Red Reposter - He who hesitates ....
by ken on Aug 1, 2011 11:01 AM EDT
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Johnny Cueto pitched the Reds' first shutout of the season yesterday, walking just one against six Ks and 11 groundouts. He paced himself masterfully, having plenty of gas to blow through the Giants' lineup in the late innings. By Bill James' Game Score it was the top pitching performance of the Reds' season, with the top three all coming against San Francisco. Cueto, with enough innings now under his belt, is the league's ERA leader. Meanwhile, the offense was easy to love, with Drew Stubbs and Edgar Renteria reaching base seven times at the top of the order and Votto, Alonso, BP, and Bruce producing in the middle with eight RBIs. Todd Frazier, or "The Toddfather" as his friends back home may very well call him, chipped in with his first career HR. It's now back-to-back sweeps for the Reds, though regretably the prior sweep involving the Mets was the bad kind. - "Hey Ramon! Best of ... I mean, good to see that ... you're still here."
The non-waivers trade deadline passed uneventfully for the Reds yesterday. Walt Jocketty declared that "we're not sellers" on Friday, and apparently he meant it. Like they did last year with Cliff Lee, the Reds once again came close but failed to land the marquee pitcher on the trade market, Ubaldo Jimenez, or any other player for that matter. Walt Jocketty on the trade buzz: "We thought we were maybe yesterday. In the end, it probably was not as close as we thought it was. We tried working on a number of big deals and some of the guys that were traded, we were in on most of them." According to Sheldon, the big issue was the return in prospects demanded by the selling teams. Walt: "Some of the requests for us, we felt were ridiculous and a lot more than we were willing to pay. Not just one or two [prospects]. It just didn’t make good sense for us in the short term or the long term. So we pulled back. We still believe we have enough talent here to win the division." - I'm not that disappointed in the team's failure to reel in a big fish, but that's because I disagree with Walt's bolded statement above. The Reds stand 6.5 games out of the lead with three teams to catch. As of Sunday, Cool Standings gave the Reds a 15% chance at making the playoffs, while Baseball Prospectus gave the Reds a miniscule 4% chance. The odds aren't good however you slice it, which is why several teams were puzzled by the Reds' refusal to shop Hernandez. With one of the league's best backups and the best advanced catching prospect in the minor leagues, the Reds could have afforded to deal from an area of strength while capitalizing on Ramon's 52-week high (ticker: CMM). They still might try to do so but must pass him through waivers first, which seems unlikely given that he's not anchored down by a long-term deal.
- The Reds' middle-of-the-road approach has been to the detriment of their youth
If you're not going all-in for this year, you need to develop the talent that will contribute to your next playoff team. The Reds standing pat this weekend is not unlike my daughter's potty-training - she doesn't want to leave the seat, but she's not doing anything either. Instead, she's content for me to read and re-read the same old Clifford and Dr. Seuss stories while she sits there. Similarly, the Reds are (wisely) not gambling on an improbable finish this year but they're also not doing what's best for 2012 in allowing Todd Frazier and Yonder Alonso to atrophy on the bench. Frazier has now started in three of the 10 games since Scott Rolen has been sidelined, though in Dusty's defense Miguel Cairo has continued to produce during his starts. But there's no excuse for burying Alonso. Alonso has pinch-hit four times (collecting three hits), and started zero games. Dusty claims that Yonder will get a start in LF "at some point. We've been working him out in the outfield." Everyone's been conditioned to expect mediocre defense from Alonso, and I think most people expect that. We just want to see him hit already.
- THT breaks down the deadline deals
In sum, every NL team within eight games of the playoffs made a major move, except for us. - Brandon Phillips was on the trading block?
