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Red Reposter - 1 for the series, again

  • Cordero, Reds drop first half finale
    MIlwaukee took their third one-run victory of the series yesterday.  The Reds dropped six of the last seven series going into the ASB, winning just one game in each series with the lone exception of taking two of three from Tampa Bay.  We really could've used the break about two weeks ago.  Yesterday's loss once again came at the hands of Francisco Cordero, who worked his third consecutive day.  Like any reliever, Cordero does not respond as well to pitching consecutive days. He has a 1.447 WHIP and a 3.75 ERA when pitching on consecutive days in his career, compared to his averages of 1.349 and 3.23.  The splits would surely look worse if we looked at his performances when working 3+ days in a row.  C'mon, Dusty.
  • Lost in the ... loss was Willis' cromulent Reds debut 
    RL Nation takes a look back at the D-Trains' career and is cautiously optimistic about his potential with the Reds.  Willis worked a solid walk ratio in Louisville, slightly under his ratio during his Florida glory years. He walked four last night in six innings yesterday, but a few jitters in his ML debut for the year are understandable.  He also doubled, and for those of you pining for an Owings-esque bat, Willis sports a career .233/.281/.358 slash line.  I'm definitely willing to give Dontrelle a few more shots in the rotation.
  • The state of the post-ASB rotation is unclear, except that Johnny Cueto will make the first start of the second half
    against St. Louis. Dusty Baker doesn't want to give Bronson Arroyo too much time off, but some rest is likely in order. Even Arroyo himself isn't opposed to getting a few extra days of rest: "These days it's getting harder and harder to keep your body feeling good. I'm getting a little bit older and having a lot of innings on my arm, so I welcome the extra days and work out in the weight room and try to get a little stronger."  It's also getting harder to keep his vocal pipes loose and fingers dexterous, which is why he played guitar on a street corner in Milwaukee over the weekend.  Seriously.
  • Whatever rotation Dusty selects, it will follow his famed hard-soft permutation, the new knifey-spooney. "We're reworking it. We've got four different combinations. We just got to discuss which one we think is better, who we would like to get out there sooner rather than later, and hard, soft, hard, soft so you don't have the same guys back to back."
  • The Reds held a closed-door meeting before Saturday's win
    The precise topics are unknown ("None of your business," Baker told Fay), but given the team's recent play we can probably make a few educated guesses.
  • Rolen named to the All-Star team
    Hey, some good news! Scott Rolen has made his 7th all-star team as a replacement for the injured Chipper Jones. Rolen deadpanned: "Chipper is so old. They decided to upgrade with youth and speed." The year hasn't gone as planned for Scotty Ballgame, as evident from his .244 average and 84 OPS+. Still, there are reasons for optimism. He's hit about forty points lower than his career average on balls in play (.264 BABIP), even though he's still stinging the ball (19 doubles; slightly higher XBH% than both last year and his career average). He's also striking out slightly less than his career average. If he can start walking again and have a few more of his drives fall in, we should see a rebound for Old Man Rolen.  I'm not expecting 25 HRs, but 35 doubles and a decent OBP would be just fine.

