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Can/should/will the Reds land a starting pitcher?

Not relevant to this post, but I like to think that Captain NL Central appears when this happens.

The Brewers have improved their pitching by picking up Zach Greinke, Shaun Marcum and now K-Rod. The Cardinals signed a major impact bat, in Lance Berkman, to a relatively low-risk contract. And the Pirates have improved their team by witchcraft. Meanwhile, the Reds added Fred Lewis and Edgar Renteria, which I'll charitably mark down as a wash.

It's frustrating to see the Reds sit idle, though it's difficult to know what deals have actually been available from the last offseason until now. We do know the Reds have at least been doing some sniffing around NL West starters, but it may be no more than "info gathering," according to Walt. 

The trade market this season is underwhelming, but it's increasingly clear the Reds are not going to be able to fix their pitching problems internally. At least not this season. Here's a look at starting pitchers who might be available and of interest to the team:

EDIT: I have to admit, Tim Hudson is not available. And Wandy is probably not available to the Reds. But the market is bad enough that I kinda had to fudge it to bring this list up to 5 and not start adding Jeremy Guthrie or Jason Marquis types.

Ubaldo Jimenez

Age: 27

Contract: $2,.8M in '11, signed thru 2013, with '14 option voidable if traded

2011 line: 4.14 ERA, 3.46 FIP, 1.30 WHIP

I would agree with whoever said this is probably in the Justin Upton Dept. of trade possibilities. His criminally team-friendly contract suggests the Rockies are more than likely to hang on to him even if they fall further out of the race. But he's still the best name in the rumor mill. And the Reds have the MLB-ready talent in their system to match offers from most teams.

Deal? YES. Would probably have to include Alonso, Frazier (who fill Rockies' stated needs) and perhaps two other MLB-ready prospects among the Reds Top 10.

Hiroki Kuroda

Age: 36

Contract: $12M in 2011, signed thru '11

2011 line: 3.06 ERA, 3.73 FIP, 1.22 WHIP

Kuroda's 2011 BABIP is exactly where it's been over his 2.5 year MLB career average, but his 3.06 ERA may still be a little bit lucky and in danger of crashing as an Age 36 pitcher. Still, there's probably not a better rental available on the trade market and, as a bonus, would represent the first Japanese-born player to wear a Reds uniform. We know the team as sent scouts to kick his tires - hopefully a socially acceptable gesture in Japan.

Deal? YES. I'd hate to give up anyone of consequence for a rental, but if the Reds were able to take on his pro-rated salary he might be had for a package of B prospects.

Star-divide

Wandy Rodriguez

Age: 32

Contract: $7M in '11, signed thru 2013

2011 line: 3.52 ERA, 4.09 FIP, 1.34 WHIP

Wandy is a popular player in Houston and not likely to be traded within the division. But if the Astros can be convinced they won't be in the division much longer and that Wandy Rodriguez had something to do with Enron, maybe they would unload him. He gets more expensive over the next two years of his contract and could lose #1/#2 starter shine over the next season and a half.

Deal? Yea... but I wouldn't want to give up more than one SP arm for him. One A-list, non-Mesoraco prospect and two Bs? 

John Danks

Age: 26

Contract: $6M in 2011, team-controlled thru 2012

2011 line: 4.21 ERA, 4.15 FIP, 1.35 WHIP

Danks is a good pitcher and still young. He's an injury liability, but could also be be a Bi-Lo extension candidate.

Deal? Probably. Danks may not end up an improvement over the starting pitching depth the Reds already have, but he would at least help restore it to pre-2011 levels. Would Sox accept a Heisey, END + Boxberger package?

Tim Hudson

Age: 35

Contract: $9M in '11, signed thru '12, team option in 2013

2011 line: 3.52 ERA, 4.09 FIP, 1.34 WHIP

As a contender, the Braves don't seem likely to move their established starters. But they do have holes to fill. Hudson is another pitcher the Reds probably don't want to pay for a year and a half, but they would be on the hook for a maximum of $13M or so, depending on whether cash changed hands in a deal.

Deal? Probably, even though I can't see them taking on that salary next year.

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I wouldn't give all that up for Danks.

