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Winhouse! Reds win, 11-2.

Jesus, how am I supposed to follow crolfer?  I'm not even drunk.

Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game

Edgar Renteria.  Pressed into service after Zack Cozart's unfortunate injury, the aged shortstop turned in a fine afternoon.  He went 2-4 with a double, two runs scored and another three driven in.  Well done, Edgar!  Honorable mentions go to Brandon Phillips (3-5, two doubles and two RBI) and Homer Bailey and His Boisterous Bullpen, for a fine game pitched.

Key Plays

  • In a stunning reversal of type, the Reds scored first.  In the first inning, Drew Stubbs walked and stole second base just like a leadoff hitter!  Zack Cozart then bunted him to third, where he scored on Joey Votto's groundout.  Classic smallball, worked to perfection.  Reds lead, 1-0.
  • Homer Bailey ran into a rough second inning.  Dan Uggla singled to start things off, and Bailey walked Eric Hinske.  Alex Gonzalez, as he often did at Great American Ball Park, popped out, but Nate McLouth of the Clan McLouth hit a single that loaded the bases.  Then Derek Lowe, the pitcher of all people, hit a double that scored Uggla and Hinske.  Bailey then walked Martin Prado - "The Interruption" - to load the bases once more.  If he couldn't get out the pitcher, what chance did he have against Jason Heyward?  A good one, it turns out.  Heyward J'Blowme popped out and Brian McCann Brian McCouldn't either, flying out to Drew Stubbs.  Braves lead, 2-1.
  • The Reds grounded into two double plays in the buildup to the sixth inning, when they finally broke through.  Dizzy Jay Bruce (brother of Daffy Jay Bruce) pinch hit for Homer Bailey and smacked a double.  "Aim for the one in the middle," they always say, and I guess it's true.  Mike Leake pinch ran for Bruce, and ran to third as Drew Stubbs bunted safely, putting runners on the corners.  Substitute Edgar Renteria also doubled, and Leake and Stubbs both scored, putting Bailey in line for the win.  Joey Votto singled, putting Renteria on third and Brandon Phillips doubled, putting Renteria on home base and Votto on third and Derek Lowe in the dugout.  George Sherrill came in with two runners in scoring position and no outs, but induced a harmless grounder from Fred Lewis.  Then Scott Proctor came in, and struck out Jonny Gomes and got Todd Frazier to ground out.  Reds lead, 4-2.
  • Proctor was not nearly so effective in the seventh inning, however.  Ryan Hanigan started the inning with a double, and Chris Heisey followed with a run-scoring single.  Heisey went to second on the throw, so Drew Stubbs bunted once again.  This time it was a sacrifice, and Heisey stood on third with one out.  Not for long though, because Edgar Renteria singled him in.  Proctor walked Joey Votto and then walked to the dugout.  His replacement, Christhian Martinez, was no better.  Brandon Phillips doubled, and Renteria scored, with Votto moving to third.  Martinez intentionally loaded the bases by walking Fred Lewis.  He then unintentionally walked pinch hitter Miguel Cairo, forcing in Votto.  Todd Frazier then got his first big league RBIs, hitting a bases loaded double that drove in all three runners.  Reds win, 11-2.

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via www.fangraphs.com


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Other Notes

  • The seven runs in the seventh inning were the most runs scored in a single inning against the Braves all season.
  • Zack Cozart hyperextended his left elbow making a tag in the fourth inning.  Edgar Renteria also had an upset tummy, but Cozart's ouchie was worse, so Edgar had to play.
  • For all the talk of attendance woes, the Reds sold out this game.  The crowds were drawn, no doubt, by the Jonny Gomes bobbleheads that were given out.  Still, Cincinnati now has 11 sellouts on the year, matching the most for a season at Great American.
  • Derek Lowe's double was the eighth hit by a Braves pitcher this year.  Only the Giants staff, with 9, has more.
  • Showing some bench depth, the Reds had four players bat as pinch hitters or injury replacements, and each reached base, and each scored a run (well, Mike Leake scored because he pinch ran for Jay Bruce, who pinch hit for Homer Bailey).

 


 

Final - 7.23.2011 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RHE
Atlanta Braves 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 6 0
Cincinnati Reds 1 0 0 0 0 3 7 0 X 11 13 1
WP: Homer Bailey (5 - 4)
LP: Derek Lowe (6 - 8)

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first!