I hadn't heard that one, but apparently if you're a major leaguer with over a hundred thousand Twitter followers, you hear a lot. "I've heard my name out there and, man, you never know. When a team is losing like we are, you hear about the team saving money and trying to go get something else cheaper, y'know? Hopefully, nothing happens because I love it here and I want to stay here with my teammates." - Bucs Dugout conducted a retrospective valuation of prospect ratings
Specifically on C+ prospects as gauged by John Sickels. There are a few diamonds in the rough, but as a group they ain't worth much. Sickels assigned that grade to 189 players in 2003. 29 (15 percent) have compiled a respectible career (at least 3 career WAR). That group does feature a couple of MVPs, including Joey Votto. Good thing he wasn't flipped for Erik Bedard as rumored a few years ago, yeah? - DDN - Slugger Lutz dialing long distance
Very nice feature about Dayton's slugging 1B/OF, Donald Lutz. Lutz grew up in Germany, and made the national team by 16 after playing for just one year: The first time he came to the plate in a game, he hit a home run. "I didn’t know much about baseball," he said. "I remember my brother had a little poster from the era of Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire, but other than that I didn’t know any players." HT to Doug Gray for the tweet. - Rockin' Redlegs were treated to a tour behind the curtain last week
Always good to see the Reds treating the respectful bloggerati well. Gapper in particular deserves praise for making a special connection: Yes, it took a minute to feel comfortable with him, but I think our boy Gapper deserves a redemption. Actually, Gapper and I are on more-than-a-first-name-basis (if you know what I mean.) Literally, TWSS.
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Tonight absolutely should be the night Alonso gets his first start. Consider the following:
—Tonight’s pitcher, Bud Norris, has fairly extreme platoon splits (.776 LHB and .717 RHB for his career, even more pronounced this season)
—Heisey has been pretty bad in July. Especially as a starter.
—Left Field in Minute Maid Park is pretty small. Only 315 to the LF corner fence and 362 to left-center. It’d be a nice park for him to get his feet wet in.
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Counterpoint
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Aug 1, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Who does RR want as manager?
Maybe, just mayyyyyybe, Jim Edmonds was correct in his offseason quote re: Reds not being ready to win.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
But it's Jim Edmonds
By definition, anything that spews forth from him must be crap, and therefore cannot by right.
"This is the St. Louis Cardinals we're talking about. They suck. Screw them. With a shovel. The sharp metal end. And then set them on fire." - crolfer
by rorschach1979 on Aug 1, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly,
Edmonds may have a point but the fact that he mouths it shows he has no respect for his former teammates or the game in general. That doesn’t make him right, or wrong.
But he isn’t a qualified source either.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
I trust that asshole about as much as the size of his shirts
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
i though he was full of shit after reading that last year
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
that jerk
was speaking about the playoffs though. He may still have thought we could get there again
i bet we could talk Lou out of retirement.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 1, 2011 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He works for the Giants, I do believe
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'd like to see Pete MacKanin or Chris Welsh.
I do NOT want Ken Griffey, Sr. near this team. He’s a prideful hothead that has walked away from his team twice, IIRC. Once as the hitting coach in MLB and once in the minors as a manager.
I’d like to see Jeff Shaw, George Foster, Dave Parker and Danny Graves in the organization.
"If you intended to debate this, you need to take a side." - johnu1
Davey Johnson or Jack McKeon
that’s who I’ve wanted since Jerry Narron
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 2, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He is 3 for 4 as a pinch hitter and batting .000 as a starter.
So it is abundantly clear that he should be the pinch hitter from now on.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Aug 1, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
doesn't a short porch in LF help RH hitters?
otherwise agree with your post
by jeffshireman on Aug 1, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he's saying
the small LF would help Yonder as a fielder, since he wouldn’t have to cover much ground.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 1, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
makes sense
But Heisey should also get a couple shots at the Crawford boxes with his power
Maybe Bruce should get a day off this series and start Heisey in RF.
by jeffshireman on Aug 1, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
But not tonight. Norris is much tougher on righties than he is on lefties.
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Also, Norris is a big K pitcher. Heisey Ks a lot.
Alonso never did in his minor league career. Just thinking like Dusty, the things he cares about (matchup-y type things) all heavily favor Alonso in this situation.
Which means we’ll probably see Fred Lewis.
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by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
First making fun of the handicapped, now racism
Nice, Chuck…..real nice. You’re supposed to be setting an example for the new posters here man, jeez.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Now homophobia?
What’s next, anti-semitism?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I think that's more sexual harassment than homophobia
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This make me sad... :(
When one little panda sticks his winkie in another little panda's ear... that's sexual harassment. That makes me a saaaad panda.
by Sexual Harassment Panda on Aug 1, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I don't think everyone is misinterpreting the original meaning of the word
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Aug 1, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if we worried about Ks it would be Hanigan, Votto and no one else out there
by jeffshireman on Aug 1, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely a good argument
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
by GrooveLeg on Aug 1, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Votto, Bruce and Alonso
all play and start tearing stuff up, I think I might have to call them the “Left Hand(s) of Darkness”
If you do call them that, and Dusty catches on,
then you can look forward to seeing them interspersed with our two worst right handed hitters!
by Cuetotally Amazing on Aug 1, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
MLBtraderumors.com talks about guys that could be dealt in August
One interesting Buy Low name to me is Jake Peavy. His ERA looks bad, but HRs, Ks and walks #s look pretty good coming back from the injury.