Or Wandy, probably. Ubaldo is the only one on that list I’d really give much up for. The AAA prospects are too promising and we have holes in LF/SS/3B, and Boxy looks GOOD. We need Yonder/Frazier, and to a lesser extent, Francisco for 3B/LF. I’d have to think Grandal has good value right now.

by jsl413 on Jul 13, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed that I'd only unload for Ubaldo, but he is highly unlikely to be dealt

I’d give up END + 2 B prospects for Danks and nothing more. Wandy probably is a non-starter as I doubt he is dealt inside the division (unless the Astros move to teh AL West). Hudson I think absolutely doesn’t get traded.

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by btcoop71 on Jul 13, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boxberger looks good

but he’s still a relief prospefct. Danks is a 26 year old proven MLB starter. I wouldn’t go crazy to get him, but I think that package is probably what the White Sox would reasonably expect.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 13, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of curiousity

What does Boxberger project as in the major leagues? Don’t know enough about his stuff. Is he a set up type? Future closer?

by Tim Berger on Jul 13, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's consistently rated the best FB in the system

Well, before Chapman came along. He consistently runs it up to 95-96 and gets good movement. He also has a potential plus breaking ball, and good control. His K numbers are pretty gaudy too.

He definitely has the stuff of a closer.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am penciling in Boxy as the "closer of the future" right now

Since he’s been relieving, his FB gets up to 97-98 with movement. I think the back of the bullpen is where he’ll end up, maybe as soon as next year (Coco’s replacement?)

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by BK on Jul 13, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they'd toss a rookie into that role.

Unless Boxy slices up eyeballs in a September callup, I think next year would go to Masset (or – gasp – Chapman) before giving El Boxerino the full role. There’s also DoJo to deal with, though he’s doing a great job knocking himself out of the picture.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 13, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, agreed Dusty prob wouldn't let a rookie do it.

That’s fine, he can do the 7th or 8th and I’m fine with Masset as the closer.

BTW, most scouts/prospect guys were saying DoJo was a middle reliever even before his struggles this year. His stuff is good, but not overpowering.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He tricked us by overpowering in the lower minors

Then AA hit him like a ton of bricks. The bright side is that the same thing happened to Boxy last year and he’s ok now.

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jul 13, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

my worry about Masset

is that he’s been consistently mediocre in May before improving as the year goes on. But I could see him getting a short leash, pooping the sheets a couple times before June, and then the Reds being stuck with some Dave Weathers-type for the rest of the year.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 13, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I think they know that about him, for one.

And if there’s anything we know about Dusty, it’s that his designated closer is on anything but a short leash.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it's not like he wouldn't get a second shot at it

with his early season struggles, he’s been temporarily moved to a lower-leverage role, gotten back on track, and then went back to mowing guys down in the setup role like we all know he can. I am fully in support of the Masset for Closer 2012 campaign.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jul 14, 2011 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he will get his 2009 on.

He barely made the team that year, many RRers called for his DFA, andhe was the long man, and pitched so well he a set up man along with Weathers by the break.

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by Yossarian22 on Jul 14, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

i mean heisey and boxy

i consider boxy a top 10 reds prospect and heisey a potential .260/.360/.480, plus defense, plus speed, any OF position player, which is valuable.

by jsl413 on Jul 13, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

where do you get a .360 OBP for Chris Heisey?

His walk rates have never pointed to that kind of avg/obp split

by Tim Berger on Jul 13, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i made that up

but he’s slugging preeetty good right about now

by jsl413 on Jul 13, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This me taking a crack at a realistic deal

END has no value to the Reds. I like Heisey, but I don’t think he has the speed/defense that his ability to play CF suggests. He hasn’t OBP’d over .325 above AA.

Boxberger might be too much, you’re right. But the Reds are desperate for starting pitching that’s going to perform during their window. Danks could also potentially be extended for cheaper than he would have a year a go.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 13, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heisey should start in LF, the Reds don't need him for CF

Except as a backup. At least that is how it should be.

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by btcoop71 on Jul 13, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see him as the primary starter there too

But the Reds need a starting pitcher much more than they need a LF, a position where they have Sappelt and Frazier waiting at AAA.

The SP market is just weak, so maybe they should punt on it for ’11 (the “should” part of the title).

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 13, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

END may not have value to the 2011 Reds, but Rolen is nearing the end of his career.

Above average third basemen are becoming harder and harder to find, and END could be just that in the future.

