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The Reds lost a baseball game today, and kcgard2 lost a few arguments. 7-3 Padres, 2-0 Charlie Scrabbles.

Sam I Am, down with the program

Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game


Sam LeCure.  Yosemite Sam, in accordance with his name, was LeCure for an ailing Reds pitching staff.  After Dontrelle Willis left in the 3rd inning with a sore forearm, Sam pitched 2 1/3 innings of perfect relief.  Honorable mentions to Jay Bruce and Joey Votto. Bruce drove in all three of the Reds runs with a homer and Votto reached safely three times (two walks and a single). 

Key Plays

In the 3rd inning, four singles, two walks, and two wild pitches led to four runs for the Padres.  

In the bottom of the 4th, Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips earned walks before Jay Bruce hit a home run into the right-center field seats.  It was the first hit of the day for the Reds.

In the 7th, Alberto Gonzalez drew a walk to lead off the inning.  Jose Arredondo was able to retire the next two batters before Orlando Hudson O-Dawg'd a pitch down the RF line for a run-scoring triple.  5-3 Daddy-Os.

In the 8th, the Pads added another run on an HBP, a fielder's choice, and a single.  6-3.

The Reds rallied in the 8th, with Sappelt and Renteria singling with one out.  Joey Votto then strode to the plate to face Luke Gregerson and he hit one a ton.  It looked like he tied it up, but unfortunately, Cam Maybin was able to snag it just shy of the wall.  Almost.  Dang.  BeeP then flied out to thwart the threat.

In the 9th the Padres added another run off of Aroldis Chapman.  Cam Maybin was credited with an infield single when he hit a sharp ground ball to BeeP.  The throw was off line though and pulled Votto off the bag.  He stole second before a wild pitch moved him to third.  Then, with the infield pulled in, Jason Bartlett tapped a routiner to Edgar Renteria.  But he was playing too far in and it got past him for a run-scoring single.  7-3 Padres.

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via www.fangraphs.com

Star-divide

Other Notes

Dontrelle Willis left the game in that cursed 3th inning due to forearm soreness rather than ineffectiveness (though the causal relationship is hardly arguable).  He'll be re-examined tomorrow.

The Padres are 38-7 in games in which they lead after the 6th inning.  

Jay Bruce has hit a home run in three straight games and five in the last week.  El Jefe es en fuego.  

Today was Walt Jocketty's 40th anniversary with his wife, Sue.  They spent the day at the ballpark together.  She seems like a sweet gal.

Dave Sappelt's pitch selection is very concerning.  He already has a reputation for aggressiveness, and he saw a total of seven pitches in his first three PAs.  In his PA in the 8th inning though he looked much better, keeping his bat on his shoulder while the pitcher filled up the count.  He then lined the 3-2 pitch into LCF for a single.  So that's definitely something to keep an eye on moving forward.

The earned run Chapman allowed in the 9th broke a personal 12-game scoreless streak for The Cubandolero.  He had pitched 13 2/3 innings while allowing only three singles and four walks while striking out 22(!!).  

Also of note regarding Chapman, the two strike outs he got today means he has recorded a strike out in every appearance he has made since returning from the disabled list, save for one.  

 

 

The Reds 20-game winning streak ends at four.

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"The Reds 20-game winning streak ends at 4" = :-D

I’ve been pretty unimpressed with Sappelt. He’s Lewis’d a few balls I thought he’d get to and his bat has been…disappointing. I like to think Baker told him not to swing until there were 2 strikes in that last at bat.

All he’s done so far is make me pine for Hipster Heisey. Not what I was hoping he’d do.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 14, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, he's pretty disappointing

I expected better things after the Cubs game, it sounded like he did well

Whatever.

by Ram27 on Aug 14, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might just need a little more marinating down on the farm

He’s a year younger than Frazier and Cozart, and this is their second (almost) full year in Louisville, while Sappelt hasn’t had a full year in AAA yet.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, he is still young

and he is hitting the ball right at people. He will come around.

