Winning is fun! Sweeps are pretty great too! Reds win, 9-0.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2011 8:51 PM EDT
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Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
Johnny Cueto. Sure, there were some other great performances by Reds today, but Cueto pitched a complete game, three-hit shutout. In the process, he qualified for the ERA leaderboard and in fact took the lead with a 1.72 ERA. This guy is good.
Honorable mentions go to Joey Votto (2 for 4 with a 3-run HR), Drew Stubbs, (4 for 5 with a double), Edgar Renteria (3 for 4 with a walk), and Todd Frazier, who hit his first career major league HR.
Key Plays
- The Reds got this one off to a good start, scoring three in the first Drew Stubbs singled to lead off, followed by a Renteria single. A run scored on a Votto single, and another on a Brandon Phillips sac fly. Jay Bruce singled to score Votto as well. Reds lead, 3-0.
- Todd Frazier added a solo HR in the fourth inning.
- Keep in mind that the Giants weren't scoring anywhere in here...
- But the Reds got a fifth run in the fifth when Renteria walked, advanced to third on a Phillips single, and scored on a Bruce sac fly.
- The score remained 5-0 until the seventh, when Stubbs singled, Renteria singled, and Votto scored both of them (and himself!) with a HR to center.
- Yonder Alonso entered after that, and singled with Stubbs on second to make it 9-0 in the eighth.
- Once again, the Giants didn't score. Reds win!
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gotta agree on Cueto
He’s the POTG. Not even close.
And I love Fangraphs like that…
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ERenteria gets two guest spots on the Fangraph.
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You know what phrase we haven't heard enough of this season? "Hit parade."
(And okay, yeah, I’m aware the Reds offense isn’t bad at all. I’m just saying.)
This appears to have been a pleasant series, and I didn’t catch a single inning of it. I’m disappointed, but I prefer that to its inverse.
by the finest muffins on Jul 31, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
It was not without its nail-gnawing moments.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
I hope you'll tune in to future series, but if it seems like your doing so brings bad results, I might ask you to stop tuning in.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jul 31, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It is reasonable, but I'd hold out for a better explanation if I were you.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
I liked reading this from Walt:
Probably predictable after the fact that the team made no deals for its prospects, but it’s generally what I think a lot of smart baseball people would agree is true:
“We still believe we have enough talent here to win the division. I think we have to play better and I think this weekend was a great indication of what this team is capable of doing.”
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
I would have liked to see an improvement made to the ML club.
However, with the ridiculous cost some teams were giving up with prospects I’m happy the Reds did not make move.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jul 31, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, it's hard to trade prospects
Of course, you never know on these guys.
The upgrade we needed to make on the left side of the infield wasn’t available.
I would not have traded anybody for a left fielder.
And I am real sensitive about good catchers.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
If there was an upgrade available at the right cost I'd say do it.
But, that upgrade wasn’t available.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jul 31, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, it was. And yes, Walt provided it.
His name’s Yonder Alonso, and if Dusty would pop his head out of his ass and take a breath, he’d be able to smell him.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
granted its completely ridiculously SSS
He’s seemed to live up to his billing to me. Getting hits, and working the count…it’s a lovely change of pace, so far…
We all keep talking about him like he's a potential .290/.360/.470 type guy
with 20 HR potential and good on-base skills…
well, exactly how many players of that ilk were on the trade market this year? Hell, how many of them exist period?
If he’s at least passable in LF (and shit, as long as Soriano and Carlos Lee play, he will never be worse than the 3rd worst LF in the NL Central), why the F not just play him everyday?
That’s the best bat upgrade they could find, and Walt made the move to make it happen. Someone just needs to let Dusty know that he’s got someone who can play baseball since he apparently can’t see that through his new designer glasses.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yonder may not hit his full stride for 3 years.
We are still waiting for Bruce to mature and the jury’s out on Stubbs. Growing pains and the accompanying frustrations. I just hope the coaching helps these guys through the rough spots.
But Yonder was, to me, better than a trade because he is essentially “free.”
Problem with all this maturity stuff is, I ain’t getting younger. Screw this 4th place crap.
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Yonder is the same age as Bruce
And has always had a much more advanced and patient approach than Bruce.
I honestly think that if Alonso gets regular PT he’ll have a similar learning curve as Votto—that is to say, not much of one. I don’t think he has Vottos power, or ceiling, but he’d be a well above average hitter right now.
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by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2011 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So, at what point do we think Alonzo will get to actually hit MLB pitching?
I realize we were looking for a place he could play and from all I heard, he’s done adequate work in LF, which isn’t a bad report considering a year ago, we were considering him as a career DH in the wrong league.
Seems like he has a pretty strong work ethic if that is the case, which is different from what I read about him last winter.
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sooo....
.290/.360/.470??
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a very reasonable ceiling, and I don't think he's far from it.
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by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Aside from Bourn, whom the Braves acquired for table scraps, the prices were pretty high
I would have liked Ubaldo, but the Rockies were hell-bent on getting a big arm in return, and aside from Chapman I don’’t know who the Reds could have offered.