Wonder if we could swing a deal for him this August or offseason with the Sox picking up 1/2 his salary?
His FIP and xFIP are in line with his best years in San Diego (2.95, 3.53)
It looks like he has been unlucky with BABIP and LOB%, so it figures he could be a candidate for a surge
On the bad side, he is getting fewer ground balls than ever, and I imagine he would give up quite a few more HR in GABP.
Still, if they acquire him, what do they do with him? Unless Arroyo is going on the DL, I’m not sure where he would fit in.
Okay I'm pretendin that my tongue is all goin crazy.....man hee hee this is kinda fun
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Aug 1, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I've given up on Arroyo, he needs to be shut down for the year
Or at least 15 days, and Wood just walked 8 AAA batters…
but a rotation of :
Cueto
Chapman
Peavy
Leake
Bailey
wouldn’t be terrible for next year, with Wood/Arroyo/LeCure battling for the injury sub-ins spots or traded in the deal
Just looking for easily acquired #3 or better starters for this 2-year window before Votto heads north and some veteran clubhouse leadership (don’t know if Peavy is that kind of guy)
by jeffshireman on Aug 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Only way to keep Arroyo out of the rotation next year is to put a hit out on him
I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the DL right now, but like it or not, we are stuck with him in the rotation next season.
Okay I'm pretendin that my tongue is all goin crazy.....man hee hee this is kinda fun
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Aug 1, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
How could they justify competing for the playoffs and keep running Arroyo out there?
I mean, it would be better to just pick someone out of the crowd and pay him to stay home and eat JTMs.
by jeffshireman on Aug 1, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
They signed him to a dumb contract and the Reds have to live with it.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
"The Toddfather"
I likes it.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
In case you missed it yesterday afternoon
Okay I'm pretendin that my tongue is all goin crazy.....man hee hee this is kinda fun
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Aug 1, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
i can't buy any love...
Man!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 1, 2011 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A pox on you for making me think about Patrick Dempsey
by ken on Aug 1, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
pardon me, honky
Dempsey’s a cuntfag!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 1, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, im glad that one stuck.
/lightscigarandpatsselfontheback
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 1, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in case anyone was wondering
The close runners up were:
Menage a Todd
Todd Mahal
Toddysseus
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 1, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gives new meaning to the phrase "Sweeps Week".
A Ongreed the Deserving
-coviner's lawful neutral Paladin / Debutante character
and, if my jch mind goes wild,
to the name “Gapper”
A Ongreed the Deserving
-coviner's lawful neutral Paladin / Debutante character
Johnny Cueto leads the MLB with his 1.72 ERA now...
(Image courtesy of Cy)
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Aug 1, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
My favorite part of this
is the completely empty GABP he’s pitching in. Must be from 2008.
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That was his pro debut
when he went 7 innings against the DBacks and struck out 10.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 1, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
question i dont know the answer to
when was the last time a Reds P was leading the NL in ERA this late in the season?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
Was the last Red to lead the NL in ERA really in 1944? (Ed Huesser)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Joey Votto
was a C+ prospect?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I think he was older and slow to develop power
at 1B, a power hitter’s position
by jeffshireman on Aug 1, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
looking back at his stats
2003 was the worst year of his career. He really struggled in Dayton, the second year of his career. He was only 19.
As I recall, our fearless leader JD Arney wrote a post basically saying Votto was a bust.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
way-back machine
http://www.redreporter.com/2005/4/13/125513/721
This post has a lot of funny stuff. According to John Sickels in 2005, Votto is the Reds’ No. 3 prospect, behind Edwin Encarnacion and Richie Gardner. Essentially the list looks like this:
1) Edwin
2) Gardner
3) Votto
5) Bailey
7) Todd Coffee
11) Janish
He also notes that it’s a mediocre list of prospects (which it is in hindsight, other than Votto and Bailey), and says that 11 (Janish) is indistinguishable from 19 (Joe Valentine) as prospects.
My favorite comment, so far in reading back, is when he tells a commenter to take Jorge Cantu over Chase Utley in a keeper league.
