78. - It's signing day for the draftees
Technically, they don't have to sign today since the deadline is 12:01 AM on Tuesday. But we will find out which Reds draft picks will stay with the organization in the next twelve or so hours. This includes first-rounder Robert Stephenson, who should fetch quite the treasure from the Reds if all goes to plan. Jonathan Mayo explains the hold-up: "[T]he high school arms are in a holding pattern, waiting to hear how negotiations for No. 4 Dylan Bundy and No. 7 Archie Bradley (who have the same adviser) are going. Jose Fernandez, Tyler Beede, Taylor Guerrieri, Joseph Ross and Robert Stephenson are all in that prep pitcher boat together." FWIW, Baseball America's Jim Callis expects Stephenson to sign. - Infirmary - Arroyo's Achilles aches; BP's back; Willis wounded
Bronson Arroyo is expected to make his next start on Thursday despite a hurting heel he suffered on Friday, when he made an awkward reach to first base while attempting to beat Jason Bartlett to the bag. His pride, if not the Reds' season, is at stake: "I get paid an awful lot of money to go out there and do my job,. If every little ache and pain kept me off the mound, I'd never put up the amount of innings I know I'm capable of posting. And I think the Castellini family [which owns the team] wouldn't be too happy with me, either."
BP was back and hitting cleanup yesterday. The article suggests that the HBP from Esmil Rogers may have been in retaliation for Brandon's star-gazing on a previous HR. I didn't see any of those games. Is that right?
Finally, Dontrelle Willis was pulled early from yesterday's start with soreness in his left forearm. No word on the severity yet. This is really too bad, as Willis was coming off his best start and looked to be a rotation favorite heading into next year. - Our friend Doug Gray has some observations about Didi Gregorius
And has the video to back it up. Didi is a bit of a forgotten prospect, but maybe he shouldn't be. He's a 21 year-old AA shortstop who's now flashing some decent power for a middle infielder. Keep it up, Mariekson. - More on the Alonso quandry
Yonder Alonso continues to work out at third base during pre-game drills even though he hasn't seen any game time there. And if that's not going to be in Cincinnati, why not give it a go in Louisville? Dusty: "There’s a chance we discussed that. You’d rather do it there than here." Walt: "I don’t know if we will or not. If we do something, we’ll probably do it in the Instructional League." Fayplacement also notes that Scott Rolen has been helping Alonso on the finer points of manning the hot corner.
- Homer Bailey had a good week, dominating the Padres on Friday
Integral to his performance was the moral support of buddy Andy Roddick, who attended the game with his better half. Pictured, but not really pictured, is Brooklyn Decker (HT to OMGReds). And just when it couldn't get better for Homer, he makes JunkStats' All-Adverb Team. - Speaking of junk stats, SBN's Jeff Sullivan found five splits of impossible interest
The most relevant to this audience is Chris Heisey's 1.729 OPS on pulled balls. So while he loses time to Dave Sappelt in the dog days of this season, he at least has this going for him. - Baseball Analytics - Best Offspeed Hitters
Warren Spahn is attributed with saying that "hitting is timing; pitching is upsetting timing." So, a hitter's ability to discern offspeed pitches and then make solid contact are critically important skills. You may be surprised to see that the Reds' top offspeed hitter (by AVG) in the past two seasons - and fourth best in baseball - is Ryan Hanigan. - The deception behind Cueto's corkscrew (ESPN Insider)
Johnny Cueto has been one of the few pleasures of a dreary season, with a new throw-back delivery that is as effective as it is aesthetically pleasing. But how has the corkscrew helped produce such extraordinary results? Besides the obvious deception factor, which helps throw off a hitter's timing and can induce weaker swings on the ball, the delivery also helps keep him from tipping his pitches (he has had intermittent issues in the past with tipping his slider). Additionally, it keeps Cueto from opening his front side too early, which was one of his past issues when he would struggle. The new delivery kind of forces him to stay closed. - Rox weren't insisting on Meso for Ubaldo
In the aftermath of the trade deadline, we find out via Jon Heyman that the Rockies did not insist on Devin Mesoraco, who Heyman calls "untouchable." The Reds and Yankees were believed to have been the favorites before Cleveland swooped in. I wonder what offer the Reds made, but if it didn't include Meso (or presumably Grandal, since Colorado likes their catching prospect) it probably wasn't close to Cleveland's. - Dustoyevsky's Crime and Punishment
Dusty Baker will certainly deny that he's an Idiot. He would have difficulty arguing that he's studious, but I can't say that I've read Crime and Punishment either: "Cliff Notes were the way to go, that little yellow and black book. I read Crime & Punishment that way." When somebody mentioned that Cliff Notes are still available, Baker said, "Really? Don’t tell my son that." Can someone get Dusty the Cliff Notes for the double switch?
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this whole Alonso BS
Is dumber than dumb.
Its beginning to make Walt and Dusty both look like idiots.
How can you let your best hitting prospect get all the way to the majors before you realize he can’t play a position?