Bourn came cheap – Jordan Schafer has never hit in the minors, and never hit in the majors, and the three minor leaguers are pretty meh. Looks like a salary dump.
That said, I don’t know how well he would fit in Cincinnati, unless they made a second trade. It would be nice to have a true leadoff hitter, but it would just jam Alonso up that much more, and leave the Reds with less than stellar LF production.
Okay I'm pretendin that my tongue is all goin crazy.....man hee hee this is kinda fun
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jul 31, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Walt said on Cincinnatireds.com that Houston asked WAY WAY more from Cincy than the non-division teams
I think that’s probably why no deals were done with Houston who, in my mind, would have offered the most benefit to this team, excluding Jose Reyes of course.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jul 31, 2011 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I mean he has a point
We swept the defending WS Champs, without our best SS, without our best 3B (when healthy), and with two promising youngsters not contributing at all (Meso and Alonso). The only gripe that I have is that CMM is still on the team. Don’t get me wrong, I love the guy but he is expendable
We could have carved out a decent deal for CMM.
I wonder if maybe Ramon didn’t want to go elsewhere. He’d have no right to refuse, but knowing the way the Reds treat their veterans, I wonder.
I think I’ve been disappointed because it seems the team is snakebitten, but I guess, looking back, we didn’t make much of our own luck so far. Still, I think if Rolen was healthy, we could make a run at these pretenders.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
It wouldn't totally shock me to see CMM resigned, especially if they comeback to win the division
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jul 31, 2011 9:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would be because of Mesoraco.
Plus they have Hanigan signed for three years. Maybe they would trade Hanigan, but I doubt it.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought about that.
If they think that Grandal will be MLB ready by 2013, it may make sense to keep Hernandez to start 50-60 games next year to compliment Mesoraco, and trade Hanigan and his cheap contract.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt you see it though.
Walt threw out the word “untouchable” when Mesoraco’s name was brought up.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
which is why I said to keep him and Hernandez for one more year
trade Hanigan, and when Grandal is ready in 2013, Hernandez will be gone and Meso and Grandal can split C duties (and hopefully rotate through 1B).
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If Grandal is good enough to be a ML catcher I'd say you will see a trade of Meso or Grandal.
I don’t think they would keep both around and have the split duties. That would be wasting their value. I don’t see Grandal’s bat being able to stick at 1B, but Meso’s might.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand that argument then.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
If both live up to their potential (big if), there is not enough room for both.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
CMM could try to string together another season
I don’t blame him. If his knees will let him, he has 90 games in him.
After that, he gently becomes a scout or a hitting instructor in the Latin leagues.
He will have plenty of chances to stay in the game.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
This isn't happening, at least not like this
As far as I understand it, there are basically two situations that could play out this offseason. They offer Monie arbitration, he rejects it, we get a pick with Hanigan and Meso splitting time next year. The other way that this goes down, they offer Monie arb and he accepts it, and you’re forced to trade Hanny and his friendly contract because you need to make room for Meso and you can probably get something for Hanny.
The third option, of course, is letting Monie walk without offering arbitration. If that happens, then you just had a hot commodity at the deadline that you had a chance to get something for and chose not to stay in the “division race” (for 4th place). If this situation happens, Walt should be fucking fired, and I’m blocking that out as a possibility at this point because I don’t think he’s that stupid.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Well, there's another option, actually.
Walt could offer Ramon a contract and avoid arbitration altogether, right?
Walt could say “hey, we won’t trade you and you won’t have to move, and then we’ll offer you 1 year 3 million for next year and avoid the details.”
I’m sure they’ve talked.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That one makes some sense to me.
But if we were going to trade a catcher at the deadline, we could have gotten more for Hanny, right, than CMM?
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I think it depends
I think the kind of team that would trade for Hanny and the kind of team that trades for CMM is different at this stage. CMM is basically a half-season rental and Hanny is a guy who could probably be an average catcher most places over a full season, but with a friendly contract. I’m not sure either gets you a ton.
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by BK on Aug 1, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That basically falls into option 2 for me
And they end up trading Hanny. There’s no way Walt should keep his job if he starts Devin at AAA next year when an argument could be made that he’s as good as at least one (and maybe both) of our catchers at the big league level right now.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Something that bugs me about this
Is that it seems likely that Walt didn’t trade Ramon because of Dusty. Seems to me like Walt was ready to sell but Dusty didn’t want to lose him. So, fine. But if Dusty has that influence, why the hell isn’t Walt demanding that Alonso get time in LF? When they called him up Walt said he’d get time there. He needs to put his foot down.
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by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think its just as possible that influence was from banana Bob
The reports we heard about the uncertainty regarding Walt maybe say he was unsure whether to say they were sellers or buyers. Bobby probably prefers they go the seller route, so Walt went with it.
After the fact, it seems the Reds made all the moves they intended to make.
They had to know days, even weeks ago, what it would take to pry away a top pitcher. Those conversations don’t just … “hey, I was wondering … what’s your ace worth to you?”
So as moves go, we called up Frazier and we called up Alonzo. Those qualify as “moves.” The problem is that these guys are going to play only when Dusty has no alternative. He’s always slow on putting young guys in there.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
Dammit
Posted too soon.