Star-divide

  • Ryan Hanigan should open a framing shop
    THT analyzes which catchers do the best job of framing pitches for strikes, and ranks Hanigan in the top ten for both 2009 and 2010. He does a lot of things well, doesn't he?
  • Big Red Redemption - 10 Questions with Matt Klinker
    Klinker is an interesting guy, and this short interview is well worth the read.  E.g.:  Music can express and influence the complete range of a person's emotions. Growing up my mom taught me how to play the piano, which lost out when I picked up drums in middle school. This past off-season I tried to get back into the piano, but I had the same problem now as I had when I was younger. I can play either the left-hand (bass) line or the right-hand line, but really struggle putting the two together. I think all athletes want to be musicians, they in turn want to be actors, who in turn want to be athletes...it's a vicious cycle unless you're Justin Timberlake, who does everything well. 
    I finally saw The Social Network this weekend, and thought Timberlake did a fine job playing the business version of himself.
  • Fay - Prognosis negative 
    Fay offers reasons for hope and pessimism, or "realism" as some would say.  His mild criticism of the Reds' reluctance to call up young talent caught me by surprise:  The Reds make the playoffs because ... The club has a wealth of major league-ready talent in Triple-A in catcher Devin Mesoraco, outfielders Dave Sappelt and Yonder Alonso and infielder/outfielder Todd Frazier. The Reds don't make the playoffs because ... They Reds have shown a reluctance to call up that talent. Zack Cozart swung a hot bat for two months before the Reds called him up, even though they were getting less offense from shortstop than any other team in the league.
  • BB-Ref - 3+ CG Shutouts Since 1973 With Less Than 100 Pitches
    Only one Red qualifies, and he wasn't my first guess. Even more surprising was that Tom Browning's 1988 perfect game was not among his sub-100 pitch shutouts. But he didn't miss by much - he threw exactly 100 pitches in retiring 27 consecutive Dodgers on 9/16/88.
  • Red Hot Mama - Reds Baseball Bingo
    This sounds like a pretty good summary of sitting through a Reds broadcast. The square directly to the left of the free space gave me some pause.
  • Breaking: Derek Jeter collects 3,000th hit
    About a week ago I was sitting in the Osaka Dome, taking in an Orix Buffaloes/Seibu Lions contest (by the way, So Taguchi is still kicking around).  My uncle, an avid Tokyo Giants fan who does not follow American ball, asked me who's the most popular player in the major leagues.  I was tempted to say Albert Pujols, but that would be conflating the idea of the best player with the most popular.  So I said Derek Jeter.  It sounded strange because so many people I know dislike The Captain, but if we're talking about a heavily-publicized keystone to a successful, large-market team, I'm not sure who else tops him.  By jersey sales, Jeter's still number 1.   

    The voluminous amount of columns and blog posts celebrating Jeter's 3,000th hit also demonstrates his popularity (I certainly don't remember as many for Craig Biggio).  It also brought out the best Purpose Prose I've seen since RJ Vasilak.  Here are two descriptions of the 3,000th hit - one from Joe Posnanski, and one from the ESPN NY article.  I'll let you guess which one is which.

At exactly 2 p.m., with Jeter expecting fastball, with the crowd in high pitch, with reporters in the press box trying to get every detail scribbled down, David Price threw a 78 mph curveball that hung over home plate the way the sun hangs over Key West. And Derek Jeter did the last thing anybody expected — anybody including himself. He turned on it. He crushed it. As Jeter broke out of the box, he did not know if it would clear the fence. But he did know that nobody was going to catch it. The ball went over the fence.

The ball was in the air, disappearing into the kind of white clouds Norman Rockwell loved to paint, and Derek Jeter watched it the way a child watches a runaway balloon floating across a midsummer sky. He was young again. We were all young again. After all those years of resisting temptation, of honoring the better angels of his nature, the captain of the New York Yankees had finally sold his soul to the devil.

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Fay has definitely hopped on the prospect train with abandon

He’s been proposing to trade Ramon and bring up Meso for months now.

I can’t say that I agree that failing to call up any more of that talent will keep them out of the playoffs, but it certainly seems dumb to keep it all in AAA for the rest of the year. At this point, Frazier, Alonso, END, and to a lesser extent Sappelt, are going to start losing trade value if they aren’t either called up or traded. The time is right now for a trade.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

This is really an unusual point of view, right?

I mean, when a team deals away veterans for prospects, you always hear talk about them running up the white flag. It’s got a different feel with this team. I feel like they need to trade away veterans – even good veterans that could help some other team – to open the door for what we hope will be better youngsters. Do we have a faulty perspective or is this truly an exceptional circumstance that we find ourselves in?

by badenjr on Jul 11, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with going "young" now ...

… this is the same team that broke camp with high expectations.
We knew we needed to fix SS and LF. So far, we seem to have at least gone “young” at SS. In LF, not so much, so that’s to discuss.

The other problems are pitching and the notion of bringing up the AAA players does nothing to address that problem anyhow. So we might be advocating some fixes, but the only position where we would even marginally get better is in LF, and that’s a crap shoot with Yonder over what’s out there now, defensively.

And hitting hasn’t been the team’s problem, as so many on RR are wont to point out.

IF the objective is to neuter the Bats, the callups would be effective.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

It absolutely is.

And I agree with you that going young could actually be an improvement, but from both a player and fan perspective, it almost certainly wouldn’t be seen that way, so it won’t happen as long as the team has a chance.