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by sexsalad on Jul 13, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't agree that he could be an above average 3B

the K/BB, the defense (or lack thereof), and the horrific eye, he HAS to improve in order to even be serviceable. Right now he’s slightly less good than Wily Mo Pena. If they can turn him into Mark Buerhle, then awesome, but I don’t see him as contributing to the Reds.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jul 14, 2011 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think he could be had for less than he’s likely to be worth. That being said, I’d still give up anyone in our minors not named Mesoraco for Ubaldo, I think.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jul 13, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think I would possibly give up Meso.

Not Meso AND Grandal in one package, but I’d be alright dealing one or the other. Meso is an insanely valuable trade chip so I wouldn’t give him up if there are several other Reds top prospects in the deal, but I’d keep him on the table for Ubaldo.

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by sexsalad on Jul 13, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I might give him up for Ubaldo too

especially with Grandal doing well.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jul 14, 2011 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just wouldn't include Heisey in the deal

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by btcoop71 on Jul 13, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heisey is perhaps the most overvalued "prospect" we have

He has only had one stretch of exceptional play, and that was in AA. He’s been coasting on that ever since.

Why hesitate to trade a 4th OF?

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jul 13, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm saying that him, END, Boxy is too much

I’d deal End and Boxy, or END and Heisey, not all 3 for Danks

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by btcoop71 on Jul 13, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to dump another LH-strikeout guy on the Sox.

They have Dunn.
END would be just right for them.

And you’re right, he can be a real jerkass. We have a lot of them around here, but usually, they know they’re jerkasses. Johnu seems honestly surprised that people think he’s a jerkass.

by johnu1 on Jul 13, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You crack me up with your Heisey hate.

He currently has the 4th highest OPS on the team, and he plays average CF and an elite corner OF.

His current OPS is above average for a NL LFer and elite for a CFer. It’s a stretch to call him a 4th OF.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is why it's make or break (trade) time for Heisey

Install him as the LFer and run with it – or try to turn him into a starting pitcher.

I think it’s possible to say he’s a valuable player and also say he could be traded.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 13, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heisey can learn to hit.

He’s not a great outfielder but I’ve seen worse.
I would like to see him work on his hitting a little more before I give up on him. As a guy who plays all 3 OF spots and can be a DH, he’s pretty cheap.

And you’re right, he can be a real jerkass. We have a lot of them around here, but usually, they know they’re jerkasses. Johnu seems honestly surprised that people think he’s a jerkass.

by johnu1 on Jul 13, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You crack me up with your stupid headedness

Heisey the starter (minus one game): crappy

Heisey the pinch hitter: inexplicably great

He has NOT proven the capability to play every day.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jul 13, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, his BABIP as a starter in SSS is .243.

I’m willing to bet he’s better than a .730 OPS player as a starter.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's silly. The back of his baseball card has about 2/3 of a season of data on it

Hardly enough to be definitive either way.

BTW, I’m not saying he’s a definite good LF starter. I’m saying it’s silly to guarantee he isn’t.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fear neither of us will get the chance to gloat about being right

I was being facetious, anyway.

I like the guy and I wish we could see him play every day for a while to find out once and for all.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jul 13, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that seems certain

For all his talk about giving Heisey a chance, Dusty ain’t gonna do it.

And I wouldn’t mind trading him either, and I think he’d have a fair bit of value.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

does this mean no avatar bet?

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by BubbaFan on Jul 13, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's impossible to resolve any discussion involving trade speculation

which is why it’s fun. And maybe the deal I floated aims too high.

But I honestly think I’m close on what it would actually require to get him. If the Reds want to get a SP for 2011, Danks and Kuroda might be IT in terms of what is actually available and worth chasing.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 13, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that is what they'd probably ask

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by btcoop71 on Jul 13, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hudson?

I fail to see any scenario in which the Braves, currently the Wild Card leaders by 5 games, would trade Tim Hudson. Speculative scenarios such as these should not include a pitcher who is NOT on the trading block and won’t be until his contract runs out.

by Tim Berger on Jul 13, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I know, right?

Pretty disappointed

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 13, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

surrsly

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Jul 14, 2011 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's going to be traded

and I said as much in the write-up.

But this becomes an impossibly small list if I remove Hudson and Wandy. I think it’s possible, though highly unlikely, that the Braves move a starter. Probably Derek Lowe.

It’s a pretty bad market, so I wanted to flesh it out with a couple pipe dream entries.

