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Pirates Series Preview

Pirates-071711_mediumThe Reds head off to face the upstart Pirates to begin the week.  The Pirates are one of the more interesting teams this year, having been picked to finish at the bottom (or near the bottom) by almost everyone at the start of the season.  And yet, somehow, they are a half game back of the Brewers, and are one of three teams ahead of the Reds in the NL Central.

The Pirates have a terrible offense.  And even then, they have injuries and absences that weaken it even more for this series.  But their pitching has been strong (though performing well ahead of their peripherals), and they have proven to be a good fielding team (a major departure to the last several years).  Despite their record, I think that the Reds have performed better as a team.  The Pirates' pitching has had far better results, but I don't see much to indicate that they have actually thrown better.  The Reds, on the other hand, have a clear advantage on offense and probably are a slightly better fielding team as well.

Park Factors for PNC Park (LHB/RHB)

wOBA: 100/98
HR: 99/73

I've never seen this before, but if statcorner.com's numbers are to be believed, PNC Park is an absolutely brutal place for right-handed power hitters, at least in terms of home run numbers.  

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Position Players

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Andrew McCutchen has been phenomenal this year.  I don't know if the fielding numbers are real--he's been rated poorly the last several years--but offensively he's been crushing it all year long.  Given where the Pirates are, he's absolutely a leading MVP candidate.  Also, Alex Presley has been fabulous since arriving, though I think he's playing more than a tad over his head.  But there's not a whole lot more here.  There are some solid other hitters in this lineup (Walker, Jones), and Chase d'Arnaud is an intriguing prospect at shortstop.  But they're missing some of their other starters to either injury or ineffectiveness, with Pedro Alvarez and Chris Snyder being the biggest losses.  

Probable Starters

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The Pirates are interesting pitchers because they focus so severely on just one skill.  Charlie Morton has reinvented himself as a ground ball machine this year, and it's working despite that being all he does.  Jeff Karstens similarly is thriving by basically focusing only on not walking people.  He doesn't strike many out, and he's not an especially good groundballer.  But he doesn't hurt himself, and he's proven very effective.  He's not a 2.34 ERA pitcher, but I wouldn't have expected in the preseason that he'd post a 3.83 xFIP by just preventing walks and letting the Pirates defense pick up the slack.

Dontrelle Willis debuted with the Reds last week and was pretty effective despite the 1:1 K:BB ratio.  I'm looking forward to seeing his second start tonight.  Overall, the pitching match-ups look pretty even in each game.

Bullpens

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Joel Hanrahan has been lights out all year long.  He's absolutely for real, and is among the better relievers in the leauge right now.  The supporting cast, aside from Chris Resop, doesn't look as strong.  They are suffering for the lack of Evan Meek, and furthermore do not have a particularly good option against left-handers right now.  I think this bodes well for Votto and Bruce in mid-innings.

I'm thrilled that the Pirates and their fans are finally getting to have some fun this year after such a long period of suffering.  As a Reds fan, I can identify all too well.  But despite their success, their offense is very weak, their pitching has probably overperformed, and I don't think they're quite as good in the field as our Reds.  I like the Reds to win the series.

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Yo, Jin

I really like this feature.

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by supergrover on Jul 18, 2011 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Me, too! I'll be honest, I usually skip these because I don't understand all the acronyms.

But I took a look today, and it turns out the commentary and (especially) the color-coding help tremendously. I kind of get it!!!

by the finest muffins on Jul 18, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wait to see them smoke crack and dissipate their mirrors

Okay I'm pretendin that my tongue is all goin crazy.....man hee hee this is kinda fun

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jul 18, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha the "telephone game"

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov

by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 18, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are apparently multiple-year park factors

I wish I had retrosheet skillz, because then I could do them myself. I can do overall park factors, but not LHB/RHB ones.

by JinAZ on Jul 18, 2011 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Slyde posted on Twitter

that Charlie Morton is starting tonight. I thought it was that McDonald guy. This is going to jeopardize my bold claim that we will not lose another game to the Pirates this year. Morton is due to implode right? He has pitched too well against us the last two times (then again, he might be a new Roy Oswalt or a new Chris Carpenter in terms of success vs. the Reds).

by Red_Poodle on Jul 18, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry

I wrote this last night based the probable starters at reds.com. That leads me astray at least 50% if the time!