Its not like this is some guy they got in a trade…they’ve had their own scouts and coaches with him for 3.5 years now.
Its embarassing.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 15, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed. It is embarrassing
Further, I don’t care how rough his defense is. If you are fielding a lineup consisting of Janish, Cairo, Renteria, and Lewis/Sappelt in the same game, whilst letting Yonder rot on the bench, you also look like an idiot.
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by nycredsfan on Aug 15, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Having said that
The ONLY way this makes sense is if Walt already has plans to trade Votto or him in the offseason. And not like “yeah, I think I’ll shop Yonder around” but more like " this is the trade. It’s happening on Nov. 1st"
I guess we’ll see.
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by nycredsfan on Aug 15, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's making the Trade Deadline Fail look even worse
But hey, at least we’re not the Pirates.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I still don't get why not making a trade when you're below .500 with three teams ahead of you is a failing at the trading deadline
and the pirates are a perfect example as to why
exactly
I’m not sure the value of what the Pirates gave up, but they did little more than rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
They should've traded Yonder and especially Ramon
They’ll lose Ramon for nothing. Maybe they get draft picks, if they offer him arb and if the new CBA doesn’t do away with that whole system.
well yeah
I definitely agree on not dealing Ramon, but I think most people’s cited disappointment at the trade dealine this year is because we didn’t make a big deal to bring in an improvement. Thats probably more what I mean.
I think people are upset because they did nothing
Neither buying nor selling.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I guess thats what I mean
aside from Ramon, I don’t think there was much they could (or should) have done.
We were in a difficult spot
I’m still not too upset about no big moves, but we’re going to lose Hernandez for nothing, and we couldn’t gotten something instead.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Worth noting that the Marlins demoted Logan Morrison this weekend (sorry, Cy)
He could be on his way out this winter, which will logjam the market for young, promising 1B types to some degree.
True
But Votto isn’t young and promising.
This is kind of what I was getting at. If Walt had plans to trade Alonso, it’d be just as easy to leave him in AAA this year. In fact, it’d probably make his trade value even higher because he wouldn’t be accruing meaningless service time.
But if Votto is gone this offseason, it would make sense to keep Alonso up right now, even if Dusty won’t play him. He’s getting used to being in the bigs on a daily basis, he’s getting at least a little PT, and he’s getting to know his teammates.
It’s a crazy theory, but the only other theory that makes any sense is what you say about Dusty just being stubborn and not being on the same page as Walt.
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All this trade Votto stuff is absurd
Joey isn’t going anywhere this offseason. We have him at team friendly rates for the next two years. Yeah, I know we probably can’t afford him after ‘13, but that’s a long way away.
There’s no reason to even consider the possibility this year or next.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's just not true
If you can get excellent players in return, at positions of need, who have many years of team control left, it makes a lot of sense.
You have to divorce any warm fuzzy feelings you have about Votto and think if trading him could improve the team.
For one, Votto’s not really at “team friendly” rates the next 2 years. Compared to free agency yes, but in 2013 he makes 17.5 million. That’s a lot of money. So over the next 2 years, Yonder Alonso probably gives up about 150 points in OPS, but does it for league minimum. I’d argue that if you could get those 150 points of OPS back in the form of an all star left fielder and/or ace pitcher, and get multiple years of team control back in the process, it would improve your team.
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by nycredsfan on Aug 15, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except that never happens
And it’s not going to happen now. I understand the rationale, but this is the most unlikely thing we can speculate on.
It would be a PR nightmare for a regime that is is struggling to hold onto the credibility it gained last year. You simply don’t trade a superstar in his prime in a non-contract year.
Freak out this time next year. His value is not likely to diminish any time soon.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No one is freaking out
And he has a lot more trade value now than he will next offseason.
2 years of control is worth a lot more than 1. (I sound like tHan)
I understand the PR issue, and you are correct that that makes it highly unlikely, but if Walt is serious about improving the team, he should consider it.
Plus, I think having Jose Bautista roaming around in LF might soften the blow of losing Votto.
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it probably
and we can just cross out “Votto” on the jerseys in the pro shop and write “Bautista” without changing the number!
As with anything, it depends on the return
I’m not dead-set against trading Votto, but if the return is anything like what San Diego got – pass. Someone around here tossed the idea out of Ricky Romery and Yunel Escobar for Votto. That’s something I’d think about, but I doubt that would be on the table.
And FTR, I was comparing Logan to Yonder, not Joey. If Logan’s on the market it will be slightly harder to trade Alonso.
I know.
My point was that keeping Alonso on the team only makes sense if you are pretty damn sure he’s going to be on the team next year.
If Walt wants to trade him, he might as well be in AAA. Ergo, a Votto trade seems more likely.
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I think the plan with Alonso is the same as it was since he was drafted
Trade him as soon as we can get the right deal.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I just have a very hard time believing that deal hasn't presented itself
He’s been in the organization for 3 years now.
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I do, too
But it’s the only thing that makes sense.
And Walt has been saying the same thing about every trade for 2 years. Patience.
Everyone in the world knows Alonso isn’t going to be playing any position for the Reds.