The last time we were division front runners(94-95), we were both in the top five in payroll and attendance. Maybe we can restart this trend.

by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jul 23, 2011 9:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

rec'd for the reference

Any winhouse mention gets a rec. Everytime!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 23, 2011 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, you could start with that annoying Fangraph.

It doesn’t give the pitch count when the worm turns and it’s clearly designed to be How Baseball Is Played for Idiots. There is no emotion in it at all, nothing that suggests the purveyor of such drivel actually witnessed the game.

Beyond that, this is just another Reds walkover victory. I really think I’d get tired of this kind of recap if it happened every day. I mean, don’t you get sick of (yawn) telling fans how the Reds ground down another turkey opponent?

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 23, 2011 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Your fettucini, amigo.

Glad I could be of sustenance.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 23, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

No hand-drawn Fangraph?

Boooo!

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 23, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I lollerskated at the caption.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Jul 23, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Cards whaled on the Bucs, 9-1

Milwaukee in first place
St. Louis half a game back
Pittsburgh 1.5 games back
Cincinnati 4.5 games back

Milwaukee leading 1-0 in the 4th. If they win, they stay in sole possession of first place and extend their lead. If they lose, they’ll be tied for first with the Cards.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 23, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

And the RailCats have won their last 8, including 6 on the road.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 23, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brewers ended up losing

That means the Cards are in first place (by a hair)
Brewers virtually tied for first
Bucs 1 game back
Reds 4 games back

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

2.249 million

If the Reds continue at this pace.

I was thinking 30K would be pushing it this year and we are at 27.4K.

All the same, not seriously shabby. I think this pulls the team out of the “we’re not worthy” conversation, but still it’s not great.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 23, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Has anybody actually realized ...

We are sort of “lucky” to have Rentawreck.
He’s our only shortstop now.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 23, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

This is why he wasn't DFA'd earlier

Now at least we’ll have Renteria + Janish, if they decide to bring Janish back up. If Renteria were gone, they’d be in a real pickle.

How much wood could Chakkuchakkuchakku if you can throw a tree?

by ThePensive on Jul 23, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez can help

"You! Look what you've done. My starting pitcher thinks he's a chicken."

by Ram27 on Jul 23, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

Easy to say “DFA Renteria, he’s a bum” but Jocketty has to think about depth.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

so is Cozart going on the DL now, I imagine?

and the Paul Janish Experience returns?

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 23, 2011 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

They'll probably make the decision this morning

See how Cozart feels after a night’s sleep.

The Fayplacement said he was getting a MRI after the game. If it’s not too bad, they’ll probably keep him around, just like they kept Janish around after he sprained his ankle. Renteria can start for a few days.

As a couple of people said in the game thread…worse-case scenario, Cozy doesn’t go on the DL but can’t play, either, and the Reds play short-handed until they finally DL Cozart and call up Janish in August.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's how the reds usualy play it

"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker

by featherman on Jul 24, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

that play did not look good

I saw something similar in my younger years on the field. My throw as a 3rd baseman charging on a bunt went into the baseline. Dislocated elbow for the 2nd baseman coming over for the throw. I still feel bad for the throw I made.

by Howie Feltersnatch on Jul 24, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Wingraph for the Reds...

Not a good Tachyogram for a drug addict.

by MatthewH on Jul 23, 2011 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this a Winehouse thread, now?

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by supergrover on Jul 24, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

just to be a downer after a crushing victory

could it be that the sellout was due to a bunch of dirtbag Braves fans?

Listening to the MLB.tv radio broadcast, there sure was a lot of cheering for the away team.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jul 23, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Somebody has to buy the tickets. Hell, if they fill our coffers, fine.

I didn’t think they had that much of a road following.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 23, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean it helps

I went to all three of the Braves games when they came to Cincinnati last year, they were all sold out and there were probably 5,000-10,000 Braves fans, but it is hardly a Wrigley south atmosphere exhibited a few years ago.

And for what it is worth I noticed that when I went to the Reds/Indians game in Cleveland in 2010, there were a high number of Reds fans.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 23, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to a game here in Tampa and the crowd was about half Reds fans.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

brewers down 4-2 in the top of the ninth

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Giants win 4-2

In a shocking move, Wilson does a stupid cross-armed point to the heavens in an unnecessarily exuberant celebration.