Also, now that Cozart is up, I’m not sure there is any prospect who could reasonably expected to perform better than someone currently on the team. Yonder would probably hit more than the other LFers, esp. Gomes and Lewis, but is his terrible defense worth it? I fully expect Ramon to regress, and Meso might be able to outplay him over the last 70 games, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it. The only way I like that is if the return for Ramon was a legit SP prospect. I’m not sure he can fetch that.

The one move I would make is to try and trade Cairo and have Frazier split time almost evenly with Rolen. I think that would improve the team, and you might get a C level prospect for Cairo. The only problem with that is the stupid second year on Cairo’s deal, which probably makes him untradeable right now.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cairo already has zero trade value, regardless of contract.

Old bench guys are a dime a dozen.

The only way to get rid of him would be cutting him, and he’s performing too adequately for them to do that.

Face it, we’re not gonna see any more young guys until September unless there are injuries or the wheels fall off entirely.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jul 11, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have faced that. This comment was all about possibilities

And I disagree that Cairo, if only signed through this year, would have zero value. There are a lot of teams with a lot worse players on their bench than Cairo. He can play a bunch of positions and is a very competent PH. He wouldn’t fetch anything truly valuable in return, but it would be a more respectful way to offload him.

Having said that, they aren’t trading him.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really want to trade him anyway.

As much as we don’t like to admit it, he has been a pretty good member of this team.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jul 11, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm pretty indifferent to him.

I just think Rolen needs a lot more rest than he’s getting, and Cairo isn’t really the guy to give it to him. It’s not worth trading for someone to play half the time, but Frazier could probably match or exceed Rolen’s total production pretty easily, and then you’d have an idea of what you had for next season.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

The big hang up is Rolen not being healthy enough to play everyday. The ideal situation would be to have Frazier playing 3B and Cairo as his backup.

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by BigBabyBruce on Jul 11, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the ideal situation would be for END to show he can play at the MLB level,

…and work the 3B position into a L/R platoon.

But I don’t think we’ll ever really give him a chance.

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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 11, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 11, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He runs like Ron Cey

I’m old. Get off my lawn.

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by supergrover on Jul 12, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cairo certainly will never the centerpiece of a trade

Down the stretch, he becomes very valuable to contending teams.
So, for that matter, will Frazier and Valaika, so deals involving those guys may not be out of the question.

Everybody wants utility in a pennant race. It’s been shown to work, and the Reds have guys like Mariano Duncan (1990) as an example of how.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, except I don't think Frazier and Valaika would have value as UT guys

1) neither has shown an ability to hit in the bigs
2) neither has shown an ability to do the UT thing (start once a week, PH occasionally in high leverage situations)

Those guys (mainly Frazier) might have some trade value, but as future starters, not as UT guys for this year on a contender.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see them as centerpiece players either.

I think Valaika has more value currently.
Just saying, teams are looking for cheap utility … those could be guys you could dangle in a package.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what I'm saying is, I doubt any team would want either of them to use as a utility guy right now

A contending team wants someone proven to do the utility thing. There’s a very real risk that if you trade for Valaika just to use as a UT guy this year that he hits and fields terribly.

Also, no way Valaika has more value. He doesn’t play very good defense and has never, ever hit as well as Frazier.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duncan was not a utility player

108 starts at second. 5 at short. 1 in the outfield.

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by supergrover on Jul 12, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Cairo has any trade value, either

Face it, anyone who wanted him could have had him over the past few years. He signed minor league deals (and usually got called up eventually and did well). He’s the same player he’s always been. No one believes he’s turned into a better hitter at age 37.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 11, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ Upton for Hernandez...

call up Mesoraco. Rays might do that…

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 11, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt they would. Who would replace Upton in CF then?

Also, I wouldn’t do that if I were Walt either. Upton is basically Drew Stubbs with less defense. Why do we need another one of those?

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't they have Jennings?

Duplicating Stubbs would be great – just move one to the corner.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 11, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stubbs/Upton's offense doesn't really play in a corner

At least not worth playing over Heisey/Lewis/Alonso/Frazier/Sappelt.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stubbs/Upton...

is better than all of those guys with Heisey the best of the bunch. It’s hard to upgrade a team with slightly above average players everywhere. Jocketty should go big.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 11, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slightly above average is good enough in a below-average division

But the slightly-above-average players need to play better.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upton is the very definition of average/slightly above average

He certainly doesn’t qualify as “going big”

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

considering his trends over the last 3 years and his escalating contract

I wouldn’t even call him an upgrade over Heisey.