This lowers his value. Maybe teams are waiting for the price to come down.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, so,
if teams won’t pay fair value for him, and the Reds can’t/won’t play him, it at least makes sense to consider trading your most valuable trade chip to open a spot for him.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Except Yonder is still a prospect
And Joey is a certain as the line at Sunrise Biscuit Kitchen on Saturday morning.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Or
they just aren’t handling Yonder very well.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we can all agree on that.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's for sure
It still just doesn’t make sense that Walt has stood by and let this happen.
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Really, the issue just comes down to Yonder's career path.
Yonder is still hanging around the Reds organization due to a confluence of events that have limited his value.
*Injuries effected 2009 and 2010 during the time his value was the highest.
*Also during that time, the Reds were unable to find a deal that helped the team.
*All we know is that Seattle wanted Smoak more than Alonso in 2010. Who knows what else never happened. Alonso wasn’t enough to land a SP this year, either.
The upshot of having Alonso still around is basically harmless to the Reds. He’s still a good hitter, he’s still a 1b/DH, he’s still a Votto insurance policy, and he’s still a good trade piece.
The only thing that hurts is seeing a career begin in an unfulfilling way. My heart goes out to Alonso, but the Reds are in good shape still. The LF thing was always a long shot and a bad fit for the Reds. Personally, I’m thankful Dusty killed it right away. Presumably Alonso doesn’t need reps at 1b, so what’s the harm in playing him in LF in AAA? I know our hopes are dashed about him out there, but really, we are better without him out there.
Why is Alonso still on the Reds? Walt is a prospect hoarder and value maven. That’s cool with me, too. He seems to have a precise idea of what he wants and flaunting Alonso to avoid losing value for him is a catch 22.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
Walt's a prospect holder?
He traded Z Stewart to Toronto for Rolen and Haren and others to Oakland for Mulder.
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
True, but he's said recently he hates trading prospects.
The non action at the various deadlines the last 2 years supports that statement somewhat.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
that twas me!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 15, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, let's talk about the Bautista thing...
Has there been anyone with even a shred of credibility talking about it? It’s interesting, but stinks of a rumor somebody just made up.
Hey, Joey’s Canadian… you know who loves Canadians? Canadians!
From Rosenthal:
The rumored trade would have made no sense for the Blue Jays because, even though Joey Votto is Canadian, Bautista’s popularity with fans was made clear as he became the all-time leading vote-getter for the All-Star Game. Bautista is more athletic than Votto, which presumably makes him more versatile, and he’s signed to a much better contract.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no shred of truth to that rumor.
Fay cited a friend of a reader who has a job “in baseball.” Seriuosly.
Wasn't that where all this Votto speculation started?
The most groundless of groundless rumors?
Come on, people.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
it is a baseless rumor
my interest in discussing it, though, is generated by the very real problem we’ll have in keeping Votto. It suggests that some kind of move will have to be made and maybe it’s a bit early to speculate on it—I’m sure the failed season has a lot to do with that.
I think you really nailed it
I think we all expected (for good reason) to be talking about the playoffs right now and enjoying year two of supporting a good team. The fact that we don’t even know why we’re in this position doesn’t help things.
Mass disappointment is causing delusions.
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure it's causing delusions
but maybe a bit of “depressive realism”. We are looking at the unpleasant things we have to deal with perhaps a bit prematurely
Getting Bautista is probably delusional, but trading Votto I don’t think is
I said it at the time
Fay makes this wildly speculative idea from someone he knew, and crosses it through his blog making it seem like it was a rumor. I thought it was some pretty questionable journalism, but I guess now-a-days that really isnt questionable journalism.
Let's not lower the bar on journalism.
Let’s just admit that Fay =/= journalism…not that much does these days.
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it's a completely baseless rumor.
But there has been no talk of trading Yonder either. It just seems like either Yonder, Votto, or Dusty needs to be gone this offseason, and it’s more fun to talk about trading Votto than either of the other two.
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You have a strange definition of fun.
by the finest muffins on Aug 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
MORE fun.
You want to talk about who should replace Dusty instead?
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A bucket of chicken
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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depending on your definition of a baseless rumor, Alonso's in like all of them.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
PR issues go away if Walt makes a good trade and it propels the Reds to the playoffs in 2012
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 15, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true
The off-season will be spent with much wailing and gnashing of teeth, but if the team is still competitive it’ll be “a new Tampa Bay Rays” kinda story.
Of course, they’d have to win. If they didn’t, they lose many of us forever. That’s a huge gamble, and precisely why it won’t ever happen.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, it's all about the return
It was a huge PR loss to trade Sean Casey. But the problem wasn’t that he was traded, it’s that he was traded for Dave Williams.
I’d argue that Casey was loved more than Votto is, but if by trading him you build a team that wins 90 games, it isn’t a problem.
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Casey was beloved in a different way than Votto is.
