TheVole: "If anything goes wrong, make a sound like a dying giraffe." Reds lose, 8-2.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 27, 2011 10:56 PM EDT
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Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
Joey Votto. The Man has been been playing rather Canadian lately, but he had a nice game tonight with a double and a home run. Nobody else had much offense, and the pitching was bad too. It's as we've said, nothing is clicking together. Honorable mentions go to Jay Bruce (a triple) and Miguel Cairo (a double).
Key Plays
- In the name of honorable sportsmanship, the Mets responded to the Jonny Gomes trade by shipping Carlos Beltran off to San Francisco before the game. A lucky break! Well, no, not exactly. Bronson Arroyo started off poorly, giving up a single to Jose Reyes. He got the next two outs before David Wright also singled. Then his preferred catcher, Ryan Hanigan, let him down with a passed ball, allowing both runners to move into scoring position. Angel Pagan happily obliged by smacking a double. Mets lead, 2-0.
- In the fourth inning, Joey Votto hit his second home run of the series. Apparently Gomes was holding him back. Mets lead, 2-1.
- Arroyo's opposite number, Mike Pelfrey, started the fifth inning by hitting a single. He was erased on a force out by Jose Reyes, but Reyes made up for it by stealing second and advancing to third on Hanigan's errant throw. Arroyo then walked Willie Harris, and Daniel Murphy hit a ball that Jay Bruce couldn't catch and went for a double. Reyes scored easily and Harris went all the way to third. David Wright's sacrifice fly brought Harris the rest of the way in. Mets lead, 4-1.
- Lucas Duda homered leading off the sixth. Mets lead, 5-1.
- Arroyo was clearly toast, so Jose Arredondo came in. And was awful. He walked his first batter, Willie Harris. Daniel Murphy then singled on a ball that deflected off Votto. And David Wright, quite naturally, hit a home run. Mets lead, 8-1.
- Jay Bruce has seen his power dry up in the summer heat, but he did hit a triple in the seventh inning. Chris Heisey then did something Cincinnati left fielders haven't done much in the last decade and hit a sacrifice fly. Mets win, 8-2.
Other Notes
- The Mets used only nine players, as Mike Pelfrey pitched a complete game, and the Mets never needed to go to their bench.
- The Reds defense continues to not impress. Reyes's leadoff single could have been an out, but the throw went in and out of Votto's glove.
- Duda's home run was the 30th allowed by Arroyo this season. It's one short of his career high. Arroyo has also allowed at least four runs in each of his last six starts.
- The Reds are four games under .500 for the first time this season.
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Glad I skipped this game
Anyone else notice the once highly praised Zach Stewart was traded to Chicago in the ridiculous Rasmus trade?
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jul 27, 2011 10:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
May as well go with a complete youth movement.
Call these guys up and for god’s sake give them some playing time to see what they have. Also I don’t know what you do with Arroyo but I’ve seen enough on him on the mound this year.
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have Arroyo to finish out the year
His contract and 10/5 status virtually guarantee that he’s going to be a Red for two more seasons. He needs to be, at worst, a highly overpaid 5th starter over those two seasons. As the Reds slip further out of contention, any pitching he does over the remainder of this season is unlikely to help him achieve that, nor help the Reds finish respectably.
"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 27, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Arroyo takes a LOT of pride in his toughness and durability
He doesn’t go on the DL. He doesn’t miss starts. And our player’s manager doesn’t seem likely to rock the boat, to pick an apt metaphor.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 27, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
Arroyo would rather suck at pitching than miss a start. It’s a point of pride with him. He’s got a streak going, and he’s going to keep it going if it’s humanly possible.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Didn't Cal Ripken play throw some injuries to the detriment of his team?
I don’t understand the idea of well i would rather play everyday and hurt my team for 3 weeks than take a week off, and be at 100% when i come back.
I also don’t understand why Arroyo was second out of the shoot post ASB. He should have been 5th, and the time off may have been good for him.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jul 27, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hideki Matsui
Even when he was hurt, he played. DH, if necessary. He didn’t want to break his streak. Finally it ended when he caught his glove on the grass in a diving catch and broke his wrist. Lost him for most of a season, but I suspect the manager was relieved that he didn’t have to keep playing him every day.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
yeah, i find little noble in keeping a streak alive like that
i’d much rather a player not play when they can’t, then go out there and hurt the team.