"You! Look what you've done. My starting pitcher thinks he's a chicken."

by Ram27 on Jul 24, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he keeps getting saves against the Brewers he can do whatever he wants.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, true

"You! Look what you've done. My starting pitcher thinks he's a chicken."

by Ram27 on Jul 24, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

So...

Brewers and Cards tied for first, Pitt one game behind them, Reds 4 games out.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

So, here's the deal

Mads is on a mission that is vital to the security of the world. I’m the only one with the code to decipher his transmissions. Standby for further information.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Jul 24, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Is it Rt65ULp?

"You! Look what you've done. My starting pitcher thinks he's a chicken."

by Ram27 on Jul 24, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have some folks monitoring it.

This is a pretty important assignment.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He'll probably be out of commission for a while.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Jul 24, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

This just in from Fangraphs ...

Whoa, sounds ominous …

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

I had a facebook status that was bitching about people who were talking a bunch about the Amy Winehouse thing. That was directed at a bunch of girls who were freaking out over it and filling up my feed with garbage. No offense meant to any RR’rs.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Jul 24, 2011 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

On the topic of Facebook and you

it made me chuckle that Luna inspires you on a level equivalent to Darwin, Linnaeus (wasn’t his evolution theory totally fucked up/wrong?), and some other people.

"You! Look what you've done. My starting pitcher thinks he's a chicken."

by Ram27 on Jul 24, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Indeed. Linnaeus is on there mostly for his taxonomic and entomological contributions, as are most of the other. But Luna tops ’em all.

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Jul 24, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

GABP song identification

I’m trying to figure out what they play when the Reds are batting. It’s a five or six second piece of some song, with the singer saying something to the effect of “the bolts come off” over and over, as the tempo increases. (Every time I hear it I think the lyrics are something different.) It’s used in the same manner as “Make some noise, make noise”.

by jonterry on Jul 24, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you are referring to...

Think the words you’re hearing are “come on come on”, and I believe it is a Gary Glitter tune. My wife sings “the walks will haunt” in place of the real lyrics.

Stools are where once upon a time you'd find a chair. A chair's for fools! Everybody wants stools!

by ClownPenis.Fart on Jul 24, 2011 1:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for the help

It’s “I’m The Leader of the Gang (I Am)” by Gary Glitter

by jonterry on Jul 24, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Edgar was sick too?

what’s going on around here! Anyway, I got to go to the game today and it looked very ugly through 5 and I was really down about Cozart’s injury. Scoring 10 runs really improved my mood

by Red_Poodle on Jul 24, 2011 1:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I know how you feel

it was fun to watch the complete reversal of mood in the game thread. It seems we really aren’t that difficult to please after all.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Jul 24, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Opinion from the Cheap Seats

Folks, it was 95 and stupid humid yesterday.

TIP YOUR FUCKING VENDORS when they bring you shit in your seat. You do this everyday, not just the hot ones.

I lost count of how many people stiffed the young guys or said “Keep the quarter.” I saw a guy look like he would pass out after hucking 50 pounds of beers up the stairs.

It’s only right. Karma will bite.

by OHSnap on Jul 24, 2011 7:16 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

this is the correct course of action

This is America. We’re notorious across the globe for tipping for every little damn thing, so live the stereotype. Err on the side of too much and try your best not to ruin the days of your servicepeople.

My car broke down a couple of days ago right in the middle of the afternoon. The tower was suprised that I tipped him, but hey, it was 95 degrees and he was doing manual labor to make my life easier. It’s the least I can do.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 24, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

*from a cow

"Luna Lovegood is really freaking awesome in every way." -Me

by crolfer on Jul 24, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would a cow need money?

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

how much did you tip him?

What I hate about tipping is it’s hard to know who to tip and how much, especially for situations you don’t run into every day.

I still haven’t figured out if you’re supposed to tip the photographers who lead photo tours/workshops. You would tip an ordinary tour guide, but “professionals” aren’t supposed to be tipped. I’ve been advised that I should buy a meal for them in thanks, but you don’t always get that opportunity. And if I do tip them, how much? I’m always afraid that if it’s too little, they’ll be insulted.