Dusty’s not always slow to put young guys in there. Bruce, Stubbs, Cozart…they all got playing time right away.
I doubt Dusty really keeps track of all these players. I suspect his views reflect the Reds’ views. The organization as a whole, and probably his coaches in particular.
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I agree.
We tend to try to think what Dusty is thinking. There’s a lot goes into who plays, when and where. And let’s face it … Heisey needs a chance to play LF.
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I don't care if Heisey starts
He gave Fred Lewis a start over Alonso
To Infinity
and the Yonder!
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I think if Dusty had that kind of influence
Gomes would still be on the team.
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I think you guys assume that Dusty has a LOT more influence on personnel moves than he actually does
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
He has said publicly that he is consulted on all personnel moves
He said something to the effect of, “I don’t get the final decision, but I’m consulted on everything”.
I could see Dusty being pissed about Gomes and putting his foot down on Ramon. Given how he’s made Alonso a pariah, it wouldn’t be worth it for Walt to trade Ramon just to have Mesoraco get 1 start every 2 weeks.
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Alonso is a pariah?
In what sense, Charlie?
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080912202345AAZscF0
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I'm consulted on everything at home
Doesn’t mean I have a lot of influence.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
i'm guessing other then
I absolutely do not want this guy on my ball club, his opinion is merely taken into consideration.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Unfortunately, I think that's the most likely option
I dont think they offer him arb, unless they get him to agree to decline beforehand.
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by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have a sneaking suspicion that this conversation already happened
I’m guessing Walt must have went to Monie and said “we’re trading you unless you decline arb after the season and we can get picks”. If that’s not what happened, then not trading him is indefensible.
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by BK on Aug 1, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this may be the case.
It seemed like from the start the Reds were certain they were not going to trade him even though it made complete sense. I think Ramon and the organization (Walt and Dusty) have a good relationship, and it makes sense that they might scratch each other’s backs.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
I'm wondering what Mesoraco's defense and game managment has looked like this year.
I haven’t heard about any progress. He’s only throwing out like 25% of runners and has allowed over 50 steals already. I’m not sure he’s having a great defensive year? I don’t know.
2 unpopular things I can see happening that people will hate but I think are 50/50 or better of happening:
1) CMM resigned one more year, Mez in AAA all year (We need stability for the pitchers, duh!)
2) Cordero resigned to 3 year deal a la Arroyo.
I’m just saying, that’s the temperature we’re dealing with sometimes with Walt and Dusty.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
Mez just spent a full year in AAA and is killing it.
His defense may be the best (supposedly), but his offense will play up. I think he has lessened his passed balls and I can handle a 25% CS rate.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
Right, but if he's not defensively sound, I can see a scenario where the Reds delay, delay, delay.
Heck, even Votto was ready sooner, he even bristled a bit about it IIRC.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
good point
I remember that. There were rumors that it was “attitude issues” that were holding Joey back.
But that was a different Reds organization. Before Walt or Dusty.
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I have to a agree on CMM.
And despite where he has come up big and I feel like he’s a huge cog of this team, his clutch stats are really not that good at all for being CMM (.174 RISP, .111 Bases loaded)
The only excuse is the real thought the Reds could pull of a magical 15 games over streak in the 2nd half and Monie wants to finish it out.
Renteria
did a good job of impersonating our best SS this series.
4 for 10 with a walk and 5 runs scored.
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with the bat, yes.
with the glove, no.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just concerned
that Ramon is going to regress in a major way the next 2 months, which will do a couple things.
1-Make them less likely to offer arb in the offseason
2-Make him less tradeable (although he aint getting through waivers anyway)
3-Mean that Devin probably could outproduce him going forward.
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by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2011 9:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this is a very good point
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by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's still a target for the waiver deadline, so I doubt he screws things up in 1 month's time.
I’d say there’s a good chance he’s hitting no less than .270 at the end of the year, which for a team that needs a catcher is still good. That’s if he bombs.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
Would he make it to the Giants on waivers anyway?
Wouldn’t the Pirates want him?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Pirates, or the DBacks could claim him to block SF
He isn’t getting traded on waivers. The only thing I could conceivably see happening is if the Reds fall completely out of it, they could just let him go to whatever team claims him. But I doubt that too.
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not with him being a Type A/B FA
no way they let him go without any compensation. not even a possibility.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
Is there a rule that saya that college radio stations must do a blues show on Saturday night and call it "The Roadhouse"?
Maybe Arroyo’s last stand tomorrow. Volquez seems to be a better choice at this point. Could Volquez benefit by not being looked to to be the “ace”? JC has clearly got that taken care of.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 31, 2011 9:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I am surprised Bronson isn't on the DL, to be honest.
Everything just sounded like that last week.
Can’t evaluate college radio
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He never goes on the DL
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by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly
Not much debate over who would start Game 1 in October this year.
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 31, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He was nails
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
by ChiDa on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
cha-ching.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Happy Faith Day!
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Every day is Happy Faith Day at my Place
by RedBud on Jul 31, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wonder what she looks like first thing in the morning.
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rec'd
because I always wanted to wreck’d her
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Wasn't he the closer?