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
more on Votto
Let’s see….Votto is a strong guy, has good plate discipline, but a somewhat levelish swing….sounds like Sean Casey, doesn’t it?
Take Sean Casey, add a few homers and reduce a bit of batting average due to higher strikeout rate.
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
here's another good one
http://www.redreporter.com/2007/10/16/172823/65
Anyone that seriously thinks the Reds are going to win primarily with what they produce through their farm system is going to be waiting a really long time for the next title. I’m not saying that’s a bad way to go about things, I just don’t think this front office is capable of executing with that kind of strategy. And Bailey/Cueto/Votto/Bruce isn’t going to be enough especially when you consider the fact that the Reds will be extraordinarily fortunate if all four pay off the way we are hoping they will.
-jd
It’s true I think that it wasn’t likely for all four of those guys to become what they were supposed to, but they all pretty much have as a collective. At that time (Oct. 2007) Bailey projected to be a No. 1 or No. 2 starter, Votto and Bruce were looked at as above-average major leaguers and Cueto was supposed to be a supplement to Bailey in the rotation. Votto has exceeded everyone’s expectations and got himself an MVP trophy. Bruce has fallen a little short of expectations from his position at No. 1 in all of baseball, but well within or maybe a little better than what we expected in 2007. Bailey has not met his expectations, but he’s matured a ton and has been effective when healthy. And Cueto is having a Cy Young season, which is the kind of year we hoped Bailey would one day have. Reds fans pretty much hit the jackpot on that Big 4.
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
also this, from that link
You know what I’m hoping for now?
I’m hoping that the Reds deal Joey Votto. For whatever, this part doesn’t even really matter to me. Ideally some good pitching, maybe a reliever or two that would actually work out. Doesn’t matter.
Also JD
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
I also like this, from Ron 41:
Probably in the minority here, but I want a youth movement that begins with 2008. I’d like to see Jr, Freel, & Stanton gone. My opening day starting roster would look like this:
Lineup
CF Hamilton
1B Votto
2B Phillips
LF Dunner
RF Bruce
3B Eddie E
SS Gonzo
C Ross
That lineup, say, last year would probably have put up about a million runs.
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
In fairness
I was right about this:
“I just don’t think this front office is capable of executing with that kind of strategy.”
For the rest ouch.
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde
I really wanna know
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
by DTFH91 on Aug 1, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just curious how he heard his name after not posting for years(?)
by Cuetotally Amazing on Aug 1, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i tweeted at him
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
One of these days I'll have free time and start posting again
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde
looks like you were a dick to JD
You were just a rich girl only having fun. Your worn out dresses brought stares from everyone. Hey little rich girl, where did you go wrong?
Interesting from Fay's blog post today
One aside: About a week before the deadline, I was in Dayton working on my story on the Reds’ Latin American connection.
A scout was there from Toronto to watch Daniel Corcino. That was his sole assignment. He flew in just to do so. That tells you the Blue Jays were looking at Corcino as part of a deal. My guess the Reds were talking about being part of the deal the three-team deal that ended up sending Colby Rasmus to Toronto and Edwin Jackson to St. Louis.
I think I’d have been willing to part with Corcino if it meant we got Rasmus somehow. Who knows what the deal would’ve been, though.
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I'm sure St. Louis was much happier sending him out of the league
It would be very tough to deal a talent like that to your chief rival.
by ken on Aug 1, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
the trade would’ve gone through TOR, so I’m not sure how it all would’ve worked out. Somehow I don’t think we would’ve gotten Rasmus out of it either way.
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remember all the furor over including Zach in the Rolen trade?
is he being targeted to be a reliever now?
and didnt someone here guarantee a Cy Young award for Stewart?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
while I fully admit I was wrong about that trade
I dont think the book is fully written on Stewart. Might be good to wait and see how he does in his career. Still a good trade by Walt though, regardless.
I thought dougdirt guaranteed Cy Youngs
that might have been on RedsZone
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 2, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
terrible weather today
I was thinking of heading to Scranton to catch a double-header today. The Lehigh Valley IronPigs are supposed to play, and I was hoping to see Joe Savery, the Phillies’ #1 draft pick in 2007. He was a bust as a starting pitcher, and has reinvented himself as relief pitcher/infielder. But there’s a huge red blotch over that part of the map: severe thunderstorms, with damaging winds, lightning, and hail. Ugh. The kind of weather you don’t even want to drive in, let alone watch a game in.