I would consider a Heisey/Lewis platoon as a significant upgrade over the two of them with Gomes or just an Upton LF.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 11, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I lay me down to sleep

I pray the Lord the Cubs fire Hendry and hire leatherpants.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 11, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've actually grown to like Bowden the blogger

I don’t think anyone’s knocking down his door with GM job offers.

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by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Jul 11, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tweet from JohnnySmith28
Tension still high. There is a deal on the table with a West Coast team that could happen before the end of the AS break.

He sounds like he has inside info and was right before (kinda) about the Coz.

by vottomatic on Jul 11, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Half right about Cozart

He also predicted Renteria would be DFA’d

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jul 11, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Janish for Rosales would be sublime

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 11, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. He's combining Janish offense with Renteria defense.

But I can see why obc would want him.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

.721 ops last season, not too shabby

I’m glad NYC ain’t the gm!

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 11, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

.721 is pretty shabby.

For .721, I’ll take my chances with Cozart for the rest of the year. Not enough of an improvement over what we got.

by MatthewH on Jul 11, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if that wasn't a fluke, Cozart would still be in AAA.

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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 11, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ballpark effects not taken into consideration, of course

Gasp plays a tad better for hitters than Oakland.

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 11, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it is for Ryan Ludwick I'll throw up

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by btcoop71 on Jul 11, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

While we are throwing names out

Coz for Furcal seems like a Reds-Rolenesque type move. Is Furcal still hurt?
Everyone would hate it but then it would turn out to be successful.

by JPGs on Jul 11, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that I'd hate it.

I would be in the group who wants to see if Cozart has the talent to be a good everyday shortstop. I’d hate to believe that he is after he puts on Dodger blue.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

but they've got Gordon

why would they want Cozart?

They’d be after a 3B or 1B, definitely…so Alonso or Frazier.

I’d do a Frazier for Furcal swap in a second, provided that meant Dumperia got ditched.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 11, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they have Gordon

So let’s just play funzies on a deal that includes Cozart.

IF they could get Cozart for Furcal, they could trade Cozart for somebody who could play … oh, first base.

That is all that conversation includes.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? I think it's terrible.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find it very easy to fap to

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by jch24 on Jul 11, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

/everyavataronthissiteexceptforthatonegirlfrommiami'd

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by crolfer on Jul 11, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

seriously?

no other rec’s?

C’mon people, it’ll only be funny for another, what, 2 days?

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 11, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your mistake was assuming it was funny now :-)

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still, upgrading our SP is way more difficult than just plotting a trade

The best hope is to help our pitchers get better. That’s all I have been advocating. The pitchers are better than they have shown, and I can’t believe anything else.

Exactly HOW they get better is the key question. Do we really think that Volquez ought to be in AAA? He’s no ace but he’s not that bad. Neither is Wood.

So trading for somebody like Kershaw, even, or Hamels, which part of the farm do we deal?

And if the answer is we can’t really fix it, then … well, we’re screwed.

We had the same pitchers last year.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not clear on this reply ...

 I sure HOPE they get better in AAA.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

What, guessing the Cozart would be called up is insight?

Hell, after you looked at the batting averages, you could have guessed that!
So he needs more than one-for-automatic before he’s a guru.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He called the date right

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jul 11, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luck or insight?

Everybody was all around that date anyhow and we were predicting it every day up until the time it happened. I don’t know this guy so he may be a guru. Callups that are obvious isn’t the same as a trade with a ‘west coast team.’

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, really I don't know if he's legit or not

I’m just saying he did call the date right, FWIW.

He may end up not being anything more than some Regular Joe with no real insight whatsoever

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jul 11, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trade rumor stuff is all we have to work with during AS break.

We can make a “trade” last all day on these blogs.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

"tension still high"?

Does he mean in the Reds clubhouse, the front office, what?

(BTW, I always wonder what goes on in those team meetings. I mean, it’s not like anyone wants to lose. What can you say that makes a difference?)

Anyway, interesting tidbit. I wonder what they’re trading for. Starting pitching?

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by BubbaFan on Jul 11, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not convinced this guy is anyone we should listen to.