I still remember watching Brandon Claussen in 2006. Throughout 2005 he was a guy who worked 87-91, and the first month of 2006 was the same, and all the sudden his velocity dropped like a stone and he got lit up. He kept saying he was fine, nothing was wrong. He ended up having rotator cuff surgery. Which makes you wonder if he took time off when he first had issues, if the injury would have been career ending. Also the Reds could have put a pitcher in there who could get outs.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jul 27, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Are these guys still alive?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Jul 27, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Borat is but that prostitute with him probably isn't.
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
by GrooveLeg on Jul 28, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't Charlize Theron get all fat and ugly to make that movie about her?
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 28, 2011 9:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I believe Arroyo attributes his toughness and durability
to all the “pills” and “supplements” he takes
by LyotardFactory on Jul 28, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
My concern with Arroyo is slightly different.
What this team is going to endure as this dismemberment continues is a decline in walkup attendance. That may not amount to millions of dollars but it’s going to wrap around the corner into winter season tix sales.
Arroyo is not going to be a very appealing draw if he continues to pitch like ka-ka.
I don’t know if we can find a sparkling star to replace him. It’s a tough call. Then again, there may be 13,000 lovelies out there who like to watch him lift his leg.
Skip the debate: The Reds need a new coaching staff.
My wife is one of them
she’s a big Arroyo fan. Especially because he plays guitar in a few commercials. I tell myself, at least she’s into something Reds related….
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
More people will come if we say there'll be punch and pie!
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 28, 2011 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
or even better, a Free Hat!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 28, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Heard Hanley is having character issues in FLA
Lets put a package of Volquez, Bray, Wood and Renteria together.
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Which character does he want to be?
There aren’t many stereotype “Latino” cop shows anymore. He could play a “pimp snitch” to the white guy with the 65 Mustang … those roles are easy enough to find, if they set the series in Miami.
Skip the debate: The Reds need a new coaching staff.
amazing how bad the defense is all of a sudden
There was only one official error: Hanigan’s airmailed throw into the outfield. On a pitchout. He also had a passed ball. And while Joey didn’t get an error on the first inning Reyes “single,” it seems like a play he could have made. That he usually does make. Stubbs also missed a ball that became a ground-rule double that it seemed like he could have gotten. That many CFers would have gotten.
Still…Arroyo was so bad tonight the defense and the offense wouldn’t have saved him, even if they’d been clicking on all cylinders.
Janish was 0 for 3 but did make three nice defensive plays. I particularly liked that 360 degree spin move. Mets announcers thought he didn’t have a chance to make that play, but he did, and pretty easily.
Yonder was 0 for 1, but made a nice sliding catch in the corner (of the sort Gomes used to make – sniff). He looked like a real left fielder, so there’s that.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, these guys are phoning it in now.
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
That's kind of my thinking on why I want a youth movement
Meso, Sapp, Alonso, Frazier, and Cozart might suck, but they’ll play hard, and there’s a very real chance they could improve the team.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Jul 28, 2011 9:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just don't see Sapp getting the call this year
and I am OK with that
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Even if we go "youth,"
They will come up, sit the bench and get 4 AB a week. Even Welsh made an offhanded (well, general) comment about the Reds calling up Yonder and having him sit the bench. I kept wondering where he’d play. It isn’t like Heisey hasn’t earned a chance.
We should use Frazier at 3B, and Meso could replace the RH factor behind the plate.
After that, Cozart HAS gotten the job. That leaves Alonzo and Sappelt, who can’t find a place, unless we assume that we want Alonzo to play ahead of Votto. Sapp could get some RF time ahead of Bruce. Those aren’t exactly upgrades, just letting somebody else play. We would not have a better team, just different.
So youth to make us more interesting still won’t turn this team around. Overall morale won’t change by putting guys in who aren’t getting the job for any other reason than “punishment” over sloppy play by regulars.
That won’t do anything for morale either.