You know… Jesus saves?
by the finest muffins on Jul 31, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Walks are sometimes a problem.
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Our college radio station called it "A Case of the Blues"
and it was on Saturday afternoon, I believe. So no rule.
And I think without a DL stint we see Bronson every fifth day.
by Chester Drawers on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This will explain everything
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What the hell is wrong with Byrd's helmet
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by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
he has a broken cheekbone
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That invaluable Cueto
More than just a pitcher… he is a confidante
"HE DIDN’T LOOK TOO GOOD ON THE BUNT. (JOHNNY) CUETO TOLD ME (JOSE ARREDONDO) USED TO BE A SHORTSTOP. I FIGURED HE COULD HIT THE FASTBALL."
- Manager Dusty Baker after Arredondo singled in his
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I saw that as I looked up the schedule on yahoo!
Did Dusty really just learn this?
Still not a candidate.
Jose Canseco manages the Yuma Scorpions, pitches off and on.
Yuma can’t beat the Reds, probably.
Just pointing it out.
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He isn't really off the charts.
http://www.pointstreak.com/baseball/player.html?playerid=138962
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Cards losing
to the sucktastic Cubs.
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I want to thank the Reds for 16 runs against 2 runs given
Against the World Series Champions. They were truly honoring the birth of my daughter by saying, “don’t give up hope, anythings possible”. I’d hate to see the look on her face the first time she sees them lose.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jul 31, 2011 9:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
I only wish they rubbed it in a little harder on those SF bastaaads. Payback for last year.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
Berkman
looks like he is a manager at a grocery store and he clocks a 3 run dinger
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
"If Lance Berkman can play LF so can Alonso"
And that’s how the next conversation between Walt and Dusty ends
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by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This was a fun series
So the team plays bad teams the next 16 games, most of whom weakened themselves at the trade deadline. (Astros, Cubs, Rox, Nats)
If they can just dominate and win 11 or 12 of those, I’ll feel a lot better about things. We’ll see.
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by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2011 10:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh, and the Padres too. At home.
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by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope they don't take their effing customary beauty rest now they did something good. Stay mean Bruce!
He looked mean at the plate this series.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
I've been drinking, so bear with me.
Suppose Walt gets some gumption this offseason and decides it’s time to get James Shields, sending Yonder/Yasmani/Boxberger/A-baller for him.
Obviously it would depend slightly on his production the rest of this season, his health, and the package it would take (i.e. how much salary would get eaten), but what would you RR’s think of going after Bobby Abreu as a LF who bats lefty and could fit very well into the #2 spot in the lineup?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
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that bad, really?
a .380 OBP w/ 15 SB so far really scares you off that much?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
watching El Comedulce play with the Yankees
scares me off.
He’s too old, too expensive, and has reached his DH days.
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Yeah, I like the bat,
But if we’d put him there, just put Alonso there and be done with it.
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by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2011 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I get that.
I was just implying that trading Alonso+ for Shields and then picking up Abreu would be more advantageous than just keeping Alonso in LF and not acquiring a top-flight pitcher.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Mmm, maybe.
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by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the plan is to get a top pitcher, it may pay to identify them.
There are some guys who might not yet be at that level but who are a year or so away from it. Maybe cheaper deals can be had. How soon do we want this top guy?
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I've identified Shields twice.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I realize that.
Just trying to see if we could introduce some more pitchers who might be worth following. Shields isn’t going to be cheap, which was my point, or so I thought it was.
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gotcha.
There just aren’t a whole lot of proven guys out there who aren’t either signed for tons long-term, or are pre-arb and untouchable.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear there's some guy who might not cost any prospects at all
And who has total ace upside. I think his name is Chapman or something.
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by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2011 10:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mark David?
I think he’s still in jail
There was something in the air that night, the stars were bright, Arredondo. They were shining there for you and me, for liberty, Arredondo.
he kills right handers
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by supergrover on Aug 1, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Communist.
Well, a former Communist. But who wants to deal with all that baggage?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jul 31, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Gawd, not wearing a helmet.
I would NOT want to be the pitcher, even in a staged promo shot.
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Ah, but the plot thickens.
The pitcher, of course, was none other than Jack Kennedy.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah, the former Beatle
that Kennedy.
Wait that was George Kennedy.
NM, carry on.
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But I forgot to ask, Who's on first?
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That would be Joseph McCarthy.
John Foster Dulles was in left, RFK in center. Robert McNamara could really hit for power—he was in right.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
So ... Sen. Fullbright was behind the plate
That photographer … Ed Newman or Alfie Newman? Galbraith maybe serving as official scorekeeper.
I bet this was an all-out Bay of Pigs invasion.
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Lyndon Baines "Bring the Pains" Johnson was in the dugout that day.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
And we KNOW who was at SS.
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you know I'm on board with that.
I just always try to temper my proposals with a mixture of what I would do if I was GM and what Walt/Dusty will be looking for.
That’s how I came to the Abreu idea…it’s not that I think it’s an off-the-charts winnar idea, it’s that I think it’s plausible AND I think it’s the kind of move they would want to make.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked him for the 2009 team I think it was? But people thought he'd wash out soon.