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 13, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

understandable

i’d see Lowe as much more likely to be moved given their pitching depth (and seeing as how he is most likely to be out of luck in the post season rotation). His contract, however, is even less Reds friendly than Hudson’s. (how is hudson signed for 9 mil a year btw? that is the best bargain i’ve seen yet).

by Tim Berger on Jul 13, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

see, this is why I brought this up last night 'KRP.

Everyone knows the Braves want to move Lowe, so there’s no way they get the kind of value for him that they’d like. If someone blew them away with an offer for Hudson, the Braves would certainly have to think, “man, is there really THAT much difference between the two of them?”

I was never insinuating that they would, in fact, put him on the block…what I was getting at is that if they’re willing to trade Lowe, they obviously have enough faith in one of their younger pitchers to pick up the load in the 5 man, so someone calling about Hudson isn’t completely unreasonable to expect.

Hell, if Ubaldo’s “on the market,” 35 year old signed-thru-38 year old Hudson likely is too, to an extent.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 13, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

and, a side note

I’d love to have Hudson, and I think he’d be greatly valuable, but I was suggesting him more as a name that Walt would likely target than as a player us RR nerds would.

He’s a veteran. He’s signed beyond this season. He’s an impact player who’s played in big games and in postseasons.

It just wreaks of the Rolen deal a year and a half ago.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 13, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

(reek)

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by ol Pete on Jul 13, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say we trade Votto

for Bautista and call up Yonder. Then Joey can take care of his little brothers and become a god in Cananda. Gomes can take his sombrero to the Mexican League.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jul 13, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

it honestly makes sense for both teams

a little. bautista is older, but apparently slightly better, and yonder could play then. hrm.

by jsl413 on Jul 13, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

spelling R-O-L-E-N

is about all I’d expect from Bautista at third.

by tntaylor17 on Jul 13, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since we're dreaming

Bautista would hit 95 home runs in GABP.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, Votto is pissed that the Stowe

boys lost his letter from the PM.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jul 13, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just read that

what a joke, couldn’t they get it to Votto? I bet they lost Joey’s invitation to the Royal Wedding too.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 13, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I would imagine the letter had some flowery official logo on it. I doubt it was a postcard – pretty embarrassing.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jul 13, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think Votto

would help Toronto’s attendance? I think it would be good for both teams. Plus, I really think Votto is going to seek free agency down the road.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jul 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know whether he would help their attendance or not

But this smacks of an OOTP trade that would never happen in reality

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by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can dream.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jul 13, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Switching superstars for superstars is not a good PR move

I get the rationality of it – better deal $ wise for the Reds, Votto going back to Canada. But Votto has stamped his place in the clubhouse and upsetting the picnic basket for a more manageable contract is not in the Reds (or their fans) best interest.

by Tim Berger on Jul 13, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Joey,

but I really think he will head elsewhere, probably Toronto, when he hits free agency.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jul 13, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Reds make it to the playoffs the next 3 years...

I think we could see a different Joey Votto attitude about staying/going. Its going to cost us $20 mil over 6-7 years to sign him, but if attendance continues to increase and he becomes the next Cincinnati hero (a la Larkin, Bench, Rose) I think the Reds front office finds a way to keep him (if Votto wants to stay).

by Tim Berger on Jul 13, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot has to go right...

But its a plausible scenario I think. If the Reds want to be competitive for the next 10 years, Votto and Bruce need to stay in Reds uniforms. Its a dream… but not a fool’s dream.

by Tim Berger on Jul 13, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Votto to LF?

Yonder to 1B?

And you’re right, he can be a real jerkass. We have a lot of them around here, but usually, they know they’re jerkasses. Johnu seems honestly surprised that people think he’s a jerkass.

by johnu1 on Jul 13, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yonder gets chunkier every time

I seem him. He would be like Greg Luzinski in LF.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jul 13, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before steroids were invented ...

… big-league ball clubs used extremely tight uniforms to make the athletes look toned.

And you’re right, he can be a real jerkass. We have a lot of them around here, but usually, they know they’re jerkasses. Johnu seems honestly surprised that people think he’s a jerkass.

by johnu1 on Jul 13, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he might seek free agency

but I would bet about 3 grand, or at least a box of Klondike bars, that he doesn’t go to Toronto

by Red_Poodle on Jul 13, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good article.

And it puts a renewed spotlight on the impact of big-market baseball.
Kinda makes me a little afraid of what Selig’s folks have in mind when they talk about “realignment.”