Skip the debate: The Reds need a new coaching staff.
WLBs lost with runners on 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs, bottom 9, down 2, with Pujols at the plate
"You! Look what you've done. My starting pitcher thinks he's a chicken."
hah
Lohse was pinch-running for Freese.
That means Milwaukee is back in sole possession of first place.
Cards are half a game back
Bucs are 1.5 games back.
Reds are 5.5 games back.
Like Castellini said, it’s getting late.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
yeah he's the cubs first baseman next season
he’ll hit .211/.299/.400 and get traded to the jays for a bag of rocks and then proceed to hit .389/.450/.750 and the Jays will end the season in 3rd place.
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yes and then pujols will get shipped to Cincy
for a playoff run and will then be picked up by the nationals in the following season.
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who do you sell?
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jul 27, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know hwo takes Cairo, he still has another year
and who will take Renteria. He is of almost 0 value.
Monie has value, and should be dealt.
Coco should be dealt, I bet he has value. Plus that allows the Reds to audition for 2012 closer.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jul 27, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Cairo would definitely be a tough sell, but he's put 2 nice seasons together as a utility guy.
He’s also cheap and has been valuable, so maybe you keep him for next year.
The Reds could eat salary and trade Cordero, but I’m not holding my breath.
I think Renteria has more value for us than most anyone else
He’s our starting SS now. If we get rid of him, Janish becomes the starter…with no backup. There really isn’t anyone in AAA, even.
Cozart is talking about being back in three weeks. Pete Abe’s rule of baseball injuries: double the time the team or player gives you. The Reds aren’t going to go with only one healthy SS.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
But crolfer is still young and has plenty of upside.
We need to be looking to trade the veterans like Madville.
Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.
by sexsalad on Jul 28, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
which half?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 30, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
We could never replace Madville's veteran presence
and thread-house influence
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Veteran presence is overrated. We need to get younger!
Let’s trade him for a college student who can do some 3 am drunk posting and a retweeter to be named later. And cash considerations, of course.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 28, 2011 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I guess it's more to BF's point below - need to get the org on the same page.
There’s no one out there that will really help us win now. BJ Upton and Hunter Pence would be nice pieces, but we have Yonder/Heisey for that. Cozart will come back at SS. 3B is the biggest hole for the future unless Frazier can OPS .800 at the MLB.
So… go get Shields, call up Mesoraco, and put it together for next year.
Arroyo’s contract is lookin’ like an albatross these days, given what happens to it if he is cut or traded.
it sounds like
Castellini wants to win this year. Maybe his business plan is counting on increased ticket sales or something, but he seems determined. Sounds like Jocketty has a different view.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Maybe someone needs to tell Bob that, best case, the Reds need to win roughly 60% from here on out to win the division.
If any of the teams ahead of us go on a run, that’s it. 5.5 games back this late…. play for next year.
i think
we need to ship off wood, volquez and heisey for ubaldo..
don’t get me wrong. i love heisey but if thats how we get a stud pitcher….well
i wanna get chocolate wasted!!!!!
that is great
but does Colorado think they need to ship off Ubaldo for Wood, Volquez, and Heisey?
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jul 27, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Ubaldo is FISHY to me, dudes.
Why shop a supposed “ace” under team control for 3 years? Makes zero sense unless something is up. They know he’s not as good as he showed in the first half last year, so they’re dealing him. Epitome of sell high. Don’t blink, Walt.
or they don't think they will be ready to win until after he leaves
and realize they can get the most for him while he still has 2 years of control.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jul 27, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
why wouldn't they be able to?
they have a great young core of guys with tulo, cargo, the pitching staff, rosario the prospect…
still, i think the value in wood/chappy/mesoraco next year >>> ubaldo.
Velocity is falling off
and for a power pitcher, his fastball has not been very effective this season.
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yeah
I would do that deal, but I don’t think the Rockies would.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I dunno why I'm not buying that Ubaldo is any good anymore.
but I’m not. Wood, Volquez and Heisey I’d trade, but not Mesoraco or Chapman.