Cingrani for 2012 Closer!

by OGC Reds on Aug 14, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's also one of the most aggressive hitters I've ever seen.

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by crolfer on Aug 14, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he hasn't been that way in the minors

He’s taken more walks than Zack Cozart in Louisville this year, even though he played in fewer games. And this year wasn’t that atypical for him.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

he must jsut be trying too hard

or Dusty gave him the aggressive hitting talk

by Red_Poodle on Aug 14, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Now that you mention it…Dusty does like his players to swing early in the count.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

makes Brandon Phillips look patient

or Corey Patterson

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Aug 14, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sappelt is the real deal.

He’s just young and pressing a tad…but he’s going to be a good ballplayer, real good.

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by Madville on Aug 15, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

This has got to be the quickest a recap has ever gone up

I will take credit for that. And history will view my arguments kindly, I have faith.

It’s OK, I still love ya, scrabs.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Aug 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, also, it should be

El Jefe está en fuego.

Go ahead, argue this one…

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Aug 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feeding block text into an online translator!?

Cmon Chuck! Even 6th graders know that isn’t gonna fly if anyone is checking!

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Aug 14, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's close enough

It’s not like they pay me or anything.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

boom, roasted

Changing state=use estar.

Come on, Chuck. Even I know that.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiss my culo, pene breath.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Language, you two

There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.

by DTFH91 on Aug 14, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

damned terrorists.

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by crolfer on Aug 14, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Maybe he is saying

that El Jefe is equivalent to, identical with, the very embodiment of en fuego.

Something like, “I looked up En Fuego in the dictionary, and there was a picture of El Jefe.”

Tryin’ to help a bro out, Charlie.

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by bbjones on Aug 14, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

Might be 3-0 Scrabbles now.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine

I’ll be generous and give Scrabbles yet another draw

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Aug 15, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like quick recaps. Hit the high points and chat away. The old lady however…

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Aug 14, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

High five!

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

WLB v Box o' Rocks

I almost feel bad for Edwin Jackson

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Aug 14, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure, Sappelt is better that Alonso in LF...

but is he so much better than the bat difference?

Put him out there… but put Sappelt back out when Cueto pitches… don’t want to risk the ERA :)

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by supergrover on Aug 14, 2011 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

when's Chris Heisey coming back?

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a more important sports front:

The Sabremorticians 518.03
Match Up
Hometown Hackers 364.37

A crushing victory for Mad’s Sabremetric Fantasy Baseball team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin Youkilis: If I were to go anywhere, I would want to go to Cincinnati .

by Madville on Aug 14, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, look, a LF that may be undervalued by his current team!
The Marlins demoted their starting leftfielder to Triple-A New Orleans late Saturday, the same day — coincidentally or not — that Morrison declined to attend a meet-and-greet with season ticket holders.

According to the Palm Beach Post, Morrison plans to consult with the players’ union to see if he has grounds for a grievance.

“We are going to, with absolute certainty, explore this and contact the union and make sure Logan’s rights are protected,‘’ agent Fred Wray told the Post on Sunday. "It doesn’t seem like everything adds up here.’’

Morrison’s actions Saturday may have been in protest of a botched charity event. According to the Post, Morrison on Thursday had to cancel a charity bowling tournament because, he said, the Florida Marlins Community Foundation didn’t sell enough lanes in advance.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Morrison's defense in left is below average at best

and he should be a first baseman

I’ll stick with Yonder

What's your spaghetti policy?

by DannyGraves on Aug 14, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate being a trade speculator

But a Yonder for Morrison trade would probably work out well for both teams roster-wise. Gaby Sanchez isn’t exactly a world beater and it doesn’t look like any of the Marlin’s top prospects are first basemen. Meanwhile, Morrison is a LF who plays decent defense and thus will go a bit of a ways toward Dusty-proofing the 2012 roster.

Plus, if Morrison has pissed off ownership, the GM will be under as much pressure to unload the guy as we are for finding Alonso a place to play everyday. If not, I wouldn’t mind giving up a non-catcher or two to sweeten the deal.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

how fast is LoMo?