Heck, he could be the type of player that retires at 42 with a .360 OBP but just doesn’t come back. I think he’s kind of in that Hall of Very Good group, maybe just lower, which means he’s just a born major leaguer. I wouldn’t hate bringing Abreu in at all.
"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"
Last 10 appearances
11.1 Innings. 18k, 4 walks.
Only hit given up was that dinger to El Machina de St Louis
by mrsmith35sg on Jul 31, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't need lefthanders, though.
We got one who throws 110 mph.
I was thinking of guys who are not yet proven.
But except for Strasburg and a few young Andorran refugees, this is still more guessing than science.
Teams pluck lucky every so often.
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Whatever helps you sleep at night, I suppose
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We've been down this road 4 Brazillion times dude, please listen to me this time
It’s not that I don’t like the idea of him starting. Who WOULDN’T want a left handed starter that can sit at 100 mph? There are two issues that lead me to believe that Chapman will not end up a starter:
1) IN MY OPINION (for Justin so I don’t have to hear about Randy Johnson’s greatness again even though he had a third pitch), he needs a third pitch to be effective as a starter. The reason I believe this is that as a starter, what happens when he can’t locate that slider of his? The batters will sit fastball and they will catch up to it and hit it hard.
2) I believe that with the Reds’ current depth at SP, the major league club will end up viewing him as heir apparent to CoCo. What about that huge contract you say? No way they’d pay a ton of money for a closer you say? I point to CoCo and say, “They just did”.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Both good arguments. However,
1) You don’t know that he doesn’t have/hasn’t been working on a 3rd pitch. Even if he has, there’s no reason he’d use it in games right now.
2) The club has all kinds of mediocre depth at SP. The fact that they were looking at Shields and Jimenez seriously indicate that they know they need a top shelf starter. And they have a guy in-house who could potentially turn into that.
3) I don’t think the contract is an issue, but there are enough other options for closer, I don’t think it’s a given they put Chapman there.
4) There’s no need for you to be condescending when other people talk about the possibility of him being a starter. Because, at the end of the day, none of us has a clue what the organization is going to do.
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Do you honestly think he's working on a super-secret third pitch and hasn't tried it out on a major league hitter yet?
Be careful with those stones, by the way. I’d hate to see a window get broken.
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Oh, I forgot. I'm condescending. You're just being joky and charming :-)
Mario Soto has said that he’s worked with Chapman on a change up as well as a cut fastball. And Baseball America’s scouting report says he has a changeup that just isn’t that good yet. (That was in January).
So I think it’s entirely possible that he’s continued to work on it this season but just isn’t going to use it in games until he needs it, which certainly won’t ever be the case in 1 inning stints.
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The tradeoff for it being taken as jokey/charming and not condescending is that I'm also never taken seriously :)
I sincerely hope he learns a third pitch, whether it’s a curve, changeup, or cutter. I don’t doubt that he’s tried. I have a really hard time believing that he’d sit on it until he “needs” it though. That’s just me.
In the event that he has learned a third pitch but isn’t comfortable throwing it to big league hitters, what are the odds that he’’’ have good enough command of that pitch in 6.5 months to be effective? Didn’t Homer take half a year of throwing his third pitch until he got comfortable with it?
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That's fair.
To me, the third pitch issue is the single biggest hurdle to him being a starter. The other is learning to pace himself, both of which are why I didn’t like him being in the pen. He’s not getting better at either thing right now.
I don’t think he’s not throwing a 3rd pitch right now because he’s not comfortable, but because he just doesn’t need it. Many relievers with far inferior stuff to his get by on 2 pitches. Some on just 1. (Mo Rivera comes to mind). It’s entirely possible he sucks at his 3rd pitch, but I don’t think the fact that he hasn’t used it in games is proof of that.
Honestly, if he could get his FB pacing together, he can be a pretty effective starter even as he’s figuring out his 3rd pitch. Very few MLB pitchers have 3 above average pitches. Most have 1 or 2 average ones and 1 very good one. Chapman already has 2 plus plus pitches. He could afford to take time to get the third pitch up to MLB average and still be effective.
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To be fair
Fangraphs PitchFX has a changeup in there for 2011. He’s only used it 5.3% of the time, but it’s there.
Of course, those could possibly be from when his velocity inexplicably dropped way down that one time and his fastball was coming in around 92-94.
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Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.
Could also be mis-labeled sliders
or attempted sliders that didn’t break.
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I don't think Chapman's going to be a starter
That’s the trend these days. Fireballers end up in the pen, because teams just don’t have the patience to develop them any more.
But watching Verlander’s almost-third no-hitter yesterday, with that 101 mph last pitch, I could help thinking that that could be Chapman. Only better.
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i never said Johnson didn't have a third pitch
he did, it just wasn’t thrown much. Chapman’s change up needs to be merely a show pitch.
Of course if he and Soto hang out and he learns how to throw an awesome change up with the same arm action of a 100 MPH fastball, all the better.
And if the Reds don’t think he can learn a third pitch, trade him.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
chapman is no slam dunk to succeed as a starter
i have a real hard time thinking he’ll be an “ace” in the next year or two.
i think it’s time for him to move out of the bullpen though.