However, if a trade of any significance happens before the end of the week, I’ll be convinced.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, you can't believe everything you read on the Internets

But hey, it’s the ASB, and it’s something to talk about.

Last week, MLB Trade Rumors said the Giants were after Ramoan. Do they have anything we want?

(I know we have more catchers than we know what to do with, but man, I’d hate to CMM go. He’s been nails for us.)

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by BubbaFan on Jul 11, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to believe that discussions about CMM going to SF are genuine.

The Reds are clearly in a position to at least listen to an offer.
Just considering that part of the equation is enough for me right now.
Whoever we would get in return … hell, a “putnable” would not surprise me.
Somebody to be named later.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's hard to say what Monie would fetch.

But guys I would love to have would be Gary Brown or Zack Wheeler. Both top 10 guys for them, but not #1 guys. Also, both are young enough and far enough away that they aren’t quite as valuable because they aren’t sure things.

Another intriguing possibility would be Eric Surkamp. He’s a Moeller grad and would be happy to pitch in Cincy, I’d guess. He’s kind of a Travis Wood type (lefty without overpowering FB but a good CB and CH, and very good control)

He’s already reached AA and his K numbers are outstanding, but the lack of stuff means his ceiling is as a #3 starter. I have no idea if that would be too much to expect for Monie, but if I’m Walt, that’s the first name I mention.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously, why does lack of stuff give guys #3 ceilings

There are dominant soft tossers from time to time.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 11, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, though

Maddux and Glavine are the exception, not the rule. Traditionally, aces are flame throwers with at least one dominant, hard, secondary pitch. That’s why all the soft tossers project as #3’s.

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by Pops Daniels on Jul 11, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that nobody asked Dusty if he considered giving Coco a day off...

our writers are either a bunch of pussies or way to goddamn cozy.

Nothing succeeds like failure.

by Yossarian22 on Jul 11, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Dusty already snarled that it wasn't our business what they discussed in the clubhouse.

So the sign on the door may have been, “ask about the rain but don’t ask if we intend to stand out in it.”

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right

And if they did you’d be bitching about his response.

And don’t we already know the answer – it’s because he’s the closer and Dusty’ll stick with him come hell or high water

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jul 11, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tweeted Fay immediately after the game ended and asked him to ask Dusty this exact question. Guess he ignored me.

Even if we can guess the answer, I want Dusty to have to explain himself. I honestly feel like him getting challenged on stuff in the past (Taveras, Heisey, etc) has actually affected his behavior.

Even if it doesn’t and he continues to run CoCo out in every single save situation, he should have to explain himself for a move that every human being watching that game thought was dumb.

Please excuse my avatar. I lost a bet, and jch24 is a jerk.

by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like Fay tries to avoid asking questions to Dusty that will piss him off.

Dusty sometimes seems to be on a short handle with teh Fay.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jul 11, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he has to, he is not in a position of high leverage.

If Dusty wants to stop talking to him, he can. And while that would piss everyone off, Fya doesn’t have a lot he can do about it. Kind of a crappy thing to have hanging over your head, especially since the Reds have benefited from a lot of public funding so should have some sort of public accountability.

by Cuetotally Amazing on Jul 11, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is why I still can't believe he did not pitch the ninth.

If Dusty wants to ruin Coco then just cut off his arm and let Masset pitch.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jul 11, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

"none of your business"

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 11, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part of the Jeter hysteria

… also has to stem from the fact that he’s unbelievably the first Yankee in the 3,000 hit club. As probably the greatest franchise in baseball history, it is incredible that he is the first Yankee to do it.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 11, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Most entertaining.

O’Connor is quite typical of the ESPN Yankee worship. I wonder if Susan Waldheim had a quiver.