He was a local favorite who made a few All-Star games in the lean years (mostly because somebody had to.) Joey Votto is a league superstar, an MVP, on the cover of Sports Illustrated, and ALSO a local favorite. My point is that he’s not just likable, he’s GOOD, and I think even casual fans could make that distinction. The outcry would be huge regardless who he nets. Even if the return improves the team, I think there would be an insane public backlash.
Either way, I really really really don’t want to talk about this possibility, so I’m going to excuse myself from the conversation. Like our boys in red, I’m traveling from Cincinnati to DC today.
by the finest muffins on Aug 15, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind discussing the possibility
but I started imagining Bautista in a #19 Reds jersey and I felt dirty, so I may need to back away for a bit too
Dear everyone,
Ramon Hernandez is on my flight.
That is all.
-the finest muffins
by the finest muffins on Aug 15, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not that person.
No way. Also, no camera.
by the finest muffins on Aug 15, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah.
But I can’t get photos off my phone, so it wouldn’t do me any good. Also, still not that person. I’ll leave the kids alone.
by the finest muffins on Aug 15, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome!
You should definitely say hi!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least his family is on my flight.
He might just be hanging around the gate until the team flight leaves. I don’t know.
by the finest muffins on Aug 15, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
dont you have to go thru TSA checkpoint to get to the gate?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
Yeah.
Do you not have to do that for a chartered flight? Anyway, it’s looking more and more like he’s going to be on the flight.
by the finest muffins on Aug 15, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
everybody has to go through TSA if they are going to use a gate
if people on chartered flights were an exception, in theory somebody on a chartered flight could take a weapon past security and give it to somebody on a regular flight.
Sometimes airlines do issue gate passes so family members can go to the gate to see their loved one off.
It will get better.
Your experience does not fit into his reality
Therefore it never happened. Sorry dude.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
that is why
the flights that leave lunken are under different rules because i think flights that have less than 44 people don’t have to pass through TSA.
It will get better.
lunken shouldnt even be an airport
they’d probably secure a zeppelin better than airports in columbus, however.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
but think about it
anybody who can get to the “sterile” area without going through a checkpoint of a commercial airport could be used as a weapon or a weapon mule.
An organization that does its homework could see that Scott Rolen is a devoted family man, and threaten himself and his family if he doesn’t carry something to the sterile area for somebody else to pick up.
That is the governments justification for patting down the elderly and the extremely young. Not so much that they would hatch a plot themselves, but they could be used by somebody else.
It will get better.
Muffins flies 1st class!!!!
You should take a picture with him and your clutch purse.
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by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
Just hanging out at the gate since the flight’s delayed.
by the finest muffins on Aug 15, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're right
the rational thing to do with Votto would be to trade him since we will not be able to pay him what he wants after 2013. 2013 is his priciest year. Why pay him all the 2013 money if you aren’t going to keep him after that? Thus, the most reasonable choice would be to trade him to get something good before you have to pay him 2013 money and lose him anyway.
GlennBraggs has a point that it probably won’t happen this off season, but i’m sure it’s going to happen.
I'd rather it be next offseason
There is really no good reason that, if the 2012 season started tomorrow, the Reds won’t have as good of a chance as anyone to get to the playoffs. Especially with Pujols and Fielder perhaps gone. May as well go into 2012 at full bore.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
that is my feeling as well
it will be harder to move him after 2012, but the whole goal is to win. One more year of Votto before he gets more expensive, will help us do that
Sure, but the point here is
This team isn’t really full bore, even with Votto. They have huge questions in LF, at 3B, and in the rotation.
If you can solve one or more of those issues by trading him, you do it. And the forgotten thing is that you’d be replacing Votto with a well above average hitter at 1B. There would be a dropoff, but you’d still be getting very good production from your 1B.
I don’t want to trade Votto just to trade him, but either he or Alonso needs to be gone this offseason, and my personal feeling is that it’s at least possible that trading Votto would improve the team more.
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I think any team who wants Votto will give up players that will be good 2, maybe 3 years from the trade
but not immediately. Votto is a “win now” piece, and flaws aside, the Reds don’t have a good reason not to win now.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Pythagoras had a really low xFLiP.
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by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree on the win now part
This is a deeply flawed team.
SS, 3B, LF, and the rotation are all huge question marks. I don’t see Walt dealing with all of them in the offseason, and I could see him not dealing with ANY of them.
Without addressing at least 1 or 2 of those areas, this is a “sneak into the playoffs and get swept 1st round” type of team.
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if we had one more solid starter
we’d be in much better shape. The terrible performance by the starting pitchign early in the season fried the bullpen and a weak rotation makes putting together a good streak almost impossible. Wasn’t there some James Shields rumors flying around?
I'm still holding out for a James Shields offseason trade featuring Yonder.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Aug 15, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's the same brawl as this one:
Jonny showing people how to really throw down. I kinda miss the guy, as poor of a baseball player as he is.
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night
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Sure, I can see that rationale too
that trading him next offseason might make more sense.
But the problem is, any team trading for him knows they are only getting him for one year, at a pretty pricy rate, too. So I think his value would be much higher this offseason.