Morton gas found a formula that works. He’s good, though not great. They must be looking for a matchup advantage!!

by JinAZ on Jul 18, 2011 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that's a coincidence and irrelevant!

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by BubbaFan on Jul 18, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Don’t be messing around with this pro-Reds analysis with sabremetric facts!

"A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer." - Robert Frost

by Madville on Jul 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today's lineup

Stubbs 8, Cozart 6, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Bruce 9, Cairo 5, Lewis 7, Hernandez 2, Willis LHP

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Reports are PIT is looking at Hunter Pence and SD relievers

If they got Pence I’d believe in them a bit more, but the best thing they could do, from the Reds perspective, would be to overpay and give up 1 or 2 good prospects for 3 months of Heath Bell.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jul 18, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

LINEUP

#Reds lineup:Stubbs 8, Cozart 6, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Bruce 9, Cairo 5, Lewis 7, Hernandez 2, Willis LHP

RT @Jperk44: @johnfayman What’s is wrong with Rolen? He isn’t in lineup again.//not in Pitt. @tomgroeschen will update.

by chazzilla on Jul 18, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Fay is so confusing.

updated:

Not sure why Rolen not starting, but I did see him at the team hotel here earlier. Will check with Dusty Baker here shortly #Reds

by chazzilla on Jul 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to me it didn't

I read it to mean Fay wasn’t in Pittsburgh, but the Fayplacement was.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 18, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fayplacement adds
Rolen is 7-for-20 (.350) lifetime against Pirate starter Charlie Morton, with a homer and four RBI; Cairo is 3-for-8 (.375).

That better not be the reason Rolen’s out.

Maybe Dusty just wants to give him extra rest, and figured today would be as good any.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 18, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

jeez

They should probably DL Rolen and call up Frazier or END or someone.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vote Frazier

But they might not want to give him the chance to suck and drive down his trade value or something…

by JinAZ on Jul 18, 2011 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

what are they going to do about Rolen?

They aren’t going to rely on Cairo next year, are they?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 18, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really worried about a complete drop off in production next year.

He seems to be in pretty serious pain right now…maybe he’ll retire?

by chazzilla on Jul 18, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next year?

the production has done a great deal of dropping already. I can’t say the the Rolen extension was such a good idea.

by kcgard2 on Jul 18, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jocketty's recent trend of signing guys to extensions with less money up front concerns me

He did it with Rolen and Arroyo, and as of right now, both deals look less than ideal. I don’t mind Rolen so much because of his influence and play last year, and making the playoffs was worth it.

But I’m concerned he’s going to keep doing this (BP) and it’s going to bite the team in the ass.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jul 18, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of, kind of agree with you

but I think Goodroyo had just as much to do (down the stretch especially, when Rolen was sucking) with making the playoffs.

This avatar smells like greasy line-beards and Brut.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 18, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, that Rolen deal looks just terrible right now

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 18, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this sarcasm?

The Reds had Rolen locked up for last year regardless of the Rolen extension, and he was great last year.

If they didn’t extend him, he could have left and the Reds wouldn’t be on the hook for his money, and Todd Frazier would probably be the Reds starting 3B now after Francisco played himself out of the role.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 18, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was not great last year

He was great through June.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 18, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

His presence was great even when his bat (or back, or shoulder) wasn't.

No regrets on that deal, even if he can’t play next year.

A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jul 18, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've said this before

Reds win world series this year. Rolen retires on top just like players always like to do. Win win to me.

by TheCinWin on Jul 18, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell, if that happens he wouldn't have to retire.

He could be the 25th man and they’d sell enough Rolen memorabilia to pay for him!

And, another year on the Reds roster means he could go into the HoF as a Red!

This avatar smells like greasy line-beards and Brut.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 18, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I know about Rolen

I wouldn’t be shocked if he walks away from the money, if he knows he can’t play at an acceptable level anymore.