Magary didn’t comment on O’Connor’s other pointless insertion:

Somewhere in Vegas, Pete Rose was nervous. In the Bronx, Jeter was partying like it was 1999. “My mentality is still that I’m young,” the shortstop said.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Rec’d
Rec’d
Rec’d

"Look at me, Rex Banner. I have a new hat."

by Ram27 on Jul 11, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wish i could post this in a table format so i could split it into two columns ...sorry

… if anyone has a better way, i’m all ears

11 Crolfer
9 Joshuar9476
6 Ritalin
5 Vottomatic
5 TheC
4 DTFH91
4 MatthewH
4 Ram27
4 kcgard2
4 RoastBeefKazenzakis
4 pack_fan
3 Don
3 jch24
3 Yossarian22
3 Ewok / obc2
3 ManBearPig
3 chesirecat
3 DocRam
3 Coviner
2 Wishfuldrifter
2 Grahamophone
2 Badenjr
2 Madville
2 OkieChase
2 Heeringa
2 Sexsalad
2 the finest muffins
2 KSE
2 BiggerRedMachines
2 mdccclxix
1 JSL413
1 Charlie Scrabbles
1 3 Fast 3 Furious
1 than
1 ThePensive
1 sociopath
1 BigStein
1 Jack Armstrong
1 btcoop71
1 KD1
1 Kevin Mitchell

mdccclxix nailed the score yesterday for two points

i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 11, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Crolfer is a cheatin.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jul 11, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Crolfer is a cretin

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 11, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Crolfer is beatin' (the rest of you)

Please excuse my avatar. I lost a bet, and jch24 is a jerk.

by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think crolfer is treating (you all to a nice helping of whup-ass)

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 11, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You used a g.

You lose.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jul 11, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think crolfer is heatin' (from that sick burn)

"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24

by GrooveLeg on Jul 11, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used a g because i am one. Duh.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 11, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What determines the order of the ties?

"Look at me, Rex Banner. I have a new hat."

by Ram27 on Jul 11, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

currently nothing ....

… except that the person who goes up just gets put at the bottom of that list.

i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 11, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could paragraph it.

All the guys in a graph with the same number would be easy enough.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please strike mine from the record.

"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"

by mdccclxix on Jul 11, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

may i ask why?

i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 11, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was an ugly ugly way to win

"The Reds have started 2011 the way they ended 2010!"

by mdccclxix on Jul 11, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's probably 10 of crolfer's 11 points

i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 11, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Round of applause for D Train

It was great watching him baffle good hitters again. Good command of his breaking pitches. Thought he’d have a little more velocity on the fastball but no matter—it was a good start in the right direction and the team needed this from him.

Too bad Coco ruined it.

"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24

by GrooveLeg on Jul 11, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

just planted grass them mowed so i can use the clippings as fertilizer

i’ve never sweat so much in my life … combined

i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 11, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

You probably wasted that grass seed, dude

That grass will burn right the hell up in this weather.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 11, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Jul 11, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better to do it early in the morning.

If you do it at night, it becomes a nice haven for bacteria and fungi.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 11, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess the Camelot reference failed.

I seeded in late March and got nice grass.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The plot to one of your stories?

Please excuse my avatar. I lost a bet, and jch24 is a jerk.

by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

My latest story, btw, is going viral soon, I hope.

The publisher is working with it. No, I don’t get lucky to go paperback, probably won’t … so I am going with an established e-house.
It’s a werewolf story, not much porn in it at all, sorry.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never aspired to be a great author.

I have about 10 novels, all of them good-to-decent and my agent retired … so fuck it. It’s too much hassle. I just hope somebody reads the crap and gets a laugh or two out of it.

I am/was a pretty good writer but not lately. My mind has gotten “too old” for my characters. I tend to want them to sit around now and supervise. It’s not the life of a porn writer.

So I go mainstream and they are still sitting around.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

just take into account that people are dumber and into dirtier/weirder stuff.

when you used to write: In a fit of passion, Gregory tore open Anna’s blouse exposing her firm, round breasts. “Don’t be nervous,” Gregory warmly consoled as he caressed Anna’s trembling jawline with the backs of his fingertips. “I’ll be gentle.”

you now write: Greg was hornier than that time you went to summer camp and couldn’t beat it for three weeks so he ripped Anna’s clothes off and said “I’m gonna tear that ass up.”

"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24

by GrooveLeg on Jul 11, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

The old romance-turned-sizzler.

All the women who “beta” read my stuff told me that my original fuck-em-all approach was too clinical.

So I decided to just leave it out.

Now they all say they want some “titty kissing” … or a little more than fade-to-black.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha "titty kissing"

"I slyde my boehner into sexsalad...."
Sounds like a johnu1 production. --jch24

by GrooveLeg on Jul 11, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did start a thread on FanPosts ...

… jokingly about “porn” but really more about just writing in general.