Yesterday, I went on a tour run by a nonprofit group. They were all volunteers. We weren’t sure if we should tip or not – in particular, the guy piloting the boat. (We had already made a contribution to the cause, hence the tour.)

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

standard rule of thumb

Tip what you feel it would be worth if you did it yourself for a living.

No need to tip volunteers.

No help from us here on what to tip photographers on tours. That’s your neck of the woods. Id recommend getting chummy wiith one and ask them bluntly what most people tip and what is proper,

Tip your servers and babartenders 20+ percent.

Tip your limo drivers whatever your drunk ass can most effectiveluy calculate.

Tip your hair cutter five bucks.

Jch gives just the tip.

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 24, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

disagree about hair

Maybe if you’re a guy just getting a trim but $5 would be really chintzy for the kind of bucks a woman often shells out.

I’ll add…tip housekeeping if you stay in a hotel. A lot of people who should know better don’t even know you’re supposed to do that. A dollar per person per day is a good start; more for very good service or in a high-end hotel. Some people leave money every day, some at the end of the stay. I do both: a dollar a day during the stay, then another dollar per day when I leave.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm sure the $5 tip for a haircut was from a male point of view

also, often times i’m able to get coupons for my haircut. in that case i tip $5 plus the amount of the haircut

by 'tHan on Jul 24, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much effort do you get for a haircut?

My kid gets a 5-2.
Two minutes with clippers.

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by supergrover on Jul 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

My tips for hair cuts change

if the guy owns his own shop I tip him less, because in theory he is keeping all the profit anyway. If they are employees I tip more.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 24, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

traditionally

You weren’t supposed to tip the owner at all.

Nowadays, a lot of people do tip the owner as well.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

put the zero blade on

Buzz, buzz. Shampoo afterwards. Skip the back massage thingie.

10 mins tops.

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 24, 2011 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Do bartender tips change for beer compared to mix drinks?

I tend to tip a dollar per beer.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 24, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

im an old fart

Shocked me that PF changs was charging $10 for a woodford reserve on the rocks last night.

Too pricy, so I went with the 2.95 iced green tea. And a draft Mt Carmel amber.

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 24, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I almost always get a beer when I am at the bar

so unless it is some really special beer it tends to cost more than a dollar.

I would probably tip a little more for mixed drinks because their is more labor involved than opening the refrigerator and the bottle, or operating the tap.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 24, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't usually tip if I'm buying beer.

I don’t believe in tipping the bartender for grabbing a beer and opening it for me. I only tip when they make me a drink.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jul 24, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

do bar tenders get paid minimum wage?

Why tip a waitress, all she is doing is carrying your food from the kitchen to your table, she doesn’t make anything?

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 24, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've always said, "if you don't have the money for a tip, then you don't have enough for what you're buying"

of course, i’ve worked for tips since i was like 12

i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 24, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was hot as shiiit at the game yesterday.

Stood out behind section 103 yesterday, because we had bleacher seats. The bleachers were like a convection oven. We brought a bottle of Woodford with us, the snow cone stand was right next to us, and the girl working there kept filling our cups up with snow cone ice for free. Whiskey slushies FTW!

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jul 24, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate McLouth.

"You! Look what you've done. My starting pitcher thinks he's a chicken."

by Ram27 on Jul 24, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

He really needs to get a fastball in the teeth today.

Max effort. From Chapman.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was my first reaction before seeing the play

but that was all Votto.

Also if he could get a free base out of that, would you blame him for doing it?

The ball was still live when that happened.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 24, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait till the play is over and visit the kid in the recovery room.

Seems cruel but I also saw a lot of guys who got HBP, limp to first base, clutching wrist in agony … then steal second and third bases, grin like a possum …

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree here, it's not on Mclouth IMO

And it’s his job to take an extra base.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 24, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

when outfielders collide and are hurt on the ground, so the third outfielder has to get the ball, nobody expects the base runners to just stand at the base while the ball is live out there.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 24, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's different

because McLouth was the one what did the hurtin’ on Zack. Not taking the extra base is probably the gentlemanly thing to do there.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he really didn't do the hurting

Votto made a low throw in the path of the baserunner, and Cozart choose to stick his arm down in harms way.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 24, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

I’m not saying McClouth is responsible, but he did cause it.

And either way, he decided not to run because Homer was right there to get the ball, not out of any sense of fair play.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 24, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd have to agree with Yossarian here, I think.