He probably won't be an ace next year, or in 2013
Which is one of the reasons I think the bullpen move was unfortunate. The Reds lost a year to develop him as a starter. He can bounce between AAA and the big leagues if he needs to, there is no shame in that. Many great players went back and forth a bit before sticking.
We have seen it with Cueto, he came up and was inconsistent in 2008 and 2009, last year he started to put it together, and this year he is finally putting his stuff together.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
Seems like the Reds are attempting the same thing the Rangers are with Feliz.
Unfortunately, it seems like Feliz is bound to become a closer.
Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.
They never really mean no, you know.
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I just have a strong feeling we shouldn't trade Alonso
that isn’t really an argument, but I think he is going to be pretty darn good
At least we don't have that gnawing feeling like we have with END
Once Alonzo proved he was willing and capable of playing adequate LF, he at least established that he has a place to play on defense.
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Nice play Rami – some of the mensa members at the local paper website suggested trading the top pitching prospect for a couple months of Aramis, partly because of his excellent defense.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
As we could be fond of telling the CFs
Aramis up your apparatus you keep pissin’ us off.
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did they actually just compliment Theriot for taking a ball that almost hit him?
Nurse: He needs more blankets and he needs less blankets!
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by DannyGraves on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I am still a little puzzled
The Rox and the Tribals knew they were going to trade Ubaldo and yet they started him last night anyhow. Would it not have made just as much sense to let him either finish the game and announce the trade afterward or … announce it before the game and leave him out altogether?
Is MLB that desperate for their 15 minutes on Yahoo that they have to fuck with the fans that way? What was the point of all the Tweeter drama?
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Dear Reds
In your next 25, please win at least 18.
Its completely doable, especially if we get over our Pittsburgh phobia. Hopefully by then they’ve imploded. And I could actually fathom winning this division then.
If we were 8-2 against Pigsburgh, instead of 2-8, we'd be in first place.
If that damned asteroid had missed Earth 65M years ago, dinosaurs would be eating us for lunch.
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by johnu1 on Jul 31, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there are a lot of "ifs" this seaosn
but one of the toughest to deal with were the two blown saves vs. the Brewers. That made a gigantic difference in the standings
Yeah.
Coco had been solid as you could ask for, but after that I want him dead.
by mrsmith35sg on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was in denial over that one. Thanks. I think I will start smoking again.
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Well, not really.
You have lungs like mine and “cig” is an evil prefix or suffix.
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Lucky Sean Marshall
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by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2011 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was looking at some of the other pics form the game
and came across this one. Votto really looks like he isn’t interested in high fiving or is kind of annoyed.
Now its a go. It didn’t load the main picture the first time and I thought it was a story and Poodle was posting in Scottish.
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Red_Terrier!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Badgers have been overrated ever since the Iowa game.
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thanks for posting it
looking at it now, I notice that Stubb’s and Votto’s combined hands look like a pyramid
alternate caption contest:
“Fuck. Now I have to go ALL the way back over there. I just can’t win.”
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Ah, facial expressions ... one second it's there, then it's not.
Votto had an amusing grin on his face in the game after the SF pitcher unleashed that wild one.
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i told my wife that was one of the first times i've ever seen him smile during a game
i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.
he smiles all the time, I've seen it a few times
one time was after the Broxton v. Votto AB while he was standing on first.
missed that
I rarely see him smile in a game, so you know whatever occasions it was something really good/amusing
Stoic, but that's why we love him.
He’s in a strange land, he is still learning our customs.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Jul 31, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
dang
Too bad that trade for Sori fell through.
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Alliances made in Hell.
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Crolfer may hate me for this
But I think I have to root for the Cardinals in their upcoming showdown against the Brewers. The more the Brewers win, the further away they potentially run from the pack. If the Reds can keep on winning, it might do them a lot of good mentally to see that number in the “GB” column get smaller.
How much wood could Chakkuchakkuchakku if you can throw a tree?
Gotta mostly hope they tread water. However that happens is what we want.
At least until we catch up.
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Man, this really sucks ... losing
… those games before the break to the Broo-Hoos.
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Yeah, I was thinking 2 of 3 for the Cardinals would be pretty good
Especially if the Reds can take advantage of two terrible teams this week. Bottom line, this month is as easy as it gets this year so they need to keep their foot on the gas.
by coviner on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ESPN
picked the Reds as one of the biggest losers at the trade deadline. Because the teams ahead of us made deals, and we didn’t.
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Yeah, but they were mostly terrible deals
by coviner on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean because we didn't give ESPN any headlines?
With as much as some teams paid I’m pretty happy the Reds didn’t do anything.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
plus its not like 6.5 back makes them contenders anyway
its like saying the cubs are losers because the teams ahead of them made deals. Pretty much the lazy and tired analysis I expect from ESPN.
Wait, I forgot ... the Bucs signed Lugnuts and Robert E. Lee
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ALL of the Lugnuts?
That seems like a weird move, since the Lansing Lugnuts are a Blue Jays farm team.
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Not all of them, silly.
Just the ones that go on the right-handed bolts.