Now I see it’s been deleted.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just play the piano, don't write the song.

I have been deleted a lot of times in my life, so once more on a baseball forum isn’t going to matter.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The title probably didn't doom it.

Maybe it did. Nothing in any of the comments was even about “porn” beyond a joke about Hitler and Mengele.

But maybe RR is under some surveillance because of the boobie pix.

If so, I am a victim of my own lack of insight.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not like you had any of this in it

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Jul 11, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or even this ...

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

IS that real?

Please tell me that is real.

"Look at me, Rex Banner. I have a new hat."

by Ram27 on Jul 11, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you a hint

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 11, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you know now ...

What kind of fun we will have, boys and girls

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apologies

I haven’t seen it yet, unfortunately.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 11, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

IME, even watering it a ton didn't help

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Jul 11, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 11, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

just be sure to leave that mower running

just in case Slyde was attempting to do something important.

No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 11, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hey!

The Reds haven’t lost by 1 run yet today!

No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 11, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

give it time.

Please excuse my avatar. I lost a bet, and jch24 is a jerk.

by nycredsfan on Jul 11, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah, and for one last salt-in-the-wounds comment before the break:

Once again, the Reds outscored their opponents in a series (this time, a 4 game series), yet managed to lose 3 and win 1.

Pythagoras can suck it.

No problem, fuckweasel! - jch24

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 11, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew we would outscore the series

and I’m kind of glad we did. It’s the one constant I can rely on with this team

by Red_Poodle on Jul 11, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Don't get down on my ass. I just invented the hypotenuse ...

… It’s up to the hitter to get the bunt down."

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

 he made a number of clear mistakes this series with yesterday’s use of Cordero being by far the worst

by Red_Poodle on Jul 11, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess every dugout has its own protocol

But would Dusty have asked his coaches for their input?

I know the dead horse photo is about to appear again but this stuff isn’t being done on the side of a Wheaties box, I hope.

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, what he did with Coco in this series was a huge mistake

I also hate those ill-advised hit and runs. If you end up losing by one run…yeah, it matters.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 11, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate hit and runs as a rule.

It’s putting a huge amount of undue pressure on both the batter and the runner for very little reward. It’s empty busywork.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jul 11, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate them, too

But I especially hate the situation Dusty’s called them in. Stubbs is fast enough to steal on his own. And guys who can’t make contact shouldn’t be asked to hit in a hit and run.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 11, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

if bruce were in the HR derby he'd probably lose in extras by 1 HR ...

… and i’d feel obligated to sit through that carp

i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 11, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find that "Cincinnati Gurls" song much more endearing than I should.

And is anyone else surprised that Timberlake is still universally likable? He was the lead singer of N’Sync for Christ’s sake! He had an album called “Justified”! and STILL everybody likes him, me included. It’s amazing.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Jul 11, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

It's hard to hate Timberlake

Brittney Spears on the other hand…

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jul 11, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's give him a lot of political power

"OVERCHARGE, v. To ask a higher price than you can get." -Ambrose Bierce

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 11, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude is a pimp ... mad props to him

pretty damn funny too

i have a witty signature thought up, i just haven't posted it yet.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 11, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The funny I don't see at all

I wanted to ask all those people at the ESPYs what they were laughing at.

by ken on Jul 11, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have never had a reason to like Justin Timberlake.

I think his music is lame, contrived, profit-pop. I don’t care that he’s “a good dancer,” because I’ve never seen him do anything I couldn’t with a week’s practice. He reasonably played himself in a role that was nearly-impossible to screw up. He’s got a goofy little white-boy fro. He was in a boy band…that made no lasting songs.

I got nothin’ against the guy, except that they overplayed his commercial during Reds broadcasts.

"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 11, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Petey, it's pretty

Strikeouts don't hurt the team.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dave Grohl says he'll get to Cincinnati

"Look at me, Rex Banner. I have a new hat."

by Ram27 on Jul 11, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Seeing as how this is a sports blog I am posting a pic of my fav Indy driver.

"A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer." - Robert Frost

by Madville on Jul 11, 2011 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

suyt.

And you’re right, he can be a real jerkass. We have a lot of them around here, but usually, they know they’re jerkasses. Johnu seems honestly surprised that people think he’s a jerkass.

by johnu1 on Jul 11, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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