If I’m playing a game for fun with my friends or something, it’s obvious that you go with the “fair play” thing and stay where you are. But if baseball is your job, it’s not really about being gentlemanly, it’s about winning.

As much as I’d love to think that any of our guys would have done differently, I doubt they would have. This is their livelihood, after all.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

and i mean it is capitalizing on an error if he made it to third

it was a bad throw.

If Bailey, or another infielder wasn’t heads up enough to run to a live ball, he should take third.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 24, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe not all on Votto

But McLouth did absolutely nothing wrong. He didn’t even slide in particularly hard. (I was surprised Cozart was injured, because there really wasn’t much of a collision.) McLouth certainly should have taken an extra base if he could have.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't always matter how hard the collision is.

Some of the worst injuries in any sport are on hits that look completely innocuous. I’ve been hit in the chest at full speed by a near-300 pound man (they really shouldn’t have the freshmen practice with the seniors) and was completely unharmed. I’ve also been twisted to the ground by a stationary 140 pounder in a tackling drill and came out of it with my knee hurt.

Sometimes weird stuff just happens in sports and it doesn’t really matter how violent the play looks.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You stop using your logic.

I just really want to see someone get an Aroldis Chapman fastball in the mouth.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't been there before (but I will next year for Lark)

but I’m not sure the HOF Ceremony is worth sitting in the grass for hours for.

by KSE on Jul 24, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

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Reds place SS Zack Cozart on the disabled list (left elbow). Recall from Louisville SS Paul Janish.

by vottomatic on Jul 24, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh stop whining, you little Birdbrain.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean Votto hurt the team more with the throw

than anything else he’s done all year? Or anything Janish has done all year?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 24, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

How quickly the mighty fall.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 24, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

Votto leads the league in OBP, but one poor throw which leads to an unfortunate incident in which a slightly above average SS gets hurt cancels that out.

Makes sense to me!

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Than is correct

I hope Edinson yells at votto for his sloppy and turrible throws yesterday.

Votto needs to move to lf

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 24, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Soft J returns

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Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jul 24, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

fth

What is that?

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

My buddy was planning on making some Janish shirts at the beginning of the year

this was his start to the artwork. The idea got scrapped due to Janish’s poor performance.

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.

by -ManBearPig on Jul 24, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, hopefully he'll do better

Janish seems to have turned the corner in Louisville. When he was first sent down, it was unbelievable, how screwed up he was at the plate. He was 2-28 his first eight games. And he just looked bad. Not looking the ball in, body parts flying all over the place.

Then the last week, it’s like someone flipped a switch. He went 4 for 5 in one game, and since then, he’s been mashing: .600 / .611 / .933 since that game. Including a home run, his first of the year (including spring training). His batting average was .071 a week ago. Since then, he’s pushed it up to .256. In just five games.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Janish now has to play reserve SS

He will play when Rentawreck doesn’t.
A little different than the spring scenario.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

EdRent actually has a positive UZR. Just barely (0.2,) but stlll…

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

UZR is pointless in his 37 start sample size.

That said, he was actually slightly positive in UZR the past two years as well. The bigger issue is his asstastic .950% fielding percentage. That would easily be the worst among all qualified SS this year, and would place him at 5th worst in the entire majors in FPCT.

by Geki on Jul 24, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roy Halliday ...

19 walks in 153 innings.
Now, I know the guy is good, but isn’t that a tad on the ridiculous side?

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm far from the first to say this and it's not a unique idea, but in my mind there's not much debate that Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball.

He’s unbelievable. He can throw 120 pitches in a game and the 120th will be just as nasty as the first. His cutter is insane; he’s basically Mariano Rivera, except he’s a starter who has great stamina and really good secondary stuff.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He probably gets a few friendly calls.

All the same, with that much control, he probably earns it.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He definitely gets some friendly calls.

All the best players do.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tonight's lineup

Drew Stubbs 8
Edgar Renteria 6
Joey Votto 3
Brandon Phillips 4
Jay Bruce 9
Chris Heisey 7
Miguel Cairo 5
Ramon Hernandez 2
Dontrelle Willis 1

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I get the sense

that Chris Heisey is starting to get a decent share of playing time. Giddy up.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 24, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

over at Fay's blog

Someone is demanding that Dusty be fired for starting Renteria and Cairo instead of Janish and Frazier.