I think they're
Trying to sell high with Ubaldo…common practice for pitchers..over pay and hope for the best…i mean even cliff lee has really only had one dominant season…
and by 1
you mean 2008-2011.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jul 28, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, just one stretch of dominance in his career
Isn’t that what he said? pssh if he thinks he’s going to the HoF or anything.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I don't know either
Look at his peripherals. He’s doing the same as last year, just more unlucky
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Jul 28, 2011 7:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't despair, y'all!
The Cardinals just picked up Corey Patterson!!
And they gave away Colby Rasmus to do it!
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Seriously?
we’re about to be swept by the Mets. Who cares what teams ahead of us are doing if we can’t ever put a winning streak together.
by RedHopeful on Jul 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry but the thom brennaman love for Johnny Gomes is a fucking joke
I didn’t watch much of the game but there was a point when I was listening and heard something along the lines of “and there are thousands of young reds fan watching this game having their heart broken because they don’t see Johnny Gomes.” Fucking embarrassing
by vottomatic on Jul 28, 2011 12:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Oh and the other short period I was listening was alonso's sliding catch
And of course thom says “reminiscent of Gomes. You know I never understood why Gomes got such a bad rap out there…blah blah bullshit.”. Idk thom. Maybe because any reasonable idiot can tell that he sucks unlike yourself, who is unable to get past the cock in your fucking mouth
by vottomatic on Jul 28, 2011 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Did I mention the way the reds have been playing is frustrating the hell out of me?
by vottomatic on Jul 28, 2011 12:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well it is his Dad's Cock after all.
"A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer." - Robert Frost
by Madville on Jul 28, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Did he really say that?
Incredible. I bet he cried for hours after the deal was made.
"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me
quite possibly days
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 30, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else clinging to the easy schedule in Aug Sept?
Feel bad for Arroyo. Feel worse watching him.
I can’t see any reason to be buyers now. Like the Rolen deal a while back, whatevers done now needed to be done a month ago.
While I’m not conceding the playoffs, I’d love to see some of the kids play. Frazier, Cozart, Mesoraco, Alonso…heck bring em all up..Sappelt too.
I’m really curious as to what they will do with Phillips come December…
Ya pick up the damn option.
Let his FA year handle itself. Maybe just offer him arbitration every year.
I have no idea who our second best 2B in the minors is.
B-Ham or Torreyes probably
both of which are light years away. Like you said, pick up the option and reevaluate. I see no scenario where the Reds decide not to at least pick up the option,m and hopefully they learn from Bronson and let the option year play out before thinking about extending him.
Exactly. Walt needs to stop unecessarily extend aging players
And Rodriguez could very well be ready in 2013. He’ll start next year in AAA
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Jul 28, 2011 7:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
all i know
is if they get rid of volquez……i wouldn’t cry one bit.
we have some great talent sitting down here in louisville
danny dorn, juan francisco to name a few. we have tradable material. but if we’re going to go after a stud pitcher we’re going to need to get rid of someone good. Ubaldo could be on a down slope….but he’s better than 3/4 of our starting pitcher probably 60% of the time.
point being…..we don’t have good pitching. cueto has 3 pitches…..3. roy halladay is throwing 5 consist NASTY pitches……we need someone with a good pitch that isn’t a fastball or changeup….and does it consistently.
and don’t worry i believe walt j when he says chapman and mesaraco are untouchable
i wanna get chocolate wasted!!!!!
If Dorn and Francisco are the highlights of AAA
then I hope the talent is stacked at lower levels.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
by kcgard2 on Jul 28, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How in the world is BK not a mod over there already?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Jul 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damned shame when a guy can get HM star of the game with a double.
It’s kind of like coming in first in a funeral procession.
Skip the debate: The Reds need a new coaching staff.
it's like rayeeeayn
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
or
being the smartest kid with down syndrome..
stolen from a movie..dont’ hate me
i wanna get chocolate wasted!!!!!
Or failing to reply correctly
"You! Look what you've done. My starting pitcher thinks he's a chicken."
I woke up this morning
and this was the first song I heard. I found it so appropriate I would have started crying if I could feel anything at all.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 28, 2011 8:20 AM EDT reply actions
did you turn on some music, to start your day?
Did you close your eyes? Did she slip away?