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yabbut
Jim Bowden was the one giving the grades.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
doesnt matter
its not wise to bet the farm when you’re in 4th place. this team hasnt looked the part all season, this just isnt going to be their year.
its very odd to me the rox traded ubaldo. it will be worth watching how he does the next couple seasons.
hunter pence is another story, for me. he’s a helluva ballplayer
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
any trades the reds made shouldn't have been with the intention of winning this year
that’s a lost cause.
however, they had the opportunity to improve their team for the next 2 & 1/2 years.
they should have been much more aggressive in going after hunter pence
Sounds like Houston didn't want to deal within the division
I like Pence but he cost the Phillies quite a bit, and the price would’ve been higher for us.
by ken on Aug 1, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not buying that as being true
when it comes to trades, I don’t believe a single thing Walt says.
Really? Take a look at the trades this past weekend
The deals for Beltran, Pence, Bourn, Ludwick, Lee, Rasmus/Jackson, and Ubaldo were all out of division. Walt is definitely not the only GM to talk about the difficulty in trading within your division.
by ken on Aug 1, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
walt uses the media only to get his agenda across
i honestly assume that whatever he says, he actually means the opposite.
same with rick pitino & john calipari
Getting Jerry Hairston, thumbs up for that one.
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They're right though
Although, I think we’re more losers if you take into the account where last offseason and the deadline that all 3 teams in front of us improved and we didn’t.
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by BK on Aug 1, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't completely agree that the Birds improved.
They needed some help to stay even. They got a couple of players. Edwin Jackson helps them, I suppose.
I can’t see that Milwaukee experienced a “Sabathia moment” either. They got Hairston because Weeks is out. Hardly an upgrade even for 15 days.
As for the Bucs, I still don’t see them as a team in front of us, though the record says otherwise.
The Phillies improved, if that’s the definition.
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If you take the offseason where they got Berkman and we got nothing into account, maybe
And if you don’t see the Buccos in front of us right now, you need to open your eyes up. All of the talented pieces off the scrap heap they’ve been picking up are getting the right coaching, and all of a sudden they have Lee and Ludwick and a pitching loaded farm system. Maybe they don’t win this year, but they just swapped places with the Astros in my book.
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by BK on Aug 1, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I found part of your reply rather interesting ...
I usually find that when I bring this up, I get yelled out of the conversation and a dead horse picture appears. I was of the belief, according to the RR braintrust, that coaching had almost nothing to do with it. Silly me.
All of the talented pieces off the scrap heap they’ve been picking up are getting the right coaching,
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who knew
That Lance Berkman would have the season he’s having.
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OK, if we consider the off-season,
Milwaukee kicked our ass.
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Milwaukee mortaged the future though
They are small/med. market and now have no farm system. It’s now or never with Fielder leaving. Reds still have a window and the title last year.
/raises hand
i begged all offseason for him to get signed.
but everyone thought jonny gomes was a much better “value”
I remember those conversations
You were fool for thinking Berkman could ever again have a season like this.
I was a fool for calling you a fool.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 1, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, Walt was never going to spend $8 million on anyone this offseason
tHan is right that it would’ve been a great signing, but it just wasn’t going to happen.
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i'm really not sure why the fans are showing up at the games so strongly this season
lots of sellouts through insane heat. i don’t think those people are feeling very rewarded right now
I wonder how much he could have heped
we do score tons of runs. We need/needed pitchers better than Volquez and Arroyo
an actual clean up hitter
and a guy to hit behind votto?
he would have helped a lot
by 'tHan on Aug 1, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know he would have added
and clean up is a big issue right now, but I think we have some other serious problems. For example, they scored 9 runs on Thursday and lost. That just shouldn’t happen with even mediocre pitching
berkman hitting clean up
would have also moved edgard & janish out of the 2nd spot.
i’ll let johnu explain to you why their pitching hasn’t developed
Hah.
Yeah, despite the “strength” of the offense, Berkman is out-OPSing our left fielders by about 200 points.
The staff doesn’t give up 9 runs every game. Berkman would’ve helped a lot.
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the "staph" doesn't give up nine runs a game
but you know our run differential is pretty good. We don’t have the Giants offense. My point is that Berkman would have helped but he by no means would have saved our asses
Would Dusty have batted him behind Votto against RHP, knowing Berkman would be batting lefty?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Sure, why not?
The whole point of knifey-spooney is so the other team can’t bring in a LOOGY to knock out a bunch of lefties in a row. But Berkman would just turn around and bat RHP in that situation.
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yeah I didn't expect it
he seemed done last year. How long is he signed? Just this year? If they keep him next year let’s hope he plays terrible and cost them millions!
one year, %8 mill says bbref
Mr. Berkman made himself quite a bit of money over the last four months.
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thanks for the info
crap, so he’s just a hired gun. Guess we have to hope he starts imploding now and goes on a Dunn-esque slump to finish the season
Better yet, he continues to rake, the Cardinals sign him for 3 years/30 million in the offseason
then he turns into a pumpkin.
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That would be so awesome
I don’t think they’ll be able to though, after giving the diva Ft. Knox money.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That's true.