And you’re right, he can be a real jerkass. We have a lot of them around here, but usually, they know they’re jerkasses. Johnu seems honestly surprised that people think he’s a jerkass.

by johnu1 on Jul 13, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't Gomes a Lusophone, not a Latino, last name?

So maybe he should join the Azorean Summer League then?

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jul 13, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I got really confused during the Brewers series,

wanting to correct the announcers when they were talking about Carlos Gomez.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 13, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

understandable

I think Lowe is more likely to be traded give their pitching depth (and seeing as how he is most likely to be out of luck in the post season rotation). His contract, however, is even less Reds friendly than Hudson’s. (how is hudson signed for 9 mil a year btw? that is the best bargain i’ve seen yet).

by Tim Berger on Jul 13, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont think the Reds have what the Rockies want anyway

that being a legit starting prospect to groom – which is what the Rockies are lacking in their organization

by Tim Berger on Jul 13, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to their beat writer, they'd want 3 pitchers

2 of which have top of the rotation potential, one of which is MLB ready.

That’s ridiculous. No way any team would give that up for him. Who knows how accurate that is, but you are right, if it’s high upside pitchers they want, we are SOL.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Daily Dish yesterday

If I remember, it went something like one of Wood/Bailey/Leake and Mesoracco or Alonso for Jimenez.

I think that would be a nice haul for both teams.

One other thing they could do, if they wanted to go Brewer style and go all in would be also go for Reyes and make it whoever is left after Jimenez of Wood/Bailey/Leake and Mesoracco or Alonso. You could throw Soto in there as well as a sweetner.

Its not a bad prospect for the Reds since they have quite a bit of young talent on the roster locked up or under team control for a few more years.

by backtocali on Jul 13, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

A propos of yesterday

Here’s a fangraphs dealie abou the value of stupid jerkface Colby Rasmus

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/why-the-cardinals-cant-trade-colby-rasmus/

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jul 13, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

You don't like Cheesehead?

I don’t see any reason to dislike him. Probably get TLR fired, too.

by MatthewH on Jul 13, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

hhhhmmmm

I wish I could make this my avatar.

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by jch24 on Jul 13, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I have oft dreamed of quitting my job in that fashion

But then I hate a few hits off Wesley Pipes and forget about it.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jul 13, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christ. I'm a typomaniac today.

Take not hate.

Quite the opposite of hate.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jul 13, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I referenced that scene on twitter last week (and on my 10,000th comment here)

It’s one of the best

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Jul 13, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Arroyo extension is looking

sweeeeet right about now. Not sure who called that one as a sinkhole. Oh, wait……

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jul 13, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

The dude

has mono, carpal tunnel, back problems and most likely several STD’s – he’ll be fine.

by Joe Nolan's Neckbeard on Jul 13, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Arroyo #2 is eating through the lab table"

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 13, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

good work on the caption, I chortled.

The next two weeks, for me if not for RR, will be full of the sort of “They have to do SOMETHING, don’t they!” that the #2 in any disaster movie has to say. Kuroda or Jimenez would be nice, but I think a lot depends on this Cardinals series.

A month ago I said that if the team is less than 5 games out at 8/1, they have a very good chance. And fortunately, with the NL Central as weak as it is, the Reds may end up with a relatively low waiver wire position that’ll allow them to swoop in on a big contract like Kuroda’s. It’ll be an interesting couple of months if the Reds can keep above water.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 13, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

We should, we can't, so we won't.

Two guys are ancient, the others aren’t seriously on the market.

Out of curiosity, would you trade Chapman for Jiminez?

by MatthewH on Jul 13, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope.

No.

No (the spanish no).

No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 13, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm interested to see how people respond to that.

The thing is, Chapman isn’t all that much younger. I wouldn’t put him in a package with other good prospects, but if you mean straight up I think I’d do it.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jul 13, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't

but I also wouldn’t rend my garments if Walt did.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 13, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

O'dowd says

the Rockies want to add a SP.

Seems unlikely that they’d trade one.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Jul 13, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems like fishing. I wonder if the discussion leading up to it included the hope that there were other Doug Melvins out there.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Jul 13, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree (still) that a trade is unlikely, but that article doesn't rule out a Ubaldo trade

First, Troy Renck is the source, and he’s been vehemently anti-tradeUbaldo from the beginning.