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agreed
it may make netting Bautista completely impossible (which may be difficult at this point anyway)
well, I see a different problem.
If you wait another year to trade Votto, where does that leave Alonso for 2012?
Do you trade him to augment the team for a 1 year run with Joey, or do you keep him in purgatory for yet another year while you wait to trade Joey?
Isn’t he out of options as of next year?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 15, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yonder's got to go
And he should already be on. That’s on Walt.
I just can’t stand that everyone is starting to get used the idea of trading the best hitter we’ve had SINCE JOE MORGAN while he’s still under contract.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
But I don’t think it’s that people WANT to trade Joey (I don’t think anyone seriously does), but rather that the idea of trading Joey shouldn’t be taboo.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
no one wants to see him go less than I do, but it would be bad for the team to keep him under the wrong conditions, or worse, see him go and be unprepared to live without him
Exactly.
It’s all about leveraging talent and resources.
I don’t want to trade Votto, but I also kind of don’t want to pay him $17.5 million in 2013. (I know, it’s not my money). That’s going to be a huge chunk of team payroll and will really limit the kind of team Walt can put around him. Having Votto kick ass in 2013 while the team wins 79 games and Arroyo pitches 180 IP of 5.90 ERA baseball isn’t going to be any fun.
And even more, I REALLY don’t want to watch him play out his contract and then walk to the Yankees in 2 years while the Reds get nothing. That would be a huge failure of the FO and would set the team back a fair bit.
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The Reds are set to contend for the World Series for the next two years
As long as the brass thinks that (and they do, with very good reason), they will not trade their best player.
While it may not be a crazy idea, and it’s not, it’s not an idea anyone is going to take seriously.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this
It could make a lot of sense to trade Votto. The FO doesn’t care about that though, at least not right now.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I'm glad you agree
Yesterday was hard for me, you know.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Like in a parent's hurts-me-more-than-you way?
You got to take it all out on me with your mod powers.
Are we friends again? Name buddy…
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yeah, I don't think Logan is in the discussion with Fielder and Pujols. Joey is.
And for a team that doesn’t have the willingness to commit to 8 years, but does have prospect depth, Joey is the perfect fill.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree. At this point I'm imploring them, PLEASE send him back to AAA. He needs plate appearances.
WHO CARES that he sucks in left field? We’re 11 games out!
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
It's looking more and more like Walt and Dusty aren't on the same page
The plan for Yonder for this year was to work him out in LF, which they did in Louisville. Then, Jocketty clears a spot in Cincinnati by trading Gomes, and … Yonder is called up to pinch hit. Walt and Dusty even sound like they have different plans when it comes to whether Yonder should try 3B in Louisville. I’m really starting to think that Dusty is done after this season.
How do you feel about that?
Is a new manager a good thing or a bad thing? Or a meh thing?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Leaning towards 'meh'
I do think Dusty’s gotten too much of the blame for this year, but I also think his strength in managing personalities can be found elsewhere. But I don’t really know who else is out there and available. Experience should be a prerequisite because I don’t think a rookie manager would be a good idea.
Lou!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 15, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
time to bring back my signature ...
bring back pete … mackanin that is
i kid (or do i?)
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
Davey Johnson would have been the perfect hire...2 years ago.
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
cool
as i understand it, dusty is under contract for next season & walt is not.
i assume ownership prefers walt to dusty though
I dunno
While Walt was seemingly hand-picked by Banana Bob, I think the same can be said for Dusty. I recall the scuttlebutt at the time of Baker’s hire was that Krivsky wanted McKannnnnn but Bob wanted a marquee name.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
But yeah
I agree that if he had to choose (and I don’t think he does), Bob would pick Walt.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
But Bob's loyalties are clearly more for Walt than Dusty.
Walt is an old friend. Dusty may have had the experience Bob wanted, but at the end of the day, he was still Krivsky’s hire.
I’m not convinced Dusty is gone, but he has about a million times better chance of being gone come March than Walt does.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
What if Walt is retiring
and Bavasia was hired to take his place
It will get better.
by Yossarian22 on Aug 15, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Shut up!
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Aug 15, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck you.
Fuck you right in your mouth.
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
not only that, but Heisey gets hurt
and Yonder STILL can’t get ABs.
It’s ridiculous!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 15, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Truly
I’m not going to hate on Sappelt here, but I do think he is going to disappoint most people. He is clearly a hacker, and without plus power, his BABIP isn’t going to be high enough to be a decent hitter.
I think he’ll make a nice 4th OFer who can back up Stubbs, but I don’t think there’s any way he’s a starting LFer in the bigs, and he’s definitely not a good leadoff hitter. (except to Dusty, who loves hackers with bad OBPs who can run fast)
Of course, I’m totally willing to give him the chance to prove me wrong, but I just wonder how long he’ll be allowed to scuffle while Yonder sits the bench. If Sappelt can put up a .700ish OPS but Yonder can put up .850ish, is the defensive difference enough to make up that difference?
It feels so nice to be back to normal
No he is not a hacker!
he was very patient in AAA, either Dusty told him to be more aggressive or he is still nervous.