But if they lose out on Pujols, I could see them giving big money to Berkman as a “consolation prize”. They stick him at 1st base and watch him quickly decline as they pay him like an elite player.
It would be great.
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carpenter, berkman & pujols are all free agents
and i’m sure the cardinals fans are wanting them all re-signed
tough task for their gm
Carp has a $12 million team option for next year
Do you exercise it? I don’t think I do.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Oh lawd
Cubs sign Pujols, Cardinals sign Berkman for 3yrs/$34mil to go with Holliday’s contract (which I believe they’ll end up regretting big time). Two proverbial birds, one stone.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
they would have to sign Bekrman if Pujols walks I think
I actually thought that was part of the reason they signed him in the first place. Get a foot in the door for when Pujols becomes a Cub or something
I hope Pujols becomes a DH for the Yankees or Red Sox.
Just because it would piss a lot of people off, especially Cardinals fans.
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Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.
White Sox
because it pisses off all the people you mention, including Yankee and Red Sox fans. (And Cub fans, to boot)
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Yeah, the team needed to take a firm stance on whether they were going in or not this year, and did neither
Status quo was not the correct answer.
who gives a flying rats ass what ESPN says?
MLB Network FTW!
i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.
I was listening to the Cubs/Cards game
on ESPN radio and they were doing NL Central highlights and when they came to the 9-0 shutout they said “the Reds, try and figure that team out”.
We didn’t get better at the deadline but I think it would be stupid to be buyers in our current situation so it wasn’t a complete loss
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Whoo.
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by BigBabyBruce on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah!
sour mache whiskey!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh man, I am suddenly quite drunk.
I think I may have been overserved. By me.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
by andromache on Aug 1, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
note the time stamp
“In the midnight hour…”
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Sportscenter just did their "NL Central Wrap-Up"
and didn’t even mention the Reds.
Well done, Walter. Well done.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Aha, we fly under the radar once again.
Let’s not rock the boat. Last time we tried that, the damned thing almost sank.
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
you'd feel better if you stopped watching sports center
one of the more worthless shows on TV
by pack_fan on Aug 1, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Walt has us flying under the radar!
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Aug 1, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, flying under the radar also involves flying perilously close to the ground.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
Stealth is fun
When they ain’t expecting it …
If the world truly does end in 2012, that means we have just one more chance to win the World Series.
If flying on the ground is wrong
I’m sure the Reds are sorry to let you down
by Chester Drawers on Aug 1, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That's how my Dad said the kite was supposed to work!
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
What is this "sweep" you speak of?
I don’t think I’ve heard the phrase before
We did just get swept by the mets.
Singer: So did you know you can bring a gun in here now?
'Mache: I BROUGHT TWO! **flexes**
sure you have
We’ve just been on the wrong side of it. :-/
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Oooohh, thats what that was
I just thought that it was weeps, as in what I was doing, silly me
Imma submit my prediction now, as I will be doing something related to a King who owns an island and turned it into a large land mass of rides
Oh, and Arroyo’s pitching
Reds 5
Strohs 4
"Oh, everything looks bad if you remember it."
by Ram27 on Aug 1, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was there last weekend
The new “wind seeker” looks pretty lame, and the Vortex is closed down so hope you were not looking forward to that one. Should be a good day for the water park though
Of course the best looking one is closed
But at least they still have funnel cake. Hot, delicious, sweet, ambrosiac funnel cake.
"Oh, everything looks bad if you remember it."
So your saying there is a chance?
Cueto is pitching great.
Leake is consistently pitching decent.
Maybe Bronson will hit a stride late this year?
Is it time to call up Wood and see if he can be that missing link?
The NL Central is so close right now the Reds still have a chance.
PS 27 or so more days left in Adghanistan!! I’ll be in Pittsburgh for the Reds game on Sept 24th I can’t wait.
by EODRed on Aug 1, 2011 2:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not Arroyo
something is wrong with him.
Bailey picks up. The 60% of the starting staff that is homegrown kicks in and wins out!
Travis Wood is brought up to replace Bronson when they DL him in a week.
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missed your last sentence
before I posted Jim Carrey lol. Glad to hear you’ll be back soon—that game you’re going to may be very important too. In any case, we need to beat the Pirates for a change! In fact, let’s sweep that series
and maybe add
some good fielding.
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Definitely
I’m sure Cueto appreciated it, considering his last outing and the cruddy defense behind him
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
So... what are the odds of Cueto getting the Cy Young?
Is he pretty much guaranteed not to win as his season didn’t start until May and he’s been given mostly Harangian run support leading to a 7-4 record which appears only above average.
.
pretty low unless he wins out and the team does well. I think he falls under the radar combined with worries about one-year-wonderism, I’d say. Felix Hernandez had a great year the prior year and a couple good good years before that. Cueto is Felix 2009, if numbers hold. First great year after a good year after an okay ML level year.
However, if he continues his last 9 or so starts and maintains this level, then he’d have to be in serious contention regardless. Probably still wouldn’t win, barring a Hershisian achievement.
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Cueto has 3 complete games
and is 1-2 in those games.
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The other GMs all heard about CincySavers.com and said screw Walt
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Aug 1, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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