I really like the guy, both in real life and on Twitter. But I’d like him at the top of the lineup if he can do things like 2010.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yonder for Morrison

no

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by supergrover on Aug 15, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Logan is exactly like Yonder in that he is (clearly) out of position in LF. He may be slightly better defensively, but maybe slightly worse with the bat too.

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by kcgard2 on Aug 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh, boy

I can’t see him going over well with Walt & Co.

Morrison — along with Helms, according to the Palm Beach (Fla.) Post — has criticized shortstop Hanley Ramirez, the team’s star player who’s on the disabled list with a shoulder injury. According to a June report in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Morrison confronted Ramirez about arriving at the ballpark later than teammates.

Also in June, he was also critical in speaking with news reporters about the firing of hitting coach John Mallee.

“Right now I just feel resentment and anger,” Morrison said Saturday. “Stand up for what’s right and this happens.”

And this:

Morrison’s avatar on Twitter the past few months is a drawing of himself in a Marlins cap with duct tape over his mouth, the word "censored’’ in all capital letters.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

he and BP can have a tweet-off!

It’ll be perfect!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is an area where I think Dusty's soft touch would work wonders

BeeP seems to be same kind of personality, and he’s never had a row over any of his tweets. It seems the Marlins just told him to shut up, which obviously has only served to rankle Morrison. It seems Dusty trusts BeeP to be responsible about it, and I’m sure that kind of trust would be appreciated much more than a Draconian “shut up and do what you’re told” approach.

But that’s all speculation on my part.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really sounds like he's in a bad situation there.

The majority of his Twitter antics that have brought criticism all seem to have a populist bent (ie complaining about the team canceling a charity bowling event, being reprimanded for not showing up to a season ticket holder event when an autograph session ran over).

Frankly, having a teammate like BP (three years ago, I could never imagine myself typing this) would be good for him. He can show Logan the ropes of how to handle PR.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Twitter is the real problem

He’s a rookie. Calling out Hanley Ramirez. And criticizing the hiring/firing decisions of the front office. To the media, not on Twitter. That’s the kind of thing that got Josh Hamilton a ticket out of town.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

In his defense

You could conversely argue that his calling out of Hanley is him showing exemplary leadership qualities. By all other accounts, Hanley’s dedication is questionable, and maybe someone needed to tell him.

The coach incident does look bad, but the guy should be allowed to have his opinion. It seems like he was close with the hitting coach and was loathe to see him go. Still probably shouldn’t have talked to the media about it.

But yeah, all that stuff sounds very BeeP circa 2007 to me.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I’ve never bought into the whole “rookies need to shut their mouths about veteran players” thing. If a player is slacking, a teammate needs to step up and let him know about it. I don’t give a shit about the experience level of either player.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

Doing it through the media was a bad idea and that stuff should stay in the locker room, but it’s not like he’s unfixable.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You might not buy into it

But that’s the way it is.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, not in respectable organizations.

In most organizations (the good ones,) rookies are expected to step up and play like veterans. And for that reason they’re treated like veterans. And I know you’re going to bring up rookie hazing, but there’s a big difference between playful hazing and actually treating young guys differently.

In a good organization, if a young guy is able to step up and lead they won’t be held back.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

they can lead

Joe Torre likes to say that Derek Jeter was a leader when he was 20 years old.

But it has to come from a more positive space, rather than calling out the stars of the team – the other leaders, so to speak. Set a positive example, rather than criticizing.

Baseball especially is very seniority-oriented. Dirk Hayhurst has some fascinating examples in his book. The ranking on a minor league team is according to the highest level you’ve reached. So if someone who’s played in AAA wants your seat on the bus, and you’ve only reached AA, he can order you out.

It’s not a coincidence that it was veterany Rhodes and Cabrera who were the “bad cops” of the clubhouse last year.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing with the seats on the bus isn't exactly hazing, but it's along the same lines.