And that Dontrelle bat leadoff and Stubbs bat last.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Those people are just so uncivilized.

/wipes nose off on the back of the couch

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 24, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Sorkin put it best:
From time to time I’ll read some of the comments under stories to get a sense of what it must be like at a Klan meeting.

by FordhamRam on Jul 24, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Making "comments under stories" is pretty much what we're doing right now.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I support an agenda that lets us comment on everything.

Afterward, we write a story about it.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cards and Pirates in the tenth

I’d like to see that one go about 17.

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Jul 24, 2011 4:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Bucs win

Not sure if that’s good or bad.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

good

their 2006-Reds like collapse is inevitable.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 24, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

it means the Brewers are in sole possession of first place

Cards and Bucs are now tied for second, half a game back.

Reds still 4 games back.

We’re not making up any ground. :-(

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luckily, the teams in front are all around .500

Reds need to act on it in the next week, lest they become sellers for sure.

\this season was lost in May, just as last was won

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by supergrover on Jul 24, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to go ahead and say it's good, personally.

In a series between two of the teams ahead of us, I want them to split (or close to it) to keep one of them from pulling away.

Of course, I could also see the logic behind wanting one team to dominate so the other one falls further down and we are then more likely to pass them.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are two pretty big ifs.

but still, sort of encouraging. 3 games sounds like a whole hell of a lot less than the 5 games it was at going into yesterday.

Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see?
Sometimes your skills just hypnotize me.
And I just love your veteran ways,
You're unappreciated and under-paid.

by sexsalad on Jul 24, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah 5 is a number that i put a lot of weight on

anything more than 5 seems hard to overcome, anything less seems doable.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 24, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not count our chickens before they win two ina row, shall we?

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by supergrover on Jul 24, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds need more bats

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 24, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicken?

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwin Jackson beat Justin Masterson in a battle of pitchers whose names end with an "n"

Brandon Claussen was, of course, injured

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Jul 24, 2011 5:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

If this trend continues tonight in Cincinnatin, then ...

Chapman wins.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aroldin?

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Jul 24, 2011 5:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He was looking at the last name.

Really you should’ve said pitchers whose last names end with “son”

by vottomatic on Jul 24, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

How 'bout

Pitchers whose first and last names each end with “n”?

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Jul 24, 2011 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nolan Ryan

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Jul 24, 2011 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don Sutton

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Jul 24, 2011 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Like Bill Lee

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by supergrover on Jul 24, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, Son ... wait, Manson ...

Son of Man … this gets to be a little too religious to suit me.
Hu’s on first?

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Future Red Ubaldo Jiminez

struggling a bit today against the D-bags

by vottomatic on Jul 24, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

and being beat by post-Red

Micah Owings sporting a nasty 2.2 ERA this year.

by davidmac84 on Jul 24, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not so fun

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Jul 24, 2011 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Fayplacement

has a report from the clubhouse.

Dusty says Cozart will be out at least two weeks. (Duh. He’s on the 15-day DL.)

Cozy says there’s no timetable for his return. His arm is so swollen they can’t really do anything until the swelling goes down.

Janish is in the clubhouse, and says his struggles were mental.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

If his struggles were all mental, what's wrong with his wrists?

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nttawwt

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by supergrover on Jul 24, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's been hitting pretty well the last week or so

Weak wrists and all.

He says Smokey Garrett helped him make some “offensive adjustments.”

FWIW, Zack Cozart was hitting .179 the first month of the season; he credits Garrett with turning him around.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Smokey a hitting coach at Louisville?

Hmmm … if he can turn Janish around, imagine (well, never mind)

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, Smokey Garrett is the hitting coach in Louisville

If Janish comes back en fuego, you’re going to be insufferable. :-)

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Janish won't get enough ABs for it to matter.

I don’t want to be right … I want the team to win.

How dare you libel a perfectly nice creature like the Giant Waxy Monkey Tree Frog by comparing it to a Frenchman.

by johnu1 on Jul 24, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he'll get his share of ABs

One way or another. Renteria can’t play every day any more. And I think Dusty knows it.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

cubs currently have bases loaded

bottom 10th, 1 out…. this is BASEBALL, heres hoping they dont score

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by BigStein on Jul 24, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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