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
Or he's a hacker
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
He wasn't "very patient" in AAA
His walk rate was 8.9%, or just a bit above average.
But that was by far the highest walk rate of his career. His rates before that were more like 6% or so, which is below average.
It’s possible he has suddenly become average at walking, but his limited time in the bigs indicates otherwise.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Walk rate though
I’m saying, when I saw him, he was taking pitches and building up the count. Since he is so small he only gets a few “good pitches” so he hops on them.
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
How many games did you see him?
I’m just saying that, so far in his very small MLB sample, he is a hacker. That, combined with his traditionally low walk rates, tells me he’s not going to be a very good hitter for a LFer, and definitely not a good leadoff guy.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Considering what he's done the last two years
There’s a good chance he’s a .300 hitter.
Pitch selectivity is more than BB rate.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say there's a chance he's a .300 hitter. Not a good one.
He had a .348 BABIP in AAA. For a guy with below average power, there’s a very, very small chance he maintains that in the majors. He won’t beat out as many groundballs, not as many flyballs will fall in, etc.
And he won’t have the hard hit gapper doubles and homers to keep his average up. So if he’s not homering, not walking, and his BABIP is closer to .320 or so, he’s not a very valuable hitter.
Like I said, I hope I’m wrong.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Add in all the wasted ABs that Dusty will feed him...
…plus the innumerable SB attempts (at 72% success, I’d wager), and that’s 2 wins flushed down the toilet per season, methinks.
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
A 6.7% walk rate (more or less)
is not “very patient” at all.
8.9% is decently patient.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
not a dig at you but...
Sappelt gets the “nerves” defense. Alonso doesn’t. Chicago is a weird outfield and it made Yonder look bad. At least try him again, jeepers Dusty.
A Ongreed the Deserving
-coviner's lawful neutral Paladin / Debutante character
This is probably dumb...
but hell, couldn’t Rolen be a player-manager? Start himself once or twice a week while coaching up Frazier and/or Alonso. He’s definitely the main clubhouse presence right now, so I think the team would have no problem accepting him.
Or did Pete ruin this concept forever?
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
I thought some team might give the player-manager thing a shot again,
if for no other reason than to be cheap. But most GMs are too afraid to be different. It’s a shame, because I’d like to see this tried.
Personally, I think this is a truly awful idea
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Agreed
I don’t think today’s player would go for this.
If anyone could do it, I think Rolen’s well-respected, but I don’t think he’s given any indication that he’d be into managing. He’s a lead by example type.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe that's why they signed Cairo for the 2nd year!
He’s our manager in 2012!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 15, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
so
if he’s at third, and visits the pitcher… does that count?
A Ongreed the Deserving
-coviner's lawful neutral Paladin / Debutante character
I think they must have expected to have traded him by now
And maybe they’ve changed their minds about trading him, with the smoke signals from Joey’s camp indicating he won’t be sticking around much longer.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That Heisey stat is endlessly entertaining
It seems like he’s really taken advantage of the short LF fence at GABP. In fact, 8 of his 12 homers have come there, and they’ve all be pulled.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
he's like a Baby Batista.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
His spray chart shows that he makes a fair amount of opposite field contact
A lot of outs to RF, but a few that were fairly deep.
For being a millionaire athlete at a prep school game and married to one of the concensus most beautiful women in the world
Andy Roddick is really likable.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I've always really liked Roddick
I just wish he was better at tennis.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
he's the Ernie Els of tennis.
How many times has he lost to Federer in semi’s or finals?
He’s like 2-16 vs. him all-time, including several ridiculous finals (the Wimbeldon one being the most ridiculous.)
He’s a smidge from having one 3 or 4 majors.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 15, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing that's probably true of a few tennis players
playing during the era of Federer…Nadal…and now Nojak
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I think a good nickname for him is No-Djok
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man, you don't know Jack
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
"Is Wayne Brady gonna have to Djokovic?!"
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 15, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
He hasn't been good in a long time.
He hasn’t even made a semi or final of a GS in years.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
So much to be indignant about in Redsland today
I continue to be baffled by the unrealistic and unfair expectations put on Bruce.
Ignoring the fact that he’s the second best hitter on a good offensive team, it kills me that he has a great streak like right now (1.098 OPS in his last 70 PAs) and all anyone can ask is “Why can’t he do this all the time?”
Well, because pretty much no one does that all the time. Edgar Renteria’s “good” streak that is going to make me shut up about him is about an .820 OPS, yet no one asks why he sucked so bad the rest of the year.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
"Red Reporter - So much to be indignant about in Redsland today"
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
He's having a great year
But because we pay so close attention to everything he does, we magnify every slump.
There’s a ton of great hitters out there who have had worse slumps than Jay has this year, but we don’t notice them.
I don’t worry about Jay at all.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone else seen how good the number 3 overall pick has been doing?
Trevor Bauer is a K machine!
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=545333
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
great, just what the Diamondbacks needed.