Also, they just want to add a guy under team control. If they trade Ubaldo and get 2-3 young pitchers in return (plus more) that achieves that effect.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Jul 13, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

so

Two threads each for the Home Run Derby and the ASG, but no love for the AAA All-Star Game?

Looks like the beneficiary of Cozart’s callup is a former Reds SS. No, not Janish. The starting SS for the IL tonight is Little Ray Ray.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 13, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

probably not surprisingly

The Bats did better in their All-Star game than the Reds did in theirs.

Jeremy Hermida: 1 for 3

Yonder Alonso: 0 for 0 with a walk

Devin Mesoraco: 1 for 2

Ray Olmedo, subbing for the called-up Cozart, went 1 for 2.

Final score:

IL 3
PCL 0

Pretty boring game. All the scoring was in the 2nd inning. No earned runs, due a fielding error.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 13, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLB Trade Rumors

is reporting that the Brewers aren’t done shopping. They’re looking to upgrade at 3B and SS. Not a lot out there for infielders, as we know, but it sounds like they’d settle for a SS with a good glove, and would be willing to add payroll.

Man, how can they afford all this?

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by BubbaFan on Jul 13, 2011 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Money wise or prospect wise?

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Jul 13, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't sound like

They’re giving up too much in prospects.

What was it, two PTBNLs for K-Rod?

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by BubbaFan on Jul 13, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Although a couple of the names mentioned, Caleb Gindl and Eric Komatsu look like decent MLB regulars to me. You’d think they’d value solid players who don’t cost a lot.

They’ve got Taylor Green at AAA who they could try at 3rd which I think any other team would but I’m thinking they get someone old like Casey Blake.

Other than a glovey SS like Barmes in Houston, its not going to be cheap to get a SS and maybe not even possible.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Jul 13, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

we could trade them Renteria! ;-)

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by BubbaFan on Jul 13, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too much bad blood from the Greinke beaning

;-)

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Jul 13, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot about that

I’m doing a pretty good job of blocking that whole series out actually. That is definitely a good thing.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 13, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

They cant

They have the worst farm system in baseball, and have only about $5 million available in salary space this year.

They can probably make minor upgrades at SS with a guy like Jamey Carroll, but they will have to offer up one of their better pitching prospcets to get him (and even though he may be one of the Brewer best, he wont be anything special).

by backtocali on Jul 14, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the WSJ

A Stadium’s Costly Legacy Throws Taxpayers for a Loss

CINCINNATI—Here in Hamilton County, where one in seven people lives beneath the poverty line and budget cuts have left gaps in the schools and sheriffs department, residents are bracing for more belt-tightening: rollback of a property-tax break promised as part of a 1996 plan to entice voters to pay for two new stadiums.

The tax hit is just the latest in a string of unforeseen consequences from what has turned into one of the worst professional sports deals ever struck by a local government—soaking up unprecedented tax dollars and county resources while returning little economic benefit.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 13, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

All that money and they put a boat out there.

All that money and they can’t fix that escalator over there.

by KSE on Jul 13, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

it sounds like

the Reds deal worked out well. It’s the Bengals deal that’s ridiculous.

On top of paying for the stadium, Hamilton County granted the Bengals generous lease terms. It agreed to pick up nearly all operating and capital improvement costs—and to foot the bill for high-tech bells and whistles that have yet to be invented, like a “holographic replay machine.” No team had snared such concessions in addition to huge sums of public money, Journal research shows.

Holographic replay machine? You gotta be kidding me.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 13, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a young pup back then...

but wasn’t one of the key issues about this stadium is that Cincinnati refused to allow MB to put the stadium in Kentucky (where?) and gave into this farce of a deal? I was like 7, I don’t remember any of this.

by KSE on Jul 13, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the market is so thin at SP...

Why not trade Arroyo to a contender, bring Wood or LeCure back up, dump Gomes and/or “all-star” Rolen to a contender and let the kids Alonso and Frazier play. Their WAR would be pretty close to the same, I’d be willing to bet. The Reds are small market, they need to think like the Rays and get over Dusty and Walt’s veteran-addiction

by jeffshireman on Jul 14, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

nobody's going to want Arroyo

and his albatross of a contract.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 14, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's bloody albatross flavor!

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by bbjones on Jul 14, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would take Tim Stauffer

he wouldn’t cost much and is a GB pitcher

by kyleb740 on Jul 14, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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