A Ongreed the Deserving
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by supergrover on Jul 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for South Park reference
Also, read this: http://jasonschreier.com/2011/07/27/twitter-killing-journalism/
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
Arroyo's HRs
Eric Milton holds the record for HRs allowed by a Red with 40. He allowed 1.93 HR/9 that season. Arroyo’s currently at 2.15 HR/9. The record’s his for the taking.
the Reds have got me feeling blue
da ba dee da ba die
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 28, 2011 8:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
if I was green I would die.
"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24
Or you'd be put in a "crispy" bun and sold for a dollar across from the playground at GABP
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Reds, I am disappoint.
Even now, I don’t see the 5.5 games as insurmountable.
I look up and down the roster and feel that “if this guy” or “that guy” starts to hit “like they can”, we can make up that lead and get a 15 of 20 streak going.
Then, every night, they go out and show me that they just are unable to do it. “Hit like they can” means very bad streaks with moments of promise intermingled.
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If it were one team, I'd like our chances.
When it’s three teams, it starts to get a lot tougher. All three won’t go into a losing streak.
Although between the Cardinals trade (which I think will hurt them this year) and the Weeks injury hurts those teams this year. I think we could still win the division with a whole lot of luck. Be a lot easier with Matt Kemp, though.
I think it hurts the Cards every year in the future
but helps them this year
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Yeah, I think our chances are pretty much kaput this year
If we pull off the improbable, it will be because Bruce catches on fire again, Votto keeps slugging, and the bullpen is close to lights out. IOW, no single trade will make the difference for us this year.
I'm not so sure
The team has consistently shown that it is incapable of doing what it takes to toe the accelerator, let alone actually try to gain any momentum.
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by supergrover on Jul 28, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
if they win 2 in a row
they’ll lose 3 in a row, they just can’t stop skids and I primarily blame the bullpen and starting pitching. This week though, I have to blame defense as well
i think the bullpen is feeling the effects of earlier this year
they threw a ton of innings.
The starting pitching got itself together just a bit too late.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jul 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
the bullpen was heavily over worked
I’m still convinced that the season was decided by that terrible road trip featuring the 19 inning game. The gap we created there has never really been closed
What is really unfortunate is there are no interesting starting pitchers heading towards free agency
C.J. Wilson is really the only one who the Reds should even consider.
I do wish they had a hard throwing lefty ready to take a spot in the rotation…
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jul 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
it's really remarkable
Last season, so much of the playoff push was attributed to the veterans being around to guide to youngsters through a race.
This season, the people that are falling flat on their face in the midst of the race are the veterans.
Arroyo’s been terrible, Rolen has been both hurt AND terrible, Gomes was pretty terrible before being traded, CoCo blew 3 saves in a row before the break that I still say was the crippling moment for the season, and while Hernandez was really hot early even he has cooled off considerably over the last month.
The core/youngsters are doing just fine: Votto is Votto, Bruce is out-pacing last year, Cueto has been a top 10 NL pitcher, BP is right in line with his career numbers, and Stubbs isn’t far off last year’s production.
That’s the most depressing part to me.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 28, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
those 3 blown saves were total back breakers
CoCo was due to implode, but it’s a shame it had to happen against division leading rivals
and yet young players like Heisey, Frazier, and Alsonso haven't been really given a chance to aid the failing veterans.
Nothing succeeds like failure.
by Yossarian22 on Jul 28, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Heisey has had a decent chance
The entire LF situation is more defined as a clusterfuck than a failure.
The overall problem is that the difference between winning and losing is not that great. The Reds were usually just the 6th or 7th inning away from it. That’s when the pitching always hit the wall.
Early on it was the 1st inning but I would have to look back to see exactly how much a problem that really was, as opposed to our perception. I think it had a lot to do with morale early on and we maybe have not noticed that as the season rambled on.
I don’t see that the young guys from Batland would have made a big difference in a locker room being managed by a clueless coaching staff.
Bad rotation pitching (usually) and very poor hitting (often) combined with asinine baserunning (often enough) … can lead to a slump. A slump should not last all season.
Skip the debate: The Reds need a new coaching staff.
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