The rich get richer in baseball, I tell ya.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Alfonso Soriano cleared waivers and the Cubs are willing to eat a ton of the contract
Anyone interested?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
No
He’s been a below average hitter and terrible fielder this year. Both figure to get worse over the next couple of years.
I’d much rather have Yonder in LF.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Yep.
Yonder > Soriano in many ways.
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear god, no
He was horrible in LF with the Nationals before he went to the Cubs…and he hasn’t gotten much better in the field
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
For everyone tired of my anti-Grantland rants
Bethlehem Shoals and his gang are coming out with a competitor.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Looks pretty good
I’ve enjoyed Roth’s stuff on The Awl before
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Tim Marchman can really write
I hope this thing gets their $50k.
One of these days I’m going to link Grantland to see if you’re paying attention.
I'd believe you if this was a Red Sox site
or a mediocre bands from 2002 site.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
Interpol is fucking awesome.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i like franz ferdinand's old stuff
/hipster’d
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Oh, Inverted World < Chutes Too Narrow
Discuss.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Aug 15, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so...I mean, I really don't care about the Shins all that much.
But I thought Inverted World was more enjoyable than Chutes.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Aug 15, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Tagline
Red Reporter – We Were Hipsters Before It Was Cool
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
They've been opening for U2
Which seems like a very strange pairing. Plus, they’re not exactly a new, up-and-coming band at this stage.
I think he was being sarcastic.
I went to a hipster show last night at a friend’s loft; Helado Negro from New York. He’s on the same record label as Sufjan.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
I'm aware
I’ve been a closet Interpol fan for a while, but then again I’ve always cheered for the law and order types.
I've always liked their first two records
but my taste in music is frozen circa ‘05. I don’t think I’ve picked up but maybe a half dozen new things since then.
Where did my youth go?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I've picked up way too many records since 2007 or so
Pretty much doubled my collection
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Yeah
2002 was 9 years ago. Where did my youth go?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Muse opened for them on their last tour.
It’s twice now they’ve gotten an English band from 5 years ago to pair with an Irish band from 15 years ago.
And yeah, I like Interpol and Muse.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
those are excellent choices
i saw that the avett brothers will be playing at rupp in a couple of months.
still havent seen jack johnson live
he’s on the short list. along with ziggy marley.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
im looking forward to next year's lollapalooza
21st anniversary and all.
if the Reds are in town that weekend for the third consecutive year the local yokels are roadtripping to CHI.
MARGARITAVILLE CHICAGO!!!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
Want to be an asshole to your neighborhood Cardinals fan?
John Jay is hitting a robust .207/.233/.259 since Rasmus was traded away.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
110 OPS points is nothing?
It still sucks, but is WAY better than Jon Jay.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Man, SO much to be indignant about
Arroyo is delusional.
“I get paid an awful lot of money to go out there and do my job,. If every little ache and pain kept me off the mound, I’d never put up the amount of innings I know I’m capable of posting. And I think the Castellini family [which owns the team] wouldn’t be too happy with me, either.
"
Yes, Bronson, you DO get paid an awful lot of money to do your job. Unfortunately, doing your job involves more than taking the mound and throwing 86 mph meatballs. If you can’t do your job well, sit the fuck down and let someone else do it better.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Yeah, I've come around to the idea that
The streak is more important to him than being a good pitcher.
Not that I really fault him for it, he expects the same thing to happen every year. He probably doesn’t understand why he’s sucking, just like we can’t explain the team’s record.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Aug 15, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So much for loyalty, eh?
Arroyo is a gamer, of course hes gonna keep taking the ball. Who’s spot is he taking? Edinson?? The season has been lost since the near beginning, dusty ain’t got the horses to run with the true contenders this year.
This team has been overrated all season, check the preseason predictions many of us made.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
I don't think any of us were delusional in thinking we could repeat as division champs.
Most of the big baseball writers/talking heads have been saying that the Reds are one of the more disappointing teams this year. Meaning, they had what it takes, but under-performed.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
And Bronson, OBWOK's "gamer"
has been one of the biggest disappointments.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
So in your smugness I guess you'll fail to mention that
2 of the biggest reasons this team was overrated was because of the complete failing of your 2 boys, Rolen and Arroyo.
And FWIW, Arroyo’s ERA isn’t that much better than Volquez’s this year, and Volquez has been pitching really well in AAA.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
you take the good, you take the bad
Arroyo and Rolen contributed mightily to the 2010 NL Central Division championship.
I said preseason holes were too big in LF and SS for this team to compete. i expected more injuries this season than the Reds had, the ballclub has been pretty healthy ytd. Rolen was a no-brainer, just hoped to squeeze 100 games out of him.
Arroyo, Wood and Edinson sucked worse than i anticipated they would. Cueto was better. So was Leake.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
jch says minor league numbers have little bearing on MLB production!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
Who Would we Get for Votto?
I know we’ve talked this to death, but let’s be realistic. Look at the last time we traded a “star” (in other words, not Adam Rosales or Gomes). We got an opening day pitcher who needed Tommy John and is now in AAA. Again. We got a diminutive reliever who got demoted, then got a DUI, then got released. They got Josh Hamilton.