But he also renegotiated his contract to receive less money per year over more years, to give the Reds some extra pay role room in 2010. So that may make him less willing to walk away.

Perhaps they could negotiate a buy out for Rolen, if he doesn’t want to play anymore.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 18, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see that.

It looks like he’s in pretty consistent discomfort because of the shoulder right now.

by chazzilla on Jul 18, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

theres a part of me that doesn't want to see Frazier traded

since he looks like the only viable replacement at thirdbase once Rolen declines further.

by pack_fan on Jul 18, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

Also, since they aren’t going to trade for someone to understudy Rolen next season, he’s probably the only viable option, period.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jul 18, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit! I was gonna say that....

DL Rolen for 15 days and bring up Frazier (or END).

by MatthewH on Jul 18, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

congratulations

took me a long time to convert to the high def movement (perceived cost/benefit ratio)

now im up to three in less than a year. addicting!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 18, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I compare it to making the jump from dial up to high speed internet back in the day

Once you go, you’re never going back.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 18, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just like going....

nah. That’s racist.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jul 18, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once you go Asian, you're done with caucasian?

Not true.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 18, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

once you go batshit crazy

You attempt to find a lady!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 18, 2011 6:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I like it

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 19, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I may drop it

I have one small high def TV, and between the cost for the high def box and the high def package it is $20 a month added to our cable bill, compared to digital.

I have watched the digital channels, and there isn’t a huge difference in the two.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 18, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I asked for a standard box

But they said it would cost the same as an HD box.

So far, I can take it or leave it. Wouldn’t pay $5/month for HD, like I’d have to without the special deal I signed up for.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 18, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that too

but i looked at my first bill, and it is $20 more than i bargained for due to HD.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 18, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

so far

my bill is what I expected.

I don’t actually watch TV much, so HD is kind of a waste on me. I don’t have the attention span to sit in front of the TV and actually watch. Even sports…I’m usually on the Internets discussing the game more than watching it.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 18, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

x

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 18, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

HD is a game changer for sports

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 18, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I like it plenty for regular shows and such, but the real value is had in watching the sports.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 18, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Golf and football really shine in HD programming

My new one is also a 3D tv, I’m not really into that stuff much kinda seems like a gimmick, but I might try it out for the sports. Anyone seen anything in 3D yet?

by TheCinWin on Jul 18, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've only seen it with the demo at the store

Give it a few more generations and I think it will be really cool. Right now it kinda sucks.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 18, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to admit this

But I’ve caught myself watching NASCAR on occasion because it looks so great with the bright paint jobs and stickers. Hockey is also a huge one for HD because you can see so much more of the ice.

I’ve not seen anything in 3D yet, seems kind of gimmicky to me too.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 18, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

soccer is not a sport, silly`

/ducks
/ducks
/geese

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 18, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

soccer is better in lo def

Seen through an intoxicated haze in a dimly lit room.

But I like the announcers on surround sound, volume way up. The yelling of goooooooooooooooooal alerts me to pay attention to the next three minutes while the tv replays the goal 13 times.

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 18, 2011 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Hockey is money in HD

helps to see the puck better, which is nice even for experienced Hockey watchers

by pack_fan on Jul 18, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the thing about this is (I feel like HLM21 btw, missing this thread by a few hours)

there’s almost as much of a difference between 900p HD and 1080p HD as there is between regular and 900p.

I’m sitting on two 900p’s, and I’m about to make the jump up in pixels!

This avatar smells like greasy line-beards and Brut.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 18, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely correct

I hate when I flip to a sporting event and see the TV start to auto-adjust down to 720p. 1080p is where it’s at.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 19, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to throw this out there

I don’t care that he’s not baseball related – Jay Bilas’s recent tweets HAVE TO be in the ReTweeter this week. HAVE TO.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 18, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey there everyone, Pirate fan here. I stopped by the other day, and just wanted to comment on how excellent this series preview is.

And as far as Cutch and defense goes, he’s for real defensively. The past two seasons the Pirates just played an awful shift to prevent triples. It pretty much depended on Cutch to cover way too much of the outfield, and his defensive numbers suffered.

by thecheeseisblue on Jul 19, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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