That’s just one of those silly things that you follow more for fun than anything. Like when veteran football players make rookies carry their pads in after practice- it simply isn’t a big deal.

What you’re saying is essentially that a player can only be a super-positive cheerleader type leader until he’s a veteran. I dunno, maybe that is how it works in baseball. I’m the first to admit that I know little about baseball. But I think that if that really is the way it works, people around baseball clubhouses are stupid and way too traditional. In any other sport I follow (like football, which I know much more about than baseball) a young can do all the same things as a veteran when it comes to leading a team.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part of that might be how the sports are set up.

More impact positions in basketball/football. Seems like if you’ve only got five guys on the court at a time, it’s easier for a young guy to step up and be a leader.

With football, you’ve got your QB, RB, etc, so on offense at least, it might be easier to step up and be a leader.

Disclaimer: This is all me speculating at 3:30 in the morning about sports I don’t know after waking up horribly nauseated. (That one’s for you. Scrabbles!)

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by crolfer on Aug 15, 2011 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

but they turn a profit

And have won two World Series in the past 15 years. And they’re getting a new stadium.

No real incentive to change.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

There probably is.

The first World Series was bought by Wayne Huizenga and the second one was largely due to organizational changes made by John Henry. Most of what I’ve read suggest that Loria had little to do with the formation or the seeing through of the 2003 championship. Frankly, they’ve had a pathetic regression since then when you consider the value they could have received from that talent.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only Bengals fans were that smart . . .

Though a good deal of their apathy probably also stems from having to watch baseball games in a sauna-like joke of a stadium.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't see BP pulling that kind of crap

He might have called people out, but he didn’t name names, at least not to the media. He was also more established than Morrison – had more right to call people out.

I don’t think BP would have skipped a photo session with the fans, either. No matter how mad he was at the front office, he wouldn’t take it out on the fans.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see it.

Because he lashed out when he was demoted in Cleveland.

A change of scenery and a good support system might be all Logan needs. With that talent, it’d be worth it.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a future Bluejay

I don’t know anything about their pitching, but they sure are collecting some nice talent from NL teams.

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by ol Pete on Aug 14, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure

He’s another first baseman. We already have one. I don’t think he’s any better on LF than Yonder.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

What's your spaghetti policy?

by DannyGraves on Aug 14, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morrison has actually played LF for the better part of a season in the major league

His numbers aren’t great, but they’re manageable.

Whereas Yonder can’t sniff the field because he’s so atrocious. Normally, one could blame Dusty for that, but since Walt won’t even exercise veto power suggests he’s not the only one who agrees the guy simply should not be out there.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's played LF

but not well. He’s horrible.

If I’m trading Alonso, I want an upgrade. Someone who plays good D as well as has a good bat. And, since Alonso has so far not been a prima donna, someone who doesn’t have attitude issues.

Honestly, the Marlins are far more willing to put up with bad defense than most teams. They put their SS in CF for awhile when Girardi was manager.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comparing him to Hamilton doesn't really compute.

Judging by that anecdote, the only diva in that story that sounds like Hamilton is Hanley.

While criticizing personnel hiring is generally poor form, it’s certainly not unprecedented for players that have developed a strong attachment to the coaches. Many players have said worse things and have done so unscathed.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really think

Hamilton was traded because of 1) his public feud with BP and 2) telling the Reds they were wrong to fire Jerry Narron and that they better not fire Johnny.

Some teams might accept that kind of thing. I just don’t think the Reds would.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd imagine the problem just wasn't with BP

If you’re the only player that requires a full-time baby sitter funded by the team, the resentment isn’t going to come from only one player. Plus, Walt has already shown he’s fine with giving players a bit of a leash when it comes to speaking their mind if the talent is there. If he didn’t, Bailey and Volquez would no longer be in the Reds system.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Marlins

gave Morrison more leash than I expected. It sounds like the straw that broke the camel’s back was skipping the fan photo session. The other stuff happened months ago.

I see McKeon is catching hell in the media for this. But it sounds like it wasn’t his decision. He says he didn’t find about it until he got to the ballpark.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, doing it through the media and starting a feud was wrong.

But calling someone like Hanley out for being a jackass is his job as a teammate. I can’t emphasize enough that he should have done it in the locker room behind closed doors, but let’s not act like he did a terrible thing.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, you don't know what was said behind closed doors prior to the public statements.

Generally, you resolve it in-house. When that doesn’t work, you then go to the public. We don’t know if he already tried to resolve it inside or not.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he so much said they were wrong to fire Jerry Narron

as much as he and Johnny were a package deal.

It will get better.

by Yossarian22 on Aug 14, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

from...

The Wayback Machine

Do I understand what it’s going to do for our team? No," Hamilton said. “Fans think someone’s got to be fired. But what good is it going to do? He’s not the one out there playing. As a team we’ve got to do better, and that’s everybody.”

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

BP said similar things though
"Jerry did the best he could do. We had a lot of veterans. If he had different guys in there, we’d have different results. We didn’t make any trades. We didn’t fire anybody, but got him fired. It sucks. I look at Jerry. We had a good year with Jerry last year, but we had new guys come to the scene this year. He tried to adjust with the new guys this year, but it’s all about certain players. Ken Griffey and his home run chase, Josh Hamilton and his comeback season, everybody got caught up in that instead of winning. We’re happy for Josh, but we want to win. And the next thing you know, Homer Bailey’s up here. We’re a team, and everybody’s worried about three guys."

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

waaait

that’s what BP said that everybody thought was throwing Hamilton under a bus?

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by supergrover on Aug 15, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone thought BP threw Hamilton under the bus

It was Hamilton who seemed out of line, firing back at BP. A rookie dissing a veteran star to the media and all.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 15, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

players almost always say that when a manager is fired.

Unless there is some really bad blood, they rarely say that the change was needed.

It will get better.

by Yossarian22 on Aug 15, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought they traded him

because they’d scrap-heaped him for $50K and had the chance to flip him for a highly regarded potential ace.

At that point, there were Dunn, Griffey, and Bruce in the OF mix, and they chose to dump him instead of the others.

Periphery aside, they chose to cash in on a relatively cheap initial buy that turned into a pretty lucrative sell.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, that too.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 15, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Populist Bent" cracks me up, and makes him just perfect for the Reds

Por la patria! Por Subcommandante Logan!

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

This Morrison guy sounds like an infantile turd

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by Madville on Aug 15, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else watching Cards/Rox?

I think Votto is going to be Todd Helton. And that would be amazing.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2011 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

That's sad, because many people say he's only a borderline HOFer

If people say that about Votto when he’s almost ready to retire, I will likely cry.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

You would cry about a borderline HOF career from Votto? I’d love the hell out of that.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

At this point I’d say it’s pretty unlikely that he gets into the HOF, unless he continues having great seasons into his mid 30’s. One marquis year where everything goes right for him and he does something ridiculous like batting .380 or OBPing .460 would help, too. Voters look a ton at how good a player performed in his absolute best season; having eye-popping stats in your peak years is just as important as being solid over a long period of time.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say Votto's biggest obstacle is his late start...

So, he won’t necessarily have the counting stats even if his career averages are pretty impressive.

I agree that having a monster year would help him out. The two other things I think would have a significant impact in getting him over the hurdle are 1) another MVP trophy and/or 2) a ring.

Non-active players who won 2 MVP awards and are not in the HoF: Frank Thomas, Juan Gonzalez, Barry Bonds, Dale Murphy

by Nasty N8 on Aug 14, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Each of those non-active plays have explanations why they're not in the HOF

1. Thomas will eventually get in once the voters get past their anti-DH bias.
2. Juan Gonzalez is hurt by playing in Arlington (though voters may not like GABP when all is said and done)
3. Bonds*
4. Dale Murphy got a late start and failed to put up any of those threshold numberss

Out of all of them, Murphy would probably fit Votto’s projected resume the closest. Though, playing in GABP will also hurt him the way it’ll hurt future Rangers playing in The Ballpark.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Juan Gone will likely get hurt more as sabermetrics take hold of the voters, too.

His OBPs were downright Dawson-esque.

He was a quantity guy, not a quality guy.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you can put the asterisk next to his name too

and neither of his MVPs were deserved, and its pretty obvious in hindsight.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Aug 15, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

"late start"

That’s why I compared him to Helton. The first few years of their careers are strikingly similar.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at Helton's awesome 2000 numbers

it’s mind boggling that he only game in 5th for NL-MVP voting.

by FordhamRam on Aug 14, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

having a winning record on a team

that gave 699 PAs to Neifi Perez and only had one starter one Brian Bohannon have an ERA under 5 (his was 4.68) is pretty damned monstrous.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, Juan Gonzalez won two MVPs.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Aug 15, 2011 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why is Furcal still healthy?

What a great pickup he was.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Aug 14, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cards fans doing the wave

There was a huge moment, filled with tension last series. Something like game on the line, late inning, Pujols up… and there was one of the most rabid waves going on. I guess I should say one of the best waves in baseball.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Aug 14, 2011 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Cards pitchers keep going up and in

I’m so confused – LaDickhead says he doesn’t want his pitchers to do that.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Aug 14, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

what, really?

What makes you say that?

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

deadline's in 24 hours

and there’s been no sniff of a deal in the works.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

ditto Brewcrew w/ 2 picks

I’m sure teams are working furiously.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Aug 14, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yonder Alonso

signed shortly before the deadline. He was talking about living with A-Rod and playing indy ball right up until the end.

Stephenson got his physical, which tells me he is willing to sign.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 14, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone linked an article or tweet or something a few weeks ago

that said there’s a “greater than 50% chance” he’ll end up going to Washington. It doesn’t look good for us.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 14, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think that's kind of a load of bull

There’s talk about a hard slotting system (heh) being instituted for next year’s draft, which would mean that first round picks would lose a lot of the leverage that they currently have. And if he’s really “intellectually based” or whatever excuse the guy who reported that story came up with, then he’d be a dumbass to pass up the likely over first round money that he’s probably going to end up being offered. I think it gets done.

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Aug 15, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with you there.

I’ve never gotten why first rounders would ever pass up all that money to go to college. People say they need a degree as a “backup plan,” but that’s dumb. If they do suffer a career-ending injury or something, they can take all that guaranteed money and try to get into college after they get hurt and fail at pro ball. I’m not sure what he’d get guaranteed, but it will sure as hell be enough to get a huge head start and not need any student loans or anything of the sort in the case that he gets hurt and can’t play.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 15, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

The window for college is open forever. For a pro ball career, not so much.

Sometimes it’s the parents who worry that their kid will be left high and dry. Some teams get around that by promising the parents that they’ll pay for the kid’s college education, if he decides to go one day.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 15, 2011 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do think sometimes it is better for players to avoid certain organizations

like I don’t blame Jeremy Sowers one bit for not wanting to pitch for the Reds in 2001. The organization at that time destroyed pitching prospects.

It will get better.

by Yossarian22 on Aug 15, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still think we will

It was always going to be a “down to the last day” kind of deal… I think the earliest it gets done is during the game tomorrow night

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Aug 15, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

After reading some conversations on Twitter between BP and his sister,

I’ve decided that I would really really love to sit in on a Phillips family reunion.

Miguel Cairo is so last week.

by sexsalad on Aug 15, 2011 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the Reds

should start making crappy films starring the players (kind of like WWE)—that should boost revenue

by Red_Poodle on Aug 15, 2011 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

how about

Jay Bruce saving small kids form a bayou kidnapper?

by Red_Poodle on Aug 15, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like it

Or maybe a swamp monster. He could hit baseballs at it.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Aug 15, 2011 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

perfect

and there is a very high stress moment where the monster is about to eat 3-4 kids and Jay has to ignore Marty’s voice in his saying “your not clutch enough”

by Red_Poodle on Aug 15, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

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