Stools are where once upon a time you'd find a chair. A chair's for fools! Everybody wants stools!
by ClownPenis.Fart on Aug 15, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
It's a valid question. The Hamilton comp is not.
Hamilton was essentially still a prospect when he was traded. A prospect with a ton of potential but a million question marks.
Votto is a polished, finished product, sure-thing superstar. Having said that, the return would likely be prospects, in which case I’m not interested either.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I agree. Plus, I think it's hard to guage value for contracts that have more than one year on them.
In some sense I think trading a star with one year left is less risky because the negotiation terms are more clear. Often, I think, the team trading the player with more years can lose value. If the demand is high for a player, just getting them for a year is a huge coup for a team. Then all the talk about extensions can begin, etc. I don’t see many teams willing to part with a prospect package like what Halladay brought in x 2, for example, which from the Reds perspective would only be fair. That is, establish a prospect package for 1 year for Votto, then just double it. That would gut any teams minor league system. A Votto trade just has to involve at least one excellent MLB player.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
Wish Bos and NYY didn't have stub 1B
The market for votto would be much better.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
It would also seem dumb to trade Votto this offseason just because of what
is going on in the 1B FA market with Pujols and Fielder being available. There’s only so many teams that can take on a big contract 1B.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
That's actually a really fair point
Aside from the wisdom of trading him in a vacuum, this offseason might not be the best time because of them.
OTOH, perhaps a team who couldn’t afford an 8 year mega deal for one of those guys might really like the safety of getting Votto on a 2 year deal.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I guess there is that other side of the coin.
Although, there are only so many teams that
A: Need a 1B
B: Can afford a superstar 1B
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
but Votto isn't exactly a big contract.
For a team like Toronto or an AL West team that can’t take payroll but has the prospects, it would be a different type of value. As much as Joey’s in the same market as the other two, he’s also not in other ways.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
True.
He wasn’t a complete package by then, but he seemed to have the makings of one. Sort of between prospect and star. I guess my point is not to compare, but to rationalize being gun shy or at the very least very deliberate and careful. If we can’t get a real “superstar” (there’s that word again) then a trade would be a mistake, at least this offseason.
Stools are where once upon a time you'd find a chair. A chair's for fools! Everybody wants stools!
by ClownPenis.Fart on Aug 15, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Herrera got charged with public intoxication for walking home from the bar instead of driving.
Completely different, FTR. (and prolly should be legal)
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was being hostile to a cab driver, who in turn kicked him out,
and that is why Lefty Smurf was walking down the highway.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Also should be legal. :)
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
BomerHailey joins the list and vets Ram27 and pack_fan move into a tie for 3rd ... crolf and i remain tied for 1st
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Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
and Charlie's consistency almost paid off with the prediction of the year ... though he did move up one more spot
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
its 2 points for guessing the correct score right?
thought I had 7 in the last one of these you posted
I think the ones in the first comment and honorable mentions are better
Mike Cameron and Pokey Reese would also fit. And of course, Jon Coutlangus.
The suggestions in the comment are mine.
I think the article in general is a big swing and a miss.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Yeah. Dibble and Sabo don't work at all because they were very good players.
And a Milton jersey lacks subtlety. Agree that Pappas would be great.
Yeah, why Gary Nolan?
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 15, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're going with a BRM designee, I'd pick Driessen
Never really lived up to his promise or was able to fill Perez’s shoes. Pretty good symbol for the death of the BRM.
I'd like me a Cody Ross jersey
5 ABs as a Red and a perfect symbol of “deal-of-the-day” Krivsky’s tenure.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 15, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim Edmonds
Jeff Reardon
Bill Doran
Bill Gullickson
Pete Schourek
Steve Avery
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
A for Reardon.
A+ for Tekulve?
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill Doran's dad and my grandfather are good friends.
My grandparents have all kinds of Bill Doran shwag in their basement.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Paul Noce would be a good one.
Poffo is a great one. A really good analogy is that these are the “deep tracks” of a really great band. They may not be hits, but they’re sometimes tastier.
I’d add these:
Ted Power
Rob Murphy
Tom Hume
Darnell Coles
Candy Sierra
Adam Pettyjohn
Clay Carroll
Royce Clayton
Ryan Freel
Todd Coffey
Chad Moeller (local combo uni)
Jung Keun Bong is stellar
Joe Randa
Wily Mo Pena (I’d get this as WILY MO, not PENA)
Mark Wohlers
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
My list of players would probably include:
1. Hector Mercado
2. Brian Shackelford
3. C.J. Nitkowski
4. Javier Valentin (though only as LLM)
5. Brooks Kieschnick
6. Todd Van Poppel
how have the Reds not had a promotion
where they give away tees that are vests with comic-book biceps attached and KLUSZEWSKI 18 on the back?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i like
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
by PeteyHendrix on Aug 15, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
7th row tickets for Jimmy!
I hope Dave bautistas greatest fan is next to us!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
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