Guess I’ll be staying home and seeing if Dusty lets Janish play in front of his home town crowd.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
lets hope not
ytd Janish is 60 OBP pts below Edgard, who is streaking.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
sometimes i think you don't even like the reds...
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Aug 1, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno. Hey 'creds:
If you have to pick (and you do for now), who do you prefer and why? Janish or Renteria?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'd pick Renteria, batting 8th.
My trolling of Obwok is mainly to balance his silly Renteria love.
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Did you know that Renteria is OPSing .839 since Cozart went down?
That’s pretty good! :)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I know. I'm starting to get a little nervous that he'll actually meet my requirement
of a .730 OPS over 75 PAs, and I’ll never be able to badmouth him again!
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edgard is heating up
you were wise to cower from the offseason avatar bet, despite having the percentages greatly in your favor.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
when was that bet, I can't remember?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
we need to track creds' stats on wagers
he might be more proficient when bets don’t involve shortstops.
over/under on Bengals victories next season? 3.5?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
Over/under on how many times I give the Bengals a second thought this season?
Let’s set it at 1.5.
Hint: Take the under.
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I don't remember either. And I don't remember what the bet was.
I remember a bet about how many wins it would take to win the Central. But I don’t think any SS related bet was discussed.
But OBWOK, how about this one? I bet my avatar for the month of October, that at the end of the season, both Paul Janish and Edgar Renteria still suck.
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Gee, risky bet there.
My bet is OCab is the luckiest motherfucker to ever put on a uniform.
One way to look at his postseason streak is that he’s good. The other is that he’s been on 7 different teams in 5 years. If he was worth anything, someone would’ve kept him around.
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can't argue with the results
who said CLE wouldnt win with OCab?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
umm,
they are a .500 team and currently in 2nd place. They didn’t win anything with OCab.
Also, their GM was probably the most aggressive GM in baseball at the deadline in improving his team for this year. Telling that part of that included unloading Cabrera.
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yeah, the GM that just won the WS got fleeced
and there wasnt a person here that imagined the Indians being this close this late in the season.
they’ve already won in my book. great season for the fans up north. much better than the Reds, im afraid.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
The odds of winning the NL-C
First off, if we had obtained “Pitching Ace A” from “crappy ass Team B,” what would the odds have changed to, from?
By not adding said pitching ace, we assume that our pitching is going to be no better than it has been. There’s evidence to support that assumption, but no proof. The changes the team HAS made will modify its play, even if slightly, alleging Cozart comes back in a reasonable time.
Having Yonder, not Gomes, in LF … how does that affect the odds? Well, Yonder needs to play and in any event, that had/has nothing to do with Pitching Ace A, who we didn’t get anyhow. We didn’t get a 3B, unless you count Frazier, who isn’t a pitcher. We still have Rolen, who’s currently hurt, not dead.
This pitching ace suddenly … what? … puts us in 1st place, or just ahead of the Pirates, who have been lucky anyhow.
And that’s assuming that Mesoraco would hit/play better than CMM. Eventually, he will … but maybe … not … this … year … at the MLB level.
So .. the Prospectus “odds” on winning are connected to a lot of dots that didn’t get connected, compared to the ones that have been. It’s apples vs. oranges, in a phrase.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
sometimes you say so little with so much text.
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
by GrooveLeg on Aug 1, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
It's far worse than most RR posters, whose work qualfies as as "educated grunting."
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
fUNGHck yUGHou
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Aug 1, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Let me rewrite that earlier post ...
Reds dint make no trades on accunt of were to stupid and morans. But I am hapy because we got Yonder for left and we still have the CMM guy as catch. Plus we are still not far behind the Carnals and the Dishwarters. And such. Now if we get are ace to pitch good we will be champeens of the tournamnt.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
by johnu1 on Aug 1, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just being silly
I don’t care if you think I’m a grunting fool, we’ve never even met. You can call me whatever you’d like and I’ll sleep like a baby tonight.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I've got quite a bit of money that says you drink more than I do
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
who's drinking right now? raise your hands?
i’m saving my drankin for the jersey shore this weekend. word is Voley drinks rum and cuts it with tapwater.
he wins the drinking award from me!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
is it contest time?
I’ll come out of the woodwork
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 2, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
AND a bag of Jolly Ranchers!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
you really know how to treat a lady
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 2, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If you don't snore, we'll be fine.
The grunting part, well … I prefer that over squealing.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
The biggest factor by far for the odds is that we're in fourth place, 6.5 games out
A few personnel moves might change the odds a few ticks. But there’s no way we should be close to 25% given the standings.
by ken on Aug 1, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't they calc the odds on pytha/3rd order records and upcoming opponents?
Which is why we have better odds than the Pirates?
I doubt they’re anaylzing deadline moves…
The Pirates are going to crash hard really soon.
Their deadline moves won’t really even help them.
Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.
I concur
DLee was a tremendous player a few years ago, He’s a 96 OPS+ guy now, but probably a good influence on the young players (see: Rolen)
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
Lee is a decent RH hitter, good pinch hitting guy, good defense
For the Pirates, this is enough, maybe to keep them above .500, which has to be a very exciting possibility given their performance over the last … what, 17-18 years?
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
Dunno how anybody can calcuate odds on a baseball season.
2 months left and 4 teams all playing separate schedules.
Any modification in a batting order affects a game, but maybe not a series.
I just recall that Edgard’s game winner the other night hit the chalk. Most of the season, that ball goes foul against us, hits fair for Ronny Cedeno and Skip Schumaker.
I suppose percentages even out over a season. Sometimes, I wonder when I know that the Reds are much better than they have played.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
Its the one year anniversary of Jean-Robert's Table
and i still havent made it there yet. anyone been there?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
It's good! I went with my parents when I visited in the spring, definitely among the best in the area.
I’m sorry I can’t remember what I had, maybe short rib? Anyway, it was good and the chef was in the kitchen, so I think he’s in good shape after getting out from under a horrible investment partnership with a not-nice guy.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Aug 1, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been a number of times.
My roommate bartends there. I think its good, not great. I really don’t care for the vibe very much. Kind of stuffy.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
All this trade talk reminds me of a question I have
what really is the status of the MIL farm system? I really d o not know anything about the talent they have over there
Not much.
there is very little high end talent in their system. They have some guys who might contribute as role players, or league average regulars at best, but no one with all star upside.
Their best guys, IMO, are Wily Peralta, a workhorse type starter in AA, and Tyler Thornburg, a good SP but who is 22 and still in A+ ball.
The guys they do have are, for the most part, in the low minors and far away.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I crossed paths with a nice guy, Joe Koshansky
who was an unexpectedly talented 1B in the Rockies AAA, but blocked by Helton. He eventually ended up with the Brewers in Nashville, but they didn’t hold on to him. This year he was in AA with Richmond in the Giants org, but they released him in May. Too bad, he was blocked in his best years. But he got his cup of coffee a couple times, and hit a home run or two in the MLB at least.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Aug 1, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He hit a lot of home runs, but also struck out a lot.
Maybe he was actually destined to play for the Reds?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Aug 1, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Koshansky, strikeouts, first baseman ... definitely a Chitowner.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
that's racist!
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
thanks
I saw a post, not here but on an MLB.com comments section, saying that the Crew are going to be as bad as the Strohs in a few years. I still can’t believe that but it does look like they need to try and win in the next few years
2011 Opening Day Lineup WAR (ytd)
4.1 – Votto
3.0 – Stubbs
2.1 – Ramon Hernandez
2.0 – Brandon Phillips
1.0 – Jay Bruce
0.5 – Scott Rolen
0.3 – Jonny Gomes
0.3 – Paul Janish
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
Brandon's got 3.4
Which I think is on pace to be his career best
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
I'm a fan of RZA myself
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Aug 1, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and to think
I had you pegged as an ODB guy.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 1, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But what about OFWGKTA?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Ima tell you, like Wu told me....
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 3, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Game Used Reds Civil Rights Game Jersey
a little pricy, but here
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
It's a big "if"
But if Volquez can hold it together for two months, he’s an Ubaldo-esque addition. The Pirates’ collapse has begun. Cards and Brewers are both under the added pressure of “gotta win now”. I’m not giving up just yet.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Aug 1, 2011 3:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Winning 8 out of 10 right now is pretty important.
We’d hopefully gain 3 games on at least one of the Carnals and the Brews.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
Honestly
If the reds end with a winning season, I will find that as a step up for the organization. Anyone that has been a life long Bengals fan understands the value of back-to-back winning seasons, especially with that second season usually containing a